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lily
01-06-2007, 05:15 AM
An intersting op-ed piece (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16453409/site/newsweek/?rf=nwnewsletter)

Evolving Presidential Preferences
After talking to politicians, strategists and voters, our columnist has a
pretty good idea of what type of person America wants for its next
president.


WEB-EXCLUSIVE COMMENTARY
By Howard Fineman
Newsweek
Updated: 11:32 a.m. ET Jan 3, 2007
Jan. 3, 2007 - Now that the 38th president has been laid to rest, the
capital can take up the main business of 2007: trying to figure out who will
be the 44th. What type of leader does the country want? Here is my sense of
it, based on talking to politicians, strategists and voters here and around
the nation.


NO IDEOLOGUES, PLEASE
There was a time when President George W. Bush’s ideological certitude was
politically appealing and perhaps functionally necessary. That time has long
since passed. The country is tired, even fearful, of leaders with fervent
beliefs that seem impervious to new (or even old) facts. Voters see the war
in Iraq as an “idea,” not a solution—and Americans do not like ideas that do
not work. Voters likely will view Bush’s “surge” of troops into Iraq as new
evidence of failure, and the dangers of a leader who depends on preconceived
ideas.

SERIOUS STUDENT
Presidential elections are a never-ending series of mid-course corrections.
Voters look to compensate for the leadership weaknesses of the incumbent. An
example comes from the life and career of Gerald Ford. In 1976, voters
wanted a pure antidote to Richard Nixon’s paranoid megalomania. Once Ford
pardoned Nixon, he could not be that candidate. Instead, Americans chose
Jimmy Carter, a peanut farmer who had never worked in Washington, and who
promised never to lie to the American people. The counterpoint thinking
continues. Voters in 2008 are going to want someone who prides himself (or
herself) on spending time in the library—who has a hands-on curiosity about
the details.

WASHINGTON EXPERIENCE NOT NECESSARY
Voters these days not only do not value Washington experience—or any
office-holding experience—it can make them suspicious. That is what
strategists and polltakers for Sen. Evan Bayh found when they studied
whether he should run for president. They found that his remarkably deep
résumé—the son of a senator, he was the “boy governor” of Indiana before
going to the Senate—was a handicap. Americans always are dubious about the
capital, but that sentiment seems particularly strong. Bayh decided not to
run. "'Washington' doesn’t make the case," said Dan Pfeiffer, who worked for
Bayh.

NO MORE BOOMER OBSESSIONS
Not all elections are about change, but 2008 will be. Americans are
moderately upbeat about the country’s prospects, but deeply worried about
the world—and they have come to realize that they can’t separate one from
the other. One thing for sure, says Pfeiffer, voters are tired of arguing
about the culture of the 1960s and other boomer issues. “There is a sense
that the 2004 election was too much about who did or did not do what in
Vietnam,” said Pfeiffer, referring to the Bush campaign against Sen. John
Kerry. In 2000, Bush won in part by selling himself as a “grown-up” boomer
answer to Bill Clinton. “Voters are tired of that era and its concerns,”
Pfeiffer said. “They want to move on.”

KNOW THE MIDDLE CLASS
Bushes have a congenital family problem with this, and it leaves an opening
for someone—of either party—who can prove that he or she really understands
the strains of middle-class life. It’s not just about money, but about
cultural assaults and the lack of time for family in an era when both
parents or partners need to work. In his forthcoming book, "Positively
American," Sen. Charles Schumer of New York imagines the hard life of a
fictitious middle-class family—and offers a series of governmental proposals
to address them. A shrewd student of the American mood, Schumer is aiming in
the right direction. The next president will need to show that he or she
understands that family.

Nemo
01-07-2007, 03:45 AM
I think that I would prefer a candidate who was more of a leader than a politician; a leader with moral courage. There are many that have courage, but few the courage of their convictions. Few indeed would have the courage to do what is right in the face of unpopularity, for it takes more than just courage, but strength of character, to stand up to the mob. Those who do are worthy of the highest leadership.

lily
01-07-2007, 04:41 AM
I think that I would prefer a candidate who was more of a leader than a politician; a leader with moral courage.**

Is there anyone that you had in mind? I know it's 2 years away, but so far nothing I've seen has given me any reason to vote for them. I think Anderson was the last candidate that sparked a fire in me.

Nemo
01-07-2007, 12:48 PM
I don’t know - there seems to be none on the political horizon.**Those who would be best qualified to lead our country seem reluctant to run and expose themselves (not to mention their families) to slings and arrows of campaigning for office.**(John McCain seems willing to do so, even after being viciously attacked by his own party in his bid for the presidency in 2000; but I don’t know if this is due to stubbornness or stupidity.)**I think that Al Gore would make a good President; his stand on global warming (An Inconvenient Truth) shows him to be a leader with vision; and it would take someone with his moral courage to restore the rule of law, which is being usurped by the Bush administration.**He should have won in 2000 - we would not be in this mess if he had not been cheated out of victory - I don’t think he will run again.**As to the others that have played on the political stage, they all have their selling points - it is like choosing what laundry detergent to buy.

lily
01-07-2007, 11:53 PM
I don’t know - there seems to be none on the political horizon.**Those who would be best qualified to lead our country seem reluctant to run and expose themselves (not to mention their families) to slings and arrows of campaigning for office.**(John McCain seems willing to do so, even after being viciously attacked by his own party in his bid for the presidency in 2000; but I don’t know if this is due to stubbornness or stupidity.)**

Well, if you look at it this way, his family was already dragged through the mud, I don't see anyone being able to do it again and get the results that have already reaped the benefits.

I think that Al Gore would make a good President; his stand on global warming (An Inconvenient Truth) shows him to be a leader with vision; and it would take someone with his moral courage to restore the rule of law, which is being usurped by the Bush administration.

I honestly think Gore is wore out. Loosing that election took a lot out of him, also I can see him doing more good for the enviorment as a private citizen, than working with congress and special interst.

As to the others that have played on the political stage, they all have their selling points - it is like choosing what laundry detergent to buy.


Yeah, but when looking for a laundry detergent, you try to find one that will get the dirt out.;)

Nemo
01-08-2007, 12:12 AM
Precisely the point.

sbannon
01-08-2007, 07:56 PM
I wouldn't count Gore out completely yet, but that may just be my own hopeful thinking more than anything else.

I certainly feel he'd do far better this time around, having shed himself of the whole 'stiff' image (how sad that the packaging rather than the product matters so?) that seemed to hurt him the last time around.

Though, I could also understand if he didn't want to enter another of our national popularity contests like that again. But if he does, what a testament to his character and love of country that would be, because I wouldn't do it if I were him. After that last time around I'd say the people get what they deserve and enjoy my remaining years in peace.

Beyond Gore, there's nobody out there (who is being considered a viable candidate at this time) from either party that excites me. All I see is a sea of either "more of the same" or "more of before" to swim in and it's pretty darned depressing... whatever happened to men (or women) with vision running for office?