GOP and civil rights

[Professor]

I am currently reading Barrack Obama's latest book, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream (http://www.amazon.com/Audacity-Hope-Thoughts-Reclaiming-American/dp/0307237699/sr=1-1/qid=1168282040/ref=sr_1_1/104-6282536-9583907?ie=UTF8&s=books). I came across an interesting thought in it the other day. What do you guys think? I am especially interested in hearing from the southerners on this.



Throughout the fifties and early sixties, the GOP too, tolerated all sorts of philosophical fissures- between the Western libertarianism of Barry Goldwater and the Eastern paternalism of Nelson Rockefeller; between those who recalled the Republicanism of Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, with it's embrace on federal activism, and those who followed the conservatism of Edmond Burke, with it's preferance of tradition to social experimentation. Accommodating these regional and temperamental differences, on civil rights, federal regulation, or even tax cuts, was neither neat nor tidy. But as with the Democrats, it was mainly economic interests that bound the GOP together, a philosophy of free markets and fiscal restraint that could appeal to all it's constituent parts, from the Main Street storekeeper to the country club corporate manager. (Republicans may have also embraced a more fervid brand of communism in the fifties but as John F Kennedy helped to prove, Democrats were more than willing to call and raise the GOP on that score whenever an election rolled around.)

It was in the sixties the upended these political alignments, for reasons and in ways that have been well chronicled. First the civil rights movement arrived, a movement that even in it's early, halcyon days fundamentally challenged the existing social structures and forced Americans to choose sides. Ultimately, Lyndon Johnson chose the right side of this battle, but a son of the South, he understood better than most the cost involved with that choice: upon signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he would tell aide Bill Moyers that with a stroke of the pen he had just delivered the South to the GOP for the foreseeable future.

[Thirdparty]

Well, I am not a southerner, but am a black American,Â*Â*I think Obama is right.

The GOP of today does not resemble the GOP of Rockerfeller, Ford, or even Bush One. Bush One looks tame compared to GW on social issues and a variety of issues.

I think one thing people often leave out is that Lincoln was GOP and he freed the slaves and fought the Civil War. While the Dems latched onto Civil Rights way before the GOP, I don't agree with quota systems and the joke that has become Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I think the Dems have run amok with entitlements and too many special interests. I think the GOP will regain some moderation on domestic and social issues after GW.

What I would really like to see is someone like Colin Powell run who is moderate on social issues and yet good on foreign policy. He is a reluctant warrior, and I think he knew Iraq was going to be trouble. Obama is a lightweight on foreign policy and should wait until 12 to run, but he won't, as the press has almost already crowned him a nominee.

[ECW]

Colin Powell won't run for three reasons:

(1) He can't get past the neocon cabal to the nomination
(2) He is linked to the failure in Iraq and that will be his albatross
(3) His wife does not want the exposure of their personal life that would be required if he runs for president AND she's a Democrat.

Obama is correct in that the good old boys of the South who were Democrats BECAUSE of Lincoln have now turned into Republicans because of LBJ. Be gone and good riddance. You can have all those narrow minded bigots that vote the race card everytime and stuff them into the GOP. We don't want them.

[Labrocca]

The GOP isn't the party for blacks...it's the party for AMERICANS. And Bush has done LOT'S to grab the black vote. Unfortunately Katrina was a disaster and many incorrectly blamed Bush (thanks Kanye West you hump). Barack Obama is just ONE black democratic leader that is (dare I say this) normal. Colin Powell has always stated he will NOT run for president. It's just not what he wants. I am sure after being close to Bush and seeing how being in the white house makes you the target of every liberal on a day to day basis isn't fun.

And ECW...it's normally the Dems that bring out the race card. This thread is a good example.

[ECW]

Bringing it out and voting it are two different things, my dear Labrocca.

[Labrocca]

Awe...you called me dear. And here I didn't think you liked me. :)

hehe...

btw...wtf do you mean?

[ECW]

btw...wtf do you mean?


Bringing out the race card: when a black gets their nuts in a vise, they blame racism as the reason they got caught. There are many white sympathizers to this tactic, which I am not one. (Democratic problem)

Voting the race card: A candidate runs for office with an agenda that matches your agenda to a T but you don't vote for them because they are not white. (Republican problem)


Awe...you called me dear.Â*Â*And here I didn't think you liked me. :)

hehe...

