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BoogyMan
04-03-2007, 03:59 AM
What an excellent way to spur innovation in the automotive industry.


Source: Link (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/04/02/auto-prize.html?ref=rss)

The X Prize Foundation, which spurred innovation by offering $10 million US for the first privately built spacecraft, plans to offer millions for the first practical car that increases mileage five-fold.

The California-based non-profit organization, whose mission is to encourage radical scientific and technological innovations that benefit humanity, released draft guidelines for the Automotive X Prize on Monday.

The contest will require vehicles to meet tough emission requirements and get 100 miles per U.S. gallon (about 42 kilometres a litre). The current average fuel economy of U.S. vehicles is about 20 miles per gallon (nine km/l).

The competition is intended "to inspire a new generation of viable, super-efficient vehicles that help break our addiction to oil and stem the effects of climate change," the foundation said on its website.

"We invite the world's best and brightest minds to look at this independent, high-profile competition as a way to make a difference for generations to come," Mark Goodstein, the executive director of the Automotive X Prize, said in a news release.

The foundation said it envisions a multi-year competition with a multimillion-dollar cash purse. The New York Times reported the prize would be more than $10 million US, with races in 2009 to test the mileage claims.

The guidelines specify that the car must be appealing to buyers and easy to mass produce — warning that concept cars or "science projects" won't qualify.

The vehicles will compete in real-world driving tests, in two categories — mainstream (four or more passengers and four wheels) and alternative (two or more passengers and no requirement on the number of wheels).

The foundation said it created the Automotive X Prize because its members felt consumers needed a greener option, because current oil consumption is not sustainable, because 65 per cent of U.S. consumption is in the transportation sector and because vehicle emissions contribute to climate change.

It said the automotive industry was stalled, with many factors combining to block the technological breakthroughs needed.

As well, the foundation said the industry had become more fuel-efficient — but offset the gains by making larger or more powerful cars.

"We are at a pivotal moment in time when promising new technologies, growing consumer demand, and global politics make it ripe for a radical breakthrough in the cars we drive," Peter Diamandis, the founder and chairman of the foundation, said in the news release.

The Times reported Monday that more than 1,000 potential contestants had contacted the foundation, even before the request for comments on the draft guidelines was published.

The Automotive X Prize's target of 42 kilometres a litre is about three times the rebate level for efficient cars that Ottawa set in the March federal budget.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his Conservative government offered rebates for the purchase of new cars that use fewer than 6.5 litres of gasoline for every 100 kilometres driven (just over 15 kilometres a litre) and minivans or SUVs that consume fewer than 8.3 litres for 100 kilometres (12 kilometres a litre).

X Prize Foundation is best-known for the Ansari X Prize (named after sponsors Amir and Anousheh Ansari), a 2004 competition to, using entirely private money, build and fly a reusable space vehicle.

The winner, SpaceShipOne, had to be able to carry three people 100 kilometres away from earth and back twice in a two-week period. About two dozen teams from seven countries competed for the $10 million US prize.

deepk
04-17-2007, 05:17 PM
Just producing fuel effecient cars for increasing the road taxes (http://friction.tv/index.php?vid=231)or pricing of the roads (http://friction.tv/index.php?vid=150)is not going to solve the problems of pollution. Rich people who can afford big and costly vehicles are least bothered to reduce pollution by chaning thier cars and small increments to taxes and toll is not going to bother them at all.

bobbylien
04-18-2007, 04:04 PM
I'm not sure if I understand what you said completely deepk but I have a response...
While new technologies for vehicles won't be immediately distributed to everyone right away, mass producing these vehicles will eventually allow them to trickle down and the poor will eventually have them. The goal isn't to solve the pollution problem with just one car, its to change the way all cars are made so that all future cars will be more fuel efficient.

deepk
04-21-2007, 12:43 PM
I agree with your reply which would be true only in the long run and if enforced by the government. What I had meant to say was in the current senario when such hybrid fuel effecint cars are prohibitively expensive and there is no govt. mandate to mass produce them.

BoogyMan
04-22-2007, 01:19 AM
I am sure we will see much more commentary about alternate fuels and more efficient automobiles as we get further into the summer months and see the price of gasoline climbing towards $3.00 per gallon.

We have to start somewhere deepk, and as Bobby said, mass production of such automobiles will begin a trickle down type of effect over several years.

