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AlonzoMourning23
01-31-2007, 03:50 AM
A major international analysis of climate change due Friday will conclude that humankind's reliance on fossil fuels - coal, fuel oil and natural gas - is to blame for global warming, according to three scientists familiar with the research on which it is based.
The gold-standard Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report represents "a real convergence happening here, a consensus that this is a total global no-brainer," says U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, former director of the federal government's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in New Jersey.

"The big message that will come out is the strength of the attribution of the warming to human activities," says researcher Claudia Tebaldi of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo.

Mahlman, who crafted the IPCC language used to define levels of scientific certainty, says the new report will lay the blame at the feet of fossil fuels with "virtual certainty," meaning 99% sure. That's a significant jump from "likely," or 66% sure, in the group's last report in 2001, Mahlman says. His role in this year's effort involved spending two months reviewing the more than 1,600 pages of research that went into the new assessment.

Among the findings, Tebaldi says, is that even if people stopped burning the fossil fuels that release carbon dioxide, the heat-trapping gas blamed most for the warm-up, the effects of higher temperatures, including deadlier heat waves, coastal floods, longer droughts, worse wildfires and higher energy bills, would not go away in our lifetime.

"Most of the carbon dioxide still would just be sitting there, staring at us for the next century," Mahlman says.

"The projections also make clear how much we are already committed" to climate change, Tebaldi says, echoing the comments of more than a dozen IPCC scientists contacted by USA TODAY. Even if every smokestack and tailpipe stops emissions right now, the remaining heat makes further warming inevitable, she says.

The report will resonate worldwide because the current debate over global warming has been more about what is responsible - people or nature? - than about whether it is happening.

President Bush only recently has acknowledged the link, mentioning global warming in last week's State of the Union address. It was the first time he has included climate change in the annual speech before Congress. Bush called for developing renewable and alternative fuels.

The IPCC was established in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Program. This will be its fourth climate assessment since 1990. The last one, in 2001, predicted average global temperatures would rise 2.5 to 10.4 degrees by the end of this century. The rise from 1901 to 2005 was just 1.2 degrees.

The report is the work of more than 2,000 scientists, whose drafts were reviewed by scores of governments, industry and environmental groups. The document is based on research published in the six years since the last report.

The analysis comes at a time when awareness of global warming in the USA and efforts to combat it are more intense than ever. Former vice president Al Gore's climate-change documentary An Inconvenient Truth scored two Oscar nominations last week. Meanwhile, some states and hundreds of American cities are taking steps to curb emissions that intensify the heat-trapping "greenhouse gases" in the atmosphere.

Leaks about droughts, floods

Officially, the panel's 2007 findings are still under wraps, but details have been leaking out for a year, particularly in recent weeks.

News accounts have featured projections of more droughts, floods, shrinking glaciers and rising sea levels.

There is so much media attention now, "I almost think there won't be any surprises compared to six years ago," says Steve Running, a University of Montana ecologist. "When the report came out (in 2001) it was all 'new' news. This time, I think everybody will say, 'Well, yeah, that's already what we've been hearing about.'

" Michael MacCracken, chief scientist for the Climate Institute, a Washington, D.C., think tank, says the studies underlying the report make the broad conclusions clear anyway. A 2005 Nature magazine study, for example, narrowed the 2001 estimate of warmer temperatures to an increase from 2.7 to 8.1 degrees by the year 2100.

Similarly, two Science magazine studies in 2005 of satellite and balloon measurements of temperature confirmed the Earth's atmosphere is warming exactly as predicted from human-caused increases in carbon dioxide.

Wave of new initiatives

What will be released this week is the first of three parts of the report: a scientific synthesis of global warming's physical manifestations that includes measurements and projections of temperature, precipitation, storms, wind, polar melting and sea levels. New this time is a chapter on paleoclimatology, the study of climate change from fossils and the reconstruction of data and clues going back hundreds of thousands of years.

In addition to the extensive scientific conclusions, which MacCracken says have been settled, a short "summary for policymakers" is still being hammered out and will be released Friday in Paris.