I like you just fine. We just disagree on how to get things done, that's all. It is not and never has been personal.

[Thirdparty]

Colin Powell won't run for three reasons:

(1) He can't get past the neocon cabal to the nomination
(2) He is linked to the failure in Iraq and that will be his albatross
(3) His wife does not want the exposure of their personal life that would be required if he runs for president AND she's a Democrat.

Obama is correct in that the good old boys of the South who were Democrats BECAUSE of Lincoln have now turned into Republicans because of LBJ. Be gone and good riddance. You can have all those narrow minded bigots that vote the race card everytime and stuff them into the GOP. We don't want them.



ECW,

So , there are no racists in the donkey party? Robert "white sheet' Byrd comes to mind. I am sure there are others.

[AlonzoMourning23]

NAACP doesn't seem to think Byrd's a racist.

[Thirdparty]

NAACP doesn't seem to think Byrd's a racist.


I am making a point that racisim is not limited to one party. There are lots of closet racists out there. ECW, Viper, Lily, Pirate, and some others may remember when I posted on another forum that it was in an elite eastern university that a cross burned on my lawn, never in the so called "closed mindedness" of Arizona, New Mexico, Virginia, or Nevada where I have also lived.

Racism is funny. It is a term that is used a lot, but I find that that some of the most virulent racists are usually the quietest and least suspecting people you would think it of.

[ECW]

Colin Powell won't run for three reasons:

(1) He can't get past the neocon cabal to the nomination
(2) He is linked to the failure in Iraq and that will be his albatross
(3) His wife does not want the exposure of their personal life that would be required if he runs for president AND she's a Democrat.

Obama is correct in that the good old boys of the South who were Democrats BECAUSE of Lincoln have now turned into Republicans because of LBJ. Be gone and good riddance. You can have all those narrow minded bigots that vote the race card everytime and stuff them into the GOP. We don't want them.



ECW,

So , there are no racists in the donkey party? Robert "white sheet' Byrd comes to mind. I am sure there are others.


I never said that. Nice try at a strawman there. But you are right. There are racists in both parties but the main reason that the south went from being a Democratic stronghold to a Republican one is that the good old boys that supported the Democrats went to the GOP after 1965. En masse. They are very quiet and they do keep their heads down. And they vote Republican overwhelmingly.

Colin Powell doesn't have a chance.

[Thirdparty]

Colin Powell won't run for three reasons:

(1) He can't get past the neocon cabal to the nomination
(2) He is linked to the failure in Iraq and that will be his albatross
(3) His wife does not want the exposure of their personal life that would be required if he runs for president AND she's a Democrat.

Obama is correct in that the good old boys of the South who were Democrats BECAUSE of Lincoln have now turned into Republicans because of LBJ. Be gone and good riddance. You can have all those narrow minded bigots that vote the race card everytime and stuff them into the GOP. We don't want them.



ECW,

So , there are no racists in the donkey party? Robert "white sheet' Byrd comes to mind. I am sure there are others.


I never said that. Nice try at a strawman there.Â*Â*But you are right. There are racists in both parties but the main reason that the south went from being a Democratic stronghold to a Republican one is that the good old boys that supported the Democrats went to the GOP after 1965. En masse. They are very quiet and they do keep their heads down. And they vote Republican overwhelmingly.

Colin Powell doesn't have a chance.


Not a strawman at all. You are making the GOP out to be all bigots. I am saying there are bigots in the Gop, but also in the Dem party.

Also, I belive Carter and Clinton broke that belief for a total of 12 years. The Dems would have won even more in the South had they not nominated Brahmin Elitists like Dukakis and Kerry.

It is a little more complex than you make out, ECW.

[Thirdparty]

Colin Powell won't run for three reasons:

(1) He can't get past the neocon cabal to the nomination
(2) He is linked to the failure in Iraq and that will be his albatross
(3) His wife does not want the exposure of their personal life that would be required if he runs for president AND she's a Democrat.

Obama is correct in that the good old boys of the South who were Democrats BECAUSE of Lincoln have now turned into Republicans because of LBJ. Be gone and good riddance. You can have all those narrow minded bigots that vote the race card everytime and stuff them into the GOP. We don't want them.



