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ECW
02-13-2007, 03:41 PM
Seems like this administration is holding true to form to the very end. Do nothing to promote our own shrinking manufacturing base while allowing the Chinese to sell us their slave-labor made goods at a ridiculous rate. Like I stated before, if George Walker Bush had a choice between doing something good for big business and doing something good for the people, he picks big business everytime. It's a Neocon show job that is even deeper than the snow that hit upstate New York this week.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The U.S. trade deficit jumped 6.5 percent to a record $763.6 billion last year as high oil prices and Americans' appetite for foreign-made goods outpaced strong exports.

The deficit came even as U.S. exports surged to a record $1.44 trillion last year, up 12.3 percent from 2005. But imports also jumped, up 10.5 percent to about $2.20 trillion for the year.

Even with exports growing, the deficit was a drag on the economy, as it meant that every man, woman and child spent an average of about $7,300 on imported goods and services during the year, turning to factories overseas rather than U.S. producers for the products they wanted.

A tale of two factories

By many measures the deficit was stunning. It equaled roughly $24,000 a second, or enough to buy a Toyota Prius hybrid car and enough gas to drive it more than 50,000 miles.

The gap is now so large that exports would have to grow more than 50 percent faster than imports for the trade gap simply to stay at last year's level.

Still, some economists argue that the trade deficit isn't necessarily a bad thing. They say it helps keep inflation in check since overseas goods are often less costly than goods made at home, and helps the competitiveness of the U.S. businesses and economy.

And the gap isn't much of a problem in the short term as long as our trading partners take the dollars they get from those sales and invest them here, as they have been doing.

"We are buying imports cheaper than we'd be able to produce them here ourselves," said Jay Bryson, an international economist with Wachovia.

But, he cautioned, the growth of the trade gap cannot continue indefinitely. "Eventually we'll have to start paying this borrowing off to the rest of the world," he said. "So in the future our standard of living could suffer."

How quick the bill for the imports comes due will influence how much pain it might cause the U.S. economy. "The quickest way to bring about a big decline in the trade gap to have a recession," said Bryson. "I don't think anyone is advocating that."

For December, the deficit hit $61.2 billion, up from $58.1 billion in November. That was more than the forecast of a December trade deficit of $59.5 billion.

Record oil prices during the year were a major factor in the widening trade gap for the year, even though oil prices retreated in the fourth quarter. For the year, the average price of a barrel of imported oil came in at $58, up 24 percent from the 2005 average.

Imports about to overtake Big Three

But the trade gap also rose for non-petroleum goods as well. Among the factors was the loss of market share by U.S. automakers such as General Motors (Charts), Ford Motor (Charts) and the Chrysler Group unit of DaimlerChrysler (Charts) to Asian-based brands such as Toyota Motor (Charts) and Honda Motor (Charts). The imports of autos and auto parts rose by $17.1 billion during the year.

In addition, the U.S. consumer eagerly grabbed up goods from low-priced clothing to expensive big-screen televisions made overseas. Consumer goods saw a $35.7 billion rise in imports last year, while the import of computers and other expensive capital equipment jumped $39.3 billion during the year.

Aircraft maker Boeing (Charts), the nation's largest exporter, had a strong sales year and saw exports of civilian aircraft and parts rise $11.4 billion during the year.

By country, the United States posted the biggest deficit with China, whose exports here outstripped its imports of U.S. goods by $232.5 billion, up 15.4 percent from 2005.

The rising China-U.S. trade gap has sparked calls in Congress for tariffs on Chinese goods unless the Chinese currency, the yuan, is allowed to trade higher in open markets rather than being pegged to the dollar. Several members of Congress are prepared to unveil the latest legislative push along those lines Wednesday morning.

The trade report also came the day after the Bush administration asked Congress to extend the president's so-called "fast-track" authority to negotiate trade agreements that Congress can't change, but rather are subject only to an up-or-down vote on Capitol Hill.

