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Stoner
12-25-2006, 02:14 AM
As you all know I really like weedÂ*Â*http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

But on a serious note, do you feel marijuana should be legal?

I am a big advocate of NORML. I have always strongly believed herb should be legal. It is far less dangerous than alcohol and cigarettes. I never could understand why it's illegal.

Two questions.

1. Should it be legal?

2. Do you think it will one day?

Elrathin
12-25-2006, 02:34 AM
#1. Yes, it should be legal.

#2. No, I don't think it will mainly because of anti-smoking bans going into effect all over the nation. I see smoking one day being banned all together. Not what I want, personally, but that is what I see happening.

underdawg
12-25-2006, 02:38 AM
Personally I do not think it is the job of the government to tell us what we can and can not do to our own bodies. I hate that they think they should be some sort of safety police trying to protect us from ourselves. It seems a bit biased that our government should say that some drugs are legal and that others are illegal. I guess maybe it is the lobbyists that are calling the shots here.

CheesyMuslim
12-25-2006, 03:36 AM
Sorry bout that,

1. But no it should never be made legal.
2. Smoking Pot Isn't Fun, after all.
3. It is a bummer, and a dead end trip to Nowheresville.
4. It leads to being lazy.
5. And paranoia.
6. It makes a young mind that has great potential into a basic loser.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Elrathin
12-25-2006, 05:31 AM
1. But no it should never be made legal.
2. Smoking Pot Isn't Fun, after all.
3. It is a bummer, and a dead end trip to Nowheresville.
4. It leads to being lazy.
5. And paranoia.
6. It makes a young mind that has great potential into a basic loser.


All myths. I know several successful people that smoke pot on the weekends with none of the myths you listed chess.

Like alcohol, there needs to be an age limit, tax the shit out of it, and free up our crowded jails from pot offenders.

CheesyMuslim
12-25-2006, 01:20 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But Elrathin knows nothing, and supporting Potheads, is moronic.
2. Few if any go one to lead normal lives.
3. Perhaps 2% of Potheads ever do anything worth while with their lives.
4. That's a losers hand in any card game.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Elrathin
12-25-2006, 01:47 PM
3. Perhaps 2% of Potheads ever do anything worth while with their lives.


And yet another number Chess just pulls out of his ass. Care to show proof to back that up? Oh wait, no you can't do that cause the proof doesn't exist.

Sorry Chess, but stick to bible thumping cause you don't know anything about Pot.

CheesyMuslim
12-25-2006, 02:34 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But I am a authority of Potheads.
2. Most the Potheads I ever knew are still living in a time warp 1960's reality.
3. And are also drunks on the most part.
4. They hunger for another puff of Pot, while they complain about the Government.
5. They never voted, and they still live at home, if there Mommas will let them.
6. Otherwise they live with other Potheads.
7. They never paid any Social Security Taxes, because they always worked construction jobs that never with held taxes.
8. They never paid any tax whatsoever, unless they paid it when they bought something, in the form of sales tax.
9. They never married, but when some did, it was a disaster, they were terrible parents, neglected their wives, and same goes for their children.
10. They murdered people and threatened to murder their own brothers, and family members.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Elrathin
12-25-2006, 02:46 PM
1. But I am a authority of Potheads.

Yeah right, and I'm God.


2. Most the Potheads I ever knew are still living in a time warp 1960's reality.
3. And are also drunks on the most part.
4. They hunger for another puff of Pot, while they complain about the Government.
5. They never voted, and they still live at home, if there Mommas will let them.
6. Otherwise they live with other Potheads.
7. They never paid any Social Security Taxes, because they always worked construction jobs that never with held taxes.
8. They never paid any tax whatsoever, unless they paid it when they bought something, in the form of sales tax.
9. They never married, but when some did, it was a disaster, they were terrible parents, neglected their wives, and same goes for their children.
10. They murdered people and threatened to murder their own brothers, and family members.


Unfortunately what you are describing is a false stereotype Chess. Most construction jobs have the most rigorous drug testing now due to lawsuits being filed against the construction company should a fault happen due to them.

Most adults that smoke pot I would say contribute quite a bit to society. Some are senators and some are corporate leaders as well. Sorry, Chess, but yet again you have proven your "Highly Trained" title is worth less than my piss.

