Executing Child Rapists?

[KrAzY3]

S.C. May Soon Execute Repeat Child Rapists
http://www.nbc10.com/news/8335069/detail.html

This is a very interesting story since rape is not considered a capital crime.

[AlonzoMourning23]

This doesn't sound constitutional. It probably would never be put into practice.

[DHard3006]

This is a very interesting story since rape is not considered a capital crime.
In my state and many others the use of deadly force is allowed by the law to stop or prevent a rape. So why shouldn’t the use of the death penalty be allowed to remove these sexual predators from society?
This doesn't sound constitutional. It probably would never be put into practice.
Is it constitutional to rape people?

[bobbylien]

This is a very interesting story since rape is not considered a capital crime.
In my state and many others the use of deadly force is allowed by the law to stop or prevent a rape. So why shouldn’t the use of the death penalty be allowed to remove these sexual predators from society?
This doesn't sound constitutional. It probably would never be put into practice.
Is it constitutional to rape people?

We could also remove these sexual predators from society by life in prison.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Is it constitutional to rape people?


Is it constitutional to steal? If not then I guess it's ok execute every pickpocket.

[DHard3006]

We could also remove these sexual predators from society by life in prison.
Apparently you have no knowledge of the criminal justice system. To house a criminal for life you must provide housing, food and health care.
While in the custody of the corrections system this predator will be in he will have ample time to continue his criminals pastime while in prison. That means he will rape other inmates that are smaller then him.
So since you lack the backbone to execute dangerous sexual predators you now want to subject other inmates in prison for lesser crimes to sexual abuse.
There is a case right now where a judge did not sentence a child rapist to prison because the baby raper was 5 ‘ 1" tall. This perverted judge felt the little baby raper would be placed in a dangerous situation if sent to prison with big bad men. I guess in this perverted judges thinking children do not deserve the same consideration.

[Labrocca]

Victimizing a child with rape needs to become a federal crime imho with more serious consequences. We have excellent forensic evidence now so that just crying rape can be backed up by DNA. I say let the rapist get castrated.

[bobbylien]

We could also remove these sexual predators from society by life in prison.
Apparently you have no knowledge of the criminal justice system. To house a criminal for life you must provide housing, food and health care.
While in the custody of the corrections system this predator will be in he will have ample time to continue his criminals pastime while in prison. That means he will rape other inmates that are smaller then him.
So since you lack the backbone to execute dangerous sexual predators you now want to subject other inmates in prison for lesser crimes to sexual abuse.
There is a case right now where a judge did not sentence a child rapist to prison because the baby raper was 5 ‘ 1" tall. This perverted judge felt the little baby raper would be placed in a dangerous situation if sent to prison with big bad men. I guess in this perverted judges thinking children do not deserve the same consideration.

:rolleyes: You do know that it costs more to put a man to death then it does to leave him in prison. We need to up the security in prisons so that things like that cant happen. Honestly, I don't care what happens to criminals in prison. The worse their experience, the less likely they will be to want to return.
I fully support executing child sex offenders though, but only if the case is proven beyond a resonable doubt.

[AlonzoMourning23]

The worse their experience, the less likely they will be to want to return.

That's not really true. It tends to harden them if it's too much, and makes them less likely to ever be able to live a normal life.

I think rehabilitation is key. Not because I want to aid the individual, but beause unless the person can participate in society they become a very high risk to reoffend. If no attempt is made to rehabilitate and treat them, you are simply releasing a ticking time bomb when they are released from prison.

[Labrocca]

Rehabilitation for sexual predators is something we are failing at. I am not saying it can't be done but sometimes when something is broken you are better off throwing it away. Rehab for sex offenders is not the answer in todays society. Maybe 100 years from now..heck maybe 25-50 years but imho we must consider the victims and the future victims of the predators. It's not enough to say we will 'try'. We need a better plan to protect our children.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Rehabilitation is not in place properly in many places, as the case in vermont painfully pointed out. It was not available to some classes of pedophiles in that case, and for some it was only optional and after release.