The second phase of the report is on the effects of those measured and projected changes and is due in April. A third group's work on ways to try to lessen those impacts is to be released in May.

The IPCC report lands amid a rush of climate-change developments. Sharing the spotlight:

•Congress. After winning a majority in the House and Senate in November's election, Democrats have climate-change bills in the works. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is creating a special committee on climate change. Next week, the House Science and Technology Committee will discuss the IPCC report.

•States. More than 12 states are taking steps to reduce greenhouse gases. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger this month ordered the world's first low-carbon limits on passenger-car fuels in the most populous state. The new standard would reduce the carbon content of transportation fuels at least 10% by the year 2020.

•Cities. More than 375 mayors who have signed pledges since 2005 to cut greenhouse-gas emissions in their communities launched a drive last week for major climate legislation in Congress this year. They represent 56 million people in all 50 states. The day after the State of the Union address, the U.S. Conference of Mayors announced global warming is No. 1 on its top-10 list of priorities.

•Industry. Ten major companies, including industrial giants General Electric, Alcoa and DuPont, joined four environmental and climate groups last week to demand swift passage of federal legislation to cut emissions that worsen warming. Their U.S. Climate Action Partnership says further delay only "increases the risk of unavoidable consequences … at potentially greater economic cost and social disruption."

In their own studies, Tebaldi and her colleagues at NCAR found broad agreement in climate projections for North America by 2100, including a rise in average temperatures from 3 to 9 degrees.

That could lead to more frequent heat waves and more warm nights when daytime temperatures linger longer after sundown, especially in the South and West, Tebaldi's group concluded. NCAR also says increasing rain would soak northern states but bypass the already dry Southwest, where drought would be more common except when torrential rains bring flash floods.

The IPCC report is likely to reflect climate uncertainties and disagreements, too. Scientists have strongly debated the last two years, without resolution, whether global warming intensifies hurricanes.

Rising sea levels are a huge concern for the USA because more than half the population lives within 50 miles of the coastlines, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The 2001 report contained a wide estimate of the rise this century - from 3.5 inches to 34. MacCracken says that projection has fallen to about 20 inches or less.

Such a drop in the top estimate alarms glacier experts such as John Turner of the British Antarctic Survey, who was quoted in the United Kingdom's Guardian newspaper as saying the low projection is "misleading." He says the low number accounts only for the heat-related rise of sea level and slow trickles from ebbing glaciers, and it ignores potential ice-sheet collapses in Antarctica or Greenland.

"Greenland is just a relic of the last Ice Age, after all, just jutting out into the Atlantic, frozen at latitudes further south than anything else," MacCracken says. "What might happen when it gets warmer?"

Are reports too cautious?

MacCracken contends past IPCC reports have been too conservative, partly by design, in warning about the dangers of climate change, especially sea level rise.

"Scientists don't like to be wrong, so they tend to discount the most uncertain things," MacCracken says. "And that's good, but policymakers and risk managers usually want to know the worst case, as well as the middle one, when they plan for things."

Every IPCC report has been controversial. When the 1995 report's economic analysis estimated that the worth of a human life in a developing nation is less than in developed ones, it triggered protests and sit-ins.

In 2005, federal hurricane researcher Chris Landsea resigned from the IPCC, suggesting its hurricane warnings were too overblown and "politicized."

Climate scientist Roger Pielke Sr. of the University of Colorado at Boulder has suggested that development and deforestation, rather than the burning of fossil fuels, are the main drivers behind global warming. He says on his climate-science website that the IPCC should recognize the importance of these other factors.

In contrast, Australian scientist Tim Flannery has complained in his 2005 book The Weather Makers: How Man is Changing the Climate and What it Means for Life on Earth that IPCC estimates downplay the impact of warming.

In Paris this week, the process of negotiating and revising the short summary is painstaking and "line by line," says Kevin Trenberth, one of the lead authors and climate analysis chief at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. More than 100 of the panel's 193 member nations are taking part in the negotiations on the summary, he says.