CheesyMuslim
12-25-2006, 02:53 PM
Unfortunately what you are describing is a false stereotype Chess.Â*Â*Most construction jobs have the most rigorous drug testing now due to lawsuits being filed against the construction company should a fault happen due to them.

Most adults that smoke pot I would say contribute quite a bit to society. Some are senators and some are corporate leaders as well.Â*Â*Sorry, Chess, but yet again you have proven your "Highly Trained" title is worth less than my piss.



Sorry bout that,

1. But you know not what of you speak.
2. That's sad.
3. You also must have some very valuable piss, because if it compares to my *Highly Trained* anything, than you should bottle it, and sell it.
4. You really are an angry person Elrathin, you should lighten up dude a rooney, Its Christmas Day, Merry Christmas ol buddy.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Elrathin
12-25-2006, 03:01 PM
1. But you know not what of you speak.
2. That's sad.

No, what is sad is someone such as yourself that needs to add titles to make you seem self-important. That is sad. When you actually learn something of the real world, come back, until then stick to reading the bible so you don't hurt yourself.


3. You also must have some very valuable piss, because if it compares to my *Highly Trained* anything, than you should bottle it, and sell it.

No, it is just like every other piss in the world, completely useless and worth nothing, just like your "highly trained" titles.


4. You really are an angry person Elrathin, you should lighten up dude a rooney, Its Christmas Day, Merry Christmas ol buddy.


On the contrary, I am a very happy person. It makes me laugh each day to read your posts that are so goofy and idiotic, that they border on insane. It's like reading the funnies.

Sorry Chess, but again, you are proven wrong. Merry Christmas just the same. Now I am going to go give breakfast in bed to my lovely wife and have a wonderful day as always.

Maybe you should smoke some pot yourself. Cause you just don't know anything about it. This is true, because I am God.

Stoner
12-25-2006, 03:02 PM
Yes, Chess is not stating real facts.Â*Â*Those are all myths.

Here are some facts.

-Â*Â*Marijuana does not give you the serious health consequences alcohol and cigarettes do.

-Â*Â*About 50,000 people a year die from alcohol poisoning.

-Â*Â*Around 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking.

-Â*Â*Marijuana is non-toxic and you can't overdose on it.

-Â*Â*Smoking marijuana long term is not harmful to health.Â*Â*

The last statement is according to the Lancet, a prestigious European medical journal.

It angers me to see these anti-marijuana ads on television.Â*Â*It's not the drug they need to go after.Â*Â*Meth, for example, is without a shadow of a doubt the most dangerous drug on the planet.Â*Â*No drug does what meth does to you.Â*Â*It literally eats away at your body and is the most addictive drug there is.Â*Â*An alarming 93% of meth users who come clean eventually get re-addicted.Â*Â*It gives you a high 4 times that of cocaine and makes you hallucinate.

But everytime I see an ad about drugs (keep in mind I live in Florida) its about marijuana.Â*Â*I realize meth is not nearly as bad a problem as it is in the midwest.Â*Â*Out there (and many other parts of the country) it is one of the most serious epidemics this country has seen.Â*Â*Meth accounts for up to 90% of all drug cases in many Midwest communities.

Unlike those of Chess, these are real facts.Â*Â*We need to focus on the drugs that do the most harm in this country like meth, heroine and cocaine (although blow is a fun drug from time to time :P).

In short, marijuana is not this menace to society people will lead you to believe.Â*Â*I was going to post a link to NORML but I didn't know the owner's policy of that and I want to be respectful.Â*Â*You can, however, google it.Â*Â*Many good facts there.