ECW,

So , there are no racists in the donkey party? Robert "white sheet' Byrd comes to mind. I am sure there are others.


I never said that. Nice try at a strawman there.Â*Â*But you are right. There are racists in both parties but the main reason that the south went from being a Democratic stronghold to a Republican one is that the good old boys that supported the Democrats went to the GOP after 1965. En masse. They are very quiet and they do keep their heads down. And they vote Republican overwhelmingly.

Colin Powell doesn't have a chance.


And by the way, you are wrong on Powell, also. He has enough respect to be voted in by both parties.

He is also a Democrat or INdependent, although he has never come out and said that, he has alluded to not being GOP

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

Powell has no chance at all, the left think he was Bush's stooge and the right thinks he turned his back on them.

[ECW]

Not a strawman at all. You are making the GOP out to be all bigots. I am saying there are bigots in the Gop, but also in the Dem party.

Also, I belive Carter and Clinton broke that belief for a total of 12 years. The Dems would have won even more in the South had they not nominated Brahmin Elitists like Dukakis and Kerry.

It is a little more complex than you make out, ECW.


Read it again, my friend. I stated that the good old boys went GOP. I never claimed that all Republicans are bigots or racists. I admitted that there were bad apples in both parties but the lion's share of the power elite who held sway in the south as Democrats are now Republicans and they took their beliefs with them.

[Thirdparty]

Not a strawman at all. You are making the GOP out to be all bigots. I am saying there are bigots in the Gop, but also in the Dem party.

Also, I belive Carter and Clinton broke that belief for a total of 12 years. The Dems would have won even more in the South had they not nominated Brahmin Elitists like Dukakis and Kerry.

It is a little more complex than you make out, ECW.


Read it again, my friend. I stated that the good old boys went GOP. I never claimed that all Republicans are bigots or racists. I admitted that there were bad apples in both parties but the lion's share of the power elite who held sway in the south as Democrats are now Republicans and they took their beliefs with them.



Ok, my apologies.

Also, I think these claims will need to be reexamined. Most of the "good old boys" of either party are retiriing or dying, and new generations are arising.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

There is little doubt that the GOP is the anti-racism party, then and now.

[ECW]

Also, I think these claims will need to be reexamined. Most of the "good old boys" of either party are retiriing or dying, and new generations are arising.


Perhaps, but most of the younger bastards are in their 70's now and are still alive and kicking. Their children may have mellowed some but I don't think so.

[Guitarmitch]

Lets be honest here:

African americans vote majority democrat because democrats promise them the most free stuff.

They vote minority republican because republicans want them to do for themselves.

If someone keeps promising to give you free stuff, and actually comes through once in a while, in time, you will come to expect it. You will be so used to it getting handed to you, you will forget how to get it yourself. This holds true for individuals as well as groups.

People will always need help, the republicans feel a line should be drawn, and frankly, I dont believe the democrats think there should be any line.

African americans will never truly rise until they learn to do it themselves. They will never learn to do it themselves if the democrats keeps telling them they cant do it, and then promises them free stuff to get elected.

I mean, we are being honest here.

As an aside, I'll be called a racist for my post, but nothing I said was racist.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

The fact is it is in the Dems best interest to keep minorities down, it's a large part of their voting block.

[Thirdparty]

Lets be honest here:

African americans vote majority democrat because democrats promise them the most free stuff.

They vote minority republican because republicans want them to do for themselves.

If someone keeps promising to give you free stuff, and actually comes through once in a while, in time, you will come to expect it. You will be so used to it getting handed to you, you will forget how to get it yourself. This holds true for individuals as well as groups.

People will always need help, the republicans feel a line should be drawn, and frankly, I dont believe the democrats think there should be any line.

African americans will never truly rise until they learn to do it themselves. They will never learn to do it themselves if the democrats keeps telling them they cant do it, and then promises them free stuff to get elected.

I mean, we are being honest here.

As an aside, I'll be called a racist for my post, but nothing I said was racist.


Well, considering both Reagan and Clinton moved many off welfare to workfare, your premise is accurate, but beginning to change.

As a black, I would agree with your post. But not all blacks want a handout. In fact, most don't . We have LBJ and the Great Society to thank for the welfare nation.

[ECW]

Lets be honest here:

African americans vote majority democrat because democrats promise them the most free stuff.