Unless we intend to lock people up permanently (which, regardless of opinion, we know won't happen), anything is better than releasing someone from prison while doing absolutely nothing to aid them living a lawful life.

Rehabilitation and treatment is not a cureall, and many psychologists have come to believe true pedophilia is essentially a sexual orientation. That doesn't mean it's acceptable, but simply acknowledging that there's not a whole lot you can do to change it. Now, not every child rapist fits that category (sometimes it's only a temporary attraction due to life stress), and not even all of them are actually attracted to children. If you're dealing with someone who is not a true pedophile, then rehab can help get their life back together. If you are dealing with someone who is a true pedophile, then rehab can at least aid them in not acting on it. Success rates aren't spectacular by any means, it's just the alternative is much worse.

There is a surgery that can be done to reduce sex drive, but it is often rejected even when prisoners request it, stating that it's the only way they won't reoffend.

[Labrocca]

Rehabilitation and treatment is not a cureall, and many psychologists have come to believe true pedophilia is essentially a sexual orientation.


Interesting you say this. Not to throw this thread off but in the future when it comes to 'gay rights' I will be using these words against you.

I think there are answers to the sexual predators but our society isn't ready for them yet. We can't continue to allow our women and especially children to be victimized again and again by the same people. I don't know the answer but I do know it has to be drastic and harsh. Slaps on the wrist and so-called treatments aren't doing it.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Well, with people where it is essentially an orientation, you can't "cure" them. You just can get them not to act on it. And, since unlike homosexuality, the pedophiles "partner" usually has psychological, if not physical damage, there is no similarity other than that the attraction is firmly established. That similarity is shared by homosexuals, heterosexual, bisexuals (in the sense you can't make them not attracted to both) and some pedophiles.

[Labrocca]

Let's argue the homosexual issue later and focus on the thread.

Anyone else have input on executing child rapists?

[Hendrik]

I totally agree with alonzomourning23. You have some really good points.

Hendrik

[bobbylien]

Is the life of a child rapist more important then completely innocent children? Its not worth letting them out until we can be absolutely sure they won't do it again. If that means locking them all up in prison until we can figure out a genetic cure, so be it. These people gave up their rights when they committed their horrible acts.

[DHard3006]

Is it constitutional to steal? If not then I guess it's ok execute every pickpocket.
Gee now you have placed rapist on the same level as thieves. Thieves take people's property and rapist violate a persons body. So how do you consider the two equal?
You do know that it costs more to put a man to death then it does to leave him in prison.
Only because touchy feel good types against the death penalty help the criminals appeal their cases.
We need to up the security in prisons so that things like that cant happen.Â*Â*
So you want to take rapists and place them in prison and give them better security then their victims?
Honestly, I don't care what happens to criminals in prison. The worse their experience, the less likely they will be to want to return.
So you do not care if they get raped or beaten in prison but you just do not want to execute them.

[bobbylien]

Honestly, I don't care what happens to criminals in prison. The worse their experience, the less likely they will be to want to return.
So you do not care if they get raped or beaten in prison but you just do not want to execute them.

Did you even read this topic? I said I support executing child rapists, idiot. I just said that there are other ways to do it, executing them is not the only way to remove them from society. I don't consider prison society.

[DHard3006]

Did you even read this topic? I said I support executing child rapists, idiot. I just said that there are other ways to do it, executing them is not the only way to remove them from society. I don't consider prison society.
Well braindead moron the rapist would be housed, provided food and health care at the expensive of the tax payer. That is society.

Amazing how idiots like to call other people names when they are the dumbest people around.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Only because touchy feel good types against the death penalty help the criminals appeal their cases.

Ya, who cares if innocent people get killed?

[DHard3006]

Ya, who cares if innocent people get killed?