And for what it's worth, I spend a lot of my time during the week at clinics, hospitals and rehab centers helping meth users quit and stay clean. It's something I am extremely passionate about.

lily
12-25-2006, 04:02 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But I am a authority of Potheads.
2. Most the Potheads I ever knew are still living in a time warp 1960's reality.
3. And are also drunks on the most part.
4. They hunger for another puff of Pot, while they complain about the Government.
5. They never voted, and they still live at home, if there Mommas will let them.
6. Otherwise they live with other Potheads.
7. They never paid any Social Security Taxes, because they always worked construction jobs that never with held taxes.
8. They never paid any tax whatsoever, unless they paid it when they bought something, in the form of sales tax.
9. They never married, but when some did, it was a disaster, they were terrible parents, neglected their wives, and same goes for their children.
10. They murdered people and threatened to murder their own brothers, and family members.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess.......this truly is one of your masterpieces!!!!!:D

askates
12-26-2006, 12:31 AM
sorry chess , i do not know many pothead murderers, maybe aggressive hug givers

NortheastCynic
12-27-2006, 03:05 AM
The so called "War on Drugs" is itself, illegal. The federal gov't is given no authority to regulate what goes into its citzen's bodies, period.

-NC

CheesyMuslim
12-27-2006, 01:17 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But Potheads are a detriment to society in general.
2. What good does a Pothead do?
3. Is there a Potheads charity?
4. Potheads against drunk drivers?
5. How bout, Potheads for fair government?
6. Nope, nothing good comes from being a Pothead.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Nitrus
12-27-2006, 01:41 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But Potheads are a detriment to society in general.
2. What good does a Pothead do?
3. Is there a Potheads charity?
4. Potheads against drunk drivers?
5. How bout, Potheads for fair government?
6. Nope, nothing good comes from being a Pothead.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


'Cept the pretty colours.......

NortheastCynic
12-27-2006, 03:58 PM
Chess, you've just ignored my argument. I'm saying that the War on Drugs is ILLEGAL, it is unConstitutionaly. Whether or not potheads contribute to society is irrelevant, that is not the standard for laws in this country. Gerbils don't contribute to society, you can keep them in your home, so you're "they don't contribute to society" argument doesn't hold water. The War on Drugs is illegal, show me any part of the Constitution that gives the gov't power to regulate what goes into a citizens body and I'll concede that point.

-NC

micfranklin
12-27-2006, 04:45 PM
Marijuana should be legalized because the government has no right (or should have no right) to tell us what we can and can't put in our bodies. Matter of fact, the War on Drugs needs to be axed.

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-27-2006, 11:29 PM
I had an opinion on this, but then I took a great big ol bong hit and forgot what it was!

CheesyMuslim
12-28-2006, 12:00 AM
Sorry bout that,

1. Poll the Potheads in DF.
2. Ask some basic questions.
3. Like where do you live?
4. What kind of job do you have?
5. Is Momma still doing your laundry?
6. What kinda of decorations do you like around the house?
7. Have you ever voted, and are you a Liberal?
8. Do you live with friends?
9. Are you vested in the Social Security Plan?
10. Are you a tax payer?
11. Are you happily married, and does your child get the things he needs?
12. Do you drink much beer, wine or strong liquor.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-28-2006, 12:03 AM
Dude! Pass the 420 and stop confusing me!

Got any twinkies?

micfranklin
12-28-2006, 01:17 AM
Marijuana isn't necessarily a harmful drug, either.

Stoner
12-28-2006, 01:38 AM
Well, I smoke about an 1/8 of an ounce a day. I am 31 and pretty healthy. Been smoking 17 years.

Smoking longterm is really not harmful, studies indicate.

lily
12-28-2006, 01:47 AM
1. Poll the Potheads in DF.
2. Ask some basic questions.

Okey Dokey, I'm game

3. Like where do you live?

In my fully paid for house.

4. What kind of job do you have?

I'm retired

5. Is Momma still doing your laundry?

I'm the momma.......so I guess so!

6. What kinda of decorations do you like around the house?

At the moment, Christmas.

7. Have you ever voted, and are you a Liberal?

Yes and Yes.

8. Do you live with friends?

My husband is my best friend, does that count?

9. Are you vested in the Social Security Plan?

Yes

10. Are you a tax payer?

Yes

11. Are you happily married, and does your child get the things he needs?

35 years to the same man. Yes, my children can afford to get the things they need........but my main objective now is getting my grandkids every thing they want.

12. Do you drink much beer, wine or strong liquor.

Are you kidding me? That shit will destroy your liver.





Did you get this test out of Cosmo???

