CheesyMuslim
01-25-2007, 08:33 PM
Sorry bout that,
1. But okay, Now!, I will do a Google search and post what I find if Barrack Hussein Obama is a Muslim.
2. You will be sorry for that.
3. Then I will post a few links to back me up.
4. Then lets see what you have to say ,....THEN!
5. You guys asked for it.
6. It didn't take long, here you go, less than 15 minutes.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html
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December 18, 2006
Barack Hussein Obama: Once a Muslim, Always A Muslim
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By Debbie Schlussel
**** UPDATE, 01/25/07: Barack Hussein Obama's alleged debunking of Islamic background raises even MORE questions. ****
**** UPDATE, 01/19/07: Looks like Hillary Clinton's camp agrees with me and has dug up more info that confirms my suspicions about Obama and his Muslim background, including his attendance at a Wahabbi (ie., extremist Sunni) Madrassa (Islamic religious academy). Hillary's camp says Obama is covering up his Muslim past. Why? ****
Many months ago, readers began asking me whether Barack Obama is Muslim. Since he identifies as a Christian, I said, "no," and responded that he was not raised by his Kenyan father.
But, then, I decided to look further into Obama's background. His full name--as by now you have probably heard--is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Hussein is a Muslim name, which comes from the name of Ali's son--Hussein Ibn Ali. And Obama is named after his late Kenyan father, the late Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., apparently a Muslim.
And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.
Then, there are the other items in his background. As best-selling author Scott Turow wrote in Salon, Obama went to a Muslim school for two years in Indonesia. His mother, Anna, married an Indonesian man (likely another Muslim, as Indonesia is Muslim-dominated and has the largest Islamic population in the world).
And Obama has a "born-again" affinity for the nation of his Muslim father, Kenya, and his Kenyan sister. (Although Kenya is largely Christian, it has a fast-growing Muslim population that has engaged in a good deal of religious violence and riots against Christians. And Kenyan courts will apply Sharia law, when the participants are Muslim.) Wrote Turow:
Obama's father died in a traffic accident in Nairobi in 1982, but while Obama was working in Chicago, he met his Kenyan sister, Auma, a linguist educated in Germany who was visiting the United States. When she returned to Kenya in 1986 to teach for a year at the University of Nairobi, Obama finally made the trip to his father's homeland he had long promised himself. There, he managed to fully embrace a heritage and a family he'd never fully known and come to terms with his father, whom he'd long regarded as an august foreign prince, but now realized was a human being burdened by his own illusions and vulnerabilities.
So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?
Is that even the man we'd want to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, if Hillary Clinton offers him the Vice Presidential candidacy on her ticket (which he certainly wouldn't turn down)?
NO WAY, JOSE . . . Or, is that, HUSSEIN?
Posted by Debbie at December 18, 2006 04:01 PM
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Barack Obama was originally named ?Baraka.? It is not an African name. It's an Arabic word meaning ?blessed? and comes directly from the Koran.
BTW, Obama lied about his father's religious denomination during the DNC Convention in 2004. He said his father was a non-practicing Christian. Let's see how the LIBERAL media uncovers this lie, as well. Don't hold your breath.
There's a whole BOATLOAD of info about Obama's father and how it runs totally opposite of what he's telling people.
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 18, 2006 04:46 PM
BTW, notice how Obama's father abandoned him and his mother when he was just a kid (he used Islam's Sharia Law and its tenets about divorce), yet he feels compelled to follow his father's roots while totally neglecting his white mother's heritage and religion. His mother was responsible for who he is today, yet not a peep about her. Not a peep from the LIBERAL media, neither. What a typical, LIBERAL piece of shit he is!
BTW, check out his voting record in the U.S. Senate. The ADA rated him to the left of Kennedy and Hillary. Yet, the media makes no mention of this.
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 18, 2006 04:51 PM
Debbie: can you remove some of these "off-topic" posts, if possible, such as the one before mine.
Obama recently apologized for a sweetheart Chicago real estate deal where he bought a house at a big discount and also bought a neighboring lot for a very small amount. The deal was done with a shady Syrian businessman now under indictment (the Syrian bought the house next door), who brokered the cut-rate deal on Obama's house).
What's even more interesting is that the Syrian is business partners with Elijah Mohammad's son. Is Obama involved with the Nation of Islam in some way?
Obama's mother was a Muslim-loving and highly unstable wackjob who couldn't care for her son. His half-sister is a very, very lefty high school and university teacher here in Hawaii. She really goes for the multiculti and feminist stuff.
At best, Obama as President will give you extreme Muslim pandering and Carteresque hostility to Israel. Given the choice (and I'm a Republican) I'd rather take the Jew-hater that I know in Clinton than the Muslim lefty I don't in Obama.
Posted by: sonomaca at December 18, 2006 05:48 PM
Oy GEVALT!!!
Since i read you 'column' Torah-tically in "reverse" order, i.e., backwards from your latest post---i HAVE to ask YOU what the same question the Fox "news" dudes refuse to answer---do YOU pay any attention to WHAT you write???
In Judaism, the religious "trait" is passed down from the mother...but in born-again Fourth Reich Jewis fundamentalism, it seems that ANY parent that was a Muslim passes down that tainted blood WORTHY of a final solution...WTF!!!!
It takes a BILLION Muslim exterminations to get rid of the "terrorist" problem, and now you advocate CONVERTED children should be shaked & baked??? E-mail me with your repy/link honey...THIS makes ol' A.H. look like a piker in comparison...HE only final solutionized SIX MILLION Jews, YOU seem to be advocating the genocide of the billion known Muslims AND their relatives who swayed from the path of Satan?
Posted by: EminemsRevenge at December 18, 2006 06:13 PM
sonomaca,
You vomited;
"Debbie: can you remove some of these "off-topic" posts, if possible, such as the one before mine."
Are you referring to my post? If so, please indicate exactly where my post is off-topic.
And, if you are, you are brain-dead. Debbie's piece was about Obama and his being the son of a Muzlum. Debbie also brought up Obama's mother in the same piece. I also posted about him, his Muzlum father, and his mother. If anyone is posting off-topic, it is YOU (applying your standards) with your "Syrian businessman and the son of Elijah Mohammad" post.
Check your brain at the door.
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 18, 2006 06:49 PM
Glad to see I'm not the only one who has a problem with this column, Em's Revenge. For some reason I'm gonna try to be more diplomatic about it, though.
Debbie, just because the guy has a connection to Islam does not that he's sworn fealty to Bin Laden or anything.
Show us some real evidence that he's engaged in serious wrongdoing, or leave it alone. Don't just shout "Look out, a Muslim, he'll destroy us all! And he's named HUSSEIN!!!"
And I hope you don't send him an e-mail saying "Happy Ramadan, you muslim bastard!"
Posted by: Rob Brown at December 18, 2006 07:30 PM
Bruno: she removed the post in question. Yours then slipped down above mine. I was not referring to yours.
Posted by: sonomaca at December 18, 2006 07:44 PM
Why does Obama lie or distort his background and beliefs? He'll never be president. He's running for vice-president.
He's half white but calls himself black. That is an affirmative action thing. It pays off big time to get yourself categorized as black.
Posted by: lexi at December 18, 2006 08:56 PM
Obama = Black Osama with a touch of taqiyya, all in the interests of his father's (and his) "religion" of PISS.
Rob Brown - If he becomes President, everyone in the congress will soon be swearing by the shit manual known as koran, and we'll have sharia law everywhere. Its as simple as that - you don't need to be a genius to figure out. Look at Keith Ellison and Dearborn if you need proven examples.
