What do you think?

[lily]

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[ECW]

The Edwards Plan is my choice which is why he's my choice for president.

[Stoner]

The Edwards Plan is my choice which is why he's my choice for president.


He will do the worst out of the three. Get that box of Kleenex handy.

[Red Dragon]

I like Obamas plan the best, seems the most sensible to me.

[NortheastCynic]

Well, I don't support any of them, but [and I'm sorry ECW] but I have to say the idea most likely to produce a greater catastrophe is Edwards' plan. Immediately withdraw 40,000 troops? Does Edwards really believe that that will reduce the number of terrorists in Iraq, or does he believe that it will help make sure a fundamentalist and anti-American regime doesn't pop up...I really am left scratching my head at that idea.

-NC

[piratemonkey]

Does Edwards really believe that that will reduce the number of terrorists in Iraq,


I love this stuff.

I'm not sure there can be many more than Bush already created by invading Iraq... just according to all 16 US intelligence agencies.

The war in Iraq has become a primary recruitment vehicle for violent Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of potential terrorists around the world whose numbers may be increasing faster than the United States and its allies can reduce the threat, U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092301130.html

Sucks when facts get in the way of partisan attacks.

[NortheastCynic]

Sucks when facts get in the way of partisan attacks. Ahahahahahahahaha....Bwhaahahahahaha. Partisan? Oh my sweet baby Jesus, you can NOT be serious.

Nothing about what I said was partisan...PM, have I EVER denied that more terrorists are being created in Iraq, I know that's a fact. My point is that if you pull 40,000 United States troops out of the country do you think those insurgents are MORE likely to take over the gov't of the country or LESS likely to take over the Iraqi gov't. [Jeopardy music plays in background].

I still can't get over that....Partisan? Wow.

My reasoning and logic is very, very simple. If we leave Iraq WHO DO YOU THINK WILL CONTROL THE GOV'T? Do you believe the bumbling idiocy that is the current Iraqi gov't and the Reno 911-esque Iraqi defense force could POSSIBLY stop insurgents from retaking the country and turning it into a bastion of Islamic terrorism? Make no mistake, I believe that this war was a mistake, I believe our Administration did a bad job handling it, but I think pulling out would NOT be in the best interest of our country. Partisan? Ha.

-NC

[Stoner]

I'm not sure there can be many more than Bush already created by invading Iraq

I am amazed at the garbage libs believe in. It's retarded thinking such as this that prevents libs from winning the WH.

Only winning 2 out of the last 7 presidential elections should have been a wake-up call to knock off these loony, moveon.org conspiracy theories.

[ECW]

I'm not sure there can be many more than Bush already created by invading Iraq

I am amazed at the garbage libs believe in. It's retarded thinking such as this that prevents libs from winning the WH.

Only winning 2 out of the last 7 presidential elections should have been a wake-up call to knock off these loony, moveon.org conspiracy theories.


There you go with your revisionist history again. It's amazing how once you get a misleading statement in the brain that you keep repeating it as if that would make it true. It's as if the world did not exist before Dementia Man Ronnie Ray-gun was elected. Oh, well, I guess dope smoking does make it hard to remember what the real world is like.

It truly is amazing at the Follow The Leader menatlity that Republicans follow today. It's the Stay The Course mind set that led us down this Road To Hell that we have been on for the last 6 years in this country. No wonder our country is in the rough shape it is, not only here at home, but in the eyes of the world as well. Now we are reviled instead of respected, hated instead of loved and made out for being hypocrites for violating every principle that we used to espouse to the world. That's what you get when you elect Republicans to run things. They run things alright, right into the ground.

If the Wright brothers would have been Republicans, we would be honoring them for inventing the backhoe for digging bigger and bigger holes instead of the airplane. Retarded garbage is the sole province of the GOP.

[ECW]

The Edwards Plan is my choice which is why he's my choice for president.


He will do the worst out of the three. Get that box of Kleenex handy.


Save the kleenex for your own sorry ass. You'll need it after the Chimpster gets done ruining everything.

[firefox]

If the Wright brothers would have been Republicans, we would be honoring them for inventing the backhoe for digging bigger and bigger holes instead of the airplane. Retarded garbage is the sole province of the GOP.


Dang, ECW, I wish I had thought of that line! :P Another thing you may not believe was that I was within hours of voting for Edwards in the 2004 CA primaries, but he dropped out at the last minute, and I voted Libertarian. I haven't looked back since! ;) I have voted for a few Ds and Rs when there wasn't a LP candidate, though.

Back to the point, I support a withdrawal over 6 months with no remaining presence in the region, or anywhere else in the world. The US military is supposed to defend *America*, not foreign countries that don't want us there. It is very well understood that the #1 cause of terrorism is... guess what... foreign occupation! Who'd have thought. I'd bet all of you would be "insurgents" and "terrorists" if America was subjugated by a foreign power as well. I know I would! I'm with the pro security, pro freedom, pro peace crowd, not the misinformed, violent neocon and "liberventionalist" camp.

