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ECW
12-19-2006, 02:14 PM
One night in mid-April, the steel door clanked shut on detainee No. 200343 at Camp Cropper, the United States military’s maximum-security detention site in Baghdad.

American guards arrived at the man’s cell periodically over the next several days, shackled his hands and feet, blindfolded him and took him to a padded room for interrogation, the detainee said. After an hour or two, he was returned to his cell, fatigued but unable to sleep.

The fluorescent lights in his cell were never turned off, he said. At most hours, heavy metal or country music blared in the corridor. He said he was rousted at random times without explanation and made to stand in his cell. Even lying down, he said, he was kept from covering his face to block out the light, noise and cold. And when he was released after 97 days he was exhausted, depressed and scared.

Detainee 200343 was among thousands of people who have been held and released by the American military in Iraq, and his account of his ordeal has provided one of the few detailed views of the Pentagon’s detention operations since the abuse scandals at Abu Ghraib. Yet in many respects his case is unusual.

The detainee was Donald Vance, a 29-year-old Navy veteran from Chicago who went to Iraq as a security contractor. He wound up as a whistle-blower, passing information to the F.B.I. about suspicious activities at the Iraqi security firm where he worked, including what he said was possible illegal weapons trading.

But when American soldiers raided the company at his urging, Mr. Vance and another American who worked there were detained as suspects by the military, which was unaware that Mr. Vance was an informer, according to officials and military documents.

At Camp Cropper, he took notes on his imprisonment and smuggled them out in a Bible.

“Sick, very. Vomited,” he wrote July 3. The next day: “Told no more phone calls til leave.”

Nathan Ertel, the American held with Mr. Vance, brought away military records that shed further light on the detention camp and its secretive tribunals. Those records include a legal memorandum explicitly denying detainees the right to a lawyer at detention hearings to determine whether they should be released or held indefinitely, perhaps for prosecution.

The story told through those records and interviews illuminates the haphazard system of detention and prosecution that has evolved in Iraq, where detainees are often held for long periods without charges or legal representation, and where the authorities struggle to sort through the endless stream of detainees to identify those who pose real threats.

“Even Saddam Hussein had more legal counsel than I ever had,” said Mr. Vance, who said he planned to sue the former defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld, on grounds that his constitutional rights had been violated. “While we were detained, we wrote a letter to the camp commandant stating that the same democratic ideals we are trying to instill in the fledgling democratic country of Iraq, from simple due process to the Magna Carta, we are absolutely, positively refusing to follow ourselves.”

A spokeswoman for the Pentagon’s detention operations in Iraq, First Lt. Lea Ann Fracasso, said in written answers to questions that the men had been “treated fair and humanely,” and that there was no record of either man complaining about their treatment.

Well, of course there is no record of their complaints. The shredder in the commander's office took care of that.

Freedom: the first casualty in Chimpy's War On Terror.
Truth: the second casualty in Chimpy's War On Terror.
America's Reputation Home & Abroad: the final casualty in Chimpy's War On Terror.

The Story (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/world/middleeast/18justice.html?em&ex=1166677200&en=6e0bc0a2c4ca1ce4&ei=5087%0A)

lily
12-20-2006, 02:26 AM
One would think that after Rumsfailed said that Abu Ghraib was his biggest embarassment, things would have cleaned up.

Drocket
12-20-2006, 04:48 AM
One would think that after Rumsfailed said that Abu Ghraib was his biggest embarassment, things would have cleaned up.

They banned cameras and stopped keeping records: as far as the Bush administration is concerned, that IS cleaned up. If you can't prove it happened, it didn't happen.

firefox
12-20-2006, 07:11 AM
Reminds me of that quote from 1984. I can't remember the exact words (dududun!), but it goes something like this:

He who controls the past controls the present
He who controls the present controls the past
He who controls the present controls the future

And now the Rage Against The Machine version (from Testify):

Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now controls the past
Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now?

Now testify!

This may sound stupid, but save your favorite books. You never know when they might go out of print.

Drocket
12-20-2006, 09:08 AM
He who controls the Spice controls the univ...

Wait, that's a different book. Its:

He who controls the past controls the future.
He who controls the present controls the past.

ECW
12-20-2006, 01:18 PM
And he that counts the votes controls it all.

The point is that when this can happen to an American citizen who is a whistleblower in an administration that will not tolerate dissent of any kind then we are all in danger.

Professor
12-20-2006, 01:54 PM
“Even Saddam Hussein had more legal counsel than I ever had,” said Mr. Vance, who said he planned to sue the former defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld, on grounds that his constitutional rights had been violated. “While we were detained, we wrote a letter to the camp commandant stating that the same democratic ideals we are trying to instill in the fledgling democratic country of Iraq, from simple due process to the Magna Carta, we are absolutely, positively refusing to follow ourselves.”

A spokeswoman for the Pentagon’s detention operations in Iraq, First Lt. Lea Ann Fracasso, said in written answers to questions that the men had been “treated fair and humanely,” and that there was no record of either man complaining about their treatment.

I do hope he sues, but if he can't or doesn't then I hope something even better happens. I hope that Donald Rummsfield and the guards get embaressed, because every person will know what they did. I am talking press off the roof, movies, and such.