Bush's Forest Plan Illegal

[piratemonkey]

Bush broke the law when he changed the rules unilaterally.

What else is new?

A federal district judge ruled Friday that the Bush administration illegally rewrote rules for managing 192 million acres of federally owned forests and grasslands in 2005 and must consider the environmental impact of its plan before offering another policy blueprint.

That's ok, 'cuz it's only three laws he broke.

The judge ordered the Forest Service to suspend its 2005 rule and subject it to a new round of analysis, taking into account environmental protections and public-participation requirements in the National Environmental Policy Act, the Endangered Species Act and the Administrative Procedures Act.

Bush thinks the paycheck of the CEO of Pacific Lumber Inc. is as important as the permanent extinction of species.

The new rule — which gave economic activities as high a priority as maintaining the forest's ecological health — made it easier to conduct drilling and logging in national forests while weakening protections for native fish and wildlife.

[Stoner]

Bush broke the law

If he really broke the law he will be prosecuted.

Good to go?

[piratemonkey]

Bush broke the law

If he really broke the law he will be prosecuted.

Good to go?


:D

Explain to us how a judge saying, "the Bush administration illegally rewrote rules" means that Bush was staying within the law...

:D

Are you trying to tell us the Alberto Gonzales is going to prosecute Bush?!?

:rolleyes:

[piratemonkey]

forgot the link to the article...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003644616_forest31.html

Of course, in explaining their illegal activities, the Bush Administration lies:
Forest Service spokeswoman Allison Stewart said the agency has not decided whether to appeal the decision. She noted that "presented with similar circumstances" in unrelated cases, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and a U.S. District Court in Alabama recently ruled that the administration had met its obligations under the Endangered Species Act and Environmental Policy Act, respectively.

But Tim Preso of Earthjustice, one of the attorneys who filed the lawsuit decided Friday, said the 10th Circuit and Alabama decisions involved different rules in specific forests, not policies governing the nation's entire 192 million-acre forest system.

[Stoner]

Don't worry, Monkey, if anything in the Bush admin has been done illegally they will be prosecuted.

[piratemonkey]

:D
Don't worry, Monkey, if anything in the Bush admin has been done illegally they will be prosecuted.


:D:D:D

Thank-you, Stoner.

I'm not sure which made me laugh harder, the
if anything in the Bush admin has been done illegally
part, or the
they will be prosecuted
part.

:D

[Cobra]

Hmmmm, well he'll just have to re-write it. Not a huge deal on it's own but the buildup of things similar to this does make Bush look unconcerned with other points of view/the law.

[Stoner]

It's not humorous. It's the law of the lands. No one is immune from laws...even the POTUS.

Look at Buuba, our first black POTUS. He broke the law. It's proven and documented.

All you have is conspiracy theories.

When Bush is impeached talk to me. Until then I'm going to go grab another brew and empty my buttcan.

See if you can link Bush to the Kennedy assassination while I'm away.

[piratemonkey]

See if you can link Bush to the Kennedy assassination while I'm away.



I love Stoner's arguments.

A Federal judge states that Bush illegally circumvented the law...

and in Stoner's mind that's somehow a conspiracy theory.

:D

[firefox]

He must be high right now just ignore it! ;)

Seriously, though- this problem would be solved if the land was sold to one or more reputable environmental groups. They would have an incentive to protect and manage the ecosystems there, and would not be so susceptible to political and special interest pressures and bribes.

[Drocket]

No one is immune from laws...even the POTUS.
You may be interested to know that the POTUS IS immune to the law, at least as long as he's in office. The only recourse when the POTUS breaks a law, as long as he's in office, is to impeach him. Of course, after the president leaves office, he can be tried. As long as he's in office, though, he can spend his days shooting little old ladies in the back and there's not a thing a police officer or prosecutor can do.

So, I'm sure you're eagerly awaiting the impeachment of the president so we can get to the bottom of the matter, right?

Look at Buuba, our first black POTUS.
How mature.

He broke the law. It's proven and documented.
Actually, it's not. His impeachment trial ended with a verdict of 'not guilty'. No prosecutor in the country would touch the case after he left office because of the fact that Congress had already very thoroughly established that no crime had been committed.

[lily]

Pirate.........are you sure this isn't just another one of his famous signing statements?

[Oedipus Rex]

Actually, it's not. His impeachment trial ended with a verdict of 'not guilty'. No prosecutor in the country would touch the case after he left office because of the fact that Congress had already very thoroughly established that no crime had been committed.


http://www.vote.com/vote/15025997/objective15025999.phtml?cat=4075633

Clinton's deceitful actions violated standards of professional ethics


We've all seen the video of Bill Clinton's deposition. He argued over the meaning of the word "is," claimed he hadn't had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, and engaged in grammatical gymnastics to lie without getting caught.

But the president's skill with words didn't put him above the law. Clinton stepped so far outside the bounds of professional ethics that a judge he himself had appointed held him in contempt, saying he'd lied under oath and conspired to obstruct justice.

