Racist Cartoons

[Nitrus]

What are peoples views on the racist cartoons found in the media recently? Particularly the ones about the prophet mohammed.

Debate!

-N

[Labrocca]

And what exactly makes them 'racist' in your view?

[Nitrus]

Ok maybe not racist, but stereotyped, these cartoons are saying that all followers of mohammed and that religion are terrorists.

That is prejudice. Something I am strongly against.

-N

[Labrocca]

Uh...I am not sure it's saying "all followers of mohammed"...or that "religion are terrorists".

They surely are poking fun at mohammed and terrorism is a satirical way. Is it favorable...nope. Is it worth killing people over...nope.

[Nitrus]

I never said it was worth killing people over. I just think it is very offensive.

-N

[Nitrus]

Yeh I see your point, but the bomb on mohammeds head is a bit far.

-N

[KrAzY3]

Well, considering the fact that I'm somewhat involved in this issue I'll weigh in.

Yes, unfortunately a few cartoons have been made that are racist. Much like the immigration reform issue, if you start to touch on topics that involve different ethnic groups some racists are going to attach themselves to the issue as well.

The bomb on Mohammed's head? That is not racist, it is political satire at it's best. Muslims are being incited to commit violence and Islam is being used as a excuse. Quite literally, they put the bomb on Mohammed's head. The idea that this type of expression has been so repressed offends me greatly. I made a little image that kind of reflected my opinion as well, one might read it and think oh he's a bigot but I would hope that people get the point: http://prophet.rydasrecords.com/images/defame.jpg

In response to the death threats and the like against the artists I made a couple of "cartoons" as well. Lacking any skill and intentionally offensive I didn't expect any real attention. Well, as it turns out one of them was viewed over 20,000 times and a tiny horrid little side I made about the issue was actually banned in Pakistan. Yeah, they should be hunting down terrorists but instead they are banning my site (in truth the only reason anyone really knows this happen was because one of the 12 banned sites was on blogspot and suddenly no one in Pakistan could go there, so people looked into the issue).

Anyway, this is not at all a racist issue in my mind. What I did was not racist, what the Danish newspaper did was not overtly racist (I can not know their true intentions) and a vast majority of the cartoons I have seen simply poked fun at the religion, not the race. This is a issue about freedom of expression.

I was horrified to see the so called "free press" become silenced on a issue. Why can I name the newspapers that published the cartoons off the top of my head? Why are bookstores (which will stock almost anything) refusing to sell books with the prophet cartoons? Is the entire world so afraid of radical Islam that they collectively bow to it? It is time to stand up. Someone emailed me and thanked me for "having the courage to be banned in Pakistan". I found that funny, it wasn't exactly my choice. What I did took no courage, the sad thing is that for many people it would require courage. If that is the point we are at now, what is next? What right do we lose next to our fear of radical Islam?

[AlonzoMourning23]

I don't think they should have ever been published. Denmark has had issues with bigotry towards muslims before this incident, and it's not unreasonable to think that this was the motivation behind the illustration of some of those cartoons.

The illustration of muhammed with a bomb on his head, if it was political satire, was extremely poorly done. No one is going to view it that way unless they are attempting to find something good in it. I think it was clearly evidence of anti-muslim sentiment.

I wouldn't allow my paper to publish cartoon so overtly insulting to any religion, especially a minority religion.

[Labrocca]

I think despite the Denmark's intention the resulting violence was over-the-top but what can you expect? Has there ever been a civil muslim protest? They seem to think protesting means rioting.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Most protests were nonviolent. The most famous one in london, with particularly hateful speech, was not even representative of london protests. That one had about 500 people and was denounced by muslim leader. There were many subsequent ones in london, the largest of which had 10,000 people, and those had no arrests, no violence, and no repeat of the radical hate speech seen in the first one.

Some of the ones that became violent were hijacked by youth (who often saw it as a chance to act out, often unconcerned or unaware of the reason for the protest), and radicals.

If you look at protests in the 3rd world, there is often an increased risk of violence. Partly due to the nature of political expression, and partly due to the police response.

I don't think there should be any violence, or that any actions should be taken against those who published the cartoons. I just think they were in very poor taste.

[KrAzY3]

I wouldn't allow my paper to publish cartoon so overtly insulting to any religion, especially a minority religion.


Good thing you're not the editor for Rolling Stone huh?
Also, there are a billion Muslims. It is the second most popular religion. The idea that they need some sort of special treatment is a joke.

