Are you Jewish?

[billy pilgrim]

And does that affect your political beliefs?

[BoogyMan]

Hi Billy and welcome to the forums.

I am Irish and don't actually see that it has anything to do with my political views.

[billy pilgrim]

That is a good point, but do you consider issues that pertain to the Irish as a whole not pertaining to you as an individual? What if laws were enacted which affected you as an Irish person?

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

What if laws were enacted which affected you as an Irish person?



Aren't those "public intoxication" laws aimed at the irish?

[BoogyMan]

That is a good point, but do you consider issues that pertain to the Irish as a whole not pertaining to you as an individual? What if laws were enacted which affected you as an Irish person?


What would those issues and laws be Billy?

[billy pilgrim]

What would those issues and laws be Billy?

Irirish cultual issues, St. Patrick's day laws.

[BoogyMan]

What would those issues and laws be Billy?

Irirish cultual issues, St. Patrick's day laws.


I find it a bit presumptuous to consider all Irish to be bound by what you call "Irish cultural issues."

[Buck Laser]

My grandmother was a quarter sephardic Jew. One of her grandparents came from Portugal. I don't claim to be Jewish myself, though. I support Israel's right to exist, and I think President Carter has published the clearest-eyed analysis of the Palestinian situation yet. In the eyes of some Jews and some apocalyptic Xns, this seems to make me anti-semitic.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

I think President Carter has published the clearest-eyed analysis of the Palestinian situation yet.


Carter's latest book seems clearly anti-semitic.

[Viper2]

And does that affect your political beliefs?



I'm not Jewish - however, I do feel that Israel deserves to be supported as an ally.

[Viper2]

What would those issues and laws be Billy?

Irirish cultual issues, St. Patrick's day laws.


???? And this has what to do with being "Jewish" ?????

[Viper2]

What would those issues and laws be Billy?

Irirish cultual issues, St. Patrick's day laws.


I find it a bit presumptuous to consider all Irish to be bound by what you call "Irish cultural issues."


Excellent point. I'm wondering if you could advise me as to how we went from being Jewish to Irish cultural issues ?????

[Viper2]

My grandmother was a quarter sephardic Jew.Â*Â*One of her grandparents came from Portugal.Â*Â*I don't claim to be Jewish myself, though.Â*Â*I support Israel's right to exist, and I think President Carter has published the clearest-eyed analysis of the Palestinian situation yet.Â*Â*In the eyes of some Jews and some apocalyptic Xns, this seems to make me anti-semitic.



With all due respect -

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/12/6/171349.shtml?s=al&promo_code=2A43-1

Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2006 5:06 p.m. EST
Aide: Jimmy Carter 'Invented Segments' for Book

A longtime aide to Jimmy Carter has resigned from the Carter Center think tank, calling the former president's new book on Israel and the Arabs one-sided and filled with errors.

Kenneth Stein, the Carter Center's first executive director and founder of its Middle East program, sent a letter that bluntly criticized the book to Carter and others.

Stein wrote that the book, "Palestine: Peace, Not Apartheid," was replete with factual errors, material copied from other sources and "simply invented segments," according to an excerpt of the letter published by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Additionally, Carter has lauded Arafat who was an outright terrorist and stole billions of dollars from his own people to fund his terrorist activities and fill his Swiss bank account.

Carter is a miserably failed persident, an anti-American and anti-Jewish. The only good thing he did IMHO was Habitat for Humanity, other than that, it's all down the toilet.

[firefox]

Why? Sounds like interstate welfare to me! ;)

[Buck Laser]

I think President Carter has published the clearest-eyed analysis of the Palestinian situation yet.


Carter's latest book seems clearly anti-semitic.


Have you read, or are you reading the book? Or are you just responding to what you've heard? I'm in the middle of reading it, and what I say about it is my own actual judgment.

