View Full Version : How will history remember Bush?
Professor
02-26-2007, 10:44 PM
I know this is a complex issue with many facets but overal do you think history will have a favorable or bad impression of the 43rd president?
Elrathin
02-26-2007, 10:54 PM
It all depends on how Iraq goes. If Iraq goes bad, he will be remembered as one (if not THE) worst president in history. If Iraq goes good, I imagine he will be remembered favorably.
I can say that I think he will be remember negatively because I don't think Iraq will turn out good. However, as others have said here that I agree with, history judges the president many years after they have left office.
We can guess all we want, but until a few years after he has left office and possible a few presidents later, history will be the judge.
Like it or not, no matter what else he does, he will always be remembered as the President that started the war with Iraq. Let's not kid ourselves, there isn't going to be some magic bullet that is going to change things the way they are now. He even knows this by his statement that it'll be the next president's job to bring the troops home.
If we had finished in Afghanistan, then there wouldn't be this spring attack that they are predicting. It could have been a model of democracy in the middle east.
But even that isn't enough, what he has done effects not only the Middle East, but sadly a lot of the rest of the world. Not to mention that the word of the President of the United States isn't worth shit anymore. It's going to take many years to get our standing back.
Guitarmitch
02-28-2007, 04:03 PM
Once this all shakes out, people 20 years down the line will see that the decisions he made were the correct ones. People will see that the things he wanted to accomplish were the right things to do yet were undermined by the political opposition and those who did not have the foresight to see what was really happening in the world.
Stoner
02-28-2007, 07:22 PM
History will remember Bush as a leader who made the tough decisions, although not very popular ones, they were indeed the correct ones. He ignored the pressure of the media and libs and freed Iraq. Iraq, even now, is millions of times better. With the exception of parts of Baghdad and other various locations, it is peaceful and free of the murderous and torturous dictator rule they once endured.
AlonzoMourning23
02-28-2007, 08:27 PM
He will be remembered as a failure like herbert hoover. Except he won't have any cool terms like "hoover blankets" attached to his name, thoug misunderestimated isn't bad.
Oh, and he will also be a hero to the animal rights movement, as he fully demonstrates how close human and non human intelligence animals can be, and why animals should be protected. I even put together a little ad:
If this is president:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1690/i19032004oct01qb0.jpg
Why is this dinner?
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/774/48589230cowkd6.jpg
Buck Laser
02-28-2007, 08:49 PM
He will be remembered as a failure like herbert hoover. Except he won't have any cool terms like "hoover blankets" attached to his name, thoug misunderestimated isn't bad.
I think this is truly unfair to Hoover. Hoover was a competent man who did significant good work in helping to feed hungry Europeans following WW2. His failure in the political arena had more to do with accidents of history than even with his politics. I'm not casting him as good, so much as an unfortunate president.
Really, I don't think there's any previous president who will ever be regarded as Bush will be. He is the Gold Standard for failure.
Saigio
02-28-2007, 09:05 PM
As a fool who made foolish lunders that screwed over more then one country.
Professor
03-01-2007, 02:50 AM
I think he will also be remembered for his Katrina legacy.
firefox
03-01-2007, 06:45 AM
I went for "positively" because history has a strange way of being written by the victors. Look at the glorification of Lincoln, FDR, etc.
Professor
03-01-2007, 11:56 PM
I went for "positively" because history has a strange way of being written by the victors. Look at the glorification of Lincoln, FDR, etc.
That's very true, history is written by the victors.
I am curious, what did Lincoln do that was ommited?
firefox
03-02-2007, 08:16 AM
The three biggest faults of his were:
1. Suspension of habeas corpus during Civil War
2. Being a factor in the initiation of the civil war in the first place (was technically a war for secession, but whatever)
3. Debasing the currency by issuing fiat (unbacked) "greenbacks", which created lots of inflation.
He wasn't all bad, but he could have done a LOT better than that, IMHO.
micfranklin
03-06-2007, 07:24 PM
From what we all know he'll be down there with Nixon as a crap president. Plus, he lied about Iraq and got the U.S. involved in something it didn't need to be in, so that's taking away lots of points for him.
Stoner
03-06-2007, 07:29 PM
he lied about Iraq
If he really lied he would have been impeached. Period. He didn't lie.
Now if you want to talk about documented liars and those impeached we can talk about Bubba. Now there's a disgrace to the country. Only 2 presidents impeached and Billy Boy is one of them.
Now that's a shitty legacy.
micfranklin
03-06-2007, 07:33 PM
he lied about Iraq
If he really lied he would have been impeached. Period. He didn't lie.
Now if you want to talk about documented liars and those impeached we can talk about Bubba. Now there's a disgrace to the country. Only 2 presidents impeached and Billy Boy is one of them.
Now that's a shitty legacy.
No, he flat-out lied. Our mission was to get Osama and get rid of the Taliban, that's why we went overseas in the first place. Somehow we lose track of Osama and end up with 3000+ soldiers dead in Iraq.