[AlonzoMourning23]

And how did the rolling stone publish it? I don't have an issue if it was for informative reasons, though I'd probably not do it personally.

Also, offending minorities is something that we need to pay attention to, especially since many minorities are discriminated against. Saying they are the second largest worldwide religion is meaningless since that isn't true in every area, and we wouldn't ignore persecution of christians in muslim countries simply because christians are the dominant group worldwide.

And, remember, I said I wouldn't allow my paper to publish similar things of any religion.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I wouldn't allow my paper to publish cartoon so overtly insulting to any religion, especially a minority religion.


A religion that has 1.3 billion people and is the second largest religion in the world is not a minority religion.

Judiasm, that's a minority religion.Â*Â*Less than 12 million people.

The Muslim faith is the scourge of the Western world.Â*Â*If you don't think it hasn't surpassed communism as the greatest threat to your way of life you're blind and ignorant of history.

[KrAzY3]

And how did the rolling stone publish it? I don't have an issue if it was for informative reasons, though I'd probably not do it personally.


The Rolling Stone didn't. What they did do, during the time of the cartoon controversy was publish a cover with Kanye West depicted as Jesus. Something which I know for a fact many Christians found very offensive. Remember the Bible also forbids blasphemy and graven images. Or wait, was it ok because Christians didn't threaten to kill anyone over it? Or because Christianity has a billion more followers?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander...Are we to feel sorry for Islam because you consider it a minority religion. Yet, we should do not have such compassion for Christianity because there are more Christians. Hence, it is perfectly ok to make fun of Christianity all we want but how dare we do the same for any other religion. This drips with casuistry.

[AlonzoMourning23]

A religion that has 1.3 billion people and is the second largest religion in the world is not a minority religion.

Judiasm, that's a minority religion. Less than 12 million people.

Well, I think being second largest would have to be a minority. But, you can't honestly suggest that just because a religion has a large or small population worldwide that that is reflected in each nation. Jews aren't a minority in Israel, yet they are every place else. Christians are a minority in Iran, but not in the u.s.

The Muslim faith is the scourge of the Western world. If you don't think it hasn't surpassed communism as the greatest threat to your way of life you're blind and ignorant of history.

Well, historically, christianity and islam have been threats to each other.

Whether I think Islam is a threat to my way of life, do I really even have to answer that?



The Rolling Stone didn't. What they did do, during the time of the cartoon controversy was publish a cover with Kanye West depicted as Jesus. Something which I know for a fact many Christians found very offensive. Remember the Bible also forbids blasphemy and graven images. Or wait, was it ok because Christians didn't threaten to kill anyone over it? Or because Christianity has a billion more followers?

So Jesus wasn't depicted as a pedophile? Or a terrorist? And even if he was, you wouldn't have a point unless I agreed that it was acceptable to publish it.

And, besides, many christians have no problem at all with graven images (catholics for example), and some of the groups who did (ie. puritans) aren't really around today. I'm not aware of any major branch of christianity that has a significant issue with graven images, though many prefer not to have them. But, either way, if you want to argue a religions scripture the result will usually differ significantly from the way it is practiced. So if something is not considered offensive to a religious group then it's not offensive, regardless of what scripture says. It's their job to interperet their religious texts, not mine.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander...Are we to feel sorry for Islam because you consider it a minority religion. Yet, we should do not have such compassion for Christianity because there are more Christians. Hence, it is perfectly ok to make fun of Christianity all we want but how dare we do the same for any other religion. This drips with casuistry.


I'd like to know how islam is not a minority religion. Most people are not muslim, they are not the largest religion globally, and they aren't the majority in any western country.

And you can win as many strawman arguments as you can come up with. I denounced similar cartoons directed at all religions, so it seems as your just making up whatever argument you find easiest to defeat.

Honestly, you can search this board, or any board that comes up under my name on google, and you won't find an instance where I was making fun of christianity, especially jesus. Now finding instances where I've defended christianity would be relatively easy to do.

[KrAzY3]

[quote]
I'd like to know how islam is not a minority religion. Most people are not muslim, they are not the largest religion globally, and they aren't the majority in any western country.


There is no majority religion.

ma·jor·i·ty greater number or part; a number more than half of the total

So, all religions are minorities. Yet, you said this as though it meant something. So, we better not insult those poor minority Christians!:

I wouldn't allow my paper to publish cartoon so overtly insulting to any religion, especially a minority religion.