Posted by: anonymous twit at December 18, 2006 10:06 PM
sonomaca,
Thank you for explaining.
Had Debbie not removed that post, I would've understood. Please accept my apologies. I hope you can understand why I posted what I did.
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 18, 2006 11:08 PM
To Rob Brown, a/k/a, the islamic worshipping swine,
It's not; "Happy Ramadan, you Muslim bastard."
It's; "Happy Ramadama-Ding-Dong, you Muzlum bastard."
Please get your fabricated, non-fast, Muzlum holidays in order.
BTW, this is America. We don't celebrate pagan holidays such as; Ramadama-Ding-Dong.
Go back to your Muzlum country buried somewhere among Africa, the Middle East, and Hell.
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 18, 2006 11:26 PM
No offense folks, but why do people even take this guy seriously? He is a complete joke. The info here you all bring up just scratches the surface. His islamic roots are something he wants to run from, but who knows how sincere he is with the muslim name he retains? I mean if you want to disown your muslim-ness--why would you retain such a sickening name? Barak Hssein Obama--I want to be puke.
Beyond everththing else--what happened in New Hampshire a week ago when he thought he was off camera (but wasn't)shows how far-fetched it is that this guy could be a big leaguer--his whining about his ears of all things. (Sorry sensitive ones-- I would NEVER bring this up except that if reveals so much because of his REACTION to a stupid comment) People take pot shots when you are in the public eye--so "welcome Mr. Obama--and get ready." Rush discussed this last week and I could only shake my head--"are you kidding me?" Sad to say Barak's sensitivity to a silly thing like this shows he is a still just little boy emotionally. Presidential candidate--give me a break! Read the Rush transcript here on this link.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_121406/content/sexy_rock_star_obama_whines_about_his_ears.guest.h tml
Posted by: BB at December 18, 2006 11:29 PM
Did I mention that I also don't vote for the arrogant? The Muslims or the Muslims sympathizers?
Before even learning that his middle name is a Muslim name, somehow I never liked watching or listening to that Omama OBanana, or whatever his name is. Somehow, when I come across news about this guy, I switch channels or close the window browser.
I have enough experience, I can tell from the first sight whether I like a person or not, whether a person is a fake or not.
And frankly, I do not like that Banana Hussy Obamba.
I think he's an uncle Tom in the making, butt-kisser, arrogant, fake, opportunist bastard.
And guess what, he still can be something because...you got it...the American voters are the most idiotic voters ever, um, maybe after the Spaniards!
In America, as elsewhere in the stupid Western world, idiot voters vote for the look not for the substance.
That's why this country, and the West in general, will go down the drain and Islam will take over, if the voters don't wise up.
Posted by: Independent Conservative at December 18, 2006 11:38 PM
This is America; we don't impugn the sins of the Father against the son. Ron Reagan's father was a serious boozer. JFK's father was an avowed anti-semite; JFK was nothing of the sort.
I probably wouldn't vote for Obama as he's a bit of a lightweight, but last I checked this is America, not Europe(where your Father's station in life is vital).
Who gives a flying camel what the Islamists think about Obama. Obama visited northern israel during the recent Lebanon war, proudly extolling Israel's right to self defence. I would personally trust Barack on Israel as opposed to the Clinton's.
Vote against him because he's too liberal and/or a light weight; not because his Father's ethnicity was Islamic. Of course, I agree 'they' will see it that way, but who gives a flying turd, maybe they'll get angina then next time Barack visits israel, or choke on camel dung.
As a Jew, I would never vote for or against a canidate just on their religion; I'd vote for a Hirsi Ali in a second for President if I got the chance. But don't blame the son for the sins of the Father. It is immaterial.
Posted by: biorabbi at December 19, 2006 01:52 AM
I agree with Independent Conservative. Can I borrow "Banana Hussy Obamba"-? I can't stop laughing! Unfortunately, I am a political junkie so I happened to catch Banana questioning Condi Rice on C-span. Barbara (leftist freak) Boxer had just finished raking Condi over the coals and being a total bitch. When it was Banana's turn, I listened carefully to get a sense of the guy. He started with a lot of b.s. friendliness and then asked her a few meaningless questions. I really did not get a sense of much thinking going on. Of course he could have been avoiding the appearance of hostility towards Condi, but he still seemed *very* superficial. I keep hearing how he's exciting to listen to, etc. Well, maybe in a prepared speech written for him. I am really thinking he's a lightweight-a well packaged one though. As far as the ears comment, that is another problem. He is going to need to let those things roll off his back and if he can't do that, forget the presidency, he'll lose it during the campaign. IMO, Bill C. will take him out if he is too threatening to Hillary anyway. They will use him if they can or need to, but if they don't, he'll be taken out. Even Oprah won't be able to help him. Also, I have heard some references to some sort of problems he had in his past, anyone know anything about that?
Posted by: CarpeDiem at December 19, 2006 02:26 AM
I just read the Rush transcript, thank you BB.
Based on Obama's attempt to dodge the middle name thing, I think he does realize it could be a problem. He's going to say it's meaningless, but I think he knows it's not.
Posted by: CarpeDiem at December 19, 2006 02:47 AM
>>I agree with Independent Conservative. Can I borrow "Banana Hussy Obamba"-? I can't stop laughing! -CarpeDiem<<
Yes, you can borrow my "Banana Hussy Obamba."
I should've put a little R next to it, though.
Oh well, it's OK. I don't like that kind of banana anyway.
Posted by: Independent Conservative at December 19, 2006 05:35 AM
Borat Hussein Osama ...
Hm-m-m ...
Will he become a president of the United Soviet Socialist States of America in the future?
Posted by: Syndic Nuruodo at December 19, 2006 06:47 AM
" ... just because the guy has a connection to Islam does not that he's sworn fealty to Bin Laden or anything."
Be that as it may, beware the charismatic leader who also happens to be an empty suit.
The daily premature Obasms by the media are a real hoot. He DOES fit the MSM-preferred type of Dem politicians - all form and no substance ala BillyJeff Clinton.
Having said THAT, the destruction of all Muslims was recently posited satirically by a blogger who was quickly banished by his server at the insistence of CAIR. Much like J. Swift's "A Modest Proposal", the proposed solution was made tongue in cheek. Good satire however DOES have a grain or two of truth to it.
And NO - I would never vote for a follower of Islam. America will soon enough be overrun with 'em.
~(Ä)~
Posted by: Rocketman at December 19, 2006 08:47 AM
Right on Debbie! once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You are also right about the way people look at this guy in the Mideast. CAIR and other muslim associations in the US under the motto 'Wahed Minna' meaning 'one of us'. I believe that blogs for the right need to start spreading these facts about him right now to keep him from getting momentum, in addition to fighting off Hillary. It will be so ironic that we spent billions of dollars to remove Saddam HUSSEIN as president of Iraq to have our own President or VP Hussein in two years.
Posted by: stevedecatur at December 19, 2006 10:07 AM
This is a parody, right? Nobody can be this braindead, can they?
Posted by: atlasjuggs at December 19, 2006 10:52 AM
OMGZ FUNNY NAME LOL.
seriously though, I think your reactions is a bit ridiculous. But whatever.
And atlas, they're all being serious :
Posted by: FSM-FTW!(descent) at December 19, 2006 11:21 AM
Biorabbi: "This is America; we don't impugn the sins of the Father against the son."
Hear, hear!
I don't think I'll dignify the posts specifically addressed to me with responses since most of 'em are just too stupid to deserve one.