"They'll do a lot of rewriting. It's all going to change to cover the concerns of each nation," whether it's monsoons in India or polar bears in Canada, says MacCracken, who helped lead the USA's involvement in the IPCC in 1995 and 2001. The summary also must be translated in six official U.N. languages.

In 1995, MacCracken says, negotiations at the meeting in Madrid stretched from 8 a.m. to an hour past midnight.

"But luckily, it was Madrid," he adds, "so the restaurants were still open at 1 a.m."



http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-01-30-ipcc-report_x.htm

Oedipus Rex
01-31-2007, 04:09 AM
Hogwash. When are you guys gonna give up on this fairy tale? At first I thought the people who believed in this were silly. Now, I'm beginning to wonder just how many of you guys are walking around with a lot of screws loose.

piratemonkey
01-31-2007, 02:05 PM
I love it.

Who should an intelligent person believe?
The report is the work of more than 2,000 scientists, whose drafts were reviewed by scores of governments, industry and environmental groups. The document is based on research published in the six years since the last report.

or


Hogwash. When are you guys gonna give up on this fairy tale? At first I thought the people who believed in this were silly. Now, I'm beginning to wonder just how many of you guys are walking around with a lot of screws loose.


Give a conservative facts, they reply with personal insults.Â*Â*How many times are you going to prove that theory right?

Oedipus Rex
02-01-2007, 02:55 AM
I love it.

Who should an intelligent person believe?
The report is the work of more than 2,000 scientists, whose drafts were reviewed by scores of governments, industry and environmental groups. The document is based on research published in the six years since the last report.

or


Hogwash. When are you guys gonna give up on this fairy tale? At first I thought the people who believed in this were silly. Now, I'm beginning to wonder just how many of you guys are walking around with a lot of screws loose.


Give a conservative facts, they reply with personal insults. How many times are you going to prove that theory right?



You can drink all the Kool-Aid you like.

Hell, why don't you stop being a hypocrit and stop using fossil fuels? That means no gas powered vehicles, electricity generated from coal, etc. After all... the sky is falling and you're partly to blame.

piratemonkey
02-01-2007, 02:02 PM
You can drink all the Kool-Aid you like.

Hell, why don't you stop being a hypocrit and stop using fossil fuels? That means no gas powered vehicles, electricity generated from coal, etc. After all... the sky is falling and you're partly to blame.


Thank-you.

Again.Â*Â*
No facts.Â*Â*
No links.Â*Â*
No quotes.
No studies.

Nothing whatsoever to support your position, just personal attacks.

You make my point better than I ever could.

Oedipus Rex
02-02-2007, 03:18 AM
You can drink all the Kool-Aid you like.

Hell, why don't you stop being a hypocrit and stop using fossil fuels? That means no gas powered vehicles, electricity generated from coal, etc. After all... the sky is falling and you're partly to blame.


Thank-you.

Again.
No facts.
No links.
No quotes.
No studies.

Nothing whatsoever to support your position, just personal attacks.

You make my point better than I ever could.



Like I said... give up using fossil fuels and perhaps your opinion will carry some weight. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrit. I guess you want a link for that too, huh?:D

piratemonkey
02-02-2007, 02:08 PM
Like I said... give up using fossil fuels and perhaps your opinion will carry some weight. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrit. I guess you want a link for that too, huh?:D


Learn to spell "hypocrit:rolleyes:" if you are going to call someone names.

Two problems with your idea... problems that any casual observer could see.

1) Logistics - It's impossible to live in modern society today and be the only person that changes a fundamental behavior like that.Â*Â*It's either all or nothing.Â*Â*We're in this together.Â*Â*It will take a Manhattan Project-style effort to change our energy consumption significantly.

2) Scale - One person "giving up fossil fuels" won't change anything.Â*Â*

Besides... if you are SO sure that all those craaazy scientist are completely wrong, why can't you back up your position with even the slightest bit of evidence?Â*

Oedipus Rex
02-03-2007, 05:48 AM
Like I said... give up using fossil fuels and perhaps your opinion will carry some weight. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrit. I guess you want a link for that too, huh?:D


Learn to spell "hypocrit:rolleyes:" if you are going to call someone names.