If it is right or wrong has absolutely nothing to do with minorities or majorities. How we treat others and how we act should be based on what is fair and what is in keeping with our values. Islam should be held to the same standards we hold other religions to, not special standards. If Puritans were around, I'd treat them no different than I treat other people.

[Labrocca]

The minority/majority debate is pointless. Are you saying since Christianity is the majority religion that it's ok to make fun of it? That's just silly. All religions are fair game to poke fun. Even Jesus has to laugh at some of the jokes about him. At least I would hope.


So Alonzo..are you saying that in your newspaper you would never criticize any religions? Hmmm...

[AlonzoMourning23]

So, all religions are minorities. Yet, you said this as though it meant something. So, we better not insult those poor minority Christians!:


Nowhere did I state christians were a global majority. But I did state that, due to prejudice, care must be taken when dealing with minorities. I even used examples of christians in areas where they were the minority religion.

If it is right or wrong has absolutely nothing to do with minorities or majorities. How we treat others and how we act should be based on what is fair and what is in keeping with our values.

If we are a multicultural society, should we not show at least some concern about the cultural values of others? I don't see where in our culture we are supposed to so bluntly attack others beliefs.

So Alonzo..are you saying that in your newspaper you would never criticize any religions? Hmmm...

No, I said I would never publish such cartoons. I also would not allow my paper to publish a direct attack on a religion, as such actions are in poor taste and uncalled for. If someone wants to outright denounce a specific religion they would need to find another paper. I'm not familiar of many mainstream papers, such as the NYT, boston globe, washington post etc. publishing outright denouncements.

[KrAzY3]

If we are a multicultural society, should we not show at least some concern about the cultural values of others? I don't see where in our culture we are supposed to so bluntly attack others beliefs.


Freedom of expression is our cultural value. When the cartoons were met with death threats and violence they were attacking our cultural values. You can not have a more direct affront to our values. This issue continues to go on, as I said bookstores (citing threats of violence mind you!) have refused to stock books with the images. Displays with the images have been attacked by thugs. This is a affront to our most basic values. When a bookstore can't stock a book because they fear attacks, when a newspaper can't run a story because they fear reprisals, when countries have to apologize for what the free press does we have a serious problem.

So, now that we have established that it is clearly a clash of cultures, which should win out? If I say, well my side of course because it is my side then I'm not making a argument. But, when I point out that our cultural values represent free speech and freedom of expression for everyone and Islamic cultural values (Shariah law for instance) include things like trying to kill converts to other religions our values clearly protect all religions including Islam. If we lose this battle, these other beliefs and cultures you at least seem to want to defend will be threatened. The fact that you don't seem to see this threat amazes me quite frankly. Or is it that you are just trying to us sophistry to divert attention from this central issue?

[PittsburghAfterDark]

When I watch the Mind of Mencia I keep loving that guy more and more.

Cultural values? Protected groups?

Best Carlos Mencia line ever, in reference to gays, "If you can take a dick, you can take a joke!" DEEEE DEEEE DEEEEE DEEEEE DEEEE.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Freedom of expression is our cultural value.

So isn't tolerance. Remember, america is one of the few western nations without hate laws. Western culture typically does not embrace free speech without question. If you write a newspaper article on how hitler did a good deed by attempting to wipe out jews, and/or how the holocause never happened, you could face jail time in many western countries.

When the cartoons were met with death threats and violence they were attacking our cultural values. You can not have a more direct affront to our values. This issue continues to go on, as I said bookstores (citing threats of violence mind you!) have refused to stock books with the images. Displays with the images have been attacked by thugs. This is a affront to our most basic values. When a bookstore can't stock a bookÂ*Â*because they fear attacks, when a newspaper can't run a story because they fear reprisals, when countries have to apologize for what the free press does we have a serious problem.

And many bookstores and newspapers do the same thing, out of respect for muslims. You want to take the actions of a small minority of people and paint it as being at war with the religion. And besides, if we are really in a culture war, which I dispute, then we've done much more to try to change theirs than ours. We judge what is civilized and what isn't, what must be changed and what can remain, based on how closely they resemble us.

So, now that we have established that it is clearly a clash of cultures, which should win out?

Arguments usually speak for themselves.

