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ECW
02-03-2007, 06:31 AM
WASHINGTON — A former Time magazine reporter said Wednesday that it was President Bush's political advisor, Karl Rove, who first revealed to him that the wife of an administration critic worked for the CIA.

The testimony by Matthew Cooper could help former Vice Presidential aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who is on trial for perjury and obstruction of justice.

As the White House pushed back in the summer of 2003 against questions that former envoy Joseph C. Wilson IV was raising about the war in Iraq, Rove divulged that Wilson's wife was a CIA employee, Cooper testified. It was a day later that he spoke with Libby about Wilson's wife and that Libby only confirmed information that Rove had already told him, Cooper said.

Libby is charged with lying to investigators about conversations he had with Cooper and two other journalists and thereby obstructing a federal probe into how the identity of Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, became public.

Libby's lawyers have portrayed him as a scapegoat caught up in the federal investigation about the outing of Plame, an arms-proliferation specialist for the agency. Rove was never charged with any crimes.

Cooper testified on a day when the defense signaled a broadening attack on the government's media witnesses.

William H. Jeffress Jr., one of Libby's lawyers, told U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton that the defense planned to call the managing editor of the New York Times, Jill Abramson, to discredit a former Times reporter, Judith Miller, who completed a second day of testimony Wednesday morning.

Miller gave accounts of three discussions with Libby in which he conveyed to her information about Plame. But the defense intends to show that she misled her editors about those conversations.

Jeffress said he anticipated that the newspaper would fight the subpoena for Abramson, which could delay the trial.

Special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald said Wednesday that the government expected to finish presenting its case early next week.

The Plame intrigue began to unfold after Wilson wrote an opinion article in the New York Times on July 6, 2003, that attacked the Bush administration for twisting the intelligence it used to go to war in Iraq.

He based his view on a CIA-sponsored trip he had made to Niger to assess whether Iraq had tried to buy weapons-grade uranium for a nuclear weapons program.

Bush had declared in his 2003 State of the Union address that Iraq was seeking materials for nuclear weapons in Africa. Wilson wrote that his trip to Niger proved the claim baseless. The White House was soon forced to admit that it should not have included the claim in the Bush address.

Eight days later, Plame's identity as a CIA operative married to Wilson surfaced in a syndicated column by Robert Novak that raised questions about her role in Wilson's trip to Africa.

Cooper, then Time magazine's White House correspondent, began reporting what he saw as a major battle between Wilson and the Bush administration over whether the president had misled the public about the march to war. He subsequently spoke with Rove on July 11.

"He immediately said, 'Don't get too far out on Wilson,' which I took to mean, 'Don't lionize Ambassador Wilson, don't idolize him,' " Cooper said, under questioning by Fitzgerald.

"He said that the director of the CIA had not sent him [to Africa]. The vice president had not been involved in sending him."

Cooper said he then asked Rove who was involved.

"He said, 'Like his wife,' At that point I did not know Wilson had a wife. I said, 'The wife?' He said she worked on weapons of mass destruction at the agency," Cooper said.

"By that, I took it to mean the Central Intelligence Agency, not the Environmental Protection Agency. We talked about it a bit more, he said words to the effect, "I've already said too much, I've got to go.' "
~link~ (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-libby1feb01,1,5424896.story?track=rss)

So, despite all the shananigans, it WAS Rove that outed Valerie Plame after all. And what about Bush's promise to fire anyone involved in that outing? Another lie, that's all.

BoogyMan
02-03-2007, 05:41 PM
Only if you are drinking the kool-aid!


Source: Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/)

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Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity. "I'm afraid I may be the guy that caused this whole thing," he later told Carl Ford Jr., State's intelligence chief. Ford says Armitage admitted to him that he had "slipped up" and told Novak more than he should have. "He was basically beside himself that he was the guy that f---ed up. My sense from Rich is that it was just chitchat," Ford recalls in "Hubris," to be published next week by Crown and co-written by the author of this article and David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation magazine.

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Stoner
02-03-2007, 06:50 PM
Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity. "I'm afraid I may be the guy that caused this whole thing," he later told Carl Ford Jr., State's intelligence chief. Ford says Armitage admitted to him that he had "slipped up" and told Novak more than he should have. "He was basically beside himself that he was the guy that f---ed up. My sense from Rich is that it was just chitchat," Ford recalls in "Hubris," to be published next week by Crown and co-written by the author of this article and David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation magazine.



Looks like ECW loses yet again.

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ECW
02-04-2007, 06:33 AM
Only if you are drinking the kool-aid!


Source: Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/)

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Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity. "I'm afraid I may be the guy that caused this whole thing," he later told Carl Ford Jr., State's intelligence chief. Ford says Armitage admitted to him that he had "slipped up" and told Novak more than he should have. "He was basically beside himself that he was the guy that f---ed up. My sense from Rich is that it was just chitchat," Ford recalls in "Hubris," to be published next week by Crown and co-written by the author of this article and David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation magazine.

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From the same article:

Karl Rove confirmed to Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and days later offered the same information to Time reporter Matt Cooper.

If you tried reading the WHOLE article instead of only part of it next time, you wouldn't get your tit in a wringer so often. Try the sour grape kool-aid. It suits you better.

ECW
02-04-2007, 06:38 AM
Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity. "I'm afraid I may be the guy that caused this whole thing," he later told Carl Ford Jr., State's intelligence chief. Ford says Armitage admitted to him that he had "slipped up" and told Novak more than he should have. "He was basically beside himself that he was the guy that f---ed up. My sense from Rich is that it was just chitchat," Ford recalls in "Hubris," to be published next week by Crown and co-written by the author of this article and David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation magazine.



Looks like ECW loses yet again.