Posted by: Rob Brown at December 19, 2006 11:22 AM
Rob Brown puked all over his keyboard, then typed;
"I don't think I'll dignify the posts specifically addressed to me with responses since most of 'em are just too stupid to deserve one."
I'm waiting for just ONE of your posts to be accurate or anything but pro-islamist.
BTW, biorabbi said;
"Obama visited northern israel during the recent Lebanon war, proudly extolling Israel's right to self defence."
That's all well and good, but you're talking about someone who already lies like a rug about his father. Most Democraps voice security for Israel, but always end up siding with the Muzlums.
Biorabbi als said;
"Vote against him because he's too liberal and/or a light weight; not because his Father's ethnicity was Islamic."
Again, all well and good, however, this guy is PREOCCUPIED with his dead Muzlum father and is always LYING about him, and about what a wonderful "Kenyan prince" he was. Obama is not running away from his Muzlum roots...he's running towards them because he knows that the LIBERALS in this country are pro-islamic. As I said before; LIBERALS hate religion, but they love Islam.
So, why don't the both of you get off your high horses and smell the coffee.
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 19, 2006 11:56 AM
DS wrote:
" ... if Hillary Clinton offers him the Vice Presidential candidacy on her ticket (which he certainly wouldn't turn down)? "
i'd love to see that ticket,
we could use another Reagan/Mondale election ;-))
exdemexlib
Posted by: exdemexlib at December 19, 2006 12:13 PM
RE: Why does Obama lie or distort his background and beliefs?
He's half white but calls himself black. That is an affirmative action thing. It pays off big time to get yourself categorized as black.
It's only recently i started calling myself Jamaicarican in honour of my Puerto Rican heritage on my mother's side, until recently i either referred to myself as Black or Jamaican!
When i returned to this cuntry in 1965, the only race i knew of was the HUMAN race...Jamaica wasn't into all that crap y'all practice...but when i went to visit my mother in Jersey the following spring i was called NIGGER for the first time in my life, even though i LOOK more Puerto Rican!!!
Didn't even KNOW what the word meant, but quickly learnt that the only 'affirmative action' CRACKERS believe in is a noose.
Lynch Obama and shoot Hillary??? THAT ain't gonna change the fact that the chickens are coming home to roost.
Posted by: EminemsRevenge at December 19, 2006 01:29 PM
I used to believe, being from a time when balling up under your desk and bracing for a nuclear attack was practiced every week, that communism would slowly but surely overwhelm America ...and that we the people were aiding and abetting the theft of our own freedoms became evident when one day, for no apparent reason, no morning prayer took place, followed by removal of the bible from the classroom and accelerating with abortion on demand being contrived by the supreme court.
It seems weve added one evil after another, continuing down the path of no judgements and acceptance of even the most aberrant behaviour and the same warmed over commies are with us, only lying and hiding behind "the children" or the "opressed:.
After 9/11 when war was the only response left to us and we actually did something about the attack, i was heartened. Now comes the time when the most serious of decisions are to fall, not on Bush, but on the next president of the United States. There is no room for political correctness or acting like a multicultural stooge towards the enemy as im certain Hillary or Obama or any democrat would surely do.
Muslim roots or not, politically speaking Obamas no different than electing any other self righteous leftie narcissist who seeks power only to change America into a utopian communist state. This is reason enough to discard the man.
I read an article by an older man that reminded us not to put pen to paper in a way that would defy explanation years down the road after simmering tempers had cooled. Maybe, maybe not.
But this much is clear..islamic fundamentalism will overwhelm America if the wrong types of people are elected to run our nation. I agree with the person who pointed out that people are stupid and shallow, voting for what looks good disregarding either content or consequence.
I saw a bumper sticker the other day " Home of the free..because of the brave" No truer words have graced a bumper.
Posted by: icanplainlysee at December 19, 2006 06:38 PM
You all are idiots. Who cares what his name is, yeah, his voting record is liberal, hate him for that. But who f*cking cares that once upon a time his dad ran into muslims. The man is a self-proclaimed christian. And the ear thing, anyone with half a brain can see that it was only a joke, the man has a sense of humor, are you scared of that more than you are of terrorists coming over here to kill us all?
Get over your racism and bigotry. Dont judge a man by the color of his skin or his ancestral background, just because his dad was a muslim doesnt mean that he was.
Happy Ramadan Everyone
Posted by: p1gswillfly at December 19, 2006 11:24 PM
"who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage"
I won't be voting for a Democrat any time soon, but I think that's a very, very long stretch. Unless you have something concrete to back that up, you should withdraw it and apologize. Or at least drop it entirely until you get hard evidence for it. Pursuing it will only backfire. Stop it right now.
The fact is that with the way Democrats are fawning over him, he'll be President in 2016 if he wants and something really adverse doesn't surface.
Confine your attacks to his real deficiencies, such as his inexperience, even if they don't matter to Democrats.
Posted by: Jim C. at December 20, 2006 12:33 AM
I agree, Jim C. There's really no proof that this guy is going to bend over backward for Islamic fundamentalism just because his dad was a Muslim.
I also agree with questioning his experience. Just because a guy can deliver a good speech, doesn't mean he's fit to run the country. This guy needs more time in the Senate before anyone should even consider him as a candidate for the presidency.
Posted by: DudeSteak at December 20, 2006 09:36 AM
Here's some light to shed on Obama's lies.
His father was a Muzlum and under Sharia law that makes him a Muzlum in the eyes of Islam -- and subject to the death penalty for apostasy in the eyes of Islamists.
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-barack-obama-lying-about-his-life.html
Columnist Says Barack Obama 'Lied To The American People;'Asks Publisher to Withdraw Obama's BookTuesday August 10, 9:22 pm ET
NEW YORK, Aug. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Out2.com's independent contrarian columnist, Andy Martin, will publish a column and hold simultaneous news conferences in New York and London on Wednesday, August 11th to disclose he believes Barack Obama is a political fraud who "lied to the American people." Martin has asked Crown Books to stop sales of Obama's book because of its fraudulent content. Martin says Obama may be a threat to the Jewish community.
NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:
New York:Time/date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:00 A.M.Location: Northeast Corner of Fifth Avenue and 65thStreet (Temple Emanu-El)
London:Time/date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:00 P.M.Location: 2 Dryden Mansions, Queens Club Gardens London W14"I feel sad having to expose Barack Obama," says Martin, "but the man is a complete fraud. The truth is going to surprise, and disappoint, and outrage many people who were drawn to him. He has lied to the American people, and he has sought to misrepresent his own heritage.
"Obama's life story is vastly different from the one he portrays. My point: if he will lie about his mother and father, what else is he lying about? Can we expect 'bimbo eruptions?'"
Fiction: Obama stated in his (DNC) Convention speech: 'My father ... grew up herding goats.' The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly. It is a lie.
Fact: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. (His family owned the ranch, a substantial one, on which the goats, among other animals, including a substantial number of cattle, were also "herded?). His son, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman.
Fiction: Obama was given an 'African' name.
Fact: Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion. I am a strong supporter of the Muslim community, and I believe Muslims have been scapegoated. Obama has a great opportunity to be forthright. Instead, he has treated his Muslim heritage as a dark secret. His grandfather was named 'Hussein.' That is an Arabic-Muslim, not African, name. Hussein was a devout Muslim and named his son, Barack Senior, 'Baraka.' Baraka is an Arabic word meaning 'blessed.' Baraka comes out of the Koran and Arabic, not Africa.