Two problems with your idea... problems that any casual observer could see.

1) Logistics - It's impossible to live in modern society today and be the only person that changes a fundamental behavior like that. It's either all or nothing. We're in this together. It will take a Manhattan Project-style effort to change our energy consumption significantly.

2) Scale - One person "giving up fossil fuels" won't change anything.

Besides... if you are SO sure that all those craaazy scientist are completely wrong, why can't you back up your position with even the slightest bit of evidence?



1) So... you're one of those whiners who says one thing but does another. I know your type. Take care of your own lit bit of 'global warming' and I'll just put on a little more sunscreen while I crank up my gas guzzler.

2) I'm glad you can see that fact. Now apply that mentality by about 1.2 billion Chinese folks and you'll see that there's not a damned thing anyone can do if 'global warming' did exist.

Now, here's a link you so desire. http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/

Tell me, O Wise One, if scientists can piece together the climate changes of the past hundreds of thousands of years, why can't they give accurate weather forecasts 7 days into the future? I'd really like to hear your spin, er, I mean opinion, on that.

piratemonkey
02-05-2007, 02:00 PM
1) So... you're one of those whiners who says one thing but does another. I know your type. Take care of your own lit bit of 'global warming' and I'll just put on a little more sunscreen while I crank up my gas guzzler.

Looked up "hypocrit" yet?Â*Â*;)

I've reduced my personal energy consuption by about 1/3 by trading in my Lexus for a hybrid and converting most of my lighting fixtures to LED.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and enlist.Â*Â*We need war supporters in Iraq.Â*Â*Or are you a "hypocrit"?Â*


Now, here's a link you so desire. http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/

Just the very fact that you think a 3 year old Editorial collumn in tech magazine is equivalent to the peer-reviewed research of 2500 scientists shows that you don't have a shred of scientific judgment.

By presenting that Op-ed piece as "evidence" you show us that you obviously don't even understand what qualifies as scientific evidence.Â*Â*Why, then, should we trust your judgment when it comes to analyzing that evidence?

As it turns out, though, even your Op-ed article is wrong:
Mann (supported by Tim Osborn, Keith Briffa and Phil Jones of the Climatic Research Unit) has disputed the claims made by McIntyre and McKitrick [14] [15], saying "...MM have made critical errors in their analysis that have the effect of grossly distorting the reconstruction of MBH98...".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years


Tell me, O Wise One, if scientists can piece together the climate changes of the past hundreds of thousands of years, why can't they give accurate weather forecasts 7 days into the future? I'd really like to hear your spin, er, I mean opinion, on that.


Again, in asking such an absurd question, you do nothing more than show your ignorance of climatology.Â*Â*Thanks.

Oedipus Rex
02-05-2007, 11:36 PM
1) So... you're one of those whiners who says one thing but does another. I know your type. Take care of your own lit bit of 'global warming' and I'll just put on a little more sunscreen while I crank up my gas guzzler.

Looked up "hypocrit" yet? ;)


Yes, and I saw your avatar. Amazing, isn't it???

I've reduced my personal energy consuption by about 1/3 by trading in my Lexus for a hybrid and converting most of my lighting fixtures to LED.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and enlist. We need war supporters in Iraq. Or are you a "hypocrit"?

Been there, done that. What about you?


Now, here's a link you so desire. http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/

Just the very fact that you think a 3 year old Editorial collumn in tech magazine is equivalent to the peer-reviewed research of 2500 scientists shows that you don't have a shred of scientific judgment.

It seems like you won't accept anything that doesn't require a great big sip of Kool-Aid. Sad.

By presenting that Op-ed piece as "evidence" you show us that you obviously don't even understand what qualifies as scientific evidence. Why, then, should we trust your judgment when it comes to analyzing that evidence?