If I say, well my side of course because it is my side then I'm not making a argument. But, when I point out that our cultural values represent free speech and freedom of expression for everyone and Islamic cultural values (Shariah law for instance) include things like trying to kill converts to other religions our values clearly protect all religions including Islam. If we lose this battle, these other beliefs and cultures you at least seem to want to defend will be threatened. The fact that you don't seem to see this threat amazes me quite frankly. Or is it that you are just trying to us sophistry to divert attention from this central issue?


The central issue is what? I promote freedom of expression with responsibility. I'm not calling for the arrest of people, I'm saying that people should respect the culture of others when its realistic and when the other culture will clearly be offended. Most people exercise some degree of self censorship.

But the killing of converts is a very extreme interpretation of Shariah law. That position was disputed by most muslim scholars, including groups we consider radical, like the muslim brotherhood. To most scholars of islam conversion is considered a personal issue.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

This "out of respect for muslims" line is tired, cliche and and outright lie.

There is no "out of respect for Christians, Republicans, whites, Jews, Hispanics" or any other group except Muslims.

It's not respect, it's fear. There's a difference. The PC crowd though can masquerade their fear with being sensssssssssitive. They understannnnnnnnnnd.

Bullshit.

They live in abject fear of their lives, property and health. It has nothing to do with being sensitive. These champions of free speech are all for it until they have to stand up for it and really mean it as opposed to writing a whiny crying letter to the editor, magazine or posting a message board tizzy.

The defenders of free speech are hiding behind the mommy's dress of sensitivity.

[AlonzoMourning23]

It's great that you think you know so much more about my point of view than I do. Suggesting that it's fear, not respect, that results in view like mine would be hard to prove.

Whenever I make anti-israel comments I often make an attempt to emphasize that I'm talking about the government, not the jewish people. I don't make derogatory comments towards christians, and I've argued with people who did even on CAG. I haven't made negative comments about whites, hispanics etc. Though it's strange you'd point out hispanics, considering the current climate and how liberals are painted as pro-open borders and illegal hispanic immigrant loving.

I've been in groups dominated by muslims (such as sphr, a pro palestinian group), been friends with muslims, lived near a mosque and muslims etc. If I feared them I wouldn't have done those things.

And many liberals love protests, and I've known some who have been arrested (even beaten) during them and then gone back out asap and protested again. I even knew a group of liberals that got arrested for taking over abandoned buildings and attempting to fix them up so homeless people could live in them. And weren't liberals mocked for going to Iraq to act as human shields? And aren't liberals mocked for telling people "If I'm taken hostage then I don't want military action to be taken that could kill the hostage takers"?

Whether you consider them wackos or not, suggesting a hallmark of liberalism is fear and doing absolutely nothing is without merit, at least if you want to say they do less than conservatives.

Also, if liberals are the "defenders of free speech" then that explains why most conservatives only seem to care when their right to verbally attack muslims is questioned, yet don't take so kindly to things attacking christianity.

[Labrocca]

It's fear. I can tell you that for sure.

I wouldn't host those images either..and it ain't cuz of respect. It's simply fear. I got a wife and kids..I don't need some Muslim giving me a hassle. It's not hassle they give either..it's MURDER and DEATH. That ain't a joke. They don't just sanction you or denounce you...they KILL YOU. This is their m.o.. If you leave their religion to become christian. YOU DIE, if you cheat on your husband...YOU DIE..over and over again...the islamic muslims basically consider DEATH a just punishment for all sorts of 'crimes'.

Alonzo you may have more respect for Muslims than most but don't think that you are the majority.

[Deacon]

When I watch the Mind of Mencia I keep loving that guy more and more.

Cultural values? Protected groups?

Best Carlos Mencia line ever, in reference to gays, "If you can take a dick, you can take a joke!" DEEEE DEEEE DEEEEE DEEEEE DEEEE.


Yeah I like that show too........

Racism is defined as the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race. That is trully racism, things that Carlos or other things the people say similar to Carlos, IMO is a sterotypical view.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

The biggest problem through the whole cartoon row was that American papers had to explain that there were riots, deaths, destruction etc yet couldn't show a cartoon. They'll show cars burning, riot police clubbing people, rubber bullets being fired into crowds, sure.... no problem.

They couldn't bring themselves to show a simple political cartoon.

That's cowardly.

That's living in fear.