CheesyMuslim
12-28-2006, 01:47 AM
Sorry bout that,

1. But answer my 10 question on post 21 Stoner, if you want to.
2. I would be interested how your answer reflect my statements?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-28-2006, 01:48 AM
Lung cancer didn't kill my granddad until he was 73

Elrathin
12-28-2006, 02:19 AM
Lung cancer didn't kill my granddad until he was 73



And cigarrettes are legal to buy, so why shouldn't pot?

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-28-2006, 02:21 AM
Lung cancer didn't kill my granddad until he was 73



And cigarrettes are legal to buy, so why shouldn't pot?


Why should pot be legal? It's a drug that harms society.

micfranklin
12-28-2006, 02:27 AM
Lung cancer didn't kill my granddad until he was 73



And cigarrettes are legal to buy, so why shouldn't pot?


Why should pot be legal? It's a drug that harms society.


A lot of drugs harm society, for one. Plus, people will smoke weed whether its legal or not, and a whole lot of our money is wasted on this War on Drugs, which has done little to get rid of these drugs.

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-28-2006, 02:31 AM
A lot of drugs harm society, for one.


A lot of drugs should be illegal


Plus, people will smoke weed whether its legal or not,


People will rape preteen girls whether its legal or not, not a good argument to making raping preteen girls legal, is it?


money is wasted on this War on Drugs, which has done little to get rid of these drugs.


money has been wasted on that war on rapists, which has done little to stop rape.

micfranklin
12-28-2006, 02:37 AM
A lot of drugs harm society, for one.


A lot of drugs should be illegal


Plus, people will smoke weed whether its legal or not,


People will rape preteen girls whether its legal or not, not a good argument to making raping preteen girls legal, is it?


money is wasted on this War on Drugs, which has done little to get rid of these drugs.


money has been wasted on that war on rapists, which has done little to stop rape.


I have a question: why should those drugs stay illegal?

Most people consider rape a true crime, and when someone is raped they are being attacked on purpose and the police have a duty to stop that person from being raped. Drug use, on the other hand, you're only putting substances into your body, and that is something the police and government should have no say over.

War on rapists? Rape has always been a crime, the way I remember it. Second of all, remember the Prohibiton era of the 20's? Liquor was illegal for some time, and one thing you could learn from that is that when something is illegalized, then there will be more demand for it than before.

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-28-2006, 02:55 AM
Actually prohibition was a marked success, it should be brought back. It would save a lot of innocent people just like the war on drugs does.

micfranklin
12-28-2006, 03:20 AM
Actually prohibition was a marked success, it should be brought back. It would save a lot of innocent people just like the war on drugs does.


Actually, a lot of crime sprouts from there being a War on Drugs, just as there did on Prohibition.

Stoner
12-28-2006, 12:15 PM
Ok, here's your answers.


1. Poll the Potheads in DF.



2. Ask some basic questions.



3. Like where do you live?

Florida.

4. What kind of job do you have?

Run my own business.

5. Is Momma still doing your laundry?

No.

6. What kinda of decorations do you like around the house?

Pictures, plants, wicker baskets, small ornaments, etc...

7. Have you ever voted, and are you a Liberal?

Yes and no.

8. Do you live with friends?

No.

9. Are you vested in the Social Security Plan?

Yes.

10. Are you a tax payer?

Yes.

11. Are you happily married, and does your child get the things he needs?

Not married and no kids.

12. Do you drink much beer, wine or strong liquor.

I drink moderately.

Hope that clears everything up for you.

Danoz
12-28-2006, 01:24 PM
You just have to visit a psychiatric ward to see what pot can do to SOME people. It's a drug that can effect one person in mostly positive ways (myself for one), but in drastically negative ways for others. The wierd thing is that MDMA (ecstasy) is classed as a schedual A drug, whist pot is schedual C. I have taken allot of drugs in my life, and I can tell you ecstasy is easily the softest out of the lot of them, including alchohol. Unlike most other drugs, I think I've actually gotten allot out of taking E, especially when I've been responsible about it, and hung around friends - who I ended up sharing things I had needed to for years and years, but never had the courage to speak up. I'd reccomend it to anybody - it's an emotionally liberating experience.

This being the case, I can only shake my head when the government puts it in the same category as crystal meth and heroin. On the other hand, I'd class pot as a schedule A drug if I were going to put it anywhere on the list.