I guess a panel of Scientologists could serve as 'peer review'. That's about what all this 'global warming' hoccus poccus deserves.

As it turns out, though, even your Op-ed article is wrong:
Mann (supported by Tim Osborn, Keith Briffa and Phil Jones of the Climatic Research Unit) has disputed the claims made by McIntyre and McKitrick [14] [15], saying "...MM have made critical errors in their analysis that have the effect of grossly distorting the reconstruction of MBH98...".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years

Wow! A Wiki link as proof! Holy Shiz. I'm gonna hafta rethink my logic!!!!


Tell me, O Wise One, if scientists can piece together the climate changes of the past hundreds of thousands of years, why can't they give accurate weather forecasts 7 days into the future? I'd really like to hear your spin, er, I mean opinion, on that.


Again, in asking such an absurd question, you do nothing more than show your ignorance of climatology. Thanks.



As I've shown your ignorance and arse on this board. Time to zip yourself up and shut up until you know what the hell you're talking about. :P

piratemonkey
02-07-2007, 08:47 PM
As I've shown your ignorance and arse on this board. Time to zip yourself up and shut up until you know what the hell you're talking about. :P


Wow.Â*Â*Yet another grown-up, evidence-filled post.

Any links?
Any quotes?
Any studies?
Anything to back you your postion?

Of course not.Â*Â*Just personal insults.

My side: 2500 peer-reviewed studies, hundreds of scientists and EVERY major scientific organization.
Your side: childish insults and one, single editorial.

Who do you think an objective observer would say is winning this debate?

Elrathin
02-07-2007, 08:56 PM
Tell me, O Wise One, if scientists can piece together the climate changes of the past hundreds of thousands of years, why can't they give accurate weather forecasts 7 days into the future? I'd really like to hear your spin, er, I mean opinion, on that.


If it was cold yesterday, I can say it was. However, it is harder to say if it is going to be cold tomorrow. Bad analogy you used.

Red Dragon
02-07-2007, 11:34 PM
Tell me, O Wise One, if scientists can piece together the climate changes of the past hundreds of thousands of years, why can't they give accurate weather forecasts 7 days into the future? I'd really like to hear your spin, er, I mean opinion, on that.


Because the weather of the past is literally written in rock and stone and time. We can usually just add up the geological evidence, one example of this would be erosion. And the reason the Weather reporters can't predict the weather; well I'll sum it up for you in two words Chaos theory.

lily
02-08-2007, 12:30 AM
Oedipus Rex Wrote:
Tell me, O Wise One, if scientists can piece together the climate changes of the past hundreds of thousands of years, why can't they give accurate weather forecasts 7 days into the future? I'd really like to hear your spin, er, I mean opinion, on that.

Ice core

Time to zip yourself up and shut up until you know what the hell you're talking about. :P

Oedipus Rex
02-08-2007, 03:31 AM
As I've shown your ignorance and arse on this board. Time to zip yourself up and shut up until you know what the hell you're talking about. :P


Wow. Yet another grown-up, evidence-filled post.

Any links?
Any quotes?
Any studies?
Anything to back you your postion?

Of course not. Just personal insults.

My side: 2500 peer-reviewed studies, hundreds of scientists and EVERY major scientific organization.
Your side: childish insults and one, single editorial.

Who do you think an objective observer would say is winning this debate?


I'll bet that 2500 Scientologists would agree that Hubbard and Cruise are right when they claim we came from aliens.

:P

Oedipus Rex
02-08-2007, 03:34 AM
Oedipus Rex Wrote:
Tell me, O Wise One, if scientists can piece together the climate changes of the past hundreds of thousands of years, why can't they give accurate weather forecasts 7 days into the future? I'd really like to hear your spin, er, I mean opinion, on that.

Ice core

Time to zip yourself up and shut up until you know what the hell you're talking about. :P


Ice cores cannot pinpoint what was happening to the Earth at a specific date or time. There are too many variables, sun spots, volcanic activity, etc.

