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lily
12-13-2006, 02:06 AM
I've been saying this for three years! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/11/AR2006121101318.html?referrer=email)

To Stem Iraqi Violence, U.S. Aims to Create Jobs

By Josh White and Griff Witte
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, December 12, 2006; Page A01

As Iraq descends further into violence and disarray, the Pentagon is turning
to a weapon some believe should have been used years ago: jobs.

Members of a small Pentagon task force have gone to the most dangerous areas
of Iraq over the past six months to bring life to nearly 200 state-owned
factories abandoned by the Coalition Provisional Authority after the
U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Their goal is to employ tens of thousands of
Iraqis in coming months, part of a plan to reduce soaring unemployment and
lessen the violence that has crippled progress.


Defense officials and military commanders say that festering unemployment --
at 70 percent in some areas -- is leading Iraqi men to take cash from
insurgents to place bombs on roads or take shots at U.S. troops. Other
Iraqis are joining sectarian attacks because their quality of life has
slipped dramatically, officials say.

Army Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the top U.S. field commander in Iraq, said
that tackling unemployment could do far more good than adding U.S. combat
troops or more aggressively pursuing an elusive enemy. He said the project
to open the factories and stimulate local economies is long overdue and was
born "of desperation."

"We need to put the angry young men to work," Chiarelli said in a phone
interview from Baghdad. "One of the key hindrances to us establishing
stability in Iraq is the failure to get the economy going. A relatively
small decrease in unemployment would have a very serious effect on the level
of sectarian killing going on."

The CPA initially hoped private investors would buy or lease the state
factories, but that did not happen as security faltered and much of Iraq
became inaccessible. As privatization hopes failed, the factories
languished; some were in pristine form and others had been looted when the
Pentagon task force examined them this fall. The tens of thousands of Iraqis
who used to make them run -- the country's second-largest employment group,
after the army -- remained out of work.

Pentagon officials say the vast majority of former Iraqi factory workers are
still unemployed and are bringing in no pay. A small portion of the
workforce receives government stipends, akin to welfare, but the pay system
is badly flawed and provides about 20 percent of what the workers would make
if fully employed, the officials said.

Economic development is a departure from the military's usual missions, but
officials think the Defense Department's heft as a consumer of goods and
services can boost the effort. The department has been reaching out to U.S.
companies that can place large orders for products from Iraq.

Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England set the task force in motion in June
after Paul A. Brinkley, deputy undersecretary of defense, returned from a
visit to Iraq the month before.

Brinkley, who returned last night from a trip to Iraq with his team, said
thousands of Iraqis lost their jobs and the ability to support their
families when CPA projections dimmed. Unrest followed the absence of work.

"After three years of unemployment in excess of 50 percent, there are no
people in the world that wouldn't be undergoing violence and militias,"
Brinkley said. "That's human nature. And I think we have to do whatever we
have to do to alleviate that problem if we are going to create stability."

So far, members of the task force have visited 26 factories in some of the
worst areas of the country, traveling to Baghdad, Fallujah, Mosul, Najaf and
Ramadi to inspect facilities that make cement, tile, rubber and textiles.
They have identified 10 factories -- their "hot list" of facilities in both
Sunni and Shiite areas -- that they think could be open and employing more
than 11,000 Iraqis within the next month.

Elrathin
12-13-2006, 02:14 AM
[quote=lily]
I've been saying this for three years! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/11/AR2006121101318.html?referrer=email)

So have we all Lily.

bobbylien
12-13-2006, 02:32 AM
A lack of jobs always contributes to violence, gangs and other problems. I agree this should be a big focus of the U.S. effort.

lily
12-13-2006, 02:36 AM
As I said before, when the insurgency is the only one hiring and you have to put food on the table, you're going to take any job you can get. Also how can you have pride in your country, when you're not working to make it better?

ECW
12-13-2006, 05:05 AM
Jobs will stop the insurgency like shopping will support the post 9/11 economy.