Sugar
04-22-2007, 06:58 AM
Some companies have already started producing hybrid fuel cell cars which would go a long way in reducing dependency on fossil fuels. But still the probhitive cost of such cars is the stumbling block for most users. I agree with deepk that the Govt has to force the technology down the throats of the manufacturers and force them to reduce prices to bring the vehicles withing the common reach.

bluchap
04-24-2007, 03:45 PM
Well I beg to differ, hybrid cars are not going to solve the problem. Cars must be made super fuel effecient in terms of fossil fuels and not other alternative fuels. Hybrid cars need elctricity to charge batteries. Now electrcity itself is not a pollution free product. Neither are batteries. disposing used batteries is a major headache for every nation. Mass production of such card is going to load another burden of disposal of such waste on the govt. Now decide make existing cars more fuel effecient or produce hybrid crads inviting more problems.

BoogyMan
04-24-2007, 04:41 PM
Yet we have to start somewhere bluchap. This is a step in the right direction.

Buck Laser
04-24-2007, 06:00 PM
Well I beg to differ, hybrid cars are not going to solve the problem. Cars must be made super fuel effecient in terms of fossil fuels and not other alternative fuels. Hybrid cars need elctricity to charge batteries. Now electrcity itself is not a pollution free product. Neither are batteries. disposing used batteries is a major headache for every nation. Mass production of such card is going to load another burden of disposal of such waste on the govt. Now decide make existing cars more fuel effecient or produce hybrid crads inviting more problems.


What you may not realize is that all hybrids charge their batteries from the IC engine. But the added torque the electric motor provides is significant. I've owned a Honda Civic hybrid for nearly three years now. By the way, the batteries in the Civic carry a full 100K warranty and apportioned after that.

No one suggests that hybrids are an ultimate answer, but they're relatively cheap and readily available. And at 23,000 miles, my average MPG is 41.6.

nmspl
04-28-2007, 01:30 PM
How much extra did you pay to the hybrid Civic over the normal Civic and what is the replacement cost of the batteries after 100k. Is this extra amount enough to cover the savings you made in fuel cost over the 100k life cycle of the batteries.

Even if you have not any savings in monetray terms, I am happy you have reduced the pollution from your vehicle for the 100k of travel by reducing the consumption of fossil fuel.

Thank you for your contribution towards the human society.

Buck Laser
04-28-2007, 10:53 PM
Since I didn't price conventionally engined Civics, I'm not exactly sure, but I think it was on the order of $1,000. My primary concern wasn't out-the-door price, but long-term. Add to that the fact that I am fascinated with new technologies, and have always been an early adapter if not a pioneer.

I've found that there are a lot of myths out there about hybrids--that they have to plugged in, that the engine may start itself anytime, even with the key removed, that the batteries are dangerous in a collision, etc., but I suspect all those are spread by car salesman who don't have hybrids to sell.

I don't promote hybrids as curealls, but simply as a good alternative for many people who don't need the heavy-duty capacity of an SUV. But in fact, I think a hybrid would be good in an urban delivery vehicle like a UPS truck, because the electric motor provides terrific low speed torque, just what you need for stop-and-go work.

deepk
04-30-2007, 05:02 PM
Some companies have already started producing hybrid fuel cell cars which would go a long way in reducing dependency on fossil fuels. But still the probhitive cost of such cars is the stumbling block for most users. I agree with deepk that the Govt has to force the technology down the throats of the manufacturers and force them to reduce prices to bring the vehicles withing the common reach.


The ultimately technology would be fuel-cell cars running on hydrogen power instead of conventional gasoline/diesel. When we have the technology commercially available then only we will have the best of the fuel effecient cars.

Sugar
05-01-2007, 03:03 PM
Many a companies have already started work on fuel cell cars. Its the economis of price which needs to be worked out and currently the fuel cell technology is pretty expensive.

bluchap
05-03-2007, 04:43 PM
hybrids are the precusers to fuel cells and we need to use their full potential before swithching over to fuel cells.

Buck Laser
05-03-2007, 08:29 PM
hybrids are the precusers to fuel cells and we need to use their full potential before swithching over to fuel cells.


They're precursors only in the sense that they represent a bit of a change from a car with only an internal combustion engine for power. The electric motor and its batteries don't represent any essentially new technology: at best, it's a new application of existing technology. There may be a fuel-cell vehicle out there somewhere, but I don't know of it.

deepk
05-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Scientist are workingon fuelcells to reduce their size with sacrificing their power as the current generation of fuel cells are just too big in size.

Buck Laser
05-20-2007, 06:05 PM
Scientist are workingon fuelcells to reduce their size with sacrificing their power as the current generation of fuel cells are just too big in size.


But to ask again--is there an actual fuel-cell car out there, running now?