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Professor
01-15-2007, 09:18 PM
Echoes of history: Holocaust voices resurface at IIT

By Ron Grossman
Tribune staff reporter

January 14, 2007

When psychology professor David Boder arrived in Europe in 1946, World War II was scarcely over and Hitler's surviving victims were still coming to grips with the horrors they had suffered.

Scattered across Europe, some were just beginning to realize the enormity of the crime. Their view of the Nazi era had been limited to what could be glimpsed through barbed wire or a cattle-car window. There wasn't yet even a name for what they had endured.

Inspired by a plea from Gen. Dwight Eisenhower that the horrors of the concentration camps be documented, Boder hauled an unwieldy, primitive recording device overseas and began seeking out displaced people in transit centers and refugee camps across Europe.

The professor at the Illinois Institute of Technology would emerge with some of the earliest and fullest narratives of what came to be called the Holocaust.

For decades, the transcripts of his interviews lay neglected on a library shelf at the South Side school, only to resurface by happenstance. Now IIT is in the process of posting the material online for all to see and hear. The timing couldn't be more propitious: As the generation of Holocaust survivors comes to an end, the need to preserve firsthand narratives is ever more urgently felt.

Assembling a `mosaic'

When Boder conducted his interviews, the world was still grappling with the news that human beings had herded other human beings into gas chambers and crematoriums.

"That is why I interview many and have them tell their story. So from the little that I get from everyone, the mosaic, a total picture can be assembled," Boder is heard to say on one recording as he explains the project to Abraham Kimmelmann, a survivor of the Buchenwald concentration camp.

"Where were you when the war started?" he asks Kimmelmann, deported from his home in Poland as an adolescent. "What has happened to you? Tell me, possibly day by day, week by week, what has happened."

Eventually, stories like Kimmelmann's, and of the millions killed, were collectively designated as the Holocaust.

Richard Hirschhaut, project director of the Illinois Holocaust Museum and Education Center, notes that Boder's recordings are particularly valuable because they directly refute the persistent idea that none of it ever occurred. The museum will feature Boder's work in its new Skokie quarters, scheduled to open in 2008.

To Holocaust deniers--who aired their views last month at a conference in Iran--the Holocaust is an intellectual fabrication of academics and Jews that slanders Germans and, by providing a pretext for the founding of Israel, harmed Arabs.

But the subjects of Boder's interviews were widely dispersed and preoccupied with restarting their lives; they had neither the energy nor the means to come together to generate and coordinate stories into a vast conspiracy.

"There is something so pure and unvarnished about these interviews, an authenticity that is raw and personal and beyond denial," Hirschhaut said.

In August 1946, Boder interviewed Nechamah Epstein-Kozlowski in northern Italy. She had been interned in the Warsaw ghetto and sent to Auschwitz. Boder asked her about the crematoriums and gas chambers, disguised as showers--the ones called into question at the recent Iranian conference.

"When we went out at night, we saw the entire sky red from the glow of the fire. Blood was pouring on the sky," Epstein-Kozlowski responded. "When we went to the shower hall we saw the clothing, of the people who were not anymore, lying there."

Death leaves work unfinished

Boder spent years translating some 70 of his interviews into English from the half-dozen languages in which they were conducted. He died in 1961, leaving 39 still not transcribed.

A few were published in a 1949 book, "I Did Not Interview the Dead," that quickly went out of print. Raul Hilberg, who went on to become the pre-eminent Holocaust historian, said he once read a library copy.

"I was a student then and couldn't afford to buy books," said Hilberg, author of "The Destruction of the European Jews." "Years later, when I tried to get a copy from inter-library loan, I was told it was extremely hard to find."

IIT became reacquainted with Boder's work when Ellen Mitchell, head of the psychology department, got a letter asking what had happened to his projects. Not finding the transcripts, Mitchell feared she might have discarded them while cleaning out old file cases. In a panic, she ran to the library--and discovered them on an open shelf.

"I sat and read them, weeping, until late in the night," Mitchell said. "I realized we had to do something to make them available."

