If Hillary is elected?

[Labrocca]

I just want to know mostly from the Dems but everyone can chime in. What do you THINK will happen if Hillary is elected as President? How will it change the country? How will it effect our global political landscape? What about our economy?

Will the liberals and Dems on the left be happy if Hillary is elected? What will they expect from her? What do YOU expect from a Hillary presidency?

[lily]

While I would love to be alive when the first woman president was elected, it's not going to be Hillary.

[Labrocca]

The question is hypothetical. Pretend she is elected.

[AlonzoMourning23]

What do you THINK will happen if Hillary is elected as President?

Limbaugh will overdose on prescription meds.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if she was elected, the neolib media would paint everything with a smile and two flowers on top.
2. Everything would be fantastic!
3. Even thou the sh!t would be hitting the fan.
4. "Ahhh its a great day for the Empire!"
5. They would be saying.
6. As the economy begins to slide down into a pit of harry goo.
7. Yes the neolib media calls the shots folks, but that is steadily changing.
8. The Internet is just about to catch up, and the Talk Radio, is still ripping up the scene.
9. Okay you Democratics turn, sorry for the drama,.Hehehehehehe,.....

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Senator Clinton isn't my first choice as the democratic nominee. She is, however, a real democrat, though further to the right of the democratic spectrum than I'd like to see. If she wins the nomination, I'll support her, and I suspect she'll win.

If she wins, she'll lead from the center, and I suspect that she'll have a friendly congress, at least for the first term. The nature of our crises will undoubtedly change from the stupid foreign policy venturism to a new emphasis on cooperative action to forestall global climate change. With that, I'd hope to see a realistic effort to curb the corporate global economy--but given how far we've gone down that road already, it may be a vain hope.

I think we can expect to see solid beginnings to a universal health care system, given the fact that democrats (and others) have been working toward it for more than 60 years. A concomitant goal would be slowing and eventually stopping the trend toward privatizing government activities. I'd like to see that come to an abrupt halt, particularly with regard to the use of mercenary troops to fight our wars.

It will be no millenium: Gingrich the Newt and others of his ilk are still out there, snapping at the fringes of human decency. Fools like the senators from Oklahoma will still look for opportunities to display their stupidity. And I learned a LONG time ago never to over-estimate the ability of large groups of people to act intelligently in their own interest.

If President Clinton is able to wrest economic decision-making authority away from the energy industry and the multinational corporate entities, the economy might take a turn for the better. However, I think the leadership in that area might need to come from outside government--maybe someone like Bill Gates.

I have no fears or misgivings about the gender or skin color of our next president. None. But God, I pray that we get a truly sentient being next time. The last two presidential elections have proven how horribly it's possible to go wrong on that one.

[ECW]

John Edwards is my choice for president but if Hillary is elected I predict you will see a much more open government than the secretive one we have now. The War in Iraq will be over. There will be REAL progress in the Arab-Israeli crisis, global warming, budget deficits, health care, education, and hundreds of other issues that have been shuttled to the side by this administration.

We won't see an amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage or flag burning or more tax cuts for those who need them the least. Republicans will bring out all their old HATER literature and Karl Rove will be kept busy manufacturing lies about how Hillary murdered Bill's political opponents, bribed Whitewater investigators, and killed baby seals during her summer internship to Canada.

As long as she fixes all the crap that Chimpy broke over the previous eight years, I'll be moderately happy about it.

[Drocket]

I somewhat agree with Buck Laser, but I think he's pretty overly-optimistic. I think Hillary would be a decent president, but far from an impressive one (of course, I also think even a sub-par president would be infinitely superior to Bush...)

In terms of specifics: I think Hillary would start by staffing her cabinet and other government positions with people who actually have a clue about what they're doing instead of basing hiring entirely on political persuasion, donations, and who they know. That alone is a world above where we are now - imagine having people with actual experience dealing with disasters, instead of a horse-lawyer trying to deal with a hurricane, or diplomats who have a clue about what's going on in the middle-east instead of not having a clue that the Sunni and Shia division even exists until the blood starts to run...

She'd also let the experts do their job, so that we wouldn't have environmental scientists who have been orders to hide evidence of climate change, NASA scientists ordered to pretend that creationism is a valid 'theory', and crap of that sort. This, of course, is going to mean that we'll need to start dealing with global warming instead of just plugging our ears and humming loudly. Unfortunately, though, I don't think Hillary is going to lead on global warming nearly as much as we need to have someone lead. Hopefully, though, she'll at least work on that enough to get us to the point where at least our carbon output isn't growing each and every year...