[Viper2]

Why? Sounds like interstate welfare to me! ;)


Interstate or International :P

[Viper2]

I think President Carter has published the clearest-eyed analysis of the Palestinian situation yet.Â*Â*


Carter's latest book seems clearly anti-semitic.


Have you read, or are you reading the book?Â*Â*Or are you just responding to what you've heard?Â*Â*I'm in the middle of reading it, and what I say about it is my own actual judgment.



Question - how does Carter assess the Palestinain mantra of suicide bombers, the Islamic Jihad, and the Qur'an as the basis for their actions ???

Question - how does Carted reference Arafat's involvement in all this ???

Yes, I will state that Israel does carry some of the blame in the region, however another question - how does Carted evaluate the almost immediate attack on Israel by 5 Arabic nation-states in an attempt to "wipe them off the fact of the map", after they were given land by the UN ???

[AlonzoMourning23]

Yes, I will state that Israel does carry some of the blame in the region, however another question - how does Carted evaluate the almost immediate attack on Israel by 5 Arabic nation-states in an attempt to "wipe them off the fact of the map", after they were given land by the UN ???

So, how would you feel about the U.N. giving Texas to the french?

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

Yes, I will state that Israel does carry some of the blame in the region, however another question - how does Carted evaluate the almost immediate attack on Israel by 5 Arabic nation-states in an attempt to "wipe them off the fact of the map", after they were given land by the UN ???

So, how would you feel about the U.N. giving Texas to the french?


Which has nothing to do with anything.

[Anti-Racism]

What would those issues and laws be Billy?

Irirish cultual issues, St. Patrick's day laws.


Or if Ireland were partially occupied by Palestinians...

Race, religion, ancestry, heritage and culture: they all influence your politics directly. Free will is a myth for morons.

[Viper2]

Yes, I will state that Israel does carry some of the blame in the region, however another question - how does Carted evaluate the almost immediate attack on Israel by 5 Arabic nation-states in an attempt to "wipe them off the fact of the map", after they were given land by the UN ???

So, how would you feel about the U.N. giving Texas to the french?


Apples and oranges as a comparison, as this was part of the British mandate at the time.

I notice that you capatialized Texas but did not do the same for the "f"rench - so I conclude that you don't hold any strong feelings for them either.

[Viper2]

Yes, I will state that Israel does carry some of the blame in the region, however another question - how does Carted evaluate the almost immediate attack on Israel by 5 Arabic nation-states in an attempt to "wipe them off the fact of the map", after they were given land by the UN ???

So, how would you feel about the U.N. giving Texas to the french?


Which has nothing to do with anything.


In this point, I agree with you 101% :)

[Cobra]

Do I have Jewish blood?

Not as far as I know.

[Viper2]

Anti-Racism:
Race, religion, ancestry, heritage and culture: they all influence your politics directly.

Very true, along with many other internal and external factors.

Free will is a myth for morons.

Question - what leads you to make this statement ???

[Anti-Racism]

All people are bound by ethnic self-interest, unless they are multiethnic, in which case their goal seems to be to destroy those of other ethnicities.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Yes, I will state that Israel does carry some of the blame in the region, however another question - how does Carted evaluate the almost immediate attack on Israel by 5 Arabic nation-states in an attempt to "wipe them off the fact of the map", after they were given land by the UN ???

So, how would you feel about the U.N. giving Texas to the french?


Apples and oranges as a comparison, as this was part of the British mandate at the time.

I notice that you capatialized Texas but did not do the same for the "f"rench - so I conclude that you don't hold any strong feelings for them either.


It was not their land to give is the whole point. They had no more right to it than the french had a right to vietnam, or Belgium to Congo.

And, if you want my capitalization to indicate personal opinion, you need to switch it around.

[Anti-Racism]

Free will is a myth for morons.

Question - what leads you to make this statement ???


From a philosophical perspective, "free will" is an untenable position, although "choice" is not. Free will implies independence from precursor factors, which makes no sense given (a) genetic basis of human intuition and intelligence (b) inherent knowledge (c) experience.