The facts are simple. A lawyer committed perjury and obstruction of justice. He denied a woman her right to a fair hearing on the serious allegations he exposed his penis and demanded she "kiss it." Forget that this man is the President of the United States and ask yourself this: After committing such offenses, should William Jefferson Clinton the attorney be allowed to continue practicing law?

Last year, Clinton became the only elected president ever impeached. In May 2000, the Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct said the president should be disbarred for his "serious misconduct."

In 1998, in withholding a law license from a lawyer who committed fraud, the Arkansas State Supreme Court said, "There is simply no place in the law for a man or woman who will not tell the truth even when his interest is involved."

As stated in one of the complaints filed in the Clinton matter, "[The president's] conduct brings great discredit and great disgrace to the Arkansas legal profession. His status as a member of our Bar is an intolerable affront to the rule of law."

William Jefferson Clinton, attorney at law, may well have been innocent of sexual harassment, and the charges by Ken Starr and Paula Jones may have been politically motivated. But even if all that were true, it didn't give him the right to lie when he had sworn "to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." Nor did it give him the right to tamper with witnesses and obstruct justice.

Mr. Clinton's actions - no matter how justified he felt they were - play into the worst stereotypes about lawyers being dishonest and self-serving. His license should be revoked to prove to the American people that law is a noble, honest profession.

[Buck Laser]

I thought the topic of this thread was the Bush administration's plans for US forests. Why is Oedipus talking about Bill Clinton?

By the way, with every passing day of Shrub's malfeasance, Bill looks better and better, doesn't he?

[TheStripey1]

I thought the topic of this thread was the Bush administration's plans for US forests. Why is Oedipus talking about Bill Clinton?

By the way, with every passing day of Shrub's malfeasance, Bill looks better and better, doesn't he?


it's the olde bait and switch, buck... cuz righties know they have a chance of winning if the topic is about bill clinton, and anything about bush is too hard to justify now, especially since they've awakened the sleeping giant and they're paying attention...

waves to the lurkers... nice to have y'all on board...

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/teufel/devil-smiley-009.gif

[Stoner]

it's the olde bait and switch

You mean like in the thread about the Do-Nothing-Congress and their disgusting display of toying with the soldier's money where you responded by diverting the thread and brought up a previous Congress?

Yes, the ole B&S is a very common tactic with libs.

[potter]

Are you trying to tell us the Alberto Gonzales is going to prosecute Bush?!?

:rolleyes:


That's why you surround yourself with loyal buddies, so you can break the law and get away with it. ;)

[Sugar]

You can take Bush to task only if proven guilty in the court of law. Just a stricture by one judge is not going to pin Bush for such a grave distarous move. Until the court strikes down the so called illegal law noting much will happen.

[bluchap]

Have the Support, Break the Law, and go scot free. Might is right in the current world political scene.

[nmspl]

Crimianls must be prosecuted and all persons who destroy the greenery of the earth are criminal for the entire human race. They are guilty to taking the world to such a phase that may see the end of the human race due to deforestation.

Deforestations has already made fertile land streches into barren wastelants and deserts.

[deepk]

The root cause of global warming is de-forestation. Bush must be punished with an order to plant a billion trees in the next 2 years or suffer his entire life behind bars. That would be a fair and just sentence for such a crime.

[potter]

The root cause of global warming is de-forestation. Bush must be punished with an order to plant a billion trees in the next 2 years or suffer his entireÂ*Â*life behind bars. That would be a fair and just sentence for such a crime.



I was under the impression that deforestation in the Amazon was having more of an impact than anything else. How is Bush connected to this?

[Sugar]

The root cause of global warming is de-forestation. Bush must be punished with an order to plant a billion trees in the next 2 years or suffer his entireÂ*Â*life behind bars. That would be a fair and just sentence for such a crime.



I was under the impression that deforestation in the Amazon was having more of an impact than anything else. How is Bush connected to this?



The solution to the illegal forest plan is to forece bush grow more trees. It will simply help the whole of humanity.

[potter]

The root cause of global warming is de-forestation. Bush must be punished with an order to plant a billion trees in the next 2 years or suffer his entireÂ*Â*life behind bars. That would be a fair and just sentence for such a crime.



I was under the impression that deforestation in the Amazon was having more of an impact than anything else. How is Bush connected to this?



The solution to the illegal forest plan is to forece bush grow more trees. It will simply help the whole of humanity.


Bush is a hard head. Unless it benefits him directly he's not likely to do it. Probably a better approach would be to get everyone to plant one tree.

[micfranklin]

A federal district judge ruled Friday that the Bush administration illegally rewrote rules for managing 192 million acres of federally owned forests and grasslands in 2005 and must consider the environmental impact of its plan before offering another policy blueprint.

Apparently, this man thinks he can rewrite anything and everything simply because he is president. Thank God this is his last term in office.

[bluchap]

The disease of thinking oneself to be God very ofter occurs in places of high power. People tend to forget that the chair is not for ever and it will go one day.

[tomanyhumans]

I can't wait till the human race goes extinct

[deepk]

wait for your turn!!!!!!!!!!!! you are in the queue!!!!!!!!!!! for going extinct....