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Professor
12-21-2006, 01:45 PM
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061220/ap_en_ot/russia_stolen_painting

$1M French painting turned in in Russia

A painting turned over to Communist Party officials Wednesday is believed to be 19th century French work stolen from Russia's famed State Hermitage Museum five years ago, officials said.

Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov said a man whom he did not identify brought a nondescript package into the party's parliamentary offices. Inside, party officials found a painting that had been cut into four pieces.

Officials later realized it was the painting "Piscine du Harem" by French artist Jean Leon Gerome, which was stolen from the Hermitage in March 2001. The painting was valued at some $1 million.

Viktor Petrakov, an official with Russia's federal culture agency, said in televised comments that an art expert had confirmed that the painting was genuine.

The renowned St. Petersburg museum — housed in what was once the Winter Palace for the Russian imperial family — has been hit by a series of embarrassing art thefts.

This summer, museum officials discovered that 221 items valued at more than $5 million had been stolen in the past six years, prompting wide criticism and exposing the lack of security at Russian cultural institutions, plagued by chronic money woes since state funding dried up after the 1991 Soviet collapse.

An unknown number of the items have since be recovered by authorities.

The Hermitage, which was started by Catherine the Great in 1764, holds vast holdings of antiquities, decorative art and Western art include world-renowned collections of Italian Renaissance, 17th and 18th century Dutch and Flemish, and impressionist paintings.

lily
12-21-2006, 02:42 PM
I know that art restores can do amazing things......but why did they have to cut it into 4 pieces? What a shame.

Totally off topic, but when we first got our computer, long before I discovered political forums I would spend hours "visiting" all the museum I could think of.

Professor
12-21-2006, 08:54 PM
I know that art restores can do amazing things......but why did they have to cut it into 4 pieces? What a shame.


Maybe they thought it would be worth more, if one painting was worth $1M then for peices of it would be $4M!

Actually, I think it had more to do with censorship than anything else. Communist thought is still rampant in Russia.

Cameron Mineral
12-22-2006, 01:38 AM
One fails to see why anyone would have wanted to steal anything by such a bad painter as Gerome; and why the Hermitage took the painting back.

lily
12-22-2006, 04:54 PM
You're joking, right?

Cameron Mineral
12-22-2006, 09:27 PM
No, I'm not.

lily
12-23-2006, 01:29 AM
Why do you consider him to be a bad painter?

Cameron Mineral
12-23-2006, 04:26 AM
It's never easy, explaining in words, why one believes one painter is better than an another. And even in a museum, there will always be people who prefer Gerome and Bougereau, to Monet or Sisley. Gerome was the type of the Academist (the french also refer to them as "pompiers," possibly as in "pompous") -- painters or so-called painters who were thought in school how to imitate previous painters and led to believe that (doing as other painters do), is how great art is done: and Gerome gave us bizzare mixes of romanticism and realism -- romantic, in the sense of choosing oriental subject matter when it had ceased being original to do so (as it still was with Delacroix; and realist, in that he aimed at photographic reproduction of reality, a trend that had been started by another academist, Daguerre, but that somehow did not allow for individual personality as all these paintings tend to look alike.
Personality and originality are another standard one can apply. Take the impressionists -- Monet, Renoir, Sisley, Pizzaro. All of them agreed on certain core principles -- painting from nature instead of in the studio. Yet none of these painters look alike, so strong, so distinctive their personalities were. On the other hand, look at catalogs of exhibits of official painters during the IIIrd Republic of France: it is truly baffling, hundreds of paintings, by hundreds of painters, all of which look alike: they look at other paintings, instead of looking at life. And always the same historical and/or oriental subject matter; always the same false hyper-realism (false as in someone's idea of reality, instead of the ever subjective reality actually observed by people); and also (oddly, since these people were considered guardians of morality), always the same unpleasant obsenity (lots of graphic description of nude children, more or less disguised as cherubs, probably in imitation of baroque and roccoco painting): the great painters, when they do nudes, can be crude (as when Courbet or more recently Paolo Vallorz, will do close-ups of cunts); but they are never obscene or disagreeable.

lily
12-23-2006, 02:51 PM
It's never easy, explaining in words, why one believes one painter is better than an another.

You are right there. Art truly is subjective. It's also interesting that you mentioned that you disliked the painters who for lack of a better word, copied others. I'm fascinatedÂ*Â*by the Artemisia story and art. Did she paint them, did her father, her lover/rapist? The style is so alike that the debate lives on.

From your post I take it that your taste is for the impressionists. In my eye I can't tell one from another. While I would recognize a Van Gogh, if you put a Renoir or Monet in front of me, I'd be hard pressed to tell which was which.

I will also have to admit that I never heard of Gerome before this article I do have to thank Professor for posting this article, otherwise I wouldn't have seen the beauty of Pygmallion, or had this interesting discussion with you.


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Labrocca
12-23-2006, 11:36 PM
Nice thread guys. It was a good read.