Is evolution real?

[bobbylien]

Is there any truth to Evolution?

[BoogyMan]

I find the question too broad to be useful.

[bobbylien]

I find the question too broad to be useful.

I'm looking for people to reply with their opinions, then a discussion can develop.

[Alonzo]

Why does this remind me of XTC's smartest monkeys?

Well man created the cardboard box to sleep in it
And man converted the newspaper to a blanket
Well you have to admit that he's come a long way
Since swinging about in the trees
We're the smartest monkeys
The smartest monkeys
The evidence is all around
Our brains are bigger
This we've found
The smartest monkeys
Well man discovered the park bench can make a transition
And the rubbish tip makes a valid form of nutrition
With discoveries like these
Civilisation agrees
To give itself a pat on the back
We're the smartest monkeys
The evolution's plain to see
We're the dominant of the species
The smartest monkeys
We brought the caveman from the stoneage
To the subways of the modern world
Quick call the Guinness Book of Records
Well you have to admit...
We're the smartest monkeys...

[Drocket]

Evolution, as its defined in a scientific sense, is a fact that's demonstratable in a laboratory. Species DO change over time when selected for characteristics. All the breeds of dogs that exist are proof that evolution happens - they've been evolved by man choosing which traits are most useful and controlling breeding to pass them on. Most fruits and vegetables you eat are the end result of human-controlled evolution.

If you mean evolution in the broader cultural sense (AKA - the scientifically inaccurate sense), as in did man evolve from monkeys, then that's a different discussion. For evolution itself, though - denying it exists is about as realistic as denying gravity exists.

[Stoner]

Of course evolution is real. Animals are a perfect example of that.

[Red Dragon]

Denying evoultion is like denying that the earth is round or that the ksy is blue. Also I would like to clear up bring something up, evoultion doesn't state that we came from monkies, rather that we and them share a common ancestor.

[lily]

Also I would like to clear up bring something up, evoultion doesn't state that we came from monkies, rather that we and them share a common ancestor.

Sometimes it takes a high school student to remind us what we forgot!:D

bobbylien wrote:
Is there any truth to Evolution?

There is too much scientific evidence to deny it.

[Elrathin]

Evolution is a fact. The conclusions that some people reach in regards to humans and evolution may be in question, but evolution has been proven as fact that it exists.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,


1. Hehehehehehehehehehehe,......
2. Keep going.
3. This is freakin hilarious!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,


1. Hehehehehehehehehehehe,......
2. Keep going.
3. This is freakin hilarious!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

what's hilarious?

[Harry01]

Denying evolution is in fact a correct endorsement that you are neither of mental disabilities or otherwise.
Infact the whole concept of evolution is dull in both concept and ideological gravitas and should be dismissed as such.Well let me start by the human aspect of evolution which i view as racist.Firstly if we agree that humans evolved from monkeys then naturally we a talking of black humans for we have never seen white monkeys but monkeys are generally known to have a black colour!!!With such reasoning i then ask where then did whites come from?Did a black monkey somehow evolve into a white human being?NONSENSE!!!......in fact i can go on and on but i have a government to run...lol

[slappy]

Did a black monkey somehow evolve into a white human being?NONSENSE!!!
Umm... out of all of the physical characteristics that distinguish modern humans from their sub-human ancestors of 6 million years ago, I'd think that skin colour would be the easiest to explain away...particularly when colour mutations are observed just about everywhere you look in nature (e.g., albinos).

And anyway, who says the primate from whom we evolved had black skin? Here's one of our two closest living primate relatives, according to modern science:

http://www.defenders.org/cites/images/babychimpanzee.jpg

He doesn't look black to me. :)

[Buck Laser]

Denying evolution is in fact a correct endorsement that you are neither of mental disabilities or otherwise.
Infact the whole concept of evolution is dull in both concept and ideological gravitas and should be dismissed as such.Well let me start by the human aspect of evolution which i view as racist.Firstly if we agree that humans evolved from monkeys then naturally we a talking of black humans for we have never seen white monkeys but monkeys are generally known to have a black colour!!!With such reasoning i then ask where then did whites come from?Did a black monkey somehow evolve into a white human being?NONSENSE!!!......in fact i can go on and on but i have a government to run...lol


Harry, are YOU black? Just wondering...