"Barack Senior was also a devoted Muslim, and also chose a Muslim name for his son, our own Barack Obama, Junior. Again, his name was an Arabic and Koranic.
Obama has spent a lifetime running from his family heritage and religious heritage. Would his father have given his son a Koranic name if the father was not a devout Muslim? Obama's stepfather was also a Muslim. Obama will be the first Muslim-heritage senator; he should be proud of that fact. There is nothing to be ashamed of in any of the three great Abrahamic religions.
"Fiction: Obama Senior was a harmless student 'immigrant' who came to the United States only to study.
Fact: Obama was part of one of the most corrupt and violent organizations in Africa: the Kenyatta regime. Obama's father ran back to Kenya soon after the British left. It is likely Obama's father had Mau Mau sympathies or connections, or he would not have been welcomed into the murderous inner circle of rapists, murderers, and arsonists.
I believe Obama's secret shame at his family history of rape, murder and arson is what actualizes him. Our research is not yet complete. We are seeking to examine British colonial records. Our investigation to date has drawn on information on three continents.
"And what about Obama's beloved Kenyan brothers and sisters? None of his family was invited to Boston to share his prominence. Are his relatives being kept in the closet? Where are they? More secrecy, more prevarication.
"It is time for Barack Obama to stop presenting a fantasy to the American people. We are forgiving and many would still support him. It may well be that his concealment is meant to endanger Israel. His Muslim religion would obviously raise serious questions in many Jewish circles where Obama now enjoys support," Martin states.
"Our investigation is continuing. In he meantime, Crown Books should stop selling Obama's novelization of his life. We have asked Crown to do that. Obama is living a lie."
RESOURCES: Martin's columns at Out2.com (Govt & Politics); E-mail: andy@andymartin.com
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 20, 2006 11:59 AM
"Be that as it may, beware the charismatic leader who also happens to be an empty suit."
Agreed, Rocketman.
Posted by: Rob Brown at December 20, 2006 12:06 PM
Many people claim to be Christians -- that doesn't make it so. Obama apparently is lying about key points in his background. So what is he trying to cover up? There have been Muslim groups who have trained young Muslim men to act like Christian converts, even sending these young men to Christian universities, to aid their ability to infiltrate American society. So a Muslim claiming to be a Christian is not unheard of. The pertinent question is, Is Obama actually a Muslim practicing the well-known art of taqqiyah (lying to infidels) in order to infiltrate the halls of American power? It's a relevant question not because of the "sins of the father" as several liberal posters have claimed, but because of Obama's own lies (anybody remember any other Democrats who lied?) about his past. And it's a question that needs to be taken seriously if Americans are seriously thinking about handing this man a key to the Oval Office. As usual, the liberals will bury their heads in the sand because it's politically incorrect to impugn black Muslim orphans, but the question must be answered.
Posted by: mechmorph at December 20, 2006 01:22 PM
wow, is this all you got? i thought obama was a sellout for supporting the bankruptcy bill, but looking at this kind of reaction, i like him more all the time. (hillary supported dear leader's iraq catastrophuck, so i got no use for her.)
Posted by: benjoya at December 20, 2006 01:57 PM
"As usual, the liberals will bury their heads in the sand because it's politically incorrect to impugn black Muslim orphans, but the question must be answered."
Oh it must? Ok:
"Is Obama actually a Muslim practicing the well-known art of taqqiyah (lying to infidels) in order to infiltrate the halls of American power?"
No.
Anyone else need an easy answer for a mind-boggilingly racist and stupid question?
Posted by: Sarcastro at December 20, 2006 02:24 PM
What an incredibly stupid article. And (with a very small number of exceptions) what an incredibly stupid bunch of comments.
America? You can't handle America. Deal with it.
Posted by: DrFallon at December 20, 2006 03:21 PM
oops, just saw the rest of the site. i'll leave you to your rubber room [tiptoes out backwards]
Posted by: benjoya at December 20, 2006 03:37 PM
This is the most disgusting racist blogger I've ever read. Lady, you should be ashamed of yourself.
ISLAM IS NOW A RACE? HMMM . . . TELL THAT TO ALL OF THE MUSLIMS OF ALL RACES. HEY CLUELESS, IT AIN'T A RACE. IT'S A PHILOSOPHY, OF WHICH YOU ARE WOEFULLY IGNORANT. BUT, FOR THIS, *I* AM SUPPOSED TO BE ASHAMED?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . . . .
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL
Posted by: lieinveigleobfuscate at December 20, 2006 04:46 PM
I normally don't respond to these sorts of articles, but this one made me take the time to register for a user ID just so I could say the following.
Are you serious? This has got to be one of the stupidest, least logical arguments I have heard in a long time. How in the world do all of you who are responding approvingly to this article take yourselves seriously?
Barak can never stop being a Muslim? Is he Sunni or Shia? Do both of then view him as a crypto-muslim on their side? Did the muslim groups training young muslim men to act like christians and infiltrate our western democracy's to cause harm get trained in the old soviet sleeper agent camps? Can we all say ridiculous conspiracy theory? Has the right sunk so low that it has to draw tenuous conclusions from a person's name? If this what you have to offer it is not a wonder that you all lost so badly in the last elections. Please, please, please continue writing this crap because it only helps alienate the majority of this country.
Posted by: ml at December 20, 2006 04:46 PM
Notice how all of these posters who are bashing the article about Obama and his lies can't refute ANY one of the article's valid points. Notice how they're all blindly supporting Obama and his lies, but attack the person who exposed his lies.
These are the same people who defended Clinton for 8 years by attacking those who spoke the truth about him.
Obama said all those things at the DNC convention and have since been proven to be LIES!!!!!!!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're all disingenuous, duplicitous, hypocritical LIBERALS!!!
BWWWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 20, 2006 05:04 PM
Reading the comments makes me very sad. What has our great country become? Quivering at falsehoods thrown out by a fear monger?
It is shameful that bigotry is being tolerated by so many people. It is not PC to recognize a human for what he is and not what his religion is. It is being a human being and an American.
Thos of you going about criticizing Obama have no clue what America is about. And the author is feeding this hatred by a disgusting piece of opinion.
Very sad indeed.
Posted by: benwa at December 20, 2006 06:21 PM
Most of you people here are like extras from the cast of "Deliverance."
Posted by: dangovich at December 21, 2006 12:24 AM
So Debbie, Schlussel is in all likelyhood a German name, which if we apply the same logic to you that you applied to Obama, makes you a dangerous National Socialist, and thus not to be trusted.
It's a deeply disengenous little piece, why (for instance) did you not mention that he left the Muslim school he attended in Indonesia to attend a Catholic school for two years? That information was after all in the same article you quoted from.
Posted by: The Purple Cow at December 21, 2006 04:49 AM
Put simply, here is a black man, who has a commanding presence and a true opportunity to actually make significant progress towards the presidency of the US. Personally (as a black male), i doubt obama would win...the only way he could win is to get ALL of the BLACK, HISPANIC and ASIAN vote. BLack, Hispanic -- he could probably get; Asian -- doubtful; White -- he would probably get some white females to vote for him..in the end, he would not win; but his running would make a significant point.
Bottom line, Ms. Schlusel, you, like MANY other white people, despite refuting it to the core, have racist feelings and tendencies. For you to harp on the fact that the man has a muslim name or father; and that disqualifies him...frankly i believe you are looking for an excuse why this BLACK man SHOULD NOT be president. I would have MUCH more respect for you, were you to simply come up front and state point blank "Obama should not be president because america SHOULD NOT have a black president"
Posted by: mamusa at December 21, 2006 09:55 AM
AAAAHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
I just love these pious LIBERALS who are having conniptions and hissy fits over Osama Obama getting exposed for the lying piece of shit that he is.