Why does the law come down so hard on drug users though? It's like they have a problem with us hurting ourselves. We're not childeren, we all know what drugs and alchohol can do to you you're stupid about it. Make up your own morals, but leave us be to do what we want and stop interfering with our personal lives!

NortheastCynic
12-28-2006, 02:58 PM
It's unbelievable just how many people will ignore a legal argument. I don't care if pot is bad for you, I don't care if it can kill you, it's nothing like other crimes like rape and murder...It is illegal for the federal government to regulate drug consumption...ILLEGAL. Capice?

-NC

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-28-2006, 04:25 PM
It is illegal for the federal government to regulate drug consumption...


No it's not, what a silly claim to make.[hr]

Actually prohibition was a marked success, it should be brought back. It would save a lot of innocent people just like the war on drugs does.


Actually, a lot of crime sprouts from there being a War on Drugs, just as there did on Prohibition.


And if they legalized robbery, murder, rape, etc... crime rates would plummet!

Please dont double post. use the "Edit" button.

NortheastCynic
12-28-2006, 09:27 PM
No it's not, what a silly claim to make.Fleabit, it's really easy to say, "no it's not" or "that's silly"...How bout you prove it? Earlier, I challenged anyone to show me a part of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government the authority to regulate drug use...No one has, can you? Or would you rather dismiss a legal argument with a "that's silly"?

-NC

underdawg
12-28-2006, 09:33 PM
Almost everything in life can be bad for you. Drugs, paint thinner cleaning materials, power tools, bicycles, cars, excess food, etc. I do not like the direction the country is going trying to protect us from ourselves. It is not their right or their job to determine for us what we can and can not do to ourselves. Especially what we want to do to our own bodies.

In a "free society" we should be able to buy or sell anything as long as it is not used to do harm to others.

People should be allowed to freely grow marijuana and sell it in drug and convienience stores across the country.

micfranklin
12-28-2006, 09:41 PM
I also wonder if there was a law regulating drug use in the U.S. back during the Revolution?

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-28-2006, 10:13 PM
I challenged anyone to show me a part of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government the authority to regulate drug use


It's called the interstate commerce clause, and it has passed SCOTUS muster, most recently in Raich v. Ashcroft.

Of course if you feel that in error, you are free to appeal any conviction under the Controlled Substances Act to the SCOTUS. Good luck!

Danoz
12-29-2006, 01:14 AM
Is there a good reason why alchohol and tobacco is still legal?

underdawg
12-29-2006, 01:23 AM
It makes lots of money for the government.

NortheastCynic
12-29-2006, 03:35 AM
Explain to me how growing marijuana in your backyard and consuming constitutes commerce.Â*Â*While you're at it, explain to me how growing marijuana in your backyard and consuming it consitutes "interstate"?Â*Â*I could care less what the SCOTUS decision du jour is on the issue, they themselves have done an atrocious job upholding the law of the land [see the latest New London emminent domain ruling].Â*Â*Bottom line: if the Founding Fathers [many of whom were drug users] wanted to give the gov't the authority to do something as intrusive as to regulate drug use, they would have specifically mentioned it in the Constitution.Â*Â*If the gov't can regulate pot by way of the interstate commerce clause then it stands to reason that the Feds can also legally tell you that you cannot eat bacon.Â*Â*Same concept.Â*
You're telling me FleaBit, that this:"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."gives the Federal gov't power to ban marijuana...I don't buy it. Smoking pot that you bought from your dealer downtown is not commerce "among the several States".

-NC

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-29-2006, 03:39 AM
I could care less what the SCOTUS decision du jour is on the issue


You don't need to care, the fact is it is law that has been upheld by the SCOTUS as being in line with the constitution. If you want to know the arguments read the case, but saying the law is unconstitutional is meaningless, the supreme courts opinion is the one that counts.

NortheastCynic
12-29-2006, 03:42 AM
I've heard this time and time again.Â*Â*I know what the Supreme Courts says, what I'm saying is that they are wrong.Â*Â*Debate my argument, don't keep telling me what the SCOTUS said, I'm aware of that.Â*Â*What do YOU, FleaBitMonkey, believe is granted to the Federal Government that authorizes it to regulate drug use? In addition, Raich v. Ashcroft was a decision about MEDICINAL marijuana, not recreational pot.

