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PittsburghAfterDark
04-06-2006, 10:40 PM
Students Suspended For Wearing Shirts With American Flags

Flag Bans Enacted At Shaw Heights Middle, Skyline High

POSTED: 2:13 pm MDT April 6, 2006
UPDATED: 9:11 pm MDT April 6, 2006

DENVER -- Several students at Shaw Heights Middle School have been disciplined for wearing shirts that depict the American flag, an act that is in direct violation of the public school's recent ban on all flags, depictions of flags, or flag colors on student clothing.

One student said he was suspended for wearing a DARE program shirt with a flag behind the logo. Another student, Katie Golgart, said she was suspended for wearing a Marine Corps shirt.

Elizabeth Haas, told reporters that she was told to turn her Marine Corps shirt inside out and when she did and then turned it back the right way, she was suspended. Haas, an 11-year-old sixth grader, said that she wears a USMC shirt every day to support her brother, who is in the Corps, and she wasn't aware of the ban until she was suspended.

All of the students who were suspended said they had a connection to the military -- either they have a family member now serving or someone in the family had once served. They said despite the school ban, and even if it means another suspension, they will continue to wear their shirts.

"I'm gonna going to school and wear another Marine shirt just to show that I support my brother and what he does," Haas said.

The students' parents are behind them 100 percent and are willing to fight the schools' ban, saying that it's a fight that they are going to win.

"I did let her (the principal) know that I would fight her on this because I knew I was right. And that's exactly what it is. We are right to wear our flag. We are right for my daughter to wear her United States Marine Corps shirt to support the Marines -- future, present and past," said Eric Golgart, who is the son of a U.S. Marine.

Schools such as Shaw Heights in Westminster, Colo., and Skyline High School in Longmont, Colo., have enacted bans on all flags -- American and Mexican -- as a way to diffuse the confrontations students have engaged in because of the recent immigration debate. School officials say it's a safety issue.

Shaw Heights Principal Myla Shepherd implemented the flag and clothing ban last week after several incidents, including one in which about 25 students wore camouflaged clothing on one day.

In a letter sent home to parents that's dated April 7, Sheperd doesn't sound as if she's backing down from the ban.

"During the week of March 27th, students were observed exhibiting behavior that was interfering with instruction. This behavior appeared to be directly related to students' attire. Our goal at Shaw Heights Middle School is to provide a safe learning environment for our children/students. The neutral dress code that was implemented as a result of widespread student behavior has been very beneficial," she said.

"On Friday, March 31, we sent home a letter detailing the neutral dress code, specifically asking that students not wear the following: clothing that makes a political statement, camouflage clothing, and banners, flags or bandanas of any type. I would like to clarify the dress code, as there seems to be confusion about colors of clothing. Students may wear all colors -- red, white, blue, green, etc. They simply may not wear attire that displays a flag. We will continue to monitor student behavior and as the situation improves we will consider returning to our original dress code. "

Shaw Heights has 650 students, of which about 46 percent are white and 41 percent are Hispanic.

Last week students at Skyline walked out of class to protest the ban.

"We're very angry. This is my country. They make me stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance every day ... but then when I want to wave a flag they won't let me?" Skyline student Colyn Norwood said.

Skyline High School Principal Tom Stumpf said he enacted the flag ban after American flags were brazenly waved in the faces of Hispanic students, and in one case, a Mexican flag was thrown into the face of another student.

"The (policy) evolved because the flags were being used, not as a symbol of cultural heritage, but the flags were being used as symbols of bigotry, a symbol of hostility. They were being used to inflame different groups and we're simply not going to tolerate that at Skyline High School," Stumpf said.

The schools fly the American flag in the classrooms and other areas.

Students at Shaw Heights Middle plan to have a rally at 8 a.m. Friday in support of the students who have been suspended.

Colorado Law Protects Display Of American Flag

Because of this divisive issue, Colorado Attorney General John W. Suthers requested that a copy of Colorado Revised Statute 27-2-108.5, concerning the proper and legal display of the flag of the United States, be sent to all Colorado superintendents.

"The statute is clear," said Suthers. "No Colorado school has the authority to prohibit students from reasonably displaying the flag of the United States on their person or property. While schools can and should act to prevent conduct by students that interferes with the education process, their remedy must be narrowly tailored and cannot include a general ban on displaying the American flag."

C.R.S. 27-2-108.5 reads, "The right to display reasonably the flag of the United States shall not be infringed with respect to the display: (a) On an individual's person; (b) Anywhere on an individual's personal or real property."

"I understand that they're trying to deal with rising tensions and I appreciate that, but they're going to have to find a way to do it without banning, in particular, the American flag," Suthers told 7NEWS.

Suthers even threatened to get a court injuction to stop school officials from enforcing the flag ban.

The American Civil Liberties Union is also sounding off on the issue.

"The Colorado statute, however, applies only to American flags, which raises another constitutional issue. The Constitution prohibits what the case law calls 'viewpoint discrimination.' This means that the government cannot silence one side of a debate while allowing speakers who favor an opposing viewpoint. Thus, to the extent that personal display of American or Mexican flags now symbolizes opposing views on the current national debate about immigration issues, the Colorado statute cannot constitutionally protect the right of students to display the American flag while allowing a school to ban the display of a different flag," said Mark Silverstein, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Colorado.
On Wednesday, the state Senate voted to withhold state grant money from schools that break the flag law.