The LIBERALS are climbing out of the woodwork on this blog employing the same old tired tactics of calling people "racist", "intolerant", "crackers from Deliverance", "islamophobes", etc. But, you know what? Those old tired tricks just don't work anymore. Your Osama Obama is a lying fraud, just as your other hero, Bill Clinton, is a lying fraud. But, you LIBERALS have ALWAYS loved liars becuase they feign to love America, yet do everything they can to destroy it.
The person responsible for that article, Andy Martin, is pro-muzlum, yet even he has had it with Osama Obama' lies.
Another lie from Osama Obama's speech during the DNC Convention, which was not included in that article, was that Obama said his father was a non-practicing Christian. Well, we all know THAT was a lie, also. But, you LIBERALS keep hiding your heads in the sand - the rest of America will not.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 21, 2006 10:28 AM
3 points to comment upon. Little Mr Thee_Bruno is akin to an ostrich with its head in the sand. but no matter how much you deceive yourself, the truth is rampant. i won't get into this liberal conservative shit...for all intents and purposes, we can see how eminently intelligent your republican hero (george 'silver spoon' bush) is. probably the only president in american history to absolutely destroy another country, and yet be absolutely clueless as to what to do next.
Back to the matter at hand, which is recognizing ignorance for what it is and dispelling it.
1. Islam has been in Africa for much, much longer than Christianity has been. There have been Islam converts in Africa much longer than CHristian converts. The national language of Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda is Swahili, which is derived from a mixture of Bantu languages and Arabic. Thus, to say that an African with an Arabic sounding name is somehow taking on another culture, is to admit your utter ignorance of history.
2. Jomo Kenyatta, though a dictator, while president of Africa, presided over one of the most economically succesful and peaceful countries on African soil. Despite all other African countries experiencing coups, Kenya never saw one under Kenyatta. So where do the rapists, et al come from? The Mau Mau was a revolutionary movement designed to rid Kenya of her colonial masters. The Mau Mau was composed mostly of Kikuyu and Akamba tribes, who dwelt in the Central Province of Kenya (where most of the British settlers lived); Obama's father and grandfather are Luo..hence the possibility of any of Obama's ancestors being involved in the Mau Mau are very remote. In addition, prior to pointing fingers at the Mau Mau, why not point fingers at the white colonists and all the atrocities they visited on the black Africans. Why not mention the countless amputees in LIberia, Congo, etc who lost limbs because they did not tap enough rubber, or mine enough gold or diamonds. Why not mention the injustices visited upon the black in SOuth Africa...or maybe in your little racist mind, it is perfectly okay for a black man to be defacated upon by a white man?
3. If, as you say, Obama's grandfather was a wealthy rancher in Kenya prior to independence; then i honeslty have to ask "What Kenya are you talking about?". Prior to independence, land ownership in Kenya was not a right, it was a priviledge afforded to very few white people. Thus, the probability of Obama's grandfather owning a vast ranch as you say, is highly unlikely. Second, even if he did own a vast ranch..let me pose a question: If I own Wal-Mart, am i not a store keeper? If I own a ranch, am i not a cattle herder? Thus if Obama's father or grandfather or whatever owned 1000 cows, 600 chickens and 400 goats, could he not be a goat herder?
Your intelligence disappoints me. I should stay away from you, your stupidity and ignorance could be contagious.
Posted by: mamusa at December 21, 2006 10:56 AM
Dear menstrual cycle;
You vomited;
"Islam has been in Africa for much, much longer than Christianity has been."
Wrong. Islam was invented in the 7th century a.d. Christianity was already spreading to Africa before mohammadans started their terror raids. (BTW, mohammadans spread islam through raids, forced conversions, and massacres). The apostles and their followers went to all parts of the world spreading the Word immediately after Christ's crucifixtion. ALSO, the Jews (believers in Judaism) lived in Egypt (north Africa) as guests of the pharoahs building cities about a couple thousand years before mohammad was spawned.
Now who's showing his ignorance of history?
"Jomo Kenyatta, though a dictator, while president of Africa, presided over one of the most economically succesful and peaceful countries on African soil."
Although Kenya, under Kenyatta, was prosperous by African standards, and he adopted some pro-western foreign policy initiatives, Kenyatta was intolerant of dissent, outlawing some opposition parties in 1969 and establishing a one-party state in 1974. During the rest of his presidency, Kenya was effectively a one-party state, and Kenyatta made use of detention, appeals to ethnic loyalties, and careful appointment of government jobs to maintain his commanding position in Kenya?s political system. You don't believe he used rape as a weapon, just as muzlums do? Were you there? Because all the reports suggest otherwise.
"Despite all other African countries experiencing coups, Kenya never saw one under Kenyatta."
That's because he turned Kenya into a one-party state, outlawing dissent and political opposition.
" If, as you say, Obama's grandfather was a wealthy rancher in Kenya prior to independence; then i honeslty have to ask "What Kenya are you talking about? ...Prior to independence, land ownership in Kenya was not a right, it was a priviledge afforded to very few white people."
Wrong. You're engaging in what is called "revisionist history". Osama Obama's grandfather DID own a very prosperous ranch.
Osama Obama's father was also involved with the Mau Mau terrorist movement after the British left Kenya. That's why he divorced and abandoned Osama and his mother, fled the U.S., then went back to Kenya to engage in the overthrow of Kenya's fragile independence. That's one of the reasons for Kenyatta's turning the country into a one-party state in order to prevent a coup.
Enough of your revisionism and your attempts at trying to baffle people with your bullshit. You threw in every African country trying to confuse people and you only resulted in confusing yourself. Leave now, and never darken this blog with your presence.
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 21, 2006 12:19 PM
Stepping aside from what is the "substance" of this article and the following comments for a second, are you guys kidding me with the "Banana Hussy Obamba" stuff? Does that actually qualify as humor to some people? "I can't stop laughing!"? Are you serious? How old are you, 9? I don't know any adults who still find funny the type of joke where you change someone's name around (usually a name that is foreign and, thus, unfamiliar) to something like "Banana Hussy Obamba".
Don't get me wrong, I like offensive and politically incorrect humor as much as the next guy. My problem with this isn't that it's offensive or politically incorrect. It's just plain stupid.
Posted by: friend680 at December 21, 2006 12:45 PM
The Mau Mau uprising as you call it, (actualy Muingi is the correct name) was not a terrorist movement but a Liberational movement. I know you extreme-right types like to label anyone who disagrees with you as a 'terrorist' - but down here on planet Earth, we don't use such idiotic generalizations.
Even so, it's highly unlikely that Obama senior was part of the Liberation movement (much as I would like to think so) because he was not a Kikuyu.
Posted by: The Purple Cow at December 21, 2006 12:45 PM
Congratulations, Ms. Schlussel, on attracting a wide range of racists, bigots, and ostriches to your site.
Just one point: This whole time, I was under the impression that we were 'fighting the war of our lives' against Terra, not Islam. Where did you glean this information, and can you point me to a source?
Best regards.
Posted by: congogirl at December 21, 2006 01:27 PM
Here's an idea for all to consider both left and right. Religion should have NOTHING to do with politics. This is a hit piece on him that had misleading and inaccurate information. This is known as a info war. regardless of your wing, left right center or cook you have to start looking at that. If he is a follower of Islam and a liar about his faith so be it. but you should always find at least 3 sources outside of where you first read or hear or watch a story before you even think about it being fact. Infowars are happening now in this country. The media is owned by a select when and they push thier agendas (left and right) by dividing people and stopping rational thought. Politicans have always been liars and self inportant and centered. Granted some go in well intentioned but in the end thier own self interest does take some kind of greater priority.
