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lily
03-21-2007, 11:12 PM
I'm telling you, things are rough here in Motown......so where does Bush go to discuss failing auto plants? Kansas. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070319/ts_nm/usa_subprime_detroit_dc)

Houses cheaper than cars in Detroit
By Kevin Krolicki Mon Mar 19, 11:48 AM ET

DETROIT (Reuters) - With bidding stalled on some of the least desirable
residences in Detroit's collapsing housing market, even the fast-talking
auctioneer was feeling the stress.



"Folks, the ground underneath the house goes with it. You do know that,
right?" he offered.

After selling house after house in the Motor City for less than the $29,000
it costs to buy the average new car, the auctioneer tried a new line: "The
lumber in the house is worth more than that!"

As Detroit reels from job losses in the U.S. auto industry, the depressed
city has emerged as a boomtown in one area: foreclosed property.

It also stands as a case study in the economic pain from a housing bust as
analysts consider whether a developing crisis in mortgages to high-risk
borrowers will trigger a slowdown in the broader U.S. economy.

The rising cost of mortgage financing for Detroit borrowers with weak credit
has added to the downdraft from a slumping local economy to send home values
plunging faster than many investors anticipated a few months ago.

At a weekend sale of about 300 Detroit-area houses by Texas-based auction
firm Hudson & Marshall, the mood was marked more by fear than greed.

"These people are investors and they know the difficulty of finding
financing. They know the difficulty of finding good tenants. They're
cautious," said realtor Stanley Wegrzynowicz, who attended the auction.

HOW LOW IS LOW?

The city, which has lost more than half its population in the past 30 years
and struggled with rising crime, failing schools and other social problems,
largely missed out on the housing boom that swept much of the country in
recent years.

Prices have gained less than 2 percent per year in the five years since
2001, when the auto industry entered a renewed slump.

Steve Izairi, 32, who re-financed his own house in suburban Dearborn and
sold his restaurant to begin buying rental properties in Detroit two years,
was concerned that houses he thought were bargains at $70,000 two years ago
were now selling for just $35,000.

At least 16 Detroit houses up for sale on Sunday sold for $30,000 or less.

A boarded-up bungalow on the city's west side brought $1,300. A four-bedroom
house near the original Motown recording studio sold for $7,000.

"You can't buy a used car for that," said Izairi. "It's a gamble, and you
have to wonder how low it's going to get."

Detroit, where unemployment runs near 14 percent and a third of the
population lives in poverty, leads the nation in new foreclosure filings,
according to tracking service RealtyTrac.

With large swaths of the city now abandoned, banks are reclaiming and
reselling Detroit homes from buyers who can no longer afford payments at
seven times the national rate.

Michigan was the only state to see home prices fall in 2006. The national
average price rose almost 6 percent but prices slipped 0.4 percent here,
according to a federal study.

The state's jobless rate of 7.1 percent in January was also the second
highest in the nation, behind only Mississippi.

HOW MUCH CAN YOU BUY FOR $1 MILLION?

Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was greeted with applause when he announced last week
that two condominiums in the city's revitalizing downtown sold for over $1
million each.

But investors, including some from out of state, proved far more cautious at
Sunday's auction.

In the most spirited bidding of the day, a sprawling, four-bedroom mansion
from Detroit's boom days with an ornate stone entrance fetched just
$135,000.

Dave Webb, principal at Hudson & Marshall, said Michigan had become a "heavy
volume" market for his auction firm in recent years, although bigger-money
deals were waiting in California, a market he said was ready for the first
such auctions of repossessed property in years.

"These people that are buying have got to look at holding on for five to
seven years," he said. "The key is holding power."

Even with the steep discounts on Detroit-area properties, some buyers handed
over their deposits with a wince.

"I'm not sure it's congratulations," said Kirk Neal, a 55-year-old auto body
shop worker who bought a ranch in the suburb of Oak Park for $34,000. "My
wife is going to kill me."

Realtor Ron Walraven had a three-bedroom house in the suburb of Bloomfield
Hills that had listed for $525,000 sell for just $130,000 at the auction.

"Once we've seen the last person leave Michigan, then I think we'll be able
to say we've seen the bottom," he said.

potter
03-22-2007, 04:56 PM
"Once we've seen the last person leave Michigan, then I think we'll be able
to say we've seen the bottom," he said.
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That's pretty sad Lily. I'd love to get in on a nice stone bungalo at a low price.

Take heart thought, they were saying this about Kansas in the 70's and we're all still here doing just fine.

Buy America!

lily
03-23-2007, 01:57 AM
We've been through it before, potter but it was never this bad. Every thing and I do mean every thing is connected to the Big Three here. I feel sorry for those that are trying to raise families, but as I said we lived through it and learned.

Should put this in a PM, but........my son the genius!:D :D gets "loand out" to companies. He's got a 6 month contract with Chrysler. When he was younger I remeber driving by their headquarters and his saying someday he's going to work there. His first day was one of another day of big layoffs and he felt funny being there, not as unionized Chrysler worker as his father was, but as a contracted employee.