Most of the African Americans I know vote Democratic because the racists they know are in the Republican Party. Simple as that.

As an aside, I'll be called a racist for my post, but nothing I said was racist.

That is open to interpretation as well.

[alias]

The democrat party is historically a racist party.Â*Â*The democrat party was the party who opposed the civil rights legislation in the early 60s.Â*Â*I was there.Â*Â*It was a democrat governor who blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.

Harry Belafonte called Colin Powell the "house nigger" and another liberal called Condi Rice "Aunt Thomasina".

[AlonzoMourning23]

The democrat party is historically a racist party.Â*Â*The democrat party was the party who opposed the civil rights legislation in the early 60s.Â*Â*I was there.Â*Â*It was a democrat governor who blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.

And a democratic president is the one who signed the civil rights act. And it was the republican party that many dixiecrats fled to. And a higher percentage of republicans, when broken into north and south (ie. northern republicans vs northern democrats and southern republicans vs southern demcrats), voted against civil rights.

Harry Belafonte called Colin Powell the "house nigger" and another liberal called Condi Rice "Aunt Thomasina".


It's going to be hard to label belafonte as racist against blacks.

The old democratic party is racist, the republican party had a stronger anti racist wing to it. But the parties realigned.

[Thirdparty]

The democrat party is historically a racist party.Â*Â*The democrat party was the party who opposed the civil rights legislation in the early 60s.Â*Â*I was there.Â*Â*It was a democrat governor who blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.

And a democratic president is the one who signed the civil rights act. And it was the republican party that many dixiecrats fled to. And a higher percentage of republicans, when broken into north and south (ie. northern republicans vs northern democrats and southern republicans vs southern demcrats), voted against civil rights.

Harry Belafonte called Colin Powell the "house nigger" and another liberal called Condi Rice "Aunt Thomasina".


It's going to be hard to label belafonte as racist against blacks.

The old democratic party is racist, the republican party had a stronger anti racist wing to it. But the parties realigned.


No, but Bellafonte and others seem to think we blacks can't speak for ourselves. In a free country, there are conservative blacks. In a free country, blacks should be thinking and speaking for themselves.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

The democrat party is historically a racist party. The democrat party was the party who opposed the civil rights legislation in the early 60s. I was there. It was a democrat governor who blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.


From racism to reverse discrimination, the democrats have shown from the get go to today that they are racist to the core.

[ECW]

The democrat party is historically a racist party.Â*Â*The democrat party was the party who opposed the civil rights legislation in the early 60s.Â*Â*I was there.Â*Â*It was a democrat governor who blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.

And a democratic president is the one who signed the civil rights act. And it was the republican party that many dixiecrats fled to. And a higher percentage of republicans, when broken into north and south (ie. northern republicans vs northern democrats and southern republicans vs southern demcrats), voted against civil rights.

Harry Belafonte called Colin Powell the "house nigger" and another liberal called Condi Rice "Aunt Thomasina".


It's going to be hard to label belafonte as racist against blacks.

The old democratic party is racist, the republican party had a stronger anti racist wing to it. But the parties realigned.


No, but Bellafonte and others seem to think we blacks can't speak for ourselves. InÂ*Â*a free country, there are conservative blacks. In a free country, blacks should be thinking and speaking for themselves.


You are so right. One of the reasons that I cherish your participation on this forum is that you run contrary to the typical. I've always liked that trait.

In an ideal country, race should not matter. But our country is far from ideal and people still judge one another on stereotypes they carry with them and one of the worst ones is based on one's skin color. I wish it were not so but it's a fact. It is much less of a problem than it was two or three decades ago but there still is a long way to go.

[alias]

The democrat party is historically a racist party.Â*Â*The democrat party was the party who opposed the civil rights legislation in the early 60s.Â*Â*I was there.Â*Â*It was a democrat governor who blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.

And a democratic president is the one who signed the civil rights act. And it was the republican party that many dixiecrats fled to. And a higher percentage of republicans, when broken into north and south (ie. northern republicans vs northern democrats and southern republicans vs southern demcrats), voted against civil rights.

Harry Belafonte called Colin Powell the "house nigger" and another liberal called Condi Rice "Aunt Thomasina".


It's going to be hard to label belafonte as racist against blacks.

The old democratic party is racist, the republican party had a stronger anti racist wing to it. But the parties realigned.


