* Israels Little Secret *

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Israel has a plan.
2. Plan is, is to take Iran down a peg or three.
3. I say whats taken them so long?
4. They should of done it months ago.
5. After the comment that, "Iran was going to wipe Israel off the Earth"

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

What would this plan be?

[Cobra]

Bomb Iran I'd think. How else would they take them down a peg.

[Cobra]

Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2535310,00.html

[Buck Laser]

I earnestly hope they don't do anything that stupid. With the current administration in place, it could lead to a worldwide nuclear war. Nuclear war is bad for everybody.

[BoogyMan]

A nuclear Iran WILL mean nuclear war for everyone in my view. Iran is currently lead by a xenophobic nut who threatens Israel practically every day now. If the plan is to use tactical nukes in an underground attack that stops Iran's ability to produce nuclear fuel, so be it.

[slappy]

I think the Israelis are more than justified in acting defensively along these lines. I do worry, however, about the consequences for Israel's relatively friendly neighbours. In Egypt, for instance, continuing dialogue with the Israelis by Mubarak after an Israeli nuclear attack on Iranian targets could push things to the tipping point for that regime. Who knows what the fallout will be? Still, I'd rather risk it than see what Ahmadinejad would do with a medium range nuclear missile.

Even looking at this from the Palestinian point of view, I'd rather see them hit Iran sooner than later. If you think that security fence is going up quickly now, just wait until Iran goes nuclear.

[lily]

Is it that time of the month already?

Israel better realize if they do this, they are on their own. Bush is going to have a hard enough time getting congress to let him send more troops into Iraq. There is no way they are going to approve another war, with his track record in Iraq and let's not forget Afghanistan. If he tries it under his "war powers", I think we shall see some dramatic clipping of wings, like the USA has never seen before.

We won't be able to get a coalition of the willing to come along again either. Especially while Kim Jong Mentally Ill is openly testing nukes and Alphabet soup name man will be able to shut off the oil supply. Not to mention there is no actual proof.

[BoogyMan]

Is it that time of the month already?

Israel better realize if they do this, they are on their own. Bush is going to have a hard enough time getting congress to let him send more troops into Iraq.

How so Lily?Â*Â*I may be wrong but was not under the understanding that sending more troops to Iraq was up to the congress critters.

There is no way they are going to approve another war, with his track record in Iraq and let's not forget Afghanistan.Â*Â*If he tries it under his "war powers", I think we shall see some dramatic clipping of wings, like the USA has never seen before.

This thread isn't another hate Bush thread so I am struggling with the relevance of this commentary.Â*Â*

Israel is going to do what Israel needs to get done to guarantee their own existance, and I would feel pretty sorry for any military in the area that was ignorant enough to mount an all out war against her.

We won't be able to get a coalition of the willing to come along again either.Â*Â*Especially while Kim Jong Mentally Ill is openly testing nukes and Alphabet soup name man will be able to shut off the oil supply.

See the previous comment above.

Not to mention there is no actual proof.

What do you consider proof Lily?Â*Â*Does Ahmadinejad threatening Israel on a daily basis mean anything?Â*Â*Read the following story about the peaceful intentions of Iran and come back and tell me there is nothing to the allegations about Iran.


SOURCE: Iranian official: If threatened, we will use nuclear weapons (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3348748,00.html)

After countless declarations of peaceful intentions of nuclear plan, Iran's chief nuclear envoy confirms fears by saying if county is threatened, situation may change

Associated Press Published:Â*Â*01.05.07, 15:04Â*Â*

Iran's chief nuclear envoy Ali Larijani said on Friday that Iran is committed to the peaceful use of nuclear technology but warned the situation could change if his country is threatened.

"We oppose obtaining nuclear weapons and we will peacefully use nuclear technology under the framework of the Nonproliferation Treaty, but if we are threatened, the situation may change," He told a news conference after two days of talks in Beijing.Â*Â*

Iran's nuclear chief said his country has produced and stored 250 tons of the gas used as the feedstock for uranium enrichment, state-run television reported Friday.

Vice President Gholamreza Aghazadeh, who is also the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, said Iran has kept the uranium hexaflouride gas, or UF-6, in underground tunnels at a nuclear facility in Isfahan to protect it from any possible attack.Â*Â*

"Today, we have produced more than 250 tons of UF-6. Should you visit Isfahan, you will see we have constructed tunnels that are almost unique in the world," State-run television quoted Aghazadeh as saying.