She took her discovery to Sohair Wastawy, then head of IIT's libraries and now chief librarian of Bibliotheca Alexandrina in Egypt, a modern reconstruction of the greatest library of the ancient world.

Wastawy, who holds a bachelor's degree in Hebrew studies, called her staff together.

"The transcripts weren't in good enough shape to be scanned into a computer," she said in a telephone interview from Egypt. "People volunteered to type and proofread them on their own time."

Mitchell, meanwhile, researched her predecessor's career, discovering he was European-born and trained as a psychologist in Lithuania, Russia and Germany. In the 1920s, he immigrated to Mexico, then to Chicago as a faculty member of Lewis Institute, a predecessor of IIT. Arch Pounian, a student of Boder's and his lab assistant, remembers him as a Renaissance man.

"He not only recorded his subjects' narratives, but had them sing children's songs they remembered," Pounian said. "He was a staunch exponent of using scientific equipment in psychological research."

A colleague of Boder's, Marvin Camras, had invented the first practical method of electronic recording, which used wire rather than the tape that soon replaced it.

`Their own Ernie Pyle'

Boder recalled the inspiration for his project in a 1947 issue of a campus publication, saying he thought the "paper and pencil" method inadequate to the task of preserving survivors' narratives.

"These people are entitled to their own Ernie Pyle," he said, referring to the celebrated war correspondent. "The exact recording of their tale seems the nearest and most feasible alternative."

Boder started his project as a psychologist but quickly changed his working method, Mitchell noted.

"He was a pioneer of understanding what we now call traumatic stress syndrome," she said. "But he found that psychological tests couldn't capture what his subjects had gone through. So he just let them make their own story, doing what's now called oral history long before historians would."

He repeatedly asked his subjects to flesh out their narratives, unwilling to let the slightest detail be lost to history. On one recording, Kalman Eisenberg recalled a Nazi execution.

Boder asked: "Did these people say anything before they were shot?"

Eisenberg replied: "The last words of those people--we heard nothing more but `Shema Yisroel.'" The Hebrew phrase, which translates as "Hear, O Israel," is the traditional deathbed prayer of Jews.

But Boder didn't just record Jewish victims. A few of his wires--which he deposited in the Library of Congress--memorialize Christians who suffered. IIT has had tape recordings made from the wire originals and is posting them online (at voices.iit.edu) after their sound is laboriously cleaned up. There are also plans to republish Boder's book.

When Hilberg, the historian, noted that every last recording is invaluable, he echoed a thought expressed 60 years ago by one of Boder's subjects.

"If one writes a book about something, so it is usually said that one writes always more than is true," Abraham Kimmelmann observed. "But in this case it is entirely the reverse. One can never tell enough and present the things how they really were."

Link: Still giving me trouble.

http://www.chicagotribune.com:/news/custom/religion/chi-0701140387jan14,1,2593856.story?coll=chi-religion-topheadlines

If you go to www.chicagotribune.com and look on the left side is a catagory marked Religion. Click that, it will take you to a list of stories, this being one of them.

Anti-Racism
01-15-2007, 11:21 PM
It's time to stop selfishly crying over the past. The Holocaust is a tiny event compared to many human tragedies, and if Jews keep whining about it, they'll make it happen again (note: I have nothing against the death of most religious people, as they're insane).

Professor
01-16-2007, 02:33 PM
It's time to stop selfishly crying over the past. The Holocaust is a tiny event compared to many human tragedies, and if Jews keep whining about it, they'll make it happen again (note: I have nothing against the death of most religious people, as they're insane).


I don't see any Jews whinning in the article. It's reporting that some old documents were found in which Jews recently freed gave testimony.

Anti-Racism
01-17-2007, 01:53 PM
I don't see any Jews whinning in the article.Â*



When psychology professor David Boder arrived in Europe in 1946, World War II was scarcely over and Hitler's surviving victims were still coming to grips with the horrors they had suffered.

Scattered across Europe, some were just beginning to realize the enormity of the crime. Their view of the Nazi era had been limited to what could be glimpsed through barbed wire or a cattle-car window. There wasn't yet even a name for what they had endured.