No, but Bellafonte and others seem to think we blacks can't speak for ourselves. InÂ*Â*a free country, there are conservative blacks. In a free country, blacks should be thinking and speaking for themselves.


You're right. The democrat party is losing more black votes every election and it is not an accident. Black conservatives are a rare bird for sure, but this past election in Maryland and Pennsylvania much progress was made.

[Sherri]

The democrat party is historically a racist party.Â*Â*The democrat party was the party who opposed the civil rights legislation in the early 60s.Â*Â*I was there.Â*Â*It was a democrat governor who blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.

And a democratic president is the one who signed the civil rights act. And it was the republican party that many dixiecrats fled to. And a higher percentage of republicans, when broken into north and south (ie. northern republicans vs northern democrats and southern republicans vs southern demcrats), voted against civil rights.

Harry Belafonte called Colin Powell the "house nigger" and another liberal called Condi Rice "Aunt Thomasina".


It's going to be hard to label belafonte as racist against blacks.

The old democratic party is racist, the republican party had a stronger anti racist wing to it. But the parties realigned.


No, but Bellafonte and others seem to think we blacks can't speak for ourselves. InÂ*Â*a free country, there are conservative blacks. In a free country, blacks should be thinking and speaking for themselves.

But dosen't it depend on the issue, and if a "high-profile" person is affected by a certain situation ? Take for example the late GB Packer Reggie White, and when his church was burned to the ground in the 90's, or Michael Jordan and how he was affected by the murder of his father, or Bill Cosby and how he was affected by the murder of his son. Sometimes, it takes a "high profile personality" to put a face to a situation, sometimes a heartbreaking situation to show how a loss can be felt by all, including Joe Six-Pack.

I remember when former quarterback Bart Starr of the Green Bay Packers lost his son to a heroin overdose, and no one even thought something like this would hit the Starr family, with the death of Brett. Bart and Cherie Starr built a "ranch" for "kids on the edge" (juvie, or jail), and these kids worked that ranch in New London, Wisconsin to get them back on the right track to school studies and a college, and they funded their tuition towards a decent future.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

But dosen't it depend on the issue, and if a "high-profile" person is affected by a certain situation ?


I'm not sure what the relevance is. If I am white but have been a victim of Black on white crime but not white on white crime, I might naturally base opinions on my personal experiences, but that does not add to the validity of my opinion.

[ECW]

You're right.Â*Â*The democrat party is losing more black votes every election and it is not an accident.Â*Â*Black conservatives are a rare bird for sure, but this past election in Maryland and Pennsylvania much progress was made.


First, it's the Democratic party. Only social retards like Tom DeLay and Kenny Boy Mehlmann still call it the "Democrat Party." Just FYI.

Black voters still don't trust the GOP.

Swann (Penn) received 13 percent of the Black vote; Steele (MD)received 25 percent; and Ohio's Blackwell received only 20 percent of the Black vote.

That sure don't sound like a lot of progress to me. Besides all three of them lost.link (http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=168)

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

One bit of misinformation that Dems like to spread is that the most racist democrats went into the republican party, but that simply is not true, some did, but most stayed democrat and the dems were happy to keep them.

People like Harry F. Byrd, who declared the policy of massive resistance against racial equality, stayed a democrat, Absalom Willis Robertson stayed a democrat, Robert Carlyle Byrd, Klan memmber who filibustered the civil rights act, still a dem.

I could go on and name a dozen more...

[alias]

You're right.Â*Â*The democrat party is losing more black votes every election and it is not an accident.Â*Â*Black conservatives are a rare bird for sure, but this past election in Maryland and Pennsylvania much progress was made.


First, it's the Democratic party. Only social retards like Tom DeLay and Kenny Boy Mehlmann still call it the "Democrat Party." Just FYI.

Black voters still don't trust the GOP.

Swann (Penn) received 13 percent of the Black vote; Steele (MD)received 25 percent; and Ohio's Blackwell received only 20 percent of the Black vote.

That sure don't sound like a lot of progress to me. Besides all three of them lost.link (http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=168)


The fact that there were republican black candidates is progress whether they lost or not.

It's the democrat party to me and I'll call it that because I am a free American with a free mind and free speech.Â*Â*I might call it the demoncrap party also.Â*Â*That fits.Â*Â*If some pusillanimous punk calls me a social retard, then I must be doing something right.