The U.S. Business and Industry Council, a group of small and mid-size businesses critical of the Bush administration's trade record and supportive of a tougher stance on the Chinese yuan, said the trade report shows the administration should not be extended fast-track authority for another year.

"If President Bush deserves blank-check trade negotiating authority from Congress with this record, then Paris Hilton deserves to be Girl Scout of the Year," said Alan Tonelson, a research fellow with the group. ~link~ (http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/13/news/economy/trade_gap/index.htm?eref=rss_topstories)

lily
02-13-2007, 11:04 PM
But the trade gap also rose for non-petroleum goods as well. Among the factors was the loss of market share by U.S. automakers such as General Motors (Charts), Ford Motor (Charts) and the Chrysler Group unit of DaimlerChrysler (Charts) to Asian-based brands such as Toyota Motor (Charts) and Honda Motor (Charts). The imports of autos and auto parts rose by $17.1 billion during the year.

I'm telling you, things are getting rough here in the Motor City. I've seen hard times, but never like this.



By country, the United States posted the biggest deficit with China, whose exports here outstripped its imports of U.S. goods by $232.5 billion, up 15.4 percent from 2005.

I havet o laugh at this one. Picked up a Playstation 3 Last month. Now Sony has it's base in New York and it's headquarters in Tokyo. Every single thing, all the way down to the cables was made in China.

Labrocca
02-13-2007, 11:23 PM
Yes I wish more was done to boost American made goods. However you have no one to blame but Americans.Â*Â*Buy a damn American car.Â*Â*Stop buying from Walmart!

And you think the raise in the minimum wage helped any? Already states like Arizona are reporting higher than usual unemployment and it's blamed solely in the wage increase.

ECW
02-14-2007, 04:49 AM
Yes I wish more was done to boost American made goods. However you have no one to blame but Americans.Â*Â*Buy a damn American car.Â*Â*Stop buying from Walmart!

And you think the raise in the minimum wage helped any?Â*Â*Already states like Arizona are reporting higher than usual unemployment and it's blamed solely in the wage increase.

I always buy the American product when there is a choice even if the price is higher. Always. I have had an American car since 1982. I never buy anything from Walmart.

Bring back a link for that Arizona story.

lily
02-14-2007, 10:53 PM
Yes I wish more was done to boost American made goods. However you have no one to blame but Americans.Â*Â*Buy a damn American car.Â*Â*

We buy what we make, as does our extended families.......from all 3 auto makers. Hell, the discount alone is insentive enough!

AlonzoMourning23
02-14-2007, 11:01 PM
I like buying local things, and things from small manufacturers. But when it comes to buying from companies like microsoft or sony, I go with whichever company has the better product.

Though, as for cars, every car I've looked at has been foreign. Never seriously considered an american car, they generally don't rate as reliable and the gas mileage isn't there. The closest I ever got to considering an american car was the pontiac vibe. It's not american, and was actually made by mostly by toyota, but it's the only non asian car I've looked at.

I don't shop at walmart though.

Drocket
02-14-2007, 11:36 PM
Buy a damn American car. Stop buying from Walmart!

Ironically, buying an "American car" is probably the number one way to INCREASE the trade deficit - most so-called American cars are all but entirely manufactured in Mexico and China, with little more than final assembly done in the US (if that, in many cases.) If you actually want to support the American economy, buy a Japanese car...

As for Walmart, I almost never purchase anything there. Sam's Club, on the other hand... I don't think I can give them up. Where else can I get a 3-pack of beef jerky for $8, or three pounds of cashews for $10? I wish there was a Costco or something around here...

Elrathin
02-15-2007, 02:11 AM
Buy a damn American car.


I will when America decides to actual build a good, long lasting, car instead of the cheap P.O.S. it has been.

firefox
02-16-2007, 07:40 AM
Don't hate me but I'm looking for a used Subaru or Honda Element... ;)

The only way to balance trade is to return to a system of sound money backed by commodities and no fractional reserve banking. Also, all tariffs, subsidies, and other forms of corporate welfare must go. America was economically great because its economy didn't used to have huge government imposed overheads like it does today.