I'm not talking about liberals 'zo. Just this guise at sensitivity. It reeks of duplicity. It's not genuine respect that drove these decisions. The press in this country has no respect for anything. They'll show American soldiers dead and dragged through Mogadishu and put it on the cover of the everloving USA Today. They'll show corpses hanging from overpasses, charred and unrecognizable.

Yet they can't show a cartoon.

Fear, that's the driving decision maker. Not this garbage of "sensitivity" to Islam.

[KrAzY3]

Coxandforkum.com is a excellent site for this issue. While they do typically conservative cartoons on all subjects they keep updating on this topic as well. Since it has been broached here is something they posted there:

As we mentioned in our last post, from AP: Borders, Walden Won't Carry Magazine.

Borders and Waldenbooks stores will not stock the April-May issue of Free Inquiry magazine because it contains cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that provoked deadly protests among Muslims in several countries.

"For us, the safety and security of our customers and employees is a top priority, and we believe that carrying this issue could challenge that priority," Borders Group Inc. spokeswoman Beth Bingham said Wednesday.

The magazine, published by the Council for Secular Humanism in suburban Amherst, includes four of the drawings that originally appeared in a Danish newspaper in September, including one depicting Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban with a lit fuse.

Charles Johnson has some noteworthy commentary: A Thought About the Borders Statement.

Although [Border's] decision to preemptively surrender is appalling, I actually applaud Borders for being honest and acknowledging their real motivation—fear and concern for employees—for not carrying Free Inquiry, instead of concocting an obviously phony statement about “religious sensitivity.�

[Labrocca]

At least Borders is honest about it.

[Deacon]

I really like the part about the cartoon conflict when they put a 1 mil bounty on the cartoonist's head, Did anyone kill him?

[AlonzoMourning23]

The fatwa was made by a cleric in pakistan, it was denounced by other muslims, particularly muslim leader in denmark. The cartoonists are safe.

I believe it may have even been withdrawn by the guy, but I'm not really sure.


Alonzo you may have more respect for Muslims than most but don't think that you are the majority.


Many newspapers did publish those as a protest, and I am unaware of any threats against those who published those images in north america.

It makes little sense for stores or newspaper to do something that is deeply offensive to people who are paying customers. Showing the central figure in a religion as a terrorist does that. I'm sure that, even without any incidents of violence, then some papers would decide not to publish out of not wanting to offend people. How much of a difference though is highly speculative.

But I can't agree that I'm in the minority, if you are referring to liberals. It makes no sense for the majority of liberals who do not have a problem with muslims or islam to engage in behaviors that they know are extremely offensive to them.

[Labrocca]

Hmm..I can see we can't come eye to eye on this one. That's fine. I know my motivations which leads me to believe others might feel the same. Borders actually announced it outright that fear for their safety was their concern.

IMHO every newspapers prints things that are offensive to someone...that should prevent them from publishing

[gingeman]

It's ridiculous. I commend the guy who drew it- it was a genius piece of work.
People who took offence are uncomfortable about the way it depicts their religion. Every religion is insulted in many ways every day. I respect people's beliefs but any religion that thinks the way to respond to a satirical cartoon is to threaten terrorist activity is a joke. Can't they see the irony? Why do you think the mindset he was appealing to exists? Because of theat sort of response that's why.
The cartoon was bad, but should have been taken on the chin, not responded to in a way that only fuels racist hate.

[justanotherstayathomead]

I can't say anything nice, but what the heck, that never stopped me:

Every God is a creation of man to control mankind with fear and ignorance (I always got a kick out of how often I hear them replace the word ignorant with enlightened, and how few of thier members catch on), they are blowing up schools in Afganistahan and killing children who want to read and write something besides the Koran because the religious elite who lost control would rather kill their own children (not biological children, but the children of their countrymen) than allow them the opportunity to learn.

It makes me sick to hear about them perverting themselves and the next generation to think that God would want anyone dead for past, present, and/or future transgressions.

God doesn't want them dead, We do.

We want the child molesters dead, I don't care where you go to church if some fucked your 7 year old in the ass you would want a little payback, and if a popular "god" was on your side, you would use it for what's its worth. We want the thieves dead, Hey mother fucker thats my Doubble Bacon cheseburger (http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?Pulp_Fiction=burger.mp3).