Time to get new glasses, then -- you're missing the pointless melodrama.

Every group seems to whine these days. Nothing can be simply stated, gotten over and then moved past.

Nemo
01-17-2007, 01:57 PM
“The only thing to be learnt from history is that nobody learns from history.â€
- William Golding, Close Quarters (1987)

Anti-Racism
01-17-2007, 02:20 PM
This Road is for Jews Only
Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel
By SHULAMIT ALONI

Jewish self-righteousness is taken for granted among ourselves to such an extent that we fail to see what's right in front of our eyes. It's simply inconceivable that the ultimate victims, the Jews, can carry out evil deeds. Nevertheless, the state of Israel practises its own, quite violent, form of Apartheid with the native Palestinian population.

The US Jewish Establishment's onslaught on former President Jimmy Carter is based on him daring to tell the truth which is known to all: through its army, the government of Israel practises a brutal form of Apartheid in the territory it occupies. Its army has turned every Palestinian village and town into a fenced-in, or blocked-in, detention camp. All this is done in order to keep an eye on the population's movements and to make its life difficult. Israel even imposes a total curfew whenever the settlers, who have illegally usurped the Palestinians' land, celebrate their holidays or conduct their parades.

http://counterpunch.com/aloni01082007.html

I support Zionist nationalism; I don't support the endless bitching about the Holocaust cause it was 60 years ago and the Jews were not blameless in its cause. Religions need to stop antagonizing those of us who live in reality, and this includes you, Christians... you need to taste the ovens.

Professor
01-18-2007, 01:18 AM
I think the Jews, and any other repressed group that has had to suffer has every right to whine, moan and pitch a fit. If I had to go through the Holocaust or the slave trade you bet I'd be complaining.

I do think there is a differance between awareness/education and becoming a victim. Some people argue the jewish community has become a group of victims. I don't know, I am not close to it. I think many African Americans have become apathetic; expecting affirmative action to work for them, and not realizing that some things everyone has to work hard for.

I realize this is can be looked at as a generalization, I am only talking about some individuals in a group.

Anti-Racism
01-24-2007, 05:15 PM
RACITS!!!1!

Just kidding. I don't think the holocaust or slavery is a big deal. Every ethnic group suffers such things. How many were lost to Mongols, or the Black Plague, or even our two disastrous world wars? Jewish losses were 4.5m at most; the rest of the world lost 65m at least. Same with Slavery. How many Africans were imported and went into slavery? 5m? Now we have 30m? Arabs have dealt with horrific wars, China has been wracked by war and genocide, Africa has more slaves now than were indentured under Western slavery, etc. etc. Life is suffering and we all suffer. Some whine, it's why they keep irritating people.

Hmm.

Majikman
04-15-2007, 05:32 PM
I think the Jews, and any other repressed group that has had to suffer has every right to whine, moan and pitch a fit.Â*Â*If I had to go through the Holocaust or the slave trade you bet I'd be complaining.Â*Â*

I do think there is a differance between awareness/education and becoming a victim.Â*Â*Some people argue the jewish community has become a group of victims.Â*Â*I don't know, I am not close to it.Â*Â*I think many African Americans have become apathetic; expecting affirmative action to work for them, and not realizing that some things everyone has to work hard for.Â*Â*

I realize this is can be looked at as a generalization, I am only talking about some individuals in a group.


There Is No Jewish Community......

There Is No White Community.....

There Is No Black Community......

There Is No Asian Community.....

There Is No Arab Community.....

Etc...Etc..Etc......

But There Is An American Community Being Torn Apart and Divided By Special Interest......

WMM

Professor
04-28-2007, 09:12 PM
There Is No Jewish Community......

There Is No White Community.....

There Is No Black Community......

There Is No Asian Community.....

There Is No Arab Community.....


I disagree. When you have pockets of people who gather together they form communities. It doesn't have to be huge, even if it is only the "Polish Neighborhood" or something like that. But it is a community for those in it.