"I think what the Senate did was simply blow a whistle, if you will, and say, 'Wait a minute, you're going too far.' My guess is that that will be enough," said Sen. Andy McElhany, R-El Paso.
The Denver Channel.com (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8512988/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news)

Yes, this is one incident however there are not many Americans that are surprised this happened.??Outraged???Yes.??Surprised???No.??This is the kind of behavior we've come to expect from government run monopoly re-education centers staffed by liberal mafiosi.

This is a totalitarian policy aimed at nothing more than swerving beliefs that taking pride in one's country and those people that defend that country is somehow wrong.??It's now somehow racist and insensitive to take pride in such things.??Such things should be burried, disparaged, punished and discouraged at all costs.??If it means harming a child's disciplinary record for academic application to colleges or universities the schools have no problem with that.??

Have our nation's educators gone insane???Are they so disconnected with America and filled with blind hatred and boiling rage for the way things are that they can sit in groups of 3 or more and collectively justify this in the face of what they know will be outraged public reaction???What is it like to be this mentally ill?

AlonzoMourning23
04-06-2006, 11:08 PM
Heh, nice to see you siding with the ACLU.

Though I agree with the spirit of your post, though not necessarily the exact points. If they're having fights in school over it, or the atmosphere is approaching that, then I could understand a short term, temporary ban to try to figure out what to do. Though anything longer than a couple weeks shouldn't be allowed.

Nitrus
04-07-2006, 10:46 AM
I understand about the flags being waved in front of hispanic students faces, but surely wearing them is not a crime.

And anyway, its your country, why shouldnt you have the right to show a little bit of pratriotism (spelling?) and fly your flag, just because some kids got offended, I mean they would do it to any Americans in their country. And the kids are right, it is a breach of the right of free speech, and what they wear. And don't all American schools fly the US flag? Isn't that a little bit hypocritical?

-N

AlonzoMourning23
04-07-2006, 12:03 PM
Well, I've never had someone wave a flag in my face. I've had people tell me to leave the country though :D.

I don't think either side has any more or less right to wave their flag, and I don't think americans would normally wave a flag in someones face. The fact that flags were used as statements to members of opposing ethnic groups suggests its more than just innocent behavior.

They need to find a way to ban particular uses of flags, without banning flags themselves.

Old Corps Gunny
04-07-2006, 02:34 PM
It seems that the ban (unconstitutional and in violation of Colorado state law) has gone beyond flags to the Armed Forces. I wonder if the principal realizes how many Hispanics are serving, with pride, in our military. It burns me up to think I spent most of my life in the service defending rights that some liberal is now telling kids that it is politically incorrect to exercise. Perhaps she needs to take a refresher course in civics.

KrAzY3
04-10-2006, 03:26 PM
If you want to see some of the stuff that started all of this, go here:
http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004869.htm
Of course, the logical response it to ban the American flag...

AlonzoMourning23
04-10-2006, 04:15 PM
An upside down flag is also a signal of distress. Considering many view immigration as essential to america, and restrictions on it are being proposed, many think such restrictions are essentially unamerican.

It seems that the ban (unconstitutional and in violation of Colorado state law) has gone beyond flags to the Armed Forces. I wonder if the principal realizes how many Hispanics are serving, with pride, in our military. It burns me up to think I spent most of my life in the service defending rights that some liberal is now telling kids that it is politically incorrect to exercise. Perhaps she needs to take a refresher course in civics.

That doesn't seem like it matters here. The issue is what the symbols are being used for, not what the symbols are.

KrAzY3
04-10-2006, 04:31 PM
Yeah, turn the American flag upside down, and put the Mexican flag ON TOP and wonder why American kids get upset and want to wear patriotic stuff...

CaptainObviousXL
04-10-2006, 09:35 PM
I think that students of any school that is not private should be able to wear whatever they want unless it contains something clearly offensive to others including drugs alcohol or something of violent nature. I do understand under what circumstances this rules were put forth, but no one should be stopped from wearing the colors of their flag in their own country. They should have just took action towards the students that were wearing clothing that was clearly trying to offend the other student.

penmyst
04-11-2006, 05:12 PM
I don't think either side has any more or less right to wave their flag, and I don't think americans would normally wave a flag in someones face. The fact that flags were used as statements to members of opposing ethnic groups suggests its more than just innocent behavior.


QFT

The problem here isn't the patriotic shirts themselves. It is the intent behind wearing them. Much the same way certain schools won't let you wear bandanas or certain colors because those innocuous items have come to represent something entirely malicious.

Rather than label the school or it's adminstrators as flaming liberals full of hate for America (most of them are, but that's not the point here), rather it's just another case of what happens when you have a bureaucracy trying to deal with a problem that requires common sense. Rules, regulations, and bureaucracy can't coexist with common sense. Their inability to act using common sense requires them to just punish all.

I don't see malice here as much as incompetence inherent in the bureaucratic system.

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." -unknown author

justanotherstayathomead
04-12-2006, 09:01 AM
If you don't want to see an american flag being waved with pride berhaps you should move to Venezuela, or Iran? fucking pussys, the school board needs a good lesson in geography, this is america, we wave our flag alot (and toot a horn now and then)