If you wish to call me a "social retard" or other names, be assured you will be called names right back and maybe worse. Be nice and do not call members names. Punk ass.

[BoogyMan]

You're right. The democrat party is losing more black votes every election and it is not an accident. Black conservatives are a rare bird for sure, but this past election in Maryland and Pennsylvania much progress was made.


First, it's the Democratic party. Only social retards like Tom DeLay and Kenny Boy Mehlmann still call it the "Democrat Party." Just FYI.

Black voters still don't trust the GOP.

Swann (Penn) received 13 percent of the Black vote; Steele (MD)received 25 percent; and Ohio's Blackwell received only 20 percent of the Black vote.

That sure don't sound like a lot of progress to me. Besides all three of them lost.link (http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=168)


It's the democrat party to me and I'll call it that because I am a free American with a free mind and free speech. I might call it the demoncrap party also. That fits. If some pusillanimous punk calls me a social retard, then I must be doing something right.


As long as ECW continues to label conservatives whose line of argumentation he is unable to refute neocons, there will always be a "democrat party." :D

[piratemonkey]

As long as ECW continues to label conservatives whose line of argumentation he is unable to refute neocons, there will always be a "democrat party." :D



The term "neocon" is a useful label for a group of Republicans who have an agenda and set of beliefs distinct from the rest of the Republican party.

The term "Democrat Party" is a puerile attempt at namecalling that imparts no more useful information than the proper term, "Democratic Party."

See the difference?

[BoogyMan]

As long as ECW continues to label conservatives whose line of argumentation he is unable to refute neocons, there will always be a "democrat party." :D



The term "neocon" is a useful label for a group of Republicans who have an agenda and set of beliefs distinct from the rest of the Republican party.

The term "Democrat Party" is a puerile attempt at namecalling that imparts no more useful information than the proper term, "Democratic Party."

See the difference?


Pirate, nothing could be further from the truth. The term neocon is tossed at practically any conservative who dares disagree with certain posters and it is used nearly every time a conservative has the temerity to agree with something the president might have said or done.

So in short, I see no difference as it's use as a pejorative is continued.

[AlonzoMourning23]

I always think of neocons as conservative with more liberal social and economic values when compared to traditional conservatives, more likely to favor big government (at least in practie, not necessarily in theory), and more hawkish than traditional conservatives.

I can't think of a single difference between a democrat and democratic.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

The term "Democrat Party" is a puerile attempt at namecalling that imparts no more useful information than the proper term, "Democratic Party."




LOL, "democrat party" is namecalling?

ROTFLMAO! It's a party of democrats, right? A racist party to be sure, but still democrats.

[ECW]

You're right.Â*Â*The democrat party is losing more black votes every election and it is not an accident.Â*Â*Black conservatives are a rare bird for sure, but this past election in Maryland and Pennsylvania much progress was made.


First, it's the Democratic party. Only social retards like Tom DeLay and Kenny Boy Mehlmann still call it the "Democrat Party." Just FYI.

Black voters still don't trust the GOP.

Swann (Penn) received 13 percent of the Black vote; Steele (MD)received 25 percent; and Ohio's Blackwell received only 20 percent of the Black vote.

That sure don't sound like a lot of progress to me. Besides all three of them lost.link (http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=168)


The fact that there were republican black candidates is progress whether they lost or not.

It's the democrat party to me and I'll call it that because I am a free American with a free mind and free speech.Â*Â*I might call it the demoncrap party also.Â*Â*That fits.Â*Â*If some pusillanimous punk calls me a social retard, then I must be doing something right.

If you wish to call me a "social retard" or other names, be assured you will be called names right back and maybe worse.Â*Â*Be nice and do not call members names.Â*Â*Punk ass.


Remember all this when you get whacked for your "educated dummies" remark. Namecaller.

[ECW]

As long as ECW continues to label conservatives whose line of argumentation he is unable to refute neocons, there will always be a "democrat party." :D


As long as I have been here, I have never had a problem refuting neocons. In fact, I have not only refuted them I have disproved them, embarrassed them, debunked them, invalidated them, contadicted them, and confounded them. Conservatives, on the other hand, are a whole different story because they have well-defined principles and are much harder to rattle than neocons who are making it up as George Walker Bush goes along.

