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PittsburghAfterDark
03-31-2006, 11:24 AM
Super Shotguns in Iraq
by Doug Mohney
May 18, 2005

American troops are testing a new 12 gauge automatic shotgun in Iraq. Weighing 10.5 pounds unloaded, the Auto Assault 12 (AA12) has a rate of fire of 360 rounds per minute, and uses either an 8-round box magazine (adding 12 ounces to weapon weight) or a 20 round drum magazine (adding 2.5 pounds). Recoil on the system has been reduced to that of a light rifle, due to a sophisticated recoil system. The low rate of fire makes it possible to easily fire bursts of one, two, or three shots and is capable of using and mixing all types of 12 gauge ammunition, from shot to solid slugs, as well as non-lethal rounds. Allegedly, Iraqi insurgents have little respect for the M4 rifle and the 5.56mm round, but they fear shotguns, especially a "street sweeper" like the AA12.

If that's not enough of a firepower increase at the squad level, the Marine Corps is testing a family of 12 gauge shells designed to deliver blast, fragmentation, and high-explosive armored piercing projectiles out to 200 meters. The high-explosive armor piercing projectile uses a shaped charge that has been demonstrated to put a 1 inch hole in quarter-inch steel plate. A total of 100 projectiles have been bought for testing as well as some quantity for "experimental use" in Iraq.

At first glance, packing an armor-piercing charge into a 12 gauge round sounds like overkill, but Iraqi terrorists are becoming increasingly sophisticated in fortifying themselves, vehicles, and fixed positions. Foreign fighters are using Russian-style body armor in their raids. Suicide bombers driving vehicles often wear body armor for protection until they get "on target" and some vehicles have been reportedly hardened with bullet-resistant glass and armor plate. In one incident, terrorists in a basement/crawlspace used a Russian machine gun equipped with armor-piercing rounds to shoot through a concrete floor to attack Marines. The American troops had no effective way of firing back and ultimately had to call for an air strike with a 500 pound smart bomb to eliminate the resistance.

A combination of 12 gauge armor-piercing rounds with a shotgun would provide a weapon capable of effectively stopping an up-armored vehicle or larger truck without the extra weight and expense of a dedicated anti-tank weapon. It would also provide an enhanced capability in urban warfare with a convenient and familiar method of employment.
Link (http://www.strategypage.com/the_war_in_iraq/weapons/200551803120.asp)

http://www.defensereview.com/stories/aa-12/AA12%20Shotgun_FIREBALL%20WITH%20CASE%20EXTRACTION .jpg

http://www.defensereview.com/stories/aa-12/AA-12%20Upside%20Down.jpg

FucangLong
03-31-2006, 11:43 AM
Oh wow, that is a shotgun?

AlonzoMourning23
03-31-2006, 12:29 PM
Is it easily controllable? Is there an increased danger or accidentally hitting civilians if this is used in more crowded areas?

FucangLong
03-31-2006, 03:57 PM
360 rounds a minute. That is just insane. I don't know how it will help, considering the recoil will be hell.

PittsburghAfterDark
03-31-2006, 04:07 PM
Recoil on the system has been reduced to that of a light rifle, due to a sophisticated recoil system.

There were photos of a 12 or 13 year old firing it from the hip. I don't think recoil would be that difficult to deal with.

FucangLong
03-31-2006, 04:09 PM
Ehh, thats what I get for not reading all of it. :P

E-Z-B
04-04-2006, 08:15 PM
When I saw "shotgun" and "face" in the thread title, I immediately thought of Cheney. :P

Deacon
04-04-2006, 08:55 PM
12 gauge is not bad, I am good at rifles and 12 gauges. So the reciol is not tooo bad, but shot guns are a pain to reload, becasue of wieght. They don't have the distance of the a rifle. I shot an Ar-15(Civilian M-4) and it is sooooooooooooooooo much nicer than a shotgun

Labrocca
04-05-2006, 01:10 AM
NICE! I love a shotty. Seems the troops could use this extra firepower.

Deacon
04-05-2006, 04:35 PM
Only useful when they are charging a building, besides the military is cutting down on automatics, they are keeping the SAW, but turning many rifles back into a 3 round burst

Hendrik
04-06-2006, 01:56 PM
Make Love, not war.

PittsburghAfterDark
04-06-2006, 02:02 PM
Thanks for the feedback hippie :P.

Old Corps Gunny
04-07-2006, 06:13 PM
The article stated the shotgun would use an 8-round box magazine or a 20-round drum magazine, so loading it wouldn't be a problem. Of course, reloading the drum magazine may or may not be difficult (the old Thompson drum mags were a real pain). As far as converting the "rifles back into a 3 round burst" goes, the original M16 originally was either semiautomatic or full auto, no in between. You fired a burst by practicing trigger control - Mark 1 Mod 0 finger. It wasn't until after Vietnam that the M16 was modified to fire a 3-round burst, and that was because any more than 3 rounds was wasted ammunition anyway, all the rest were going off target. I sure wish they that shotgun when I was on active duty, would have made a nice backup weapon. Sweet!