I really don't think she'll make any real efforts towards universal health care. Even though the medical industry fear-mongered and distorted her position in the 90's to look somewhat like that, she never was a proponent of anything more than minor tweaks to the existing system, and she's backed off even most of that.

The worst part of Hillary being elected is, of course, that it means we'll have to discuss Bill's penis continuously for another 4/8 years, and I'm not sure if I can stand that. I'd love to see a woman as president, though - I think we're long, long overdue for that (although probably not quite as overdue as we are for a minority.)

Anyway, Hillary is far from my first choice, but I think she'd do a passable job.

[Nitrus]

Ive said this once and I will say it again... America NEEDS a female president, for the good of the world.... sure, I would like it to be someone other than clinton, but why the hell not?

[Waffletush]

If Hillary serves a second term as President, I see the Arab countries (especially the hard liners) excited to negotiate with a woman who is considered 'equal' to them.

[Buck Laser]

If Hillary serves a second term as President, I see the Arab countries (especially the hard liners) excited to negotiate with a woman who is considered 'equal' to them.

I'm not sure why you'd consider that a second-term issue, really. But if you're suggesting that some Arabs think President Clinton would be "easy," I'd have to say, with the greatest possible respect, that your head is firmly stuck up your ass.

Senator Clinton has proven herself and adept negotiator during her first term in the senate, and her foreign policy ability would be the least of my worries. Perhaps what I find most impressive is that she's not wed to some particular ideology, as so many of the conservative members of DF seem to be.

Personally, with regard to foreign policy, I'd like to see someone in office who has no identification with the neo-conservative agenda, since it's been shown so conclusively to be wrong in every possible way. Frankly, at this juncture, I don't know who that might be. But since Bill Richardson is about the only presidential hopeful who has any track record in diplomacy, it couldn't hurt to look closer.

[AlonzoMourning23]

If Hillary serves a second term as President, I see the Arab countries (especially the hard liners) excited to negotiate with a woman who is considered 'equal' to them.


I don't think arab countries would think much. That's assuming that by arab you mean muslim, since Pakistan had a powerful female PM before.

[J316]

John Edwards is my choice for president but if Hillary is elected I predict you will see a much more open government than the secretive one we have now. The War in Iraq will be over. There will be REAL progress in the Arab-Israeli crisis, global warming, budget deficits, health care, education, and hundreds of other issues that have been shuttled to the side by this administration.




REAL progress, HA! if hillary gets in, the islam extremists and the Arabs (not all of them, some are good people, but a vast magority in the middle east) will bomb us off the face of the earth. there will not be any "progress" with terrorism either. Iraq will be lost, an the americans work will be for nothing. terrorists and iran will bomb us an what will Hillary and the Dems do? sit and watch.

just wait and see.

[Buck Laser]

John Edwards is my choice for president but if Hillary is elected I predict you will see a much more open government than the secretive one we have now. The War in Iraq will be over. There will be REAL progress in the Arab-Israeli crisis, global warming, budget deficits, health care, education, and hundreds of other issues that have been shuttled to the side by this administration.


REAL progress, HA! if hillary gets in, the islam extremists and the Arabs (not all of them, some are good people, but a vast magority in the middle east) will bomb us off the face of the earth. there will not be any "progress" with terrorism either. Iraq will be lost, an the americans work will be for nothing. terrorists and iran will bomb us an what will Hillary and the Dems do? sit and watch.

just wait and see.

Do you have any basis for this off-the-wall claim, or are you just making it up as you go?

[Elrathin]

REAL progress, HA! if hillary gets in, the islam extremists and the Arabs (not all of them, some are good people, but a vast magority in the middle east) will bomb us off the face of the earth. there will not be any "progress" with terrorism either. Iraq will be lost, an the americans work will be for nothing. terrorists and iran will bomb us an what will Hillary and the Dems do? sit and watch.

just wait and see.


It's really funny to hear conservatives complain about the Democrats being nothing but doom and gloom and then read this from a conservative. :D

[BoogyMan]

I'm not sure why you'd consider that a second-term issue, really. But if you're suggesting that some Arabs think President Clinton would be "easy," I'd have to say, with the greatest possible respect, that your head is firmly stuck up your ass.