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Looks like you were wrong again. Smoking so much dope will do that to one's meager debating skills. http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10657.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

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BoogyMan
02-04-2007, 05:57 PM
Karl Rove confirmed to Novak that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, and days later offered the same information to Time reporter Matt Cooper.

If you tried reading the WHOLE article instead of only part of it next time, you wouldn't get your tit in a wringer so often. Try the sour grape kool-aid. It suits you better.


ECW, I read the whole article 3 times trying to find where it states and substantiates another of your false claims that Rove was the original leaker as you tried to say he was. The truth just doesn't bear out your hate based assertions and no amount of RDS is going to change the admission made by Mr. Armitage.

lily
02-05-2007, 02:25 AM
May I suggest you read page 2 of the article you linked to Boogy and offer ECW an apology?

BoogyMan
02-05-2007, 02:32 AM
May I suggest you read page 2 of the article you linked to Boogy and offer ECW an apology?


You may suggest away Lily, but since it is obvious you didn't read my commentary I don't expect you to understand my position. From my first posting I objected to Rove being seen as THE leaker, the initial leaker. No apology is needed as Armitage IS the starting point for this whole mess.

lily
02-05-2007, 02:37 AM
From my first posting I objected to Rove being seen as THE leaker, the initial leaker.


If that's what you say, I'm not going to argue with you. Object away. Your article doesn't back you up, but that's never stopped you. But it will sell books.

You have a nice day.:D

BoogyMan
02-05-2007, 03:00 AM
Bwahahahahahahahhaa. It completely backs me up! I understand that too much kool-aid is bad for you. I have included a couple of sections for your perusal since you obviously didn't read them.

Oh, and then there is Armitage's confession, but I wouldn't want you to let any of that truth stuff stand in your way.

Months earlier, Novak had caused a huge stir when he revealed that Valerie Plame, wife of Iraq-war critic Joseph Wilson, was a CIA officer. Ever since, Washington had been trying to find out who leaked the information to Novak. The columnist himself had kept quiet. But now, in a second column, Novak provided a tantalizing clue: his primary source, he wrote, was a "senior administration official" who was "not a partisan gunslinger." Armitage was shaken. After reading the column, he knew immediately who the leaker was. On the phone with Powell that morning, Armitage was "in deep distress," says a source directly familiar with the conversation who asked not to be identified because of legal sensitivities. "I'm sure he's talking about me."

Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity. "I'm afraid I may be the guy that caused this whole thing," he later told Carl Ford Jr., State's intelligence chief. Ford says Armitage admitted to him that he had "slipped up" and told Novak more than he should have. "He was basically beside himself that he was the guy that f---ed up. My sense from Rich is that it was just chitchat," Ford recalls in "Hubris," to be published next week by Crown and co-written by the author of this article and David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation magazine.

lily
02-05-2007, 03:22 AM
Bwahahahahahahahhaa.Â*Â*It completely backs me up!Â*Â*

I've already stated if you say so I'm not going to argue with you, You wouldn't admit when you're wrong anyway.

I understand that too much kool-aid is bad for you.

I thank you for your conern. If I may return the favor? The instructions on your medication is not a suggestion.

I have included a couple of sections for your perusal since you obviously didn't read them.

I've read BOTH pages of your article. I have a section in current affairs of the actual trial.

Oh, and then there is Armitage's confession, but I wouldn't want you to let any of that truth stuff stand in your way.


Nor would I want it to stand in his way of selling his book.

BoogyMan
02-05-2007, 03:28 AM
Oh, and then there is Armitage's confession, but I wouldn't want you to let any of that truth stuff stand in your way.


Nor would I want it to stand in his way of selling his book.


This is golden! :D

ECW
02-05-2007, 04:26 AM
Even a slime merchant like Novak never publishes naything without confirmation. Armitage's "confession" was nothing without Rove's confirmation. If Rove had not leaked that to Novak, we still wouldn't know about Plame. People in government whisper things to the press all the time but nothing gets done with it until there is a second source to confirm it. Rove became the second source and, therefore, the source of the leak. Without that Novak has nothing.

You may have read the article 3 times but unless you know the context, you got nothing. As usual.

BoogyMan
02-05-2007, 05:53 PM
Don't let the facts get in your way ECW.

piratemonkey
02-05-2007, 07:30 PM
Â*Â*From my first posting I objected to Rove being seen as THE leaker, the initial leaker.Â*Â*No apology is needed as Armitage IS the starting point for this whole mess.


I don't see where ECW or Lily either claimed he was THE leaker, the initial leaker.

BoogyMan
02-05-2007, 07:32 PM
From my first posting I objected to Rove being seen as THE leaker, the initial leaker. No apology is needed as Armitage IS the starting point for this whole mess.


I don't see where ECW or Lily either claimed he was THE leaker, the initial leaker.


Read the title pirate.

piratemonkey
02-05-2007, 09:29 PM
Read the title pirate.


I read the title as implying that Rove orchestrated the leak, not that he was the original leaker...

I see what you are saying, but it can be read different ways, methinks. I'd bet large amounts of money Rove did, indeed, plan out the leak.

BoogyMan
02-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Read the title pirate.


I read the title as implying that Rove orchestrated the leak, not that he was the original leaker...

I see what you are saying, but it can be read different ways, methinks. I'd bet large amounts of money Rove did, indeed, plan out the leak.


You know what Pirate, it sure is nice to have someone discuss/debate these points with a civil tone. Thanks for that! :D

I don't get the picture of "Darth Rove" that most on the left have.

ECW
03-07-2007, 04:55 AM
Novak attributed his information to "two senior administration officials" -- later identified as President Bush's political adviser, Karl Rove, and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

It was Rove after all. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/06/cia.leak/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)