They had him scheduled to go to Germany in March and May. They cancelled the March trip, because the Chrysler part of Daimler Chrysler may be bought out by the Chinese.

As I said, hard times in the Motor City.

firefox
03-23-2007, 07:53 AM
Damn, if this is true, there really IS a huge glut in the housing market. Way to go Fed and overzealous speculation! Woo! BTW, Lily, please don't take this too personally, but is this death of heavy industry in your area a real problem, or mostly an unfounded emotional issue? We all have had this problem (even me), so don't read this as a personal attack or anything.

lily
03-26-2007, 02:33 AM
BTW, Lily, please don't take this too personally, but is this death of heavy industry in your area a real problem, or mostly an unfounded emotional issue? We all have had this problem (even me), so don't read this as a personal attack or anything.


Firefox, it is a real problem. Like I said we've been through this before, but nothing like it is now. The price of realestate should show you just a small example.

firefox
03-27-2007, 03:11 AM
I know a guy in your general area who has been trying to sell his house for a while now with poor luck. The same is happening here in WA and in FL as well, however. So for better or worse, at least you can rest assured that your area isn't the only one facing these changes.

potter
03-27-2007, 07:09 PM
The house across the street from mine has been empty for a long time. Some homeless folks broke in last december and lived there for awhile before trashing the inside. (Nobody even noticed. I just found out this week about it)

The house is hexed though. They should have burned it down. Six different couples have bought the house in the 24 years we've lived here, all ended up with nasty divorces within a year. The last gent who lived there, single with a girlfriend, started beating the hell out of her and her kid before he himself went mad.....

Labrocca
03-27-2007, 08:16 PM
Detroit is more of a unique case where the entire city does depend on the big 3. The trend to buy foreign cars is the real problem. You can blame consumers or the federal government but it's the base of the problem in Detroit. Foreign labor is just cheaper. I know a LOT of Americans that refuse to buy a POS American car from places like Detroit.

Also Detroit has been a city in decline for decades now. It has done little to nothing to reinvent itself.


The city, which has lost more than half its population in the past 30 years
and struggled with rising crime, failing schools and other social problems,
largely missed out on the housing boom that swept much of the country in
recent years.

Seems like a city run by idiots. 30 years is a LONG time to recover. NYC was crap for about 12 years and bankrupt at one point but a good mayor turned it all around. Maybe the people of Detroit need to elect better officials.

http://www.ci.detroit.mi.us/mayor/

Bullcrap...read that page.

And in 33 years there has only been 3 mayors. One was a mayor for 20 years!

firefox
03-28-2007, 03:00 AM
Dang! No wonder it was so messed up!

lily
03-28-2007, 03:14 AM
Detroit is more of a unique case where the entire city does depend on the big 3.

Yes it is.


The trend to buy foreign cars is the real problem. You can blame consumers or the federal government but it's the base of the problem in Detroit. Foreign labor is just cheaper. I know a LOT of Americans that refuse to buy a POS American car from places like Detroit.

I have to laugh at this.....you're paying the same price for an American car whether it's made in Mexico or Canada and one of the top bidders for Chrysler is China. Trust me, Labrocca not much of that car is made in America anymore. You might also want to know that there are mainly stamping plants in Detroit. The Big 3 don't have their offices there and the main plants are in the 'burbs", or on the border of Detroit. This is a state problem, not a city problem.

Also Detroit has been a city in decline for decades now. It has done little to nothing to reinvent itself.

Well......you have made that claim before and I showed you that you were wrong.



Seems like a city run by idiots. 30 years is a LONG time to recover. NYC was crap for about 12 years and bankrupt at one point but a good mayor turned it all around. Maybe the people of Detroit need to elect better officials.

Well, I won't argue with that.

http://www.ci.detroit.mi.us/mayor/

Bullcrap...read that page.

And in 33 years there has only been 3 mayors. One was a mayor for 20 years!

I won't even touch this one......I don't think you'd like my answer.

wonder cow
03-28-2007, 04:10 AM
3 large auto plants over the last 10-15 years have really improved things in Alabama. Honda, Hyundai, and Mercedes all have large plants in Alabama and Toyota has a plant that produces just motors.

I really feel that a large part of the downfall of the big three is due to their unwillingness or inability to do what it takes to compete with foreign vehicles.

Seriously, Toyotas and Hondas are better built. I have a 95 Honda Civic I drive back and forth to work. I change the oil every 3,000 miles and other than that the thing hums along.

I also have a 99 Dodge that goes in the shop once or twice a year for something or another.

Why didn't Ford or Chevy take the lead on Hybrids, for example? It seems like they are always playing catch up.

Lack of innovation, low quality, and the unrealistic expectation that Americans would buy American cars purely out of patriotism has doomed Ford and the others.