[Harry01]

Denying evolution is in fact a correct endorsement that you are neither of mental disabilities or otherwise.
Infact the whole concept of evolution is dull in both concept and ideological gravitas and should be dismissed as such.Well let me start by the human aspect of evolution which i view as racist.Firstly if we agree that humans evolved from monkeys then naturally we a talking of black humans for we have never seenÂ*Â*white monkeys but monkeys are generally known to have a black colour!!!With such reasoning i then ask where then did whites come from?Did a black monkey somehow evolve into a white human being?NONSENSE!!!......in fact i can go on and on but i have a government to run...lol


Harry, are YOU black?Â*Â*Just wondering...


oh yes i`m black.....from Africa

[Buck Laser]

Most research on human evolution suggests that human beings occurred first in Africa. I construed your remark about evolution as suggesting that it was unthinkable that the first humans may have been black Africans. I may have misinterpreted it as a racist remark.

I know of no good reason to doubt that humans first appeared in Africa. My understanding of evolution, however, is not that humans evolved from monkeys, but that both species are descended from common ancestors. Skin color would be a very minor factor in human evolution, I'd think.

[J316]

Also I would like to clear up bring something up, evoultion doesn't state that we came from monkies, rather that we and them share a common ancestor.


If evolution was real, they would have already found a common ancester. Further more, A study was done over generations that prooved evolution is not real by chopping off mices tails. if evolution is real, the mice would have been born tailless. but they where the same old mice.

[slappy]

You're kidding, right?

[lily]

Â*Skin color would be a very minor factor in human evolution, I'd think.


If I'm not mistaken and I'm too lazy to cite, but isn't skin color due to your nationality and the region you came from, due to melanin? Same as nose, eye slant and size to protect you from the climate?

[lily]

Slappy wrote:
You're kidding, right?

I think he might not be.



If evolution was real, they would have already found a common ancester. Further more, A study was done over generations that prooved evolution is not real by chopping off mices tails. if evolution is real, the mice would have been born tailless. but they where the same old mice.


That's odd........my grandfather lost his leg. My dad, all 8 of us kids, all my grandkids, nieces, nephews, grand nieces and nephews all have 2 legs

[Labrocca]

I added a "not sure" option since..I am not sure.

[Alonzo]

Further more, A study was done over generations that prooved evolution is not real by chopping off mices tails. if evolution is real, the mice would have been born tailless. but they where the same old mice.


Wow. Just wow. I don't even know how to begin to respond to that.

You actually think physically changing a body structure is going to have anything to do with future generations?

[slappy]

Slappy wrote:
You're kidding, right?
I think he might not be.
If he's not kidding then he's a tad confused. Out of curiosity, I googled the experiment to which he was referring and found that it has, indeed, been done. Only it was done to disprove Lamarckian evolutionary theory. Not Darwinian. Lamarck believed that changes to an organism's physical structure due to environment could be passed on to offspring. Modern evolutionary theory depends on no such view, so the mouse mutilation mentioned above is of no real consequence today.

[Nitrus]

Of course evolution is real, if it isnt then where did we come from... i suppose the homoerectus' are still around and us homosapiens appeared from NOWHERE!!!!!

[Harry01]

Of course evolution is real, if it isnt then where did we come from... i suppose the homoerectus' are still around and us homosapiens appeared from NOWHERE!!!!!


if evolution is as real as you put it then how come people are not of the same race? Why do we have many races then?

[Nitrus]

Your thinking that this is evolution:

ape----------homo erectus--------- homosapiens

When actually its more this



---homo sapien---------??????
ape----------homo erectus--Extinct
--- more species----Extinct?
--more species----Extinct?
--other species-------??????
----more species-------???????


^Thats how there are different races i think^

By the by, this IS NOT an accurate representation, nor does it represent scientific fact...... so dont hold me too it, this is simple my representation of how there are different species and races of man...