ECW
02-17-2007, 05:08 AM
Corporate welfare, denial of workers' rights and the interest on our debt is what is killing this country.

firefox
02-18-2007, 01:20 AM
I agree, ECW. The minimum wage and other restrictions on employees and employers are definately propping up many corrupt enterprises at the expense of the middle and lower classes!

potter
02-18-2007, 02:01 PM
Yes I wish more was done to boost American made goods. However you have no one to blame but Americans.��Buy a damn American car.��Stop buying from Walmart!

And you think the raise in the minimum wage helped any? Already states like Arizona are reporting higher than usual unemployment and it's blamed solely in the wage increase.



That's a red herring. The reason we don't buy American made goods is because Americans are too cheap to pay another American a living wage to manufacture those goods. We like our fancy life styles and cheap goods, even if it means losing our manufacturing base.

I try to by US whenever I can, from Amish furninature to US made cars. Any more though the opportunity to buy US is no longer there. Try finding US made underwear.....

And hats off to Motor City Lily, the stuff coming out of Michigan is first rate. I just bought my wife a new Buick that can easily compete with the imports.

lily
02-19-2007, 02:11 AM
And hats off to Motor City Lily, the stuff coming out of Michigan is first rate. I just bought my wife a new Buick that can easily compete with the imports.


A Buick.....that would be my brother in law's work.:D

firefox
02-19-2007, 02:20 AM
Potter, why do you think so many companies are moving their labor overseas?

potter
02-19-2007, 03:39 PM
Potter, why do you think so many companies are moving their labor overseas?


Because the American public will not pay other Americans a living wage to produce the products. We want our fancy gadgets and "all that stuff" but we don't want to pay anything for it.

The company at which I work sources all products from China because there is no one here in America who will pay what it would cost to produce it here.

In the long run, we'll only end up shooting ourselves in the foot.

Labrocca
02-19-2007, 10:43 PM
I got actually totally disgusted on my Disney vacation when I say that all the products were pretty much made in China. Now that in itself isn't terrible heck it's practically expected...what I didn't expect was the price for chinese goods.

Like a baseball cap was $25! Normally $10-$15 elsewhere. Shirts were like $55 that would be $25-$30 elsewhere. Now I know all about making a buck but DAMN..this is Disney and you wonder what Walt would think. If you are gonna rape the American consumer on his vacation at least give them some jobs too!

I am really turned off now from buying Disney products. $25 for a hat!...made in China! Delivered to California...cmon! Cost on that must be like $2 at most. If you charge $25 you might as well pay Americans to build it...man I am still pissed about that. I think it's something that for years is gonna stick with me and I will rant about for years to come. I should practically start a blog just to rant about it every week.

BAH!

Drocket
02-19-2007, 11:22 PM
this is Disney and you wonder what Walt would think.

Walt would be overjoyed at exploiting the chinks for slave labor. Then he'd join Mel Gibson to make a string of anti-semitic movies. Walt's image has been more than a little white-washed over the years...

firefox
02-20-2007, 10:19 PM
Don't complain about the cheap/overpriced merch. If you don't support it, don't buy it! You aren't being forced to take their wares. Instead, support higher working standards by buying better products, such as Fair Trade Certified coffee, etc. Oppose barriers to trade such as tariffs, subsidies, and other various legal restrictions on productivity. This will make American workers competitive again.

1Samuel8
05-16-2007, 02:02 PM
Because the American public will not pay other Americans a living wage to produce the products. We want our fancy gadgets and "all that stuff" but we don't want to pay anything for it.A living wage??? What is that supposed to mean?

The American public does not pay any wage -- living or otherwise -- to any other American. An American pays for merchandise. It makes no sense to talk about American jobs without talking about American benefits and savings from imports. There are two sides to the coin and nobody owes anybody else a job.