Do you mean like the victims?
The few cases I have read about innocent people being executed were because the people working for the state refused to accepted the true facts. Now to use these few cases to defended no executions is asinine.
Do you mean executing the manson family killers would be unjust?
Do you mean executing gacy was unjust?
Do you mean executing Timothy McVeigh was unjust?

[AlonzoMourning23]

Ya, who cares if innocent people get killed?

Do you mean like the victims?
The few cases I have read about innocent people being executed were because the people working for the state refused to accepted the true facts. Now to use these few cases to defended no executions is asinine.
Do you mean executing the manson family killers would be unjust?
Do you mean executing gacy was unjust?
Do you mean executing Timothy McVeigh was unjust?


I think you have a 100% record of misreading what I say. If you want a real response from me, make you comment actually reflect what I said. Nowhere did I argue for a ban on all executions.

[DHard3006]

I think you have a 100% record of misreading what I say. If you want a real response from me, make you comment actually reflect what I said. Nowhere did I argue for a ban on all executions.
Play your games all you want. Touchy feel good do gooders got two convicted killers of a baby off of death row because they are against the death penalty. I guess the baby’s life does not matter to touchy feel good do gooders.

[F34R]

I agree Labrocca. How many times do we see, these days, that a sexual offender has been released, and then has committed another serious offense. I mean, how many people do they get to rape, torture, and kill, before they are punished properly ? The death penalty for a sexual battery on a minor, seems ok to me. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

I know this comment didnt sound too intelligent, but the topic makes me so mad, it's hard for me to post with an objectivity.

[longjonsilver]

I would be all in favor of the death penalty for child rapists, however just as someone proposed before, in cases such as rape there is an easier, more effective, less brutal method of punishment, which is castration. The reason we see so many repeat offenses of rape is because it is testosterone driven. These people can't quit. However through castration you achieve the optimal goal of punishment, which is the guarantee that the offense will not be commited again. This can only be accomplished through two types of punishment: castration and capital punishment. But castration can be done in a way that utilizes prison space and tax dollars, with the only downfall being that it is irreversable, just as capital punishment.

[Old Corps Gunny]

If you look at the Jessica Lunsford case in Florida, the child rapist/murderer Couhy had been convicted of child molestation before and was a registered sex offender. There are too many cases of child rapists being declared "cured" or at least able to "control" their impulses, released, and then committing the same offense. We, as a society, have an overwhelming obligation to protect our children. If chemical or physical castration works, I'm all for it; if, however, that doesn't work then I feel the only way to protect our children is to permanently keep these predators away from potential victims and that is either isolation or eradication. I don't have a problem with either solution.

[bobbylien]

Child rapists should be executed. But since I can't really see that happening. We should start with just giving them life in prison sentences. Its not worth risking the lives of innocent children so a few child rapists can live the rest of their worthless lives.

[Nitrus]

I agree. I think castration is a good idea, and life imprisonment.

-N

[longjonsilver]

If only the country thought like all of us do, but instead we choose to register these people and put tracking devises on them (which do nothing but help find the offender AFTER the crime is commited). I wish there was someone here to reasonably speak in negation of castration, life in prison, or execution, so that I could try to understand why our country is the way it is.

[Old Corps Gunny]

It is an unfortunate trend to concentrate on the "rights" of the criminal instead of the rights of society to be protected from predators. If a species will not protect its young, that species is on a fast track to extinction.

[utahraptor]

S.C. May Soon Execute Repeat Child Rapists
http://www.nbc10.com/news/8335069/detail.html

This is a very interesting story since rape is not considered a capital crime.


Sounds like a good idea, but only if it doesn't take 20 years to stick the needle in.