[slappy]

if evolution is as real as you put it then how come people are not of the same race? Why do we have many races then?
In fact, according to modern anthropology, we don't really have many races:

n the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.
Source: American Anthropological Association (http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm)

So, in fact, you're really just asking why, if we evolved from some other state, all human beings don't look exactly alike, same height, same exact facial features and so on. The answer is that the genetic traits which have led to the modern human species were passed along to various different populations by successful reproductive efforts. We're also talking about six million years of natural selection for various traits since pre-humans are believed to have diverged from the rest of the primates. Mutation, plus natural selection, plus millions of years of procreation, makes it pretty easy to imagine the vast variety of shapes and colours we see in the human population today.

[J316]

I dont ever see frogs with antlers now, do I? I will believe evolution if you show me frogs with antlers and deer with human legs!!!

if evolution were true, then we would still be mutating.

[J316]

Your thinking that this is evolution:

ape----------homo erectus--------- homosapiens

When actually its more this



---homo sapien---------??????
ape----------homo erectus--Extinct
--- more species----Extinct?
--more species----Extinct?
--other species-------??????
----more species-------???????


^Thats how there are different races i think^

By the by, this IS NOT an accurate representation, nor does it represent scientific fact...... so dont hold me too it, this is simple my representation of how there are different species and races of man...


you are accurate by putting in all of those question marks.

[Elrathin]

if evolution were true, then we would still be mutating.


Who says we aren't? Evolution takes thousands and even hundreds of thousands of years, can you honestly say that man has not changed in ANYWAY over the past 2,000 years?

Take a medical class and you will actually see that mankind HAS changed considerably medical wise over the past 2000 years.

[J316]

if evolution were true, then we would still be mutating.


Who says we aren't? Evolution takes thousands and even hundreds of thousands of years, can you honestly say that man has not changed in ANYWAY over the past 2,000 years?

Take a medical class and you will actually see that mankind HAS changed considerably medical wise over the past 2000 years.


I believe that we ADAPT to our invironment, but that is completely different than evolution. in Africa, for example, they have dark skin because of the sun. they work in fields and farms. here, we dont get so much, because we sit in the office all day.

[bobbylien]

I believe that we ADAPT to our invironment, but that is completely different than evolution. in Africa, for example, they have dark skin because of the sun. they work in fields and farms. here, we dont get so much, because we sit in the office all day.

Then what about the Americans that work out in the sun all day? Shouldn't they be turning black? Aren't adapt and evolve basically the exact same thing? Your whole point of view is extremely flawed. But then again, "The jury is still out."-GWB on evolution. :D Isn't it amazing what he will say to appease his radical evangelical supporters? I find it hard to believe that he actually thinks that.

[Buck Laser]

Isn't there something faintly ridiculous about running a poll on whether evolution is for real? What? Does the winner get a spot in the encyclopedia?

I happen to believe that there's no such thing as gravity. Instead, the earth sucks. I think I'll start a poll.

[piratemonkey]

I believe that we ADAPT to our invironment, but that is completely different than evolution. in Africa, for example, they have dark skin because of the sun. they work in fields and farms. here, we dont get so much, because we sit in the office all day.


Um.... it's amazing that in America someone could be using scientific arguments that were debunked over 100 years ago and not even realize it. We should be ashamed of the level of science education in this country today.


Are you saying your farmer ancestors weren't white?

Are you saying that wealthy Africans who haven't worked "in fields and farms" for generations are getting lighter skin?

:rolleyes:

Also:
If adaptation is coded in genes... what's the name for that?

(Hint: evolution)

[potter]

I believe that we ADAPT to our invironment, but that is completely different than evolution. in Africa, for example, they have dark skin because of the sun. they work in fields and farms. here, we dont get so much, because we sit in the office all day.

Then what about the Americans that work out in the sun all day? Shouldn't they be turning black? Aren't adapt and evolve basically the exact same thing? Your whole point of view is extremely flawed. But then again, "The jury is still out."-GWB on evolution. :D Isn't it amazing what he will say to appease his radical evangelical supporters? I find it hard to believe that he actually thinks that.



Our ancestors all started out dark skinned in africa, in the hot and sunny climates, the dark skin protected them from the sun. As they moved to cooler climates their skin adapted by getting lighter. There is a physical reason why lighter skin in cooler clime benefitted man but I don't remember what it was. (saw a documentary on it last week)

It took a few thousand years for this adaption.