You need this more than I... Time to zip yourself up and shut up until you know what the hell you're talking about. :P

lily
02-08-2007, 03:49 AM
Hey.........if you say so!

piratemonkey
02-08-2007, 02:03 PM
Hey.........if you say so!


Unfortunately, that's all the evidence he provides for his position...

his opinion.

Any who equates scientists with scientologists can't be much of an authority on scientific fact.

Oedipus Rex
02-08-2007, 11:27 PM
Hey.........if you say so!


Unfortunately, that's all the evidence he provides for his position...

his opinion.

Any who equates scientists with scientologists can't be much of an authority on scientific fact.


Sorry Chicken Little. I just don't care what you want to believe. I think I'll try to deplete some ozone as my new hobby. Perhaps I'll post some pictures of my progress.:D

sbannon
02-09-2007, 12:04 AM
First, ice cores can pinpoint what was happening to the Earth at a specific date or time, to say otherwise is flat out wrong. Yes, there are variables to account for, this is why scientists collect samples from multiple drilling spots instead of relying on a single source...as opponents to the truth like to do.

Sorry Chicken Little. I just don't care what you want to believe. I think I'll try to deplete some ozone as my new hobby. Perhaps I'll post some pictures of my progress.
Can we call this O.R.'s O.J. approach to Climate Change; if you can't have clean air on your terms nobody will have any?

Oedipus Rex
02-09-2007, 06:02 AM
First, ice cores can pinpoint what was happening to the Earth at a specific date or time, to say otherwise is flat out wrong. Yes, there are variables to account for, this is why scientists collect samples from multiple drilling spots instead of relying on a single source...as opponents to the truth like to do.

Really? You don't say? Let's test this assertion. What was the average temperature of the Earth in 41,877 B.C. and the 'greenhouse gas' level? Don't forget to tell me if the animals of the age contributed to the 'greenhouse gases' from flatulence, how much volcanic activity added to those gases, and the sun-spot activity of said date.

As you said... science can tell me all this. I'm even being generous and not asking for information from millions of years age. On the Earth's age scale, this info is really recent. Can you do it???:D




Sorry Chicken Little. I just don't care what you want to believe. I think I'll try to deplete some ozone as my new hobby. Perhaps I'll post some pictures of my progress.

Can we call this O.R.'s O.J. approach to Climate Change; if you can't have clean air on your terms nobody will have any?



No, you can call this the Al Gore laugh-a-minute thread. The more he speaks to 'global warming' as fact, the more idiotic he makes you all, collectively, sound.

piratemonkey
02-09-2007, 02:38 PM
No, you can call this the Al Gore laugh-a-minute thread. The more he speaks to 'global warming' as fact, the more idiotic he makes you all, collectively, sound.



:D

Let's keep giving OR opportunities to post on this thread. The more he posts, the better our position looks.

:D

Any links, OR?
Any facts?
Any quotes?
Studies?

I'm waiting for the smallest, tiniest piece of evidence provided by you.

bobbylien
02-10-2007, 03:51 AM
No, you can call this the Al Gore laugh-a-minute thread. The more he speaks to 'global warming' as fact, the more idiotic he makes you all, collectively, sound.
Global warming is a fact, nobody disputes the FACT that temperatures are going up. The debate comes in when you start discussing the details, which are still very cloudy.
The way I look at it.. getting rid of the causes of global warming would be nothing but good for civilization as a whole. But thats looking past global warming and onto the various other environmental issues.

Elrathin
02-10-2007, 03:59 AM
I find it funny when someone says Global warming is not going on. It shows their ignorance or insanity. No respectable and credible person would argue that it isn't happening. As Bobby said, it is in debate now as to WHY it is happening and not that it doesn't exist.

Oedipus Rex
02-10-2007, 07:11 AM
Keep the Kool-Aid among yourselves, Chicken Littles.

Elrathin
02-10-2007, 02:55 PM
Keep the Kool-Aid among yourselves, Chicken Littles.


Keep your head buried in the sand.