NEWS FLASH:

God never existed a$$holes (not directed at any members of this forrum unless you are an a$$hole that belives in god), we made him up to explain Life, the universe, and everything. (the answer is 42 btw) The scientific age only started 400 years ago, the absolute truth is still out there, what you are seeing is the "old guard" of religion fighting to keep people living in the past before we knew about dinosaur bones and solar systems. before we understood genetic mutation and natural selection (humans are still evolving today, it's not like we stoped 10,000 years ago and were sudden'y perfect)

when I think about how some 14% of the catholic priests AKA "men of God" molest children for decades without being hit with a little SMITE, or how the Arabs haven't figured out not to take offence to seeing a left hand at the supper table (its called toilet paper and Soap yall, my left had IS clean, and I have NEVER used it as an ass wipe, you asswipe).

The Jews still think Christ is going to show up and take them on a magic carpet ride to see big daddy (you have to think that 2,000 years is long enough. Your the fat chick on prom night all over again, He aint coming).

You can A go alone: (chances are that's how its gona happen folks) or your going postal and will take a few people with you. But God has nothin to say, or do with how, what, where, when you die or the good kids would not get cancer and all the kids that beat up their little brothers would (or they would be born to catholic families and have some special time with the pastor, or muslim ones to becom myrtars)


Its time to wake up and say: "God is a fig-mint of my own mind, and my mind is a scary place to be"

now say it another 50 times




now wake the fuck up, stop being offended because someone made fun of your mythical unicorn, God, pet hamster, Ect, and move on. ITS A CARTOON IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT FEEL FREE TO TURN THE PAGE!!!!


I always preferred my Christ on a popsicle stick anyway, the cross was just to much drama. and I have no doubt muhamad never wore a bomb in his turbin, he was a pussy that robbed food carivans durring the "we won't kill anyone" season after being kicked outfrom his home town because they thought he was fucking nuts (reminds me of salt lake for some reason)


RANT

puff puff give mother fucker. legalize, realize, oh yeah, and sodomize but only if they ask.

[AlonzoMourning23]

I can't say anything nice, but what the heck, that never stopped me:

Every God is a creation of man to control mankind with fear and ignorance (I always got a kick out of how often I hear them replace the word ignorant with enlightened, and how few of thier members catch on), they are blowing up schools in Afganistahan and killing children who want to read and write something besides the Koran because the religious elite who lost control would rather kill their own children (not biological children, but the children of their countrymen) than allow them the opportunity to learn.

It makes me sick to hear about them perverting themselves and the next generation to think that God would want anyone dead for past, present, and/or future transgressions.

God doesn't want them dead, We do.

We want the child molesters dead, I don't care where you go to church if some fucked your 7 year old in the ass you would want a little payback, and if a popular "god" was on your side, you would use it for what's its worth. We want the thieves dead, Hey mother fucker thats my Doubble Bacon cheseburger (http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?Pulp_Fiction=burger.mp3).


NEWS FLASH:

God never existed a$$holes (not directed at any members of this forrum unless you are an a$$hole that belives in god), we made him up to explain Life, the universe, and everything. (the answer is 42 btw) The scientific age only started 400 years ago, the absolute truth is still out there, what you are seeing is the "old guard" of religion fighting to keep people living in the past before we knew about dinosaur bones and solar systems. before we understood genetic mutation and natural selection (humans are still evolving today, it's not like we stoped 10,000 years ago and were sudden'y perfect)

when I think about how some 14% of the catholic priests AKA "men of God" molest children for decades without being hit with a little SMITE, or how the Arabs haven't figured out not to take offence to seeing a left hand at the supper table (its called toilet paper and Soap yall, my left had IS clean, and I have NEVER used it as an ass wipe, you asswipe).

The Jews still think Christ is going to show up and take them on a magic carpet ride to see big daddy (you have to think that 2,000 years is long enough. Your the fat chick on prom night all over again, He aint coming).

You can A go alone: (chances are that's how its gona happen folks) or your going postal and will take a few people with you. But God has nothin to say, or do with how, what, where, when you die or the good kids would not get cancer and all the kids that beat up their little brothers would (or they would be born to catholic families and have some special time with the pastor, or muslim ones to becom myrtars)


Its time to wake up and say: "God is a fig-mint of my own mind, and my mind is a scary place to be"

now say it another 50 times




now wake the fuck up, stop being offended because someone made fun of your mythical unicorn, God, pet hamster, Ect, and move on. ITS A CARTOON IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT FEEL FREE TO TURN THE PAGE!!!!