[J316]

I believe that we ADAPT to our invironment, but that is completely different than evolution. in Africa, for example, they have dark skin because of the sun. they work in fields and farms. here, we dont get so much, because we sit in the office all day.

Then what about the Americans that work out in the sun all day? Shouldn't they be turning black? Aren't adapt and evolve basically the exact same thing? Your whole point of view is extremely flawed. But then again, "The jury is still out."-GWB on evolution. :D Isn't it amazing what he will say to appease his radical evangelical supporters? I find it hard to believe that he actually thinks that.



Our ancestors all started out dark skinned in africa, in the hot and sunny climates, the dark skin protected them from the sun. As they moved to cooler climates their skin adapted by getting lighter. There is a physical reason why lighter skin in cooler clime benefitted man but I don't remember what it was. (saw a documentary on it last week)

It took a few thousand years for this adaption.


exactly!

[potter]

http://www.cbse.ucsc.edu/pdf_library/MeaningOfRace_Riese101005.pdf

Here is a PDF file on my last post. It's very interesting

[piratemonkey]

It took a few thousand years for this adaption.


Again, you make me shake my head.

What is an adaptation that is rooted in genetics called?
Evolution.

Are you trying to claim that species can change genetically to adapt to different environments and this is not evolution?

Wow.

That's like saying you can melt ice, but there's nothing thermodynamic going on. :rolleyes:

[Buck Laser]

Our ancestors all started out dark skinned in africa, in the hot and sunny climates, the dark skin protected them from the sun. As they moved to cooler climates their skin adapted by getting lighter. There is a physical reason why lighter skin in cooler clime benefitted man but I don't remember what it was. (saw a documentary on it last week)

It took a few thousand years for this adaption.
[/quote]

Potter, "race" is comparable to dog breeds, and really has no place in a discussion about evolution, except perhaps as a poor example of how natural selection occurs.

Further, the example of lighter-skinned people moving northward could just as easily have occurred because lighter-skinned human beings found survival easier in latitudes where they weren't exposed to as much sun. Humans haven't grown any smarter (and I'll resist the temptation to say they're dumber) since they spread over all the earth.
And by the way, the Inuit people (Eskimos) are fairly dark skinned.

[bobbylien]

Our ancestors all started out dark skinned in africa, in the hot and sunny climates, the dark skin protected them from the sun. As they moved to cooler climates their skin adapted by getting lighter. There is a physical reason why lighter skin in cooler clime benefitted man but I don't remember what it was. (saw a documentary on it last week)

It took a few thousand years for this adaption.

Wow, a documentary?
Alright, if that is true then why haven't other groups of people(mayans?) adapted and had their skin turn black after a few thousand years in a very sunny area? I find it absolutely hilarious that you are so stuck up that you can't even admit the term adapt is the same as evolution in the context you are using it. Clearly you have one of those opinions that won't be changed no matter how much proof is presented before you. I only ask that you put your past decisions behind you and make a decision based on the facts put forth. If you can't do that then a debate forum really isn't for you.

Isn't there something faintly ridiculous about running a poll on whether evolution is for real? What? Does the winner get a spot in the encyclopedia?
I just wanted to draw out those who don't agree with it, I wanted to see what makes them think this way.

[J316]

Our ancestors all started out dark skinned in africa, in the hot and sunny climates, the dark skin protected them from the sun. As they moved to cooler climates their skin adapted by getting lighter. There is a physical reason why lighter skin in cooler clime benefitted man but I don't remember what it was. (saw a documentary on it last week)

It took a few thousand years for this adaption.

Wow, a documentary?
Alright, if that is true then why haven't other groups of people(mayans?) adapted and had their skin turn black after a few thousand years in a very sunny area? I find it absolutely hilarious that you are so stuck up that you can't even admit the term adapt is the same as evolution in the context you are using it. Clearly you have one of those opinions that won't be changed no matter how much proof is presented before you. I only ask that you put your past decisions behind you and make a decision based on the facts put forth. If you can't do that then a debate forum really isn't for you.

My theory is that scince the mayans lived closer to the equator, they diddnt need to change the color of thier skin. again, this is my theory. I dont know if its true,but it sounds accurate, doesnt it??