If the Sun gave us light and warmth for free, your logic would say that the Sun denies "a living wage" to people who work in the heating and lighting industries.
Your logic also says that the automobile industry put the horse-trader out of business -- we should subsidize "a living wage" for the horse-and-buggy drivers of the world.

bobbylien
05-16-2007, 02:27 PM
Because the American public will not pay other Americans a living wage to produce the products. We want our fancy gadgets and "all that stuff" but we don't want to pay anything for it.A living wage??? What is that supposed to mean?

The American public does not pay any wage -- living or otherwise -- to any other American. An American pays for merchandise. It makes no sense to talk about American jobs without talking about American benefits and savings from imports. There are two sides to the coin and nobody owes anybody else a job.

If the Sun gave us light and warmth for free, your logic would say that the Sun denies "a living wage" to people who work in the heating and lighting industries.
Your logic also says that the automobile industry put the horse-trader out of business -- we should subsidize "a living wage" for the horse-and-buggy drivers of the world.

Is that you Nathan Brazil? :D

1Samuel8
05-16-2007, 05:24 PM
Is that you Nathan Brazil? :DNo.

Truth_and_Power
05-16-2007, 05:45 PM
How is it that europe has a decent manufacturing base and we do not? All this talk about china this china that, globalization, etc ignores the fact that not all developed nations have a manufacturing problem.

Leopardpm
05-16-2007, 06:20 PM
The Trade Deficit is meaningless, the 'real' problem is how these purchases (ANY purchases, whether from foreign countries or domestic) are financed... we are buying things on credit and THAT is the problem. Our government does this to great extent, but also the average american is greatly increasing their debt load and not saving.

Truth_and_Power
05-16-2007, 06:25 PM
The Trade Deficit is meaningless, the 'real' problem is how these purchases (ANY purchases, whether from foreign countries or domestic) are financed... we are buying things on credit and THAT is the problem.Â*Â*Our government does this to great extent, but also the average american is greatly increasing their debt load and not saving.


Not me! Hopefully I don't get screwed by the collective despite my responsibility.

Leopardpm
05-16-2007, 06:54 PM
Not me! Hopefully I don't get screwed by the collective despite my responsibility.


unfortunately, I think most everyone will get screwed in one way or another. I have been trying to figure out ways to hedge against this upcoming problem and its gonna be tough unless you 'go with the flow' and use debt to purchase capital goods which can earn an income in the future.

One definite advantage would be to lower your cost of living expenses (own your home outright, etc). If the crash occurs while we are still bottoming out in the housing sector, then a house purchase at that time would be a good move, possibly.

In general, those at the lower end of the wealth spectrum will be hit the worst, especially those on fixed incomes. I would also recommend investing in movable assets which are not exclusively denominated in dollars (which goes AGAINST the whole owning a house thing I said before, argh!).

Anyways, who knows when and where things will start tearing apart, I am definitely no prophet or soothsayer. I think you being responsible regarding your finances will not become something 'against' you, you will just suffer much less than those without these qualities.

Truth_and_Power
05-16-2007, 07:46 PM
I think the trick is going to be to shelter your money outside the u.s.. We will drag the rest of the world down with us, but they won't fall as far as we do. When you consider our looming debt as well as the lack of preparedness of our country for the retirement of the baby boomers (and their steadily disappearing investment dollars), it seems that a crash of some kind is inevitable in the 5-20 year timeframe. Of course as the crash ends the wise thing would probably be to bring your money back in the country and "buy while there's blood in the streets". Unfortunately, the rich will remove their money from the country even quicker than I will, which will exacerbate the crash.

firefox
05-17-2007, 01:24 AM
Two words: Precious Metals!

Big Dave
07-06-2007, 12:00 AM
As long as the Iron Triangle of excessive taxation, excessive regualtion, and excessive litigation continue unabated, it is simply too expensive to make anything in the US. Foreign competitors do not have to put up with the EPA or Sarbanes-Oxley so they beat the socks off US-made products in price.

Are you ready to roll back taxation, regulation, and litigation on the manufacturing sector?

firefox
07-06-2007, 08:26 AM
Me! Me! Pick me! :D