More BS from the nimrods who gave us WMDs in Iraq, Oil will pay for the war, and we will be welcomed as liberators in Iraq.

This is a civil war between the majority Shia and the minority Sunni. We are arming the Shia in the army and police force who conduct death squads and the Sunni are responding with terrorist attacks. Somebody email the White House and tell Chimpy that we are in the middle of a civil war there and the sooner we get the hell out the sooner we will stop losing our troops to the senseless killing. Jobs will end the war.
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Waffletush
12-13-2006, 06:13 PM
As I said before, when the insurgency is the only one hiring and you have to put food on the table, you're going to take any job you can get. Also how can you have pride in your country, when you're not working to make it better?


Tell that to the hundreds, if not thousands, who have been waiting in line for jobs when a suicide bomber decided it was better to blow them up.

Drocket
12-13-2006, 08:11 PM
Working to create jobs in Iraq probably would have gone a long ways towards preventing the insurgency in Iraq. At this point, though, its pretty much a bandaid on a gushing arterial flow.

lily
12-14-2006, 12:24 AM
Jobs will stop the insurgency like shopping will support the post 9/11 economy.


While I don't think it will stop the insurgency, ECW I think it might slow it down. As with most riots, gangs ect. it's fed by the idle.

lily
12-14-2006, 12:27 AM
Tell that to the hundreds, if not thousands, who have been waiting in line for jobs when a suicide bomber decided it was better to blow them up.


Odd.......I haven't heard of hundreds and thousands being killed waiting in line for factory jobs. I've heard of hundreds being killed while waiting to sign up for police or the army........something that would stop the insurgency all together.......as for thousands.....that would mean that this administration would have to tell the truth about how many dead.......and we know they aren't going to do that willingly, Waffeltush.

Waffletush
12-14-2006, 01:19 AM
Tell that to the hundreds, if not thousands, who have been waiting in line for jobs when a suicide bomber decided it was better to blow them up.


Odd.......I haven't heard of hundreds and thousands being killed waiting in line for factory jobs. I've heard of hundreds being killed while waiting to sign up for police or the army........something that would stop the insurgency all together.......as for thousands.....that would mean that this administration would have to tell the truth about how many dead.......and we know they aren't going to do that willingly, Waffeltush.


Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize 'getting jobs' and 'taking pride in your country' only meant factory jobs. My bad. :rolleyes:

lily
12-14-2006, 01:36 AM
Waffel..........we've been through this discussion many times. You know exactly what I ment.

Waffletush
12-14-2006, 01:50 PM
Waffel..........we've been through this discussion many times. You know exactly what I ment.

Whatever lily.Â*Â*You said people are flocking to the insurgency becasue they are the only ones hiring.Â*Â*You said people needs jobs to be able to work and take pride in their country.

I provided an example of people getting jobs, and how the insurgency is killing them for it.

You spun it all around and blamed Bush's administration.

Respond if you must, but I am not going to waste any more time 'discussing' a topic with someone who breaks out the horse blinders anytime an example is given that is contrary to their point of view.

lily
12-15-2006, 02:08 AM
Waffletush

Whatever lily.Â*Â*You said people are flocking to the insurgency becasue they are the only ones hiring.Â*Â*You said people needs jobs to be able to work and take pride in their country.

I provided an example of people getting jobs, and how the insurgency is killing them for it.

Waffeltush.....you provided an example of the only job that has been available to the Iraqi people for 3 years.

You spun it all around and blamed Bush's administration.

Yes......because the statment below would be me blaming Bush fo not having any other job for the Iraq's to do.:rolleyes:

as for thousands.....that would mean that this administration would have to tell the truth about how many dead.....


Respond if you must, but I am not going to waste any more time 'discussing' a topic with someone who breaks out the horse blinders anytime an example is given that is contrary to their point of view.

Right back atcha, my friend.