[piratemonkey]

My theory is that scince the mayans lived closer to the equator, they diddnt need to change the color of thier skin. again, this is my theory. I dont know if its true,but it sounds accurate, doesnt it??


It not only doesn't sound accurate, you are using a version of adaption proven wrong over 200 years ago. Amazing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarck

[J316]

My theory is that scince the mayans lived closer to the equator, they diddnt need to change the color of thier skin. again, this is my theory. I dont know if its true,but it sounds accurate, doesnt it??


It not only doesn't sound accurate, you are using a version of adaption proven wrong over 200 years ago. Amazing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarck


what part of it doesnt sound accurate?? quote where it disproves my theory.

[Buck Laser]

My theory is that scince the mayans lived closer to the equator, they diddnt need to change the color of thier skin. again, this is my theory. I dont know if its true,but it sounds accurate, doesnt it??


It not only doesn't sound accurate, you are using a version of adaption proven wrong over 200 years ago. Amazing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarck


what part of it doesnt sound accurate?? quote where it disproves my theory.


Well, for starters, the Mayans didn't get to Mexico until about 25,000 years ago, when they migrated from Asia. Humans originated in Africa what, about 100,000 years ago, and spread from there to the rest of the world. Except for Oceania, the Americas were the last to be settled.

Take a look at ANY anthropology textbook.

[J316]

quote the website you gave, IF the experiment was done,or is it not there?

[J316]

Well, for starters, the Mayans didn't get to Mexico until about 25,000 years ago, when they migrated from Asia. Humans originated in Africa what, about 100,000 years ago, and spread from there to the rest of the world. Except for Oceania, the Americas were the last to be settled.

Take a look at ANY anthropology textbook.


then how did they get to south america before the spanish found the americas?? this still doesnt explain why the color of thier skin is different.

[Professor]

Evolution, as its defined in a scientific sense, is a fact that's demonstratable in a laboratory. Species DO change over time when selected for characteristics. All the breeds of dogs that exist are proof that evolution happens - they've been evolved by man choosing which traits are most useful and controlling breeding to pass them on. Most fruits and vegetables you eat are the end result of human-controlled evolution.

If you mean evolution in the broader cultural sense (AKA - the scientifically inaccurate sense), as in did man evolve from monkeys, then that's a different discussion. For evolution itself, though - denying it exists is about as realistic as denying gravity exists.


These are my thoughts exactly. I have seen evidence of adaptation, therefore believe in it.

As for the big bang theory? It sounds a little far fetched to me. But I don't believe in God either. I don't really know how we came into being, and I don't think it matters. Which came first the chicken or the egg?

[J316]

Evolution, as its defined in a scientific sense, is a fact that's demonstratable in a laboratory. Species DO change over time when selected for characteristics. All the breeds of dogs that exist are proof that evolution happens - they've been evolved by man choosing which traits are most useful and controlling breeding to pass them on. Most fruits and vegetables you eat are the end result of human-controlled evolution.

If you mean evolution in the broader cultural sense (AKA - the scientifically inaccurate sense), as in did man evolve from monkeys, then that's a different discussion. For evolution itself, though - denying it exists is about as realistic as denying gravity exists.


These are my thoughts exactly. I have seen evidence of adaptation, therefore believe in it.

As for the big bang theory? It sounds a little far fetched to me. But I don't believe in God either. I don't really know how we came into being, and I don't think it matters. Which came first the chicken or the egg?


this i would agree with. the question was asked it the wrong terms. it depends on what he means by Evolution. i dont believe we came from monkeys. However, i believe in Adaptation. two totally different things.

[Buck Laser]

this i would agree with. the question was asked it the wrong terms. it depends on what he means by Evolution. i dont believe we came from monkeys. However, i believe in Adaptation. two totally different things.

I don't think any evolutionary scientist has ever proposed that "we came from monkeys." But humans and monkeys did have common ancestors. I think you need to learn a bit about what evolution is actually about before you just issue your blanket denials.

What you've been talking about as "adaptation" isn't evolution at all: all humans are of exactly the same species, and a whole lot more like each other than, say, dogs, which are also one species--yet they've been bred to such disparate breeds as Chihuahuas and Irish Wolfhounds.

I think you need to spend a lot more time in the study of basic biology before you let your opinions get cast in stone.