At any rate I'm not going to say she's wroug but I ask you to question her motives.
Posted by: joecitizen at December 21, 2006 02:30 PM
Well I see this site is in true propoganda fashion. all my comments have be removed from this site.
Posted by: joecitizen at December 21, 2006 03:03 PM
Who gives a fuck if he is Muslim but not technically, shit our constitution is built on freedoms and religion is one of them!
Posted by: I Fux at December 21, 2006 03:49 PM
"Osama Obama's father was also involved with the Mau Mau terrorist movement after the British left Kenya."
Just so that you know Thee_Bruno, the Mau Mau uprising was well and truly over many years before the British left Kenya
Posted by: The Purple Cow at December 21, 2006 04:43 PM
friend680 writes:
"...are you guys kidding me with the 'Banana Hussy Obamba' stuff? Does that actually qualify as humor to some people? 'I can't stop laughing!'? Are you serious?"
You just don't get it, friend680. See, Obama is black. Many of our more Confederate-minded citizens like to compare black people to monkeys. Monkeys eat bananas. I bet calling him "Banana Hussy Obamba" brings down the house at your average GOP or Klan meeting.
Posted by: Gen. JC Christian, patriot at December 21, 2006 05:45 PM
mamusa, you are right, except the Coptic church in east Africa is older that Islam.
All I can see that its about blackness,too. We have had no perfect candidate to run for any party. But a black person still has to be a super negro; more qualified and more pure than any white. This sounds like we are still in the fifties. Genetically any half black is as black as any other. Black is a state of race perpetrated by whites to define how blacks must be treated. Islam is the Red Herring in this case.
Posted by: VRB at December 21, 2006 06:20 PM
Considering how well our nation's most recent anti-Hussein effort has been handled, Obama's middle name will most likely work in his favor.
BTW, to whoever said Obama supported the bankruptcy bill: you should try looking at the actual roll call vote.
Posted by: Apartment 604 at December 21, 2006 09:04 PM
I'm not for everything posted on this site--but I will call a clown a clown--Obama is a clown. You supporters of this clown were the same ones rooting for Dean and Kerry last round. Hang in there, you still have Hillary as a plan B.
Posted by: BB at December 21, 2006 09:25 PM
One of the weakest excuses for a column I've read in my 44.8 years. If this is the best the "opposition" to a presumed DNC candidate for the White House can do by way of muckraking, Obama's stint as Commander-in-Chief is all but a slam-dunk.
Posted by: Scott Lahti at December 21, 2006 11:23 PM
I hate to engage in back and forth with little babies...but the truth needs to be told.
This is in response to Thee-Bruno:
Christianity was spread into Africa via Missionaries (first came the explorers, Livingston, et al.); they saw the minerals, then the kings of europe decided to conquer africa (the white man's burden they called it), but they needed to pacify the masses -- so they introduced christianity -- by FORCE -- because the natives were hesitant to adopt a foreign ideology, so they had to be given incentive. Islam was spreading in Africa LONG, LONG before christiantiy -- Thee_Bruno -- do some research, go to a library (know what that is??) and read on the history of religion and the history of africa..enlighten yourself and stop sounding like an idiot
Kenya under Kenyatta was not only prosperous by African standards, but by global standards as defined by the World Bank. Go check the world bank standards definitions for countries -- between 1963 - about 1976 -- and you will notice that Kenya was considered a 2nd class country -- not 3rd world, not 1st world..Kenya was on par with countries such as South Korea... i agree there was an element of corruption in Kenyatta's regime (just like no bid contracts to Haliburton -- the VPs former company) .. but rape??? please, where do you get your information from (Rush LImbaugh, Hitler, KKK???).You ask if i was there?? NO, but i know people who were there, were you there??? as for coups...you are indeed a fool... most (i'd say over 90%) of arfican countries were one-party states, yet most of these saw coups...thus Kenya being a one party state and not experiencing coups as a result of that is an illogical conclusion ... take some time and take some college courses on logic and critical thinking
i can not valdate that obama's grandpa owned a huge ranch, all i can say is that at that time, kenya was like south africa, wherein the british imposed apertheid -- africans could not own certain tracts of land, africans were second class citizens (well, i guess Thee_Bruno likes the black people where they belong...behind white people, right??)
as for obama's father being part of mau Mau -- there my friend you have proven without the slightest doubt how ignorant you are. Mau Mau was disbanded after Kenya's independence (actually slightly prior to that). It was an independence movement, so why maintain it after idependence? Thus to say that Obama's father was part of mau mau and as part of mau mau attempted to overthrow Kenyatta, is like saying that George Washingont commanded the confederate troops against Lincoln.
SO my dear little friend .. for your mind is feeble.. i am not a revisionist .. you are the revisionist..and for your info, i have grad degrees in philosophy and economics....
Get a life, get your facts straight, and stop being such a bigot!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year...make it your resolution to learn to get along with others Mr. Buno.
Posted by: mamusa at December 22, 2006 09:49 AM
Who cares what Obama's religion is.
There are no religious tests for public office in the US and there should be no political tests either.
But that's exactly what the far right is attempting to impose.
The right wants to make adherence to some vague form of Protestantism a sort of political test for holding office.
If Obama is willing to support and defend the Constitution, that's good enough for me.
Now. What about 'once a Muslim, always a Muslim'? What kind of nonsense is that? People change their minds about religion all the time. It's part of being American.
Posted by: Carl_W_Goss at December 22, 2006 12:17 PM
This making unfounded assumptions based on names looks like fun, can I play too?
Let's see, Debbie's last name is Schlussel, which is German for key. Since her last name is German, she obviously must be a Nazi. Oh, wait. That probably doesn't count as an unfounded assumption, since her ramblings above certainly make her look like she really is a Nazi.
Wait, let me try again...
I've got it, since her first name is Debbie, and she's a blonde, at least in the picture above, she's obviously brainless. No, that doesn't hold up as an unfounded assumption for the same reasons, she really does appear to be brainless.
Give me time, I'll come up with something...
Posted by: DocWeasel at December 22, 2006 01:52 PM
While all you idiot so called conservatives are worrying about muslims, your stolen utopia is being reclaimed by native indigenous people from so called latin america and you can't do anything about it. Within 20 years the majority in this land will be non white. And soon DNA will prove most of you so called whites are really 30% black. For years you have hidden behind the white mask when really most of you are poor southern white octoroon surfs trying to prove that you are better than others by being racists. The future is here.
Posted by: future at December 23, 2006 07:09 AM
No matter how much you try to obscure things by blowing smoke, you cannot refute ONE aspect of those arguments that exposed Osama Obama as a liar!
I love all you LIBERALS who came out of the woodwork to defend another LYING LEFTIST politician just as you defended Bill "Convicted of Perjury" Clinton.
All of you LIBERALS love to defend those who would tear down America!!!!
LIBERALS Hate Religion, But They Love Islam!
LIBERALS Hate America!
You LIBERALS have ALWAYS sided with America's enemies and those Democrap politicians who were useful idiots to their cause.
Democraps have always wanted to placate Communists of yesteryear and Muzlums of today.
No matter how much you try to obscure things by blowing smoke, you cannot refute ONE aspect of those arguments that exposed Osama Obama as a liar!
