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lily
01-13-2007, 10:36 PM
Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/12/AR2007011202220.html?referrer=email)

The War Within Sen. McCain
Vocal Supporter of Bush Is Increasingly Critical, Isolated

By Dan Balz and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, January 13, 2007; Page A01

There is no mistaking the anguish of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). Sitting in
his Senate office, he is uncharacteristically subdued, his voice at times
almost inaudible.

Although the Bush administration this week finally embraced his
long-standing call to send more troops to Iraq, McCain believes the way it
has handled the war "will go down as one of the worst" mistakes in the
history of the American military.



"One of the most frustrating things that's ever happened in my political
life," he said, "is watching this train wreck."

McCain, an all but announced presidential candidate, offered those
assessments toward the end of a lengthy interview Thursday night. No
politician in the United States is more clearly identified with President
Bush's new policy, and no politician has more to lose if it fails.
Democratic opponents have already coined a name for the troop "surge": the
McCain Doctrine.

McCain made it clear that he supports Bush's plan to send more than 20,000
additional U.S. troops to Iraq as the only way to prevent that country from
slipping further into chaos. "I cannot guarantee success, but I can
guarantee failure if we don't adopt this new strategy," he said.

But he also voiced deep frustration over what the war has done, both to this
country and to Iraq. "I think many things that have happened in the world
that are unfavorable to the United States are the result of our weakness in
the Iraqi conflict," he said.

Asked how the war may affect his candidacy, McCain shrugged off the
question. "I can't think about it or worry about it," he said. "I have to do
what I think is right."

On the night of Bush's speech, he told CNN's Larry King: "I would much
rather lose an election than lose a war."

The risk now is that both could be lost.

As a forceful advocate for a policy that appears to fly in the face of the
message voters sent in November, the politician who has long played for the
center of the electorate now finds himself isolated on the right.

"The war is going badly, and he is now the leading public advocate of more
of the same or even much more of the same," said Ron Klain, a Democratic
strategist and chief of staff to then-Vice President Al Gore. "That's an odd
place to be."

At a time when many Republicans are voicing opposition to Bush's plan,
McCain is not budging. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), one of McCain's
closest friends in the Senate, explained the political stakes in the
simplest terms. "If we're successful, he'll get the benefit," Graham said,
referring to Iraq. "If we fail, he'll get the blame."

Buck Laser
01-13-2007, 10:45 PM
A good many of us have been wondering if McCain's hunger for the presidency, or his years in captivity rotted in his mind.

lily
01-13-2007, 11:56 PM
My money is on your first choice.

BoogyMan
01-14-2007, 12:11 AM
[snarky question mode on]

I don't guess McCain's view on this could possibly have anything to do with it being the right thing to do?

[snarky question mode off]

McCain made it clear that he supports Bush's plan to send more than 20,000 additional U.S. troops to Iraq as the only way to prevent that country from
slipping further into chaos. "I cannot guarantee success, but I can guarantee failure if we don't adopt this new strategy"

lily
01-14-2007, 12:19 AM
[snarky question mode on]

I don't guess McCain's view on this could possibly have anything to do with it being the right thing to do?

[snarky question mode off]
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Well, then McCain and this administration are the only ones that think that. Boogey........even staunch Republicans are against this. He's tried it now, what 4 or 5 times...........but somehow this is going to work now?

BoogyMan
01-14-2007, 12:41 AM
[snarky question mode on]

I don't guess McCain's view on this could possibly have anything to do with it being the right thing to do?

[snarky question mode off]
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Well, then McCain and this administration are the only ones that think that. Boogey........even staunch Republicans are against this. He's tried it now, what 4 or 5 times...........but somehow this is going to work now?


*SOME* are against it Lily. You speak as if the democrats have effected a mass conversion of ideologies within the republican party, when in fact only a few have changed their views.

lily
01-14-2007, 01:10 AM
Give it time, Boogy..........freedom is hard when you've been denied it so long.:P

BoogyMan
01-14-2007, 01:20 AM
Give it time, Boogy..........freedom is hard when you've been denied it so long.:P


That is true Lily, and your usage of it in this scenario debases the idea.

lily
01-14-2007, 01:32 AM
Well Boogy, that's the good thing about opinions........everybody has one.

BoogyMan
01-14-2007, 01:34 AM
Yes, I see that you do.

Thirdparty
01-14-2007, 04:08 AM
[snarky question mode on]

I don't guess McCain's view on this could possibly have anything to do with it being the right thing to do?

[snarky question mode off]
"

Well, then McCain and this administration are the only ones that think that. Boogey........even staunch Republicans are against this. He's tried it now, what 4 or 5 times...........but somehow this is going to work now?


SOME staunch Republicans are. Some of us would like to win this war, Lily.

Thirdparty
01-14-2007, 04:09 AM
Well Boogy, that's the good thing about opinions........everybody has one.



And yours seems to be you would rather us lose the war and prove Bush wrong than win it and you be proven wrong.

At least McCain made a choice and sticks to his guns. More than these Dems who voted for the war and are now like little tattletales "I told you so" when we hit a rough patch.

NortheastCynic
01-14-2007, 04:18 AM
McCain is a high class whore. If there's a camera within 2 miles of the District of Columbia you can bet that John McCain will be in front of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a maverick, but the bottom line is that he is yet another big gov't politician. Oh, and here's my favorite part about him, when he was spearheading the illegal campaign to set Major League Baseball's steroid policy guess what committee he used...Give up...The Senate Committee on Government Reform. It'd be hysterical if it wasn't so infuriating.

-NC

lily
01-14-2007, 04:25 AM
SOME staunch Republicans are. Some of us would like to win this war, Lily.


And yours seems to be you would rather us lose the war and prove Bush wrong than win it and you be proven wrong.

Yeah........you found us out, Thirdparty.:rolleyes:......that's what it's all about.:rolleyes:

At least McCain made a choice and sticks to his guns. More than these Dems who voted for the war and are now like little tattletales "I told you so" when we hit a rough patch.

Tattletales????: TP.......we've done this 5 times now.....but if you say 5 times is a charmer, who am I to agrue?

Thirdparty
01-14-2007, 09:09 PM
Well, Lily, it sure seems you have lots of complaints but no solutions about Iraq. What are your solutions, by the way?

lily
01-15-2007, 12:06 AM
TP........my solutions haven't changed since I've known you.

Let the Iraqis re-build their own country, instead of hiring foreigners at triple the price. Nothing gives you more pride than saying I did that. Oh, sure Bush is doing it now four years later and with less money than he paid the foreigners to rip us off. In the mean time, the only people that were hiring were the police, the army and the insurgents. Not all people are cut out for that type of work.

Gradually pull back the troops, and let those soldiers that we've been training for going on four years now do the fighting. Now I understood when told one year wasn't enough training, when our soldiers get what, 6 months.........but come on!Â*Â*Sometimes you just got to let go of the bike and see if they can peddle or if they fall....and if they fall, they can get right back up on that bike and tryÂ*Â*it again.

Want more of a rant, or is it all coming back?;)

But back on topic......at least McCain is taking a stance, even if it is the wrong one. That's more than I can say for Hillary.