While China has strong trade ties with oil-rich Iran, it is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, which voted unanimously to bar all countries from selling materials and technology to Iran that could contribute to its nuclear and missile programs.Â*Â*

It also froze the assets of 10 Iranian companies and 12 individuals related to those programs.Â*Â*

'Iran will stand up to coercion'

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday said international sanctions won't stop Iran from enriching uranium, vowing not to give into "Coercion," State-run television reported.

"Iran will stand up to coercion. ... All Iranians stand united to defend their nuclear rights," State-run TV quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

Iran has refused to comply with international demands that it suspend uranium enrichment. It also has condemned as "Invalid" And "Illegal" a UN Security Council resolution passed last month that imposes sanctions against the Islamic Republic for refusing to halt enrichment.

"Enemies have assumed that they can prevent the progress of the Iranian nation through psychological war and issuing resolutions, but they will be defeated," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying on state-run TV.

[Buck Laser]

A nuclear Iran WILL mean nuclear war for everyone in my view. Iran is currently lead by a xenophobic nut who threatens Israel practically every day now. If the plan is to use tactical nukes in an underground attack that stops Iran's ability to produce nuclear fuel, so be it.

If Iran gets a nuke, it will simply become the fourth middle eastern member of the nuclear club, after Pakistan, India and Israel. Ahmadinejad portrays a xenophobic nut pretty effectively, but I don't believe he really is. In fact, I think that one of the tenets of the neo-conservative foreign policy is to keep a massive propaganda machine going to portray national leaders who don't toe the US policy line as dangerously unstable. I think the real result of that stupid policy is that the US sinks lower and lower in the eyes of its traditional allies.
I fail to see how you can be so sanguine about Israel using even tactical nukes against Iran.
God! How I wish we had grownups in charge of foreign policy again!

[BoogyMan]

If Iran gets a nuke, it will simply become the fourth middle eastern member of the nuclear club, after Pakistan, India and Israel.Â*Â*Ahmadinejad portrays a xenophobic nut pretty effectively, but I don't believe he really is.Â*Â*In fact, I think that one of the tenets of the neo-conservative foreign policy is to keep a massive propaganda machine going to portray national leaders who don't toe the US policy line as dangerously unstable. I think the real result of that stupid policy is that the US sinks lower and lower in the eyes of its traditional allies.
I fail to see how you can be so sanguine about Israel using even tactical nukes against Iran.

Buck, it is pretty easy to see how Ahmadinejad is portrayed by considering his own words.Â*Â*Your attempt to blame the US government for the current widely held view of Ahmadinejad is pretty amusing.Â*Â*Thanks for that.

Lets take a few looks into the words of Mr. Ahmadinejad:

Iran Leader: Israel will be annihilated (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/14/D8GVSUC0H.html)

Ahmadinejad: Israel will disappear (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1164881801325)

Iran issues 'ultimatum' to Israel's allies (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15343184/)

On the line: Iran threatens Israel (http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/archive/2005-11/2005-11-04-voa1.cfm)

The links above were garnered by a simple Google search that produced 601,000 hits.

How again is the US administration responsible for Ahmadinejad's xenophobic hatred Buck?Â*Â*Is Ahmadinejad a part of that "massive machine?"

[Labrocca]

Google is just a pawn of the Bush administration Boogyman. hehe...

Seriously...I hope Israel gives Iran a royal nuke up the arse. And behind the scenes...no one will by upset by Israel taking action. Sure some posturing may occur to appease the locals but governments will be quietly celebrating an end to the problem of Iran and it's nukes.

[Buck Laser]

Buck, it is pretty easy to see how Ahmadinejad is portrayed by considering his own words. Your attempt to blame the US government for the current widely held view of Ahmadinejad is pretty amusing. Thanks for that.

Lets take a few looks into the words of Mr. Ahmadinejad:

Iran Leader: Israel will be annihilated (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/14/D8GVSUC0H.html)

Ahmadinejad: Israel will disappear (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1164881801325)

Iran issues 'ultimatum' to Israel's allies (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15343184/)

On the line: Iran threatens Israel (http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/archive/2005-11/2005-11-04-voa1.cfm)

The links above were garnered by a simple Google search that produced 601,000 hits.