-NC

underdawg
12-29-2006, 03:45 AM
If marijuana is by far the single biggest money making crop in the United States and if all the people who smoked pot or supported hemp products were to all join together and pester their congressmen daily, perhaps there might be some change in the legal status concerning marijuana.

NortheastCynic
12-29-2006, 03:46 AM
One last question FleaBit. If the Commerce Clause can be legallly used to prohibit pot-smoking...why was a Constitutional amendment necessary to enact federal prohibition of alcohol?

-NC

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-29-2006, 03:49 AM
I've heard this time and time again. I know what the Supreme Courts says, what I'm saying is that they are wrong. Debate my argument, don't keep telling me what the SCOTUS said, I'm aware of that. What do YOU, FleaBitMonkey, believe is granted to the Federal Government that authorizes it to regulate drug use? In addition, Raich v. Ashcroft was a decision about MEDICINAL marijuana, not recreational pot.

-NC



It doesn't matter what I think. Arguments were made by both sides, both sides had valid arguments, both sides thought the other was wrong, and now it is settled.

NortheastCynic
12-29-2006, 03:51 AM
Give me a break FleaBit. "It doesn't matter what I think"? Are you serious? This is a debate website and I'm asking you what you think. I'm not debating the SCOTUS, I'm debating you. Just because the law is settled does NOT mean it should be and it certainly doesn't mean the SCOTUS was right. That's the point I'm making, are you going to counter it, or continue to use the SCOTUS as a proxy?

-NC

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-29-2006, 03:54 AM
One last question FleaBit. If the Commerce Clause can be legallly used to prohibit pot-smoking...why was a Constitutional amendment necessary to enact federal prohibition of alcohol?

-NC


It wasn't technically necessary, however prohibition was a popular movement, the Anti-Saloon League pushed it through as an amendment because that is the way a populist civilian movement would have open to them. Federal legislation coming from congress itself is more likely to use statutes.

NortheastCynic
12-29-2006, 03:57 AM
Whoa whoa whoa. It wasn't technically necessary? Hold on now, is that you questioning settled law? Good! So now we can question the SCOTUS' decision and marijuana's constitutionality as well. So I'll ask again, what part of growing pot in your backyard and smoking it constitutes interstate commerce?

-NC

micfranklin
12-30-2006, 12:45 AM
Marijuana should be legalized because making it illegal eventually settles down to making freedom a nonexistent concept.

Stoner
12-30-2006, 10:22 PM
If marijuana is by far the single biggest money making crop in the United States

Actually it's not. It's the 4th largest cash crop in the US.

underdawg
12-30-2006, 11:02 PM
I just heard on the news recently that it was #1. But even if it is #4, that is a pretty big crop.

micfranklin
12-30-2006, 11:46 PM
And it's not really that dangerous of a crop either.

underdawg
12-30-2006, 11:59 PM
Marijuana is quite a versitile plant. In the 1800s it used to be a major crop in Kentucky. It was used to make ropes. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-31-2006, 12:49 AM
Marijuana does a great deal of societal harm. Just the youtube video's of stoned teens alone is something we don't want to see increase.

Elrathin
12-31-2006, 12:57 AM
Marijuana does a great deal of societal harm. Just the youtube video's of stoned teens alone is something we don't want to see increase.


There are ones with drunk people too. Yet alcohol is legal.

Buck Laser
12-31-2006, 01:16 AM
Marijuana is quite a versitile plant. In the 1800s it used to be a major crop in Kentucky. It was used to make ropes. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.


It was also grown extensively in NW Illinois. I was told that production began about 1900, to provide rope for the navy. My son and I did an extensive bicycle tour of that area in 1981, and we saw wild hemp growing profusely along the roadsides, in bar ditches, and in fallow fields. The region ran from Sterling IL to Muscatine IA, down to Hannibal, MO, and back north to DeKalb. A few years later it was mostly gone because the state decided that it should be eradicated. I am not a connoisseur of marijuana, but my son assured me that it wasn't very good as recreational weed.