[J316]

this i would agree with. the question was asked it the wrong terms. it depends on what he means by Evolution. i dont believe we came from monkeys. However, i believe in Adaptation. two totally different things.

I don't think any evolutionary scientist has ever proposed that "we came from monkeys." But humans and monkeys did have common ancestors. I think you need to learn a bit about what evolution is actually about before you just issue your blanket denials.


If we had common ancestors, then your telling me we came from monkeys. and i still dont have a quote from that site, so i am giong to assume its not there, and piratemonkey lied about it. from my point of view, it is you all who are making "blanket denials". the conversation is inatiquate, because Evolution covers so many different things.

[Buck Laser]

this i would agree with. the question was asked it the wrong terms. it depends on what he means by Evolution. i dont believe we came from monkeys. However, i believe in Adaptation. two totally different things.

I don't think any evolutionary scientist has ever proposed that "we came from monkeys." But humans and monkeys did have common ancestors. I think you need to learn a bit about what evolution is actually about before you just issue your blanket denials.


If we had common ancestors, then your telling me we came from monkeys. and i still dont have a quote from that site, so i am giong to assume its not there, and piratemonkey lied about it. from my point of view, it is you all who are making "blanket denials". the conversation is inatiquate, because Evolution covers so many different things.


You're gonna believe what you want to, regardless of the evidence, and I have better things to do than trying to convince you. I'm out of this one.

[underdawg]

There are many forms of evolution of life on this planet. Most of us have known about genetic evolution, but the most dramatic form of evolution that I have read about is symbiotic evolution. This is where two or more unrelated creatures live in such close proximity, that over time they can not live without each other and become like one. Some examples of this are lichens,"the union of algae and a fungus", the roots of certain plants that join with a nitrogen fixing fungus, certain intestinal bacteria just to name a few. There are people would find it insulting to think that we share common ancestors with other primates, but I wonder how they would feel to know that all the more highly evolved creatures, the eukaryotes, came about from the symbiotic union of different types of bacteria. Within every cell of out own bodies we carry two different types of DNA. Everyone is familiar with the DNA in our nucleous, but our mitochondria, the little organelles that allow us to use oxygen, also have their own DNA. They divide independent of our nuclear DNA and we only get them from our mothers. Under the microscope they even look like bacteria. Before the union of these different bacteria, life only existed on the microscopic scale. Not only are we related to other primates, but we are related to every other form of life on this planet. Within our own genetic material, we carry the full genetic history of all life that came before us.

[J316]

this i would agree with. the question was asked it the wrong terms. it depends on what he means by Evolution. i dont believe we came from monkeys. However, i believe in Adaptation. two totally different things.

I don't think any evolutionary scientist has ever proposed that "we came from monkeys." But humans and monkeys did have common ancestors. I think you need to learn a bit about what evolution is actually about before you just issue your blanket denials.


If we had common ancestors, then your telling me we came from monkeys. and i still dont have a quote from that site, so i am giong to assume its not there, and piratemonkey lied about it. from my point of view, it is you all who are making "blanket denials". the conversation is inatiquate, because Evolution covers so many different things.


You're gonna believe what you want to, regardless of the evidence, and I have better things to do than trying to convince you. I'm out of this one.


so are you.

[Pookie]

In answer to the poll question, looks like evolution is real.

[Haunting]

"and so they came to be according to their kind" = evolution.

[ticbeast]

There's too much evidence to deny it. Every arguement against it seems to fail one way or another. For now I'd have to say it's real.

[potter]

Oh for heavens sake Piratemonkey and Bobbylien, I'm not denying evolution at all. I was just sharing an interesting article with you guys about pigment theory. Take it or leave it OK?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But evolution isn't and can't happen.
2. We were all created.
3. Creationism, is real.
4. Funny to watch these folks rant on about being a historical accident.
5. What part of , *I am a living accident*, do you prefer?
6. Your all bought with a price, and having been paid for by the scientists, I find you lacking, and more so, lost in confusion uncared for, and without a *Shepard*.
7. That's going to leave a mark, sorry bout that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[piratemonkey]

1. But evolution isn't and can't happen.
2. We were all created.
3. Creationism, is real.


What's it like, CWN?