[NortheastCynic]

Well I'm certainly no interventionalist, but the question I ask myself is "if we leave without a strong, capable, pro-American Iraqi government in power, will we be less safe or more safe?" I believe that if we pulled out immediately, insurgents and/or radical Islamists will take over the country and create an Iraq that is a state sponsor of terror. I'll note again that I understand, never denied and have never brought up the fact that in going to Iraq we made it a terrorist breeding ground, I know that. That strengthens my argument. We went in, created a terrorist breeding ground, well, who do you think would serve to gain if we picked up and left? We cannot take the risk of creating a terrorist-sponsoring or worse yet terrorist-run Iraqi nation.

I'm still giggling over "partisan"...lol.

-NC

[Kev_guy]

I like Edwards a lot for President. I think he could possibly be the next John Kennedy. But anyway..I'm still worried about Bush trying to stay into power. The last election and I quote with an interviewer.

"
What are you going to do if you lose?

Oh I'm not going to lose! (very serious face)

--

Not to mention trying to almost postpone the last presidential elections in case of a terrorist attack. I still won't be surprised if Bush declares himself Ceasar!

[Stoner]

I like Edwards a lot for President

Why would an ambulance chaser who feeds on the emotions of those in crisis be a good president?

[firefox]

I like Edwards a lot for President. I think he could possibly be the next John Kennedy.


I know, that's the problem. I want him to take his violent, deadly socialized medicine plans and shove it where the sun don't shine! 8-)

[ECW]

Well I'm certainly no interventionalist, but the question I ask myself is "if we leave without a strong, capable, pro-American Iraqi government in power, will we be less safe or more safe?" I believe that if we pulled out immediately, insurgents and/or radical Islamists will take over the country and create an Iraq that is a state sponsor of terror. I'll note again that I understand, never denied and have never brought up the fact that in going to Iraq we made it a terrorist breeding ground, I know that. That strengthens my argument. We went in, created a terrorist breeding ground, well, who do you think would serve to gain if we picked up and left? We cannot take the risk of creating a terrorist-sponsoring or worse yet terrorist-run Iraqi nation.

I'm still giggling over "partisan"...lol.

-NC


The Shia dominated government that we have installed would violently crack down on the Sunni terrorists if we leave. They have already started to do so in addition to quietly sponsoring death squads to kill innocents in an attempt to pacify the population.

A multinational force under the aegis of the Arab League is virtually the only hope of keeping Iraq from becoming a blood bath when we begin to leave. The Bushies won't hear of it because we would not be controlling this force. Bush don't want no part of something he cannot control. Unfortunately, I see it as the only way we can escape Iraq without it becoming a blood bath.

BTW, just for clarification piratemonkey, NE isn't partisan. He's one of those funky Libertarian types but he isn't partisan. Trust me, man, I know partisan.

[ECW]

I like Edwards a lot for President

Why would an ambulance chaser who feeds on the emotions of those in crisis be a good president?


He couldn't possibly be worse than the retarded chimp living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue right now. In fact, no one could be worse than this guy because he is the Worst. President. Ever. Certifiably. Bar none. Even Richard Nixon is smiling up from hell knowing that he is off the hook.

[AlonzoMourning23]

The Indo-Pakistan war took place between November and December 1971.......

India supported an independent Bangladesh and ties with the US plummeted in August 1971 when Delhi signed a treaty with the Soviet Union that included mutual military assistance in case of war. ....

With the Indian army and armed Bengali separatists winning, the US on 10 December 1971 urged Beijing to mobilise troops towards India, saying the US would back it if the Soviet Union became involved.

China declined and on 16 December the war ended with the Indian army and Bengali separatists taking Dhaka.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4633263.stm

No ECW, he's not the worst. He's not going to be able to be the worst until he tries to draw nuclear powers into a war.

Though lets not forget these gems:

Former US President Richard Nixon was too drunk to answer the phone when Britain's prime minister rang him at the height of the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, according to newly-released records.

Transcripts of the phone conversations of the president's close adviser, Henry Kissinger, show him trying to fend off a UK request to discuss the crisis as it sucked in Cold War rivals, Russia and America.

"Can we tell them no?" Mr Kissinger asks his assistant. "When I talked to the president, he was loaded."

Brent Scowcroft, Mr Kissinger's assistant, replies: "We could tell him the president is not available and perhaps he can call you."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3754199.stm

Then President Richard Nixon discussed a Vietnam exit strategy before the 1972 election, a tape released to mark 30 years since he resigned shows.
US forces had engaged in a huge bombing campaign that year in North Vietnam.

But Nixon told his National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger that even with US backing, South Vietnam was unlikely to survive.

Some historians see the conversation as evidence that Nixon sacrificed US forces in his quest for a second term.



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[NortheastCynic]

That's fair enough ECW, I don't necessarily agree with you, but it's nice to see someone who wants us to leave's view of what a post-American involvement Iraq would look like. I think we can agree to disagree, but I definitely respect that position.

-NC

[micfranklin]

Hilary doesn't have her priorities straight (c'mon, banning video games?) and she'd probably make most, if not all of her decisions based on a magazine poll.

[J316]

The Edwards Plan is my choice which is why he's my choice for president.


He will do the worst out of the three. Get that box of Kleenex handy.


Save the kleenex for your own sorry ass. You'll need it after the Chimpster gets done ruining everything.


Getting worked up now, are we?

[J316]

I havent seen a candidate that I like yet, and I really am starting to think there wont be one.

[Survivor]

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I think all three are just plain nuts.