Stoner
03-06-2007, 07:44 PM
No, he flat-out lied.
You're confusing facts with what you want to be facts. Bush didn't lie. I understand you want him to be a liar but you're chasing a ghost. All of the libs' accusations have been debunked. Sorry to rain on your agenda but we'll stick with facts.
Now like I said before, if you want to talk about proven and documented liars we'll discuss Bubba. Other than that all of this "Bush lied" mumbo jumbo is wishful thinking.
Labrocca
03-06-2007, 08:16 PM
While I personally don't view Bush as a failure I do believe history may see him this way. Doubtful teenagers growing up will have any respect for the man. Already there are dozens of books with him painted in a negative light. Google itself ranks him #1 for the term failure...that HAS to influence the younger generation. I could be wrong...as a kid Reagan was a villain to me but as I grew older I realized how much of a hero he was to our country. Bush can go either way but I bet negative.
micfranklin
03-06-2007, 08:59 PM
You're confusing facts with what you want to be facts. Bush didn't lie. I understand you want him to be a liar but you're chasing a ghost.
I don't want him to be a liar, he already is one. Our main purpose after 9/11 was to go into Afghanistan to get Osama, no?
Stoner
03-06-2007, 09:06 PM
Our main purpose after 9/11 was to go into Afghanistan to get Osama, no?
You do realize people can walk and chew gum at once, right? You do know that a country can do two things at once, right?
You are correct, one of our main purposes after 9/11 was to get bin Laden. Another main purpose was to get serious in cracking down on terrorists and the countries that aide and allow them to find safe haven in their country.
Iraq was a major problem in this. They had been long known to allow terrorists safe haven in Iraq. By freeing Iraq you save millions of lives down the road and dramatically cut down on the amount of terrorists and cells.
Elrathin
03-06-2007, 11:03 PM
Iraq was a major problem in this. They had been long known to allow terrorists safe haven in Iraq. By freeing Iraq you save millions of lives down the road and dramatically cut down on the amount of terrorists and cells.
There are far more terrorists operating in Iraq now than when Saddam was in Charge. Imagine that.
Stoner
03-06-2007, 11:36 PM
There are far more terrorists operating in Iraq now than when Saddam was in Charge. Imagine that.
That is the biggest pile of steaming, stinking, moveon.org bullshit I have ever heard come from the left. Hell, even moveon.org is shocked you libs actually repeat that out loud.
Do some homework. You'll see, like most things moveon.org and the drive-by-media tell you, is complete crap.
But by all means, keep posting it. I chuckle every time a kool-aid drinking lib repeats it.
Red Dragon
03-06-2007, 11:48 PM
Actually the terroists in Iraq are fighting us because we invaded Iraq. Read this article to find out a little bit more http://www.rand.org/commentary/013005PPG.html But I suppose your just going to take these words as lies and liberal propaganda to besmerch the name of our president and other imperial warmongers. Now if you have noting intelligent to bring to the conversation why don't you go kill those brain cells or yours.
Buck Laser
03-06-2007, 11:49 PM
Uh....Stoner? I think maybe it's time you sobered up and listened to the news. Suicide bombers are, by definition, terrorists. So far as I've been determine, they aren't exactly an endangered species.:P
Of course, you'll go on believing whatever you want to. Reality doesn't seem to have made much of an impact on you. And if you stay high enough, I guess you can avoid it forever.
That is the biggest pile of steaming, stinking, moveon.org bullshit I have ever heard come from the left. Hell, even moveon.org is shocked you libs actually repeat that out loud.
Do some homework. You'll see, like most things moveon.org and the drive-by-media tell you, is complete crap.
But by all means, keep posting it. I chuckle every time a kool-aid drinking lib repeats it.
What's it like being stuck in 2003?
micfranklin
03-07-2007, 04:20 AM
Our main purpose after 9/11 was to go into Afghanistan to get Osama, no?
You do realize people can walk and chew gum at once, right? You do know that a country can do two things at once, right?
You are correct, one of our main purposes after 9/11 was to get bin Laden. Another main purpose was to get serious in cracking down on terrorists and the countries that aide and allow them to find safe haven in their country.
Iraq was a major problem in this. They had been long known to allow terrorists safe haven in Iraq. By freeing Iraq you save millions of lives down the road and dramatically cut down on the amount of terrorists and cells.
But the problem is that since Saddam has been forced out of power, there has been nothing but chaos and destruction since. We could leave, but then we'd be leaving the citizens to deal with the chaos, so now we need to stay, but that's also putting us in danger.
firefox
03-07-2007, 05:28 AM
So who's it going to be? Us or them? I say, we need an orderly withdrawal from the region, and from the rest of the world where there are are useless bases such as in Germany, Japan, etc.
Stoner
03-07-2007, 08:50 AM
But the problem is that since Saddam has been forced out of power, there has been nothing but chaos and destruction since.