On another point, I read somewhere recently that pot is the number 1 cash crop in the USA. If it were legalized, we could tax it.

micfranklin
12-31-2006, 04:14 AM
Marijuana does a great deal of societal harm. Just the youtube video's of stoned teens alone is something we don't want to see increase.


I don't think its right to base everything about marijuana in society off of a few youtube videos.

Flea_Bit_Monkey
12-31-2006, 04:26 AM
Marijuana does a great deal of societal harm. Just the youtube video's of stoned teens alone is something we don't want to see increase.


I don't think its right to base everything about marijuana in society off of a few youtube videos.


True, but they are only the tip of the iceberg. Pot makes people stupid, and we don't need more democrats.

micfranklin
12-31-2006, 02:29 PM
Marijuana does a great deal of societal harm. Just the youtube video's of stoned teens alone is something we don't want to see increase.


I don't think its right to base everything about marijuana in society off of a few youtube videos.


True, but they are only the tip of the iceberg. Pot makes people stupid, and we don't need more democrats.


And drinking tons of alcohol doesn't make you stupid?

As I said earlier, the government does not and should not have the right to tell people what they can and cannot put in their bodies.

NortheastCynic
12-31-2006, 11:11 PM
All of this "pot is bad for society" jazz is irrelevant for the reasons I have stated [the illegality of banning pot] and for the reason MicFranklin has stated [the gov't has no business telling me what to put in my body]. Pot may not be a "good thing" to most people but the government's job is not to enforce what most people feel is a "good thing", that would be the tyranny of the majority that the Founder's worried about. The government's job IS however to maximize freedom for all, if people think pot is "bad", then they are free not to do it, for those who think it is "good", they can do it...It's that simple.

-NC

Danoz
01-02-2007, 03:35 AM
Many of the people against MJ are against homosexuals too. Similar mindset.

firefox
01-04-2007, 09:47 AM
Hey I just had some. It was free. I don't care about it enough to waste my hard earned "money" (aka fiat currency most of the time) on it, but I have a smoke from time to time in a social context.

Stoner
01-04-2007, 12:10 PM
Hey I just had some. It was free. I don't care about it enough to waste my hard earned "money"

Ah, you're one of those people.

micfranklin
01-04-2007, 05:17 PM
We tried alcohol Prohibition in the 1920s. Guess what happened? It was a failure.

slappy
01-05-2007, 07:49 PM
I could see an argument for criminalizing drug use if it presented a real danger to the rest of society, but what on earth justifies making a criminal out of a guy who wants to sit in his basement, light up a doobie and listen to "The Dark Side of the Moon"? Is he causing his neighbours any more trouble than the guy with a drink in his hand watching a football game? Or the woman next to him wolfing down her sixth straight Krispy Kreme?

The criminalization of drugs strikes me as nothing more or less than legislating morality...and very private morality at that. And I just don't get why anyone sees this sort of meddling as a net plus for society. If stoners were a loud, obnoxious, truculent lot, I might see an argument for criminalizing pot along with booze and maybe Pro Wrestling. Absent that sort of argument, I'm really at a loss.

Stoner
01-06-2007, 06:59 AM
Pot makes people stupid


Actually that's not true. At least there hasn't been any scientific proof that it does.

The whole, "weed kills your braincells" is a myth.

potter
01-20-2007, 05:09 AM
As you all know I really like weedÂ*Â*http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

But on a serious note, do you feel marijuana should be legal?

I am a big advocate of NORML. I have always strongly believed herb should be legal. It is far less dangerous than alcohol and cigarettes. I never could understand why it's illegal.

Two questions.

1. Should it be legal?

2. Do you think it will one day?


1- yes

2 - That would be the smart thing to do.

J316
02-17-2007, 04:17 PM
The problem is what you do toother people while your high, or whatever they call it. murder, assault, and others most likely happens when your on these drugs.

Stoner
02-17-2007, 05:49 PM
The problem is what you do toother people while your high, or whatever they call it. murder, assault, and others most likely happens when your on these drugs.


Obviously you've never smoked herb.Â*Â*Your statement is true among other drugs and even alcohol but definitly not chronic.Â*Â*

The only thing that is in danger when you're baked is your fridge.