How again is the US administration responsible for Ahmadinejad's xenophobic hatred Buck? Is Ahmadinejad a part of that "massive machine?"

Boog, your ability to misconstrue practically everything I say never ceases to amaze (and I'm sure you'll call that a personal attack:))me. Of course Ahmedinejad is rattling his saber: he does it because he knows it will piss off the administration, and possibly rattle them into a disproportionate response. Or it will annoy you to the point of suggesting that the Israelis make a preemptive "tactical" nuclear strike. Now you may be cool with "tactical" nukes, but I sure ain't, and I've served in an arm of the service charged with delivering nukes.

If you think I'm underestimating Iran's danger, be assure that I am not. But I sure as hell believe you are overestimating this adminstration's competence and ability to act rationally in a tight situation. I am just sick and god-damned tired of living with a wannabe cowboy as my president.

[lily]

Labrocca.........do you think Iran and the other surrounding countries will just sit back and allow Israel to drop a bomb?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But while the New Congress swaddles around in old ladies skirt tails.
2. Bush is blamed for what Israel may do to protect itself.
3. Man thats rich.
4. Buck will blame Bush when the Democrats suck the Social Security dry when they give it away to the illegal aliens, when the time comes.
5. The fact remains, Israels just about ready to push the button.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Boog, your ability to misconstrue practically everything I say never ceases to amaze (and I'm sure you'll call that a personal attack:))me.Â*Â*Of course Ahmedinejad is rattling his saber:Â*Â*he does it because he knows it will piss off the administration, and possibly rattle them into a disproportionate response.Â*Â*Or it will annoy you to the point of suggesting that the Israelis make a preemptive "tactical" nuclear strike.Â*Â*Now you may be cool with "tactical" nukes, but I sure ain't, and I've served in an arm of the service charged with delivering nukes.

Buck, I don't see how you would think I would call something like that an attack, but I don't see that you have attacked me.Â*Â*

I can go back and pretend to be hurt if you want me to. <sniffle> :D

If you think I'm underestimating Iran's danger, be assure that I am not.Â*Â*But I sure as hell believe you are overestimating this adminstration's competence and ability to act rationally in a tight situation.Â*Â*I am just sick and god-damned tired of living with a wannabe cowboy as my president.

This thread is not about the US government Buck no matter how you try to twist and cajole it so to be.Â*Â*I do find it pretty interesting that in your abject hatred of the president you give Ahmadinejad more credibility and trust than you do the president.

I don't THINK you are underestimating the danger that Ahmadinejad poses, I KNOW you are, and this thread is not another bash Bush thread it is about Israel having a plan in place to deal with the situation in Iran BEFORE Ahmadinejad has the tools in place to make good on his desire to destroy Israel.

[lily]

BoogyMan


How so Lily?Â*Â*I may be wrong but was not under the understanding that sending more troops to Iraq was up to the congress critters.

Boogy.....the American people are against this. You may not be, but the majority of America voted for the party that will listen to them.

You say it's not up to congress.......well you're right. Bush still has to "sell" this to America. I believe either Tuesday or Wednesday, unless he' going to hold it over until his state of the union, which I doubt. He always tries to scare the people first. But what you fail to realize is that congress has to approve the MONEY that will send theseÂ*Â*extra troops, which they can decline, while still supporting the troops that are already on the ground. It's not a kingdom yet.



This thread isn't another hate Bush thread so I am struggling with the relevance of this commentary.Â*Â*

Egads Boogy, use another tactic to try and stop me from talking about the way Bush has screwed up. This one is getting old. It IS relevantÂ*Â*Â*Â*to the discussion. This thread is talking about another war, what is more relevantÂ*Â*Â*Â*than the two he already screwed up?

Israel is going to do what Israel needs to get done to guarantee their own existance, and I would feel pretty sorry for any military in the area that was ignorant enough to mount an all out war against her.

Well, then we agree on something. Israel can take care of herself. Israel doesn't need to invoke the nameÂ*Â*United States in every counter threat they make.




What do you consider proof Lily?Â*Â*Does Ahmadinejad threatening Israel on a daily basis mean anything?Â*Â*Read the following story about the peaceful intentions of Iran and come back and tell me there is nothing to the allegations about Iran.

It's the same story, just a different date.......that's why I stated, i"s it that time of the month already". The UN just applied sanctions. I'll never understand the rights eagerness to go to war.