I always preferred my Christ on a popsicle stick anyway, the cross was just to much drama. and I have no doubt muhamad never wore a bomb in his turbin, he was a pussy that robbed food carivans durring the "we won't kill anyone" season after being kicked outfrom his home town because they thought he was fucking nuts (reminds me of salt lake for some reason)


RANT

puff puff give mother fucker. legalize, realize, oh yeah, and sodomize but only if they ask.


I never have to wonder why atheists get so little respect.

But prove God doesn't exist. You said nothing to dispute that, and mostly showed lack of understanding of religious viewpoints.

[Labrocca]

lol...nice post Daddy...you are insane but still a nice rant.

[justanotherstayathomead]

"But prove God doesn't exist. You said nothing to dispute that, and mostly showed lack of understanding of religious viewpoints. "


Oh fuck me running, I have to prove to you God dosen't exist? your religous leaders cant evan do that for christs sake! Religous viewpoints? you mean the parts that say Im saposed to go tell a child molesting priest I like to rub one out on a 19 year old virgins ass and feel guilty about it, or the perhaps I should go kill all the muslems that convert to christianity as a show of good faith for thier views?

you think you know god exists, I think aliens do. Statisticly I have a better chance of being right than you do ( your view 1 god made earth for mankind, and everything here just for us, my view random fucking luck thier are what? a billion trillian stars we have found), I'll play the odds.

when your book was writen they murdered people that claimed the earth was round, in the last 400 years we have proven your books are cute storys about dead people.

you read about how the "evil" judas was Christs favorite? it is older than some of the books included in your bible, how judas didn't betray christ, but freed him and allowd him to be the chosen one or some crap.

its your faith, you should fight to have the books updated with current (1600 year old) texts


I will stick to the future of quantam physics, alien life, and when I die its all over. lol live forever with 72 virgins! I maried 1 why would I want more?

[AlonzoMourning23]

Oh fuck me running,

I think that would be unpleasant.

I have to prove to you God dosen't exist? your religous leaders cant evan do that for christs sake!

I'm not sure what to say to someone who just made a point of saying "a religious leader can't even disprove god".

Religous viewpoints? you mean the parts that say Im saposed to go tell a child molesting priest I like to rub one out on a 19 year old virgins ass and feel guilty about it, or the perhaps I should go kill all the muslems that convert to christianity as a show of good faith for thier views?

Ah yes, since child molestation and killing converts are such central tenants of those faiths, and enjoy widespread support among religious scholars.

you think you know god exists, I think aliens do. Statisticly I have a better chance of being right than you do ( your view 1 god made earth for mankind, and everything here just for us, my view random fucking luck thier are what? a billion trillian stars we have found), I'll play the odds.

I mentioned nothing about my view. There are religious who have many god(esse)s, 1 god(ess), and no god(ess). Unless you want to tell me which religion I am, I don't think you can make such claims.

And whether life is possible on other planets dictates whether they have life. You can't determine the statical probability of god existing, so such a statement cannot be right or wrong.

when your book was writen they murdered people that claimed the earth was round, in the last 400 years we have proven your books are cute storys about dead people.

Not all religions have creation myths, and there are even large religions that weren't even finalized 400 years ago. And I'd like to know how you've proven religious texts are just stories.

You're just making ridiculous claims and backing them up with equally absurd assumptions.

you read about how the "evil" judas was Christs favorite? it is older than some of the books included in your bible, how judas didn't betray christ, but freed him and allowd him to be the chosen one or some crap.

You do realize that different religious texts have different portrayals of the same event. One non cannonized gospel agreeing with your world view doesn't negate the various other ones (cannonized or not) in opposition to it.

its your faith, you should fight to have the books updated with current (1600 year old) texts

Why should I want the word of god revised by human hands? And what exactly is my faith?


I will stick to the future of quantam physics, alien life, and when I die its all over. lol live forever with 72 virgins! I maried 1 why would I want more?


And such a statement is often disputed by muslim scholars, and there is no such statement in the quran.

[Churchel]

LOL listening to all of you squabble over this is kind of fun. I am picturing the group of you swatting each other with foam rubber pool floats.

My easy take on it is we are fighting muslim rednecks. Its simple as that. I also have no problem taking out someone who is trying to bring the earth back to an AD700 mentality, regardless of the religion involved.

I have been mulling on pulling the trigger to another site that is based around the bombturban pic. My thoughts are along simillar lines to labrocca, but as for me I have no family. I have concerns it would affect my employment to a degree.