Oedipus Rex
02-10-2007, 06:54 PM
Keep the Kool-Aid among yourselves, Chicken Littles.


Keep your head buried in the sand.


If you really believe what you're trying to sell me, you'd stop using fossil fuels. The sky is falling and you're to blame.:D

AlonzoMourning23
02-10-2007, 07:49 PM
Oed, instead of wasting your time typing responses like this:

Hogwash. When are you guys gonna give up on this fairy tale? At first I thought the people who believed in this were silly. Now, I'm beginning to wonder just how many of you guys are walking around with a lot of screws loose.


Why not just go with this?:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6859/coverearskl7.jpg

Oedipus Rex
02-10-2007, 08:07 PM
Oed, instead of wasting your time typing responses like this:

Hogwash. When are you guys gonna give up on this fairy tale? At first I thought the people who believed in this were silly. Now, I'm beginning to wonder just how many of you guys are walking around with a lot of screws loose.


Why not just go with this?:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6859/coverearskl7.jpg




Funny... I was just thinking this picture better described you guys...

Elrathin
02-10-2007, 08:47 PM
If you really believe what you're trying to sell me, you'd stop using fossil fuels. The sky is falling and you're to blame.:D


Do you know what the stance on Global Warming is? The debate isn't whether or not is HAPPENING, it is the causes. Only an idiot would deny that global warming isn't happening. Even the government acknowledges it is happening. Whether or not is is HUMAN MADE is the only debate.

When you actually know what Global Warming is and the debate that is going on about it, please feel free to jump in. Until then your comments are quite humorous and ignorant all at the same time.

Oedipus Rex
02-10-2007, 10:16 PM
If you really believe what you're trying to sell me, you'd stop using fossil fuels. The sky is falling and you're to blame.:D


Do you know what the stance on Global Warming is? The debate isn't whether or not is HAPPENING, it is the causes. Only an idiot would deny that global warming isn't happening. Even the government acknowledges it is happening. Whether or not is is HUMAN MADE is the only debate.

When you actually know what Global Warming is and the debate that is going on about it, please feel free to jump in. Until then your comments are quite humorous and ignorant all at the same time.


Thirty yrs ago it was 'global cooling'. Everyone ran around screaming that the sky was falling then too. Welcome to the latest 'sky is falling' scare. Help yourself to some Kool-Aid.

Elrathin
02-10-2007, 10:23 PM
Welcome to the latest 'sky is falling' scare. Help yourself to some Kool-Aid.


So let me see, you bring no proof to the debate, yet you think you are right. Ok, have fun with YOUR Kool-Aid. The rest of us will stick to reality and not fantasy land.

Again, the majority of the world, scientists, and even our government, agree it is here, yet you go have fun yelling "lalala I can't hear you lalala".

Really though please do keep up with this, it is giving me, and I'm sure others, a good laugh to hear your denial. :D

Oedipus Rex
02-11-2007, 04:18 AM
Welcome to the latest 'sky is falling' scare. Help yourself to some Kool-Aid.


So let me see, you bring no proof to the debate, yet you think you are right. Ok, have fun with YOUR Kool-Aid. The rest of us will stick to reality and not fantasy land.

Again, the majority of the world, scientists, and even our government, agree it is here, yet you go have fun yelling "lalala I can't hear you lalala".

Really though please do keep up with this, it is giving me, and I'm sure others, a good laugh to hear your denial. :D


You sheeple will just follow the shepherd. Call it herd mentality.


The funny part of all this is that the planet goes through cycles. Some cooler, some warmer. Yet, there's not a damned thing any of us can do about it. Go ahead, burn cleaner fuels (I know better than to ask you to give up your car... ), pay twice as much for electricity if you like... I don't care, but unless you're willing to live like Ed Begley Jr., you're a hypocrite of the worst kind. You're telling the rest of us how we should live all the while you've no intention of changing your own 'greenhouse gas' producing lifestyle. So, let me leave you with this piece of advice... walk like you talk or STFU with your holier than thou POV to the rest of us.