[lily]

This thread is not about the US government Buck no matter how you try to twist and cajole it so to be.Â*Â*I do find it pretty interesting that in your abject hatred of the president you give Ahmadinejad more credibility and trust than you do the president.




From the article. Also, the last war that Israel had, it had full backing of this administration. So, sorry, it has everything to do with the discussion.

Israeli and American officials have met several times to consider military action. Military analysts said the disclosure of the plans could be intended to put pressure on Tehran to halt enrichment, cajole America into action or soften up world opinion in advance of an Israeli attack.

[BoogyMan]

Boogy.....the American people are against this. You may not be, but the majority of America voted for the party that will listen to them.

You say it's not up to congress.......well you're right. Bush still has to "sell" this to America. I believe either Tuesday or Wednesday, unless he' going to hold it over until his state of the union, which I doubt. He always tries to scare the people first. But what you fail to realize is that congress has to approve the MONEY that will send theseÂ*Â*extra troops, which they can decline, while still supporting the troops that are already on the ground. It's not a kingdom yet.

Defunding of the troops is going to be ugly for the congress critters and since most of them, including the republican flavored ones don't have much of a spine, I really don't see that as a viable tactic.

Egads Boogy, use another tactic to try and stop me from talking about the way Bush has screwed up. This one is getting old. It IS relevantÂ*Â*Â*Â*to the discussion. This thread is talking about another war, what is more relevant than the two he already screwed up?

This is NOT a hate Bush thread Lily, though it seems that it is going to be drug off topic anyway. The thread is about Israel possibly taking action against Iran, not the US. The left trying to drag Bush into this is rather old and tired.

Well, then we agree on something. Israel can take care of herself. Israel doesn't need to invoke the nameÂ*United States in every counter threat they make.

Dog-gone it Lily, how can we argue if you are going to go and ruin it by agreeing with me?! :D

I do find it funny though that you try to drag Bush into this and then say "Israel doesn't need to invoke the name United States in every counter threat they make."

It's the same story, just a different date.......that's why I stated, it's it that time of the month already". The UN just applied sanctions. I'll never understand the rights eagerness to go to war.


No Lily, it's deadly serious if you are living in Israel and a nut like Ahmadinejad is threatening to try and destroy you on a daily basis.

[BoogyMan]

From the article. Also, the last war that Israel had, it had full backing of this administration. So, sorry, it has everything to do with the discussion.

The thread is about Israel drawing up contingency plans against Iran.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2535310,00.html

Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran

Uzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington
ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters�, according to several Israeli military sources.

The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb.

Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open “tunnels� into the targets. “Mini-nukes� would then immediately be fired into a plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.

[lily]

BoogyMan



Defunding of the troops is going to be ugly for the congress critters and
since most of them, including the republican flavored ones don't have much
of a spine, I really don't see that as a viable tactic.

Defunding the troops and not giving him the money to send more troops are
two different things.

This is NOT a hate Bush thread Lily, though it seems that it is going
to be drug off topic anyway.Â*Â*The thread is about Israel possibly taking
action against Iran, not the US.Â*Â*The left trying to drag Bush into this is
rather old and tired.

It is when you know darned good and well, that Bush will back Israel in
everything they do. If you can name me one thing that he hasn't backed them
in, then I would agree. But they will drag us into it. The article and every
article I've read on the subject puts Israel and the United States together
like PB&J.

One day, I wish you would learn the difference between discussing
the poor job performance of Bush, with hating.


I do find it funny though that you try to drag Bush into this and then say
"Israel doesn't need to invoke the name United States in every counter
threat they make."

.......and?



No Lily, it's deadly serious if you are living in Israel and a nut
like Ahmadinejad is threatening to try and destroy you on a daily
basis.

Not when you hear the same thing every single month. It kinda looses it's
scare power.

[BoogyMan]

Now that this thread has been effectively detoured I will attempt to push it back onto topic.

Most countries have contingency plans drawn up that would scare the pants off of the average citizen. After sleeping on this topic I am beginning to wonder if this is just that, a contingency plan.

I imagine that we will see one way or the other.

[slappy]

Yeah, it's impossible to know for certain whether this is being leaked to pressure the West to step up its efforts or to simply cushion the shock of the attack when it comes. Realistically, however, I can't imagine that the Israelis believe there's a decent chance of anyone taking care of this for them, so I'd go with the latter theory.