[utahraptor]

We could also remove these sexual predators from society by life in prison.
Apparently you have no knowledge of the criminal justice system. To house a criminal for life you must provide housing, food and health care.
While in the custody of the corrections system this predator will be in he will have ample time to continue his criminals pastime while in prison. That means he will rape other inmates that are smaller then him.
So since you lack the backbone to execute dangerous sexual predators you now want to subject other inmates in prison for lesser crimes to sexual abuse.
There is a case right now where a judge did not sentence a child rapist to prison because the baby raper was 5 ‘ 1" tall. This perverted judge felt the little baby raper would be placed in a dangerous situation if sent to prison with big bad men. I guess in this perverted judges thinking children do not deserve the same consideration.

:rolleyes: You do know that it costs more to put a man to death then it does to leave him in prison. We need to up the security in prisons so that things like that cant happen. Honestly, I don't care what happens to criminals in prison. The worse their experience, the less likely they will be to want to return.
I fully support executing child sex offenders though, but only if the case is proven beyond a resonable doubt.


The high cost is all the appeals. Make it a straight shot and then stick the needle in. Thus being said I also think that if cops or prosecutors hide evidence that could prove the suspect not guilty, they should have to suffer the same fae as the suspect, up to and including execution.

[AlonzoMourning23]

The high cost is all the appeals.

The average exoneration takes 10 years. You're killing a lot of people wrongly convicted by speeding it up.

[BoogyMan]

The high cost is all the appeals.

The average exoneration takes 10 years. You're killing a lot of people wrongly convicted by speeding it up.


Alonzo, would you support death for repeat child sex offenders if there was DNA evidence?

[Athena]

Victimizing a child with rape needs to become a federal crime imho with more serious consequences.Â*Â*We have excellent forensic evidence now so that just crying rape can be backed up by DNA.Â*Â*I say let the rapist get castrated.


This time I am here for debate.

I am concerned that we are using terms too loosely. A baby's openings are too small for a normal sized penis, so I suspect what is being called raped of a baby, does not mean the penitration of a penis, therefore, there would be no DNA evidence. Molesting children can mean a variety of things.

Now because molesting children can mean a vareity of things, people can be accused of molesting a child when there was no sexual intent at all, such as grandma and grandpa sleeping with the baby when they are caring for the baby. A woman who was most active in changing the bureaucracy that dealt with taking children from their parents, became active because her husband was wrongly accused of being sexual with a their granddaughter. I think we need to personally know these people, before judging them. We should not be condemning people just because a wrongful act is possible. The drama of a child being a sexual victim is greater in our minds, than the drama of a child put in a foster home, because one is an earthquake, and the other is like the side of river bank slowly slipping into a river, until the house goes into the river too. Both are damaging, but only the major event gets the strong emotional reaction. It is very hard for us to be aware of how strongly emotions determine our judgement, and therefore, the high risk of injustice and serious harm to innocent people.

Castrating someone with perverted sexual impluses, does not make anyone safe. My dog is castrated and still attempts to hump other dogs. It would be a blessing for everyone if the solution were as simple as castration.

Perverted sexual impluses can be considered a disease like terets syndome. Sorry I don't know how to spell the disorder, but it causes a person to make sounds and say inappropriate things. People with this disorder, really can not control the sounds and words. And if you feel compeled to argue this, please begin with getting information about the disorder. Anyway, same with sexual responses. Some of us have more control over our sexual responses than others. Some people with inappropriate sexual responses can learn to manage them and not act on them. Obviously repeat offenders are so fortunate. But like someone with terets syndrome, they can not chose to be different.

My argument is, considering our minds and bodies are not 100% under our control, :) we stop aging if this were possible, our choice is to kill imperfect people, or to have compassion on them, thank God, we do not have that particular problem, and then decide what to do about the people who do have the problem. Obviously a compassionate society, must care for some people crippled by a disease. When it is the mind that is disoredered, is there a good arguement for being less compassionate? I don't mean do nothing because of compassion. Far from it. I think we need to be real and stop putting them back out on the streets!!! On the other hand, killing them is better than killing someone with a crippled body, why?

[crimzonsol]

Because the Average amount of victims For People Praying On Children is Around 800. I personally Would Not HAve A Problem With Killing Them. This is not a treatable case these peolpe have Anti-Social Disorder they will not change.