To be so sure of something just because you feel it's true?

[Buck Laser]

1. But evolution isn't and can't happen.
2. We were all created.
3. Creationism, is real.


What's it like, CWN?

To be so sure of something just because you feel it's true?

It may be that Cheesy actually hasn't evolved? That could answer a lot.

[Red Dragon]

Sorry bout that,

1. But evolution isn't and can't happen.
2. We were all created.
3. Creationism, is real.
4. Funny to watch these folks rant on about being a historical accident.
5. What part of , *I am a living accident*, do you prefer?
6. Your all bought with a price, and having been paid for by the scientists, I find you lacking, and more so, lost in confusion uncared for, and without a *Shepard*.
7. That's going to leave a mark, sorry bout that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


You know Chess I bet that you would agree with evolution if it did not state that humans evolved from ancient apes. Chess evolution does not claim that we are an "accident" as you say rather that it says that we are all descended from gene pool and that as the year’s progress the species change because of genetic variation, heredity, and mutations. And over long periods of time the varied adaptations to the environment result in a new species which while still showing different traits from it's ancestors still shows some leftover traits found in it's ancestors. And as for evolution not happening well that's not true. We see viruses evolve all the time; in fact I do believe that's one of the reasons that we can't cure the common cold. Because every time we do find some way to fight it adapts to it. So you see Chess evolution is onnly a possible reason to how we got here not why we are here and now I bid you a good day.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. You folks blast away, I have met *The Lord*.
2. And I know from what parts I came from and into what place I shall go.
3. You may not ever have the assurance I live with.
4. It must be very sad to believe that when you die and are buried, you will end all life, and enter into blackness.
5. That alone should make the average human being scream in anger towards the unknown Gawd.
6. Just the thought that some here think you head for a black abyss is a complete nightmare.
7. But there is hope, and it can only be found in *Jesus Christ*, *The Lord.*

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

4. It must be very sad to believe that when you die and are buried, you will end all life, and enter into blackness.

Would I be better off just believing that everyone who doesn't agree with me goes to hell? That sure must make things simple. :rolleyes:

[ticbeast]

If creationism is so real then why can you not give any proof for it or any facts negating evolution?

[Red Dragon]

Sorry bout that,

1. You folks blast away, I have met *The Lord*.
2. And I know from what parts I came from and into what place I shall go.
3. You may not ever have the assurance I live with.
4. It must be very sad to believe that when you die and are buried, you will end all life, and enter into blackness.
5. That alone should make the average human being scream in anger towards the unknown Gawd.
6. Just the thought that some here think you head for a black abyss is a complete nightmare.
7. But there is hope, and it can only be found in *Jesus Christ*, *The Lord.*

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


1. That's great but I don't really care.
2. Uh yeah the bible says you came from two people and their kids which means pretty much everyone is an inbreed. No wait that might actaully explain some things.
3. That's because I question my values daily and never take any of my morals for granted.
4. No not really I'd probably get bored up in heaven, and well hell is a bad place because the bathroom lines are very long and the walls are on fire.
5. No not really it actually makes the world see more beautiful to me.
6. That's your opinion and I'll respect it even though I disagree with it.
7. Well there go all the Buddhists.

Now getting away from my humor Chess I would like to bring the evolution=Atheism argument. It doesn't work that way; evolution never has said the gods don't exist. Besides Chess the bible is thousands of years old and is the result of copies of copies of copies of translations of translations. Some of the stuff in there may have mixed up a bit, so it's not very logical to take the bible literally especially when dealing with the creation of life. Also Chess please answer tic beasts question I would be delighted to see you your views on why evolution didn't happen.

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. You folks blast away, I have met *The Lord*.

Yeah, well I too have seen God a few times........mostly in my youth and after a bit of acid.

4. It must be very sad to believe that when you die and are buried, you will end all life, and enter into blackness.
5. That alone should make the average human being scream in anger towards the unknown Gawd.
6. Just the thought that some here think you head for a black abyss is a complete nightmare.

Actually, most of us here don't believe that.

[potter]

Sorry bout that,

1. You folks blast away, I have met *The Lord*.

Yeah, well I too have seen God a few times........mostly in my youth and after a bit of acid.


That'll do it :D:D:D:D