You do realize all you're doing is spewing out Air America crap, right? You do know Iraq is nothing like that, right?
Bush in 3 words: Worst. President. Ever.
BoogyMan
03-07-2007, 04:48 PM
Bush in 3 words: Worst. President. Ever.
No, no, no ECW. You keep forgetting, that was Carter.
Elrathin
03-07-2007, 04:54 PM
Do some homework. You'll see, like most things moveon.org and the drive-by-media tell you, is complete crap.
But by all means, keep posting it. I chuckle every time a kool-aid drinking lib repeats it.
Do some homework, was there suicide bombers when Saddam was in charge?
Was there roadside bombs placed in the streets for Iraqis to get hit by?
While you may have a leg to stand on the severity of Saddam's rule versus the insurgency now, the fact there are more terrorists in Iraq NOW then when Saddam was in charge is UNDENIABLE except to those who do not wish to live in reality.
I think it is you who needs to wake up. We live in reality, not some doped up smoke filled world through a bong such as you.
Stoner
03-07-2007, 08:42 PM
Bush in 3 words: Worst. President. Ever.
Actually the worst ever would be Carter followed by Clinton. Afterall, you have to be a special kind of stupid to get impeached.
No, you just have to have a bunch of hypocrites willing to spend $64 million to discredit a guy for getting a blowjob. At least no one died for Clinton's lies. Chimpy still has the top spot on the Worst. President. Ever. rankings and no amount of time will change that. When Chimpy negotiates a peace treaty in the middle east that lasts 25 years without being broken, then he might get out of last place, but I wouldn't bet all the MJ you could smoke on that possibility.
Chimpy= Worst. President. Ever.
Stoner
03-07-2007, 08:59 PM
No, you just have to have a bunch of hypocrites willing to spend $64 million to discredit a guy for getting a blowjob.
Wow, you don't have any clue about history, do you? Clinton discredited himself by lying to a federal grand jury.
No, Bush isn't even close to being near the bottom. Carter and Clinton have that award firmly in their grasps.
Thanks for playing, though. Better luck next time.
micfranklin
03-07-2007, 09:14 PM
But the problem is that since Saddam has been forced out of power, there has been nothing but chaos and destruction since.
You do realize all you're doing is spewing out Air America crap, right? You do know Iraq is nothing like that, right?
Well except for the fact that we've lost 3000+ soldiers since we've started, civilians get killed everyday by suicide bombers or rocket launchers, and towns and cities get ravaged in said attacks, I'd have to agree:rolleyes:
No, you just have to have a bunch of hypocrites willing to spend $64 million to discredit a guy for getting a blowjob.
Wow, you don't have any clue about history, do you? Clinton discredited himself by lying to a federal grand jury.
Huh? What exactly did he lie about?
Stoner
03-07-2007, 11:12 PM
Huh? What exactly did he lie about?
Doesn't matter. Lying to a federal grand jury is a crime. Period.
Huh? What exactly did he lie about?
Doesn't matter. Lying to a federal grand jury is a crime. Period.
You won't get any arguement out of me on that point. I'm just curious, since you said he didn't lie about a blow job. I thought I might have missed something.
Elrathin
03-07-2007, 11:55 PM
Doesn't matter. Lying to a federal grand jury is a crime. Period.
So is smoking pot, but you have no problem breaking the law.
Doesn't matter. Lying to a federal grand jury is a crime. Period.
So is smoking pot, but you have no problem breaking the law.
Poor Stoner. Bitchslapped again. I guess when you are that stoned you fair to realize that Chimpy is the Worst. President. Ever. No problem. I'll keep reminding you.
Doesn't matter. Lying to a federal grand jury is a crime. Period.
So is smoking pot, but you have no problem breaking the law.
Poor Stoner. Bitchslapped again. I guess when you are that stoned you fair to realize that Chimpy is the Worst. President. Ever. No problem. I'll keep reminding you.
Let me revise your statement...
Clinton+Carter=Hell
Doesn't matter. Lying to a federal grand jury is a crime. Period.
So is smoking pot, but you have no problem breaking the law.
Poor Stoner. Bitchslapped again. I guess when you are that stoned you fair to realize that Chimpy is the Worst. President. Ever. No problem. I'll keep reminding you.
Let me revise your statement...
Clinton+Carter=Hell
sorry, mistake Clinton+whitehouse=Hell
BIrdzeye
03-21-2007, 04:12 PM
he lied about Iraq
If he really lied he would have been impeached. Period. He didn't lie.
Now if you want to talk about documented liars and those impeached we can talk about Bubba. Now there's a disgrace to the country. Only 2 presidents impeached and Billy Boy is one of them.
Now that's a shitty legacy.
He would have been impeached by a congress that was GOP controlled up until the beginning of this year? Dream on!
And as for "Bubba," he did lie, but his lies didn't kill 3000 soldiers needlessly.
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