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Posted by: Thee_Bruno at December 23, 2006 09:21 AM
"you cannot refute ONE aspect of those arguments that exposed Osama Obama as a liar!"
errrr yes we can, dimbulb. Obama has not been exposed as a liar.
Posted by: The Purple Cow at December 23, 2006 11:51 AM
Wow... I got as far as the very first post and found utter nonsense:
"Barack Obama was originally named "Baraka." It is not an African name. It's an Arabic word meaning "blessed" and comes directly from the Koran."
Barack was originally named Barack -- same spelling as his father's name (He's a jr., his father was Sr.) It IS an African name. The only part you are correct about is that it means "Blessed."
"BTW, Obama lied about his father's religious denomination during the DNC Convention in 2004. He said his father was a non-practicing Christian. Let's see how the LIBERAL media uncovers this lie, as well. Don't hold your breath."
The reason you won't hear the media - "LIBERAL" or otherwise - report this is because it's a lie. Anyone with an internet connection can find the transcript of his speech and see that he made absolutely no mention of his father's religion.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/demconvention/speeches/obama.html
Posted by: Jewels324 at December 25, 2006 12:39 PM
"Barack Obama was originally named 'Baraka.' It is not an African name. It's an Arabic word meaning 'blessed' and comes directly from the Koran.
Thee_Bruno"
Right. 'Baraka' is an Arabic word meaning 'prayer' or 'blessing.' Guess what -- it didn't originate in the Koran. A cognate can be found in many related Semitic-Hamitic languages, used by many religions in the Middle East and North Africa, e.g.:
*Hebrew (i.e., Judaism): 'Baruch' (blessed), 'brucha'/'berakha' (prayer/blessing)
*Coptic (NOTE: Christian!): 'baraka' (blessing)
*Aramaic (NOTE: Christian!): 'baraka'/'birkah' (prayer/blessing), 'bereikh' (praise)
*Hausa (Nigeria and most of Western Africa): 'barka' (prayer/blessing)
*Swahili: 'baraka' (blessing)
*and the list could go on and on.
As for the spelling -- these are all mostly transliterations from languages not normally written in the Roman alphabet, so I wouldn't read anything sinister into the Barack/Baraka distinction.
It's interesting to note that bereikhah is an old Hebrew word for a pool of water -- which certainly is a blessing!
Can't we all just get along??!!
Posted by: maren at December 25, 2006 03:08 PM
"Can't we all just get along??!!"
No, because thee-bruno is a racist pig, I for one, would not want to get along with him.
Posted by: The Purple Cow at December 26, 2006 01:33 PM
IWHAT A PICKLE
Obama is a Dem, and the Muslims consider him one of them. Since Dems pander to Muslims for their votes, and Obama has to please both (or switch parties?), he's really in a bind.
Posted by: yonason at December 26, 2006 08:16 PM
"Obama is a Dem..."
No shit, sherlock.
".. and the Muslims consider him one of them."
no they don't.
" Since Dems pander to Muslims for their votes.."
No they don't.
".. and Obama has to please both (or switch parties?)"
No he doesn't.
".. he's really in a bind."
no he's not.
34 word post with 4 untruths and 1 statement of the totaly obvious. Must be some kind of record even for the average extreme-right nutjob.
Posted by: The Purple Cow at December 27, 2006 12:09 PM
About me:
I am an ex-Muslim, having left Islam after spending 11 years in its fold. One thing I am completely against, is extremism in any guise. I consider extremeism for anyone to promote something as fact without having verified the statements. That having been said
1. Hussein is a Muslim name
Hussein is an Arabic name. The name itself is not intrinsically Islamic anymore than the name Thomas is Christian, or Caesar is pagan.
One of our chief warfighters, General John Abizaid, has an Arabic last name which literally means "Father of Zaid." Simply possesing the name indicates nothing of his religious preference.
Similarly, the former Atlanta Falcons runningback Jamal Lewis was not somehow Muslim by default just because his given name of Jamal is Arabic.
2. And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it.
It is common knowledge in the Muslim community that what makes a person Muslim is that the person declares him or herself as one by uttering "there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger."
3. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back.
In Islamic law, in the event that a Muslim mand and his wife are divorced, the children go with the father - the rationale being that it is the father's responsibility to raise the children and ensure that they grow up to be good Muslims. There is no concept, as exists in Jewish thought regarding the Jewishness of the child being dependent on the faith of the mother, wherein a child is automatically Muslim by virtue of the faith of the father. As for there being no going back - were this true, then Islam's abhorrent laws against apostasy would not exist!
4. As best-selling author Scott Turow wrote in Salon, Obama went to a Muslim school for two years in Indonesia. His mother, Anna, married an Indonesian man (likely another Muslim, as Indonesia is Muslim-dominated and has the largest Islamic population in the world).
Joe stuck candy in his diaper as a child and left without him or his parents having paid for it. Later, his mother married a man who was once arrested for shoplifting. The obvious conclusion is that Joe, now 31, must necessarily be a thief. Please tell me you're kidding.
5. And Obama has a "born-again" affinity for the nation of his Muslim father.
Did I miss something? Nothing presented in the article suggested any "born-again" affinity as you term it, unless that is what is meant by simply having a desire to see where one half of your parentage came from. In that case, I guess I must have a "born-again" affinity for Puerto Rico sense I wanted to see where my biological father came from.
6. is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim
I'd be really curious as to how many Muslims you've discussed this opinion with, or perhaps, is this is an attempt to pawn of your own opinions as belonging to others.
7. who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage
Um, again, where did this come from? I can't say that there's nothing that suggests this, but there is certainly no proof of this in the article other than you simply saying it is so.
Now lest anyone get the purpose of my statements confused, this is not a defense of Barack Obama, and it definitely isn't defense of Islam - but just an objective look at what was stated.
Remember, extremists usually view objective statements that do not buy into their own views as being extremists statements for the other side.
God bless America, her people, her friends, and keep her safe.
I'M WELL AWARE THAT HUSSEIN IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT AS YOU WELL KNOW, IT IS A MUSLIM NAME. YOU WILL BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND TO MANY CHRISTIAN ARABS WITH THAT NAME. AND FYI, OBAMA IS NOT AN ARAB, NOR WAS HIS FATHER. HIS FATHER CHOSE THE NAME, NOT BECAUSE IT IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM. AS YOU WELL KNOW, NOT MANY NON-MUSLIMS WANT TO NAME THEIR KIDS AFTER ALI'S SON. AS FOR THE REST, I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR FALSE PREMISES AND FAILED LOGIC, AND SIMPLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO IT ALL. BUT YOU ARE WRONG.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL
Posted by: taalibeen at December 27, 2006 02:27 PM
Thank you for your attention and response to my post. Please, there is no need to "shout." I can "hear" you just fine.
1. I'M WELL AWARE THAT HUSSEIN IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT AS YOU WELL KNOW, IT IS A MUSLIM NAME. YOU WILL BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND TO MANY CHRISTIAN ARABS WITH THAT NAME. AND FYI, OBAMA IS NOT AN ARAB, NOR WAS HIS FATHER. HIS FATHER CHOSE THE NAME, NOT BECAUSE IT IS AN ARABIC WORD, BUT BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM.
Your logic is still very much flawed. There are many people whom, according to the declarations of faith that they have uttered, are Muslims but have the name 'Isa, which is the Arabic form of the name Jesus. By your logic, simply having the name should make them Christian; or is it your contention that the "having a name automatically makes you a member of a particular faith" game is a only works if the outcome makes a Muslim?