Elrathin
02-11-2007, 04:26 AM
You sheeple will just follow the shepherd. Call it herd mentality.


The funny part of all this is that the planet goes through cycles. Some cooler, some warmer. Yet, there's not a damned thing any of us can do about it. Go ahead, burn cleaner fuels (I know better than to ask you to give up your car... ), pay twice as much for electricity if you like... I don't care, but unless you're willing to live like Ed Begley Jr., you're a hypocrite of the worst kind. You're telling the rest of us how we should live all the while you've no intention of changing your own 'greenhouse gas' producing lifestyle. So, let me leave you with this piece of advice... walk like you talk or STFU with your holier than thou POV to the rest of us.


So you have to give up everything or you're a hypocrite? That's like saying you don't give a damn about the poor unless you become poor yourself.

You really need to work on your debating skills and coming up with proof to back your points up.

bobbylien
02-11-2007, 05:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

Stoner
02-11-2007, 05:49 AM
I bet those "recorded" temperatures were real accurate back in 200 AD.

This nonsense comes around every so often. Global Warming is just the latest fad. Instead of going with the obvious (earth naturally gets warmer and cooler throughout cycles) people prefer to listen to moveon.org and believe man is causing the earth to get hotter.

Did you know the sun goes through cycles similiar to earth where it gets warmer and cooler at various points in time?

Nah, some redneck driving a hummer is a more logical explanation.

Oedipus Rex
02-11-2007, 07:05 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png



0.4 degree Celsius = 32.72 degree Fahrenheit
-0.9 degree Celsius = 30.38 degree Fahrenheit


The extreme range difference. I don't see what the big deal is all about and that's if I even bought into the whole 'global warming' fad.

Oedipus Rex
02-11-2007, 07:07 AM
You sheeple will just follow the shepherd. Call it herd mentality.


The funny part of all this is that the planet goes through cycles. Some cooler, some warmer. Yet, there's not a damned thing any of us can do about it. Go ahead, burn cleaner fuels (I know better than to ask you to give up your car... ), pay twice as much for electricity if you like... I don't care, but unless you're willing to live like Ed Begley Jr., you're a hypocrite of the worst kind. You're telling the rest of us how we should live all the while you've no intention of changing your own 'greenhouse gas' producing lifestyle. So, let me leave you with this piece of advice... walk like you talk or STFU with your holier than thou POV to the rest of us.


So you have to give up everything or you're a hypocrite?

You don't want to be two-face now, do you?






You really need to work on your debating skills and coming up with proof to back your points up.


Global warming isn't proven. Gee, I really needed to tell you that?

Anti-Racism
02-11-2007, 11:59 PM
Give a conservative facts, they reply with personal insults.Â*Â*How many times are you going to prove that theory right?


That doesn't make sense. Adolf Hitler was opposed to overuse of fossil fuels and population growth, and those are the dual causes of global warming.

Are you a Nazi?

piratemonkey
02-12-2007, 02:05 PM
Did you know the sun goes through cycles similiar to earth where it gets warmer and cooler at various points in time?Â*Â*


Global Warming deniers, this should be trivial, if y'all are right:

Name another time in the history of the Earth where temperatures rose as quickly as they have in the last century, with a correlative increase in carbon in the atmosphere.

Oedipus Rex
02-13-2007, 12:35 AM
Uhhh, I'm not the one trying to prove global warming. I'll let you do the research and then you can try another sales pitch to me... how's that?

Red Dragon
02-13-2007, 12:59 AM
Globoal climate change isn't just some crackpot theroy that you can dismiis with a wave of your hand. It's a fact and it's happenin gright now and the longer we wait to do something on it, the worst it's going to get. The world is changing and possbily for the worst, at least for human society.

Also if global warming weren't true would it not be easy to disprove?

AlonzoMourning23
02-13-2007, 01:03 AM
Name another time in the history of the Earth where temperatures rose as quickly as they have in the last century, with a correlative increase in carbon in the atmosphere.


Oooh! Oooh! Ooh! I know that one! The Permian extinction event!