Conservatives believe in smaller government. Neocons grow government at every turn.

Conservatives hate big bureaucracy. Neocons make it bigger and turn it to their own political ends instead of having it help the people they were hired to help.

Conservatives believe in a balanced budget. Neocons spend money like it's going out of style and run up debts they leave for other generations to pay. They also dole out tax breaks to their rich friends which further bankrupts the Treasury.

Conservatives believe in defending America and having a humble foreign policy. Neocons go to other countries to defend America and start more wars than they can finish. Their children never make the sacrifice but other people's do.

Conservatives serve proudly in the military. Neocons make excuses not to serve or make sure, when they do serve, to never get close to where the real killing takes place. Neocons also diminish and criticize other people's service when it suits their political purposes.

Conservatives can hold an honest debate. Neocons practice the politics of personal destruction especially when they are on the losing side of an issue.

I love debating conservatives but I really love thumping neocons. They don't know the difference between the Democratic Party and the Democrat Party. The rest is just gravy.

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[BoogyMan]

As long as I have been here, I have never had a problem refuting neocons. In fact, I have not only refuted them I have disproved them, embarrassed them, debunked them, invalidated them, contadicted them, and confounded them. Conservatives, on the other hand, are a whole different story because they have well-defined principles and are much harder to rattle than neocons who are making it up as George Walker Bush goes along.

I am laughing so hard tears are coming to my eyes. ECW, this made my afternoon. :D

The democrat party has a record that is just as checkered with regard to civil rights as that of the republican party. The classist warriors will tell you that the republicans have no chance of reaching black voters, but republican ideology is reaching more and more black voters every time an election is held.

[alias]

You're right. The democrat party is losing more black votes every election and it is not an accident. Black conservatives are a rare bird for sure, but this past election in Maryland and Pennsylvania much progress was made.


First, it's the Democratic party. Only social retards like Tom DeLay and Kenny Boy Mehlmann still call it the "Democrat Party." Just FYI.

Black voters still don't trust the GOP.

Swann (Penn) received 13 percent of the Black vote; Steele (MD)received 25 percent; and Ohio's Blackwell received only 20 percent of the Black vote.

That sure don't sound like a lot of progress to me. Besides all three of them lost.link (http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=168)


The fact that there were republican black candidates is progress whether they lost or not.

It's the democrat party to me and I'll call it that because I am a free American with a free mind and free speech. I might call it the demoncrap party also. That fits. If some pusillanimous punk calls me a social retard, then I must be doing something right.

If you wish to call me a "social retard" or other names, be assured you will be called names right back and maybe worse. Be nice and do not call members names. Punk ass.


Remember all this when you get whacked for your "educated dummies" remark. Namecaller.


I never called you an "educated dummie" you punk. You are the one who made it personal. If you want to step into the ring and get your nose bloodied, don't come crying to me. Cry to your momma. Word of warning, keep making it personal and you will lose. The only way you will win and get the last word is if I am banned. Now sit down and shut the hell up and mind your own damn business. If you have any more whining to do, then do it, but don't tell me what to say, how to say it, or when to say it. If there is anything in my post you do not understand, call 1-800-punk ass.

alias - The name calling needs to end here and now

[Anti-Racism]

The only leader who will represent blacks is a black one, in a black nation. Malcolm X was right.

[Thirdparty]

The only leader who will represent blacks is a black one, in a black nation. Malcolm X was right.


What one minute, AR, you don't think a black US President can represent blacks?

[ECW]

The democrat party has a record that is just as checkered with regard to civil rights as that of the republican party.Â*Â*The classist warriors will tell you that the republicans have no chance of reaching black voters, but republicanÂ*Â*ideology is reaching more and more black voters every time an election is held.


That old time Democratic Party had a whole host of racists and bigots in it. After LBJ passed the Voting Rights Act, those good old boys started leaving the party and they took up with you guys. You all welcomed them in and the South rose again. Even Tricky Dick knew it and based his "southern strategy" on it. He would have never been president had he not appealed to the racist voters now residing in the Republican party.

There may come a day that blacks do not vote in a block for Democrats. That day is not here yet. There are black conservatives who do like aspects of republican ideology. Hell, I even know one personally! But by and large, it ain't happening.