Again, even if his father was Muslim, that does NOT, in regards to Islamic law, or just plain common sense automatically make him one.
2. YOU WILL BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND TO MANY CHRISTIAN ARABS WITH THAT NAME.
And your point is? I personally have a friend who is white, his wife black, and of course their children are biracial. He and his family, like myself, were Muslims. They named their four daughters with Arabic names, one of them being Fatimah, which is a popular name among Muslims because it was the name of one of the Prophet Muhammad's daughters.
After leaving Islam for Christianity they did not rename themselves or their daughters.
Now these girls are Christians, have Arabic and by your call Islamic names. Their parents named them such because they WERE Muslims at the time of the births of their daughters.
How does any of that necessitate that they, the girls or their parents, MUST necessarily be Muslims now?
2. AS FOR THE REST, I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR FALSE PREMISES AND FAILED LOGIC, AND SIMPLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO IT ALL. BUT YOU ARE WRONG.
I don't claim to have all the answers and am certainly aware of my own propensity to be mistaken. Alas, it is a shortcoming I accept due to acknowledgement of the frailty of human nature as all other than God fall far short of God's perfection.
That being said, in regards to what I mentioned above, I guess I MUST be wrong, because you said I am.
I suppose you are the proof and no corroborating evidence need be provided.
Take care and God bless.
Posted by: taalibeen at December 28, 2006 07:18 AM
Oh and for the record, I know more non-Muslims named Fatimah than I do Muslims!
Oops, I meant to say that I know more Muslims who do not know that they are Muslims because they have that name, than I do Muslims who know they are Muslims because they have that name.
Posted by: taalibeen at December 28, 2006 07:22 AM
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Please forgive the lack of shaddah and other diacritical marks, the online keyboard at http://www.al-islam.com/key.htm does not accomodate them all.
But I trust that from context you know what I'm asking. Just curious.
Posted by: taalibeen at December 28, 2006 11:43 AM
Hah! Debbie.... let me ask you something.. If you are able to put up an obviously misleading picture of yourself up on your website (let's face it.. it stinks of photoshop or whatever the hell touch-ups you did to it) then why can't Barack Obama polish up his image? :) Now... you'll probably accuse me of fighting dirty and tell me what I just stated is irrelevant to the subject... well... so is your warped reasoning and wishy washy links and connections that your bigote
CheesyMuslim
01-25-2007, 08:55 PM
Sorry bout that,
1. But that last post was a long one.
2. Here's another link:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_obama_muslim.htm
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Barack Obama Is a Muslim
Netlore Archive: Email rumor alleges that probable U.S. presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama is a loyal Muslim who has lied about his religious background, including his claim to being a devout Christian
Description: Email rumor
Circulating since: January 2007
Status: False
Analysis: See below
Email example contributed by Bill W., 15 January 2007:
Subject:Fwd: Be careful, be very careful.
Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (black muslim) of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas. (white atheist ).
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father returned to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro -- a Muslim -- moving to Jakarta with Obama when he was six years old. Within six months he had learned to speak the Indonesian language. Obama spent "two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school" in Jakarta. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim while admitting that he was once a Muslim, mitigating that damning information by saying that, for two years, he also attended a Catholic school.
Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia. He met Obama's mother, Ann Dunham-a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas-at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. Obama, Sr. and Dunham divorced when Barack, Jr. was two.
Obama's spinmeisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came from his father and that influence was temporary at best.
In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.
Dunham married another Muslim, Lolo Soetoro who educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools. Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim.
Handsome . . . Charming . . . Winsome . . . Dangerous . . . Deceptive . . . Determined
Email example contributed by Cee K., 10 January 2007:
Subject: Obama
This is the "dude" that some people want to be the next President of the United States. Scary isn't it???????
Speaking bluntly, in a real presidential election, no one in their right mind would vote for Obama. That would be like voting for the guy who just moved in down the street from you, that you wave to from time to time but don't know a thing about. That's Obama. He's been a US Senator for about 100 days, give or take a week. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim while admitting that he was once a Muslim, mitigating that damning information by saying that, for two years, he also attended a Catholic school. Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia. He met Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. Obama, Sr. and Dunham divorced when Barack, Jr. was two. Obama's spinmeisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came from his father and that influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Dunham married another Muslim, Lolo Soetoro who educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools. Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world. Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim, which, ideologically, he remains today.
Comments: As of this writing, Illinois senator Barack Obama has yet to officially declare his candidacy for the presidency, but an Internet smear campaign has already been launched against him. We are asked to believe that Obama, who professes to be a practicing Christian and has spoken publicly of his "personal relationship with Jesus Christ," is in fact secretly a Muslim and has lied all along about his true religious affiliation.
No proof is offered by those who make these claims -- no sightings of Barack Obama attending a mosque, no pictures of him reading the Qur'an, praying to Mecca, or observing Islamic holidays with his family. The entire case, such as it is, rests on a confused and error-ridden recitation of Obama's upbringing and purported childhood influences. It also rests on -- or exploits -- a deep fear and suspicion of the Muslim faith.
Virtually everything we do know about Obama's parentage and upbringing, it should be stipulated, comes from the senator himself. Obama told the story of his search to uncover his African heritage in Dreams from My Father (Three Rivers Press, 2004), and shared further autobiographical details in The Audacity of Hope (Crown Publishers, 2006). He spoke at length about his Christian beliefs in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times interview with Cathleen Falsani. Must we take his word for everything? Not necessarily, but in the absence of contrary evidence we have no reason to seriously doubt Obama's own candid account of his life history.
Was Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a "radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia?"
No. Though Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was raised a Muslim, he had lost his faith and become a "confirmed atheist" by the time he attended college, according to his son. Obama's parents separated when Barack was two, his father moving not to Jakarta, but to the United States, where he attended Harvard. Eventually he returned to Kenya.
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Did Obama's mother go on to marry another Muslim named Lolo Soetoro who "educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools?"
Yes and no. When Obama's mother remarried, it was indeed to an Indonesian man named Lolo Soetoro, whom his stepson describes as a "non-practicing" Muslim. But it was his "secular" mother who supervised his education, Obama has written, sending him to both Catholic and Muslim primary schools after the family moved to Jakarta. There is nothing on record to indicate Obama attended a madrassa (Muslim religious school) run by Wahabbists, and in any case it's unlikely his mother would have chosen to expose him to such an extreme form of Islam given her stated abhorrence of religious closed-mindedness and her stated goal of giving him a well-rounded education, including in matters of faith.
Update: CNN has tracked down the school in question, the Basuki School in Jakarta, which a deputy headmaster described as a "public school" with no particular religious agenda. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment," he told CNN. A classmate of Obama's described the school as "general," with students of many religious backgrounds attending. Obama entered the school at the age of 8 and attended for two years.
Is it true that "Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim while admitting that he was once a Muslim?"
Once a Muslim? When? Unless I missed it while skimming Obama's two books and sundry interviews, the senator has never mentioned being a Muslim at any point in his life. Yes, he lived in a Muslim country during part of his childhood and briefly attended a Muslim school there, but he certainly wasn't raised a Muslim and has never been, so far as I can determine, a practitioner of that faith.
That anyone, let alone a sitting U.S. senator with designs on the highest office in the land, would conceal being a Muslim for twenty-odd years while going through the outward motions of practicing Christianity (or vice-versa, for that matter) is a truly bizarre accusation. I'd be tempted to dismiss it as paranoid lunacy if it weren't so obviously a crass, politically-motivated smear.
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SIrJamesofTexas
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