[Labrocca]

Old thread but still a good subject. I also wonder if we can't place ALL sexual predators in the same prison. That way their victimizing each other. I don't believe it's fair a person convicted of non-violent crime (burglary, drug dealing, fraud) should have to be in prison with violent people.

[crimzonsol]

for a republican you sure don't know your way around money, Do you know how much that would cost? Better to kill the assholes and be done with it.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Alonzo, would you support death for repeat child sex offenders if there was DNA evidence?

No, since I don't support the death penalty. But the maximum punishment, yes and no. It depends of how the criminals mental state. If it's something they are trying to fight against then give then go relatively easy on them, while still keeping them away from the population. By that I mean jail or treatment, though treatment isn't very effective.

I remember one guy begging the prison to have a surgery performed on him (forget what it was), and it was one of the few things that has been shown to have a realistic chance of stopping sexual predators. The prison refused, despite the guy repeatedly saying he didn't even trust himself not to harm children when released. He was released, but I don't know what happened after that.

Another guy has appeared on fox news sometimes. He molested multiple children. He campaigns to protect children, but at the same time says that he is still dangerous to children. He does everything possible to stay away from children, including not even entering public buses with children present. He just turns around and leaves if he sees one.

So, people like that deserve sympathy. Their sickness victims others as well as themselves. People who revel in their pedophilia, or do not to try to prevent it, do not deserve any sympathy though..

Because the Average amount of victims For People Praying On Children is Around 800.

The number is high, but it's not even remotely close to that.

This is not a treatable case these peolpe have Anti-Social Disorder they will not change.

Just like any sex offender those people are likely overrepresented here, but many, probably most, wouldn't fit the criteria for anti-social personality disorder.

[crimzonsol]

The definition for anti-social disorder is that you are unable to fell empathy or any other emotion towards anybody other than yourself. people can fight it, but its like trying to dam the ocean. Its not aquestion of if they do it, its a question of when. The average is corect for the people that I deal with. Although I deal with the worst cases

[AlonzoMourning23]

The number ranges wildly, with averages as low at 15 or so all the way into a hundred plus. But it's not particularly important.

The definition of anti-social personality disorder isn't entirely correct, as that alone doesn't qualify you. Anti-Social personality disorder involves failure to learn from experience, inability to conform to societal norms, lack of remorse or anxiety (as you stated), superficial charm etc. They tend to have little order in their life, be impulsive and often arrogant. Of course most won't have all these traits, and there are varying degrees of the disorder.

This population does have a high number of criminals, though they're not all criminals. But it isn't the same as pedophilia, and, again, while they're likely to be overrepresented, pedophiles tend to have other things going on. Pedophiles tend to be very immature, and have difficulty even grasping that what they did was wrong. People with anti-social personality disorder tend to understand, they just often don't agree and they just don't care.

You're not going to have to sit down with someone who has anti-social personality disorder and explain to them why a 3 year old child didn't want to have sex with them. They know the child didn't want it. With pedophiles sometimes you do have to explain that.

[crimzonsol]

failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment

For Repeat offenders this would seem to be central to their ability to go to jail and leave and then do it again

[AlonzoMourning23]

For Repeat offenders this would seem to be central to their ability to go to jail and leave and then do it again


Not necessarily. A pedophile who acts on his/her urges and who feels remorse, who thinks the sex is consensual, or who can't comprehend that the child wasn't "asking for it" in all probability would not be diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder.

I found this study. It sounds about right:

In extrafamilial child molesters, 36.6% exhibited anti-social personality disorder, while 25.2% of intrafamilial child molesters showed antisocial personality disorder.

http://www.sexual-offender-treatment.org/39.0.html

[crimzonsol]

I Guess My view is skewed by the fact that almost all of the ones I deal with have Anti-social disorder. I think that the worst of them should still be kill, as for the rest I have no ideas on how to handle them.