Wow, arrogant commentary from Buck Laser? Whoda thunk it. :D

Senator Clinton has proven herself and adept negotiator during her first term in the senate, and her foreign policy ability would be the least of my worries. Perhaps what I find most impressive is that she's not wed to some particular ideology, as so many of the conservative members of DF seem to be.

What you just said Buck, was that Hillary doesn't believe in anything. She has no core value set that guides her. It is interesting that you value the fact that she is basically an empty shell that will change daily based on polling.

[Buck Laser]

I'm not sure why you'd consider that a second-term issue, really. But if you're suggesting that some Arabs think President Clinton would be "easy," I'd have to say, with the greatest possible respect, that your head is firmly stuck up your ass.

Wow, arrogant commentary from Buck Laser? Whoda thunk it. :D

Senator Clinton has proven herself and adept negotiator during her first term in the senate, and her foreign policy ability would be the least of my worries. Perhaps what I find most impressive is that she's not wed to some particular ideology, as so many of the conservative members of DF seem to be.

What you just said Buck, was that Hillary doesn't believe in anything. She has no core value set that guides her. It is interesting that you value the fact that she is basically an empty shell that will change daily based on polling.


Sorry, Boogy, but that's a complete, utter, and unforgivable lie. And you know it. You keep poking, prodding, making nasty little comments like this, hoping you can get my goat. Well, boyo, [/b]you got it!!!![/b]

As you well know, I have "campaigned" against ideologues very consistently since my very first posts here. I have no patience with the ideologue who applies some test of "principle," and who justifies a refusal to participate in the political process because "compromise" is against his/her "principles." That's one of my problems with most libertarians, even though I admire some of their ideas. Yes, excessive flexibility can be a problem, too. But politics is the art of the possible, and I have always lived in a world where negotiation is the way decisions are made. Compromise may be a dirty word to you, but it's one of the things that makes it possible for people to live together in relative harmony.

I've always suspected you've seen yourself as an "agitator" who can quickly hide behind his principles when challenged. Unlike you, I don't view politics as a game to be played: for me, it's the arena where the decisions that affect the lives of every single one of us are made.

Now go ahead and find a point to nit-pick and jerk off to the satisfaction of having bested me in your imagination again. I'm finding your tergiversation just a little too much to take.

Oh, and thank you for saying you're glad I'm feeling better, but trying to converse with you always makes me feel worse.

[BoogyMan]

Senator Clinton has proven herself and adept negotiator during her first term in the senate, and her foreign policy ability would be the least of my worries. Perhaps what I find most impressive is that she's not wed to some particular ideology, as so many of the conservative members of DF seem to be.

What you just said Buck, was that Hillary doesn't believe in anything. She has no core value set that guides her. It is interesting that you value the fact that she is basically an empty shell that will change daily based on polling.


Sorry, Boogy, but that's a complete, utter, and unforgivable lie. And you know it. You keep poking, prodding, making nasty little comments like this, hoping you can get my goat. Well, boyo, you got it!!!!

No Buck, it is the natural extension of your commentary.

As you well know, I have "campaigned" against ideologues very consistently since my very first posts here. I have no patience with the ideologue who applies some test of "principle," and who justifies a refusal to participate in the political process because "compromise" is against his/her "principles." That's one of my problems with most libertarians, even though I admire some of their ideas. Yes, excessive flexibility can be a problem, too. But politics is the art of the possible, and I have always lived in a world where negotiation is the way decisions are made. Compromise may be a dirty word to you, but it's one of the things that makes it possible for people to live together in relative harmony.

There is a difference between compromise and a "for rent" ideological system. I don't know where you get the compromise is a dirty word garbage.

I've always suspected you've seen yourself as an "agitator" who can quickly hide behind his principles when challenged. Unlike you, I don't view politics as a game to be played: for me, it's the arena where the decisions that affect the lives of every single one of us are made.

In the dearth of ideologies of the left I am not surprised that when presented with a challenge to your belief that Hillary can do no wrong, you would resort to baser instincts and take cheap shots like the one above. You do realize this site is about DEBATE, right Buck?

Now go ahead and find a point to nit-pick and jerk off to the satisfaction of having bested me in your imagination again. I'm finding your tergiversation just a little too much to take.

This is completely out of line Buck.

Do you even know what tergiversation means? It doesn't support your rant.

Oh, and thank you for saying you're glad I'm feeling better, but trying to converse with you always makes me feel worse.


I don't see how Buck, you haven't made a single attempt to discuss anything. I make a comment about Hillary based on my view and you have a hissy fit and accuse me of all sorts of things.