* Creating A Vestibule On Aircraft, With Trap Door ! *

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But to protect passengers on airplanes, I heard on another site, why not create a vestibule between two security doors, in all passenger air-crafts.
2. And have the second mate, control a monitor, and lever that springs a door under the vestibule, casting anyone who is in the vestibule out a tube, and hurling down to earth without a parachute.
3. This way we resolve the problem before it really becomes a real problem.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Nitrus]

Im not a plane person, even if this is not a plane term I have not heard of it, can you explain this "vestibule"? Cheers.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But a vestibule, is a series of doors, usually two doors, one before the other.
2. Which creates an area or space between the two.
3. This area is where the trap door would be located.
4. The second mate could be trained to use the trap door, if there's a problem, monitoring the space via video.
5. Also a system could be developed that could strain out any person other than the problem person, a stewardess, etc.
6. With a hook system.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Disenfranchised]

I don't understand the preoccupation with airlines passenger areas. If an airliner is used next time it will probably be in the cargo hold. There is a beg hole in security there.

But I don't think the next attack will come via airliner. It will probably come in across the Mexican border of through a sea port. It will be land based. Car bombs in shopping malls, supermarkets, clubs, apartment buildings, bridges. You name it. But airlines are closely watched, except for the cargo areas.

[BoogyMan]

I don't understand the preoccupation with airlines passenger areas.Â*Â*If an airliner is used next time it will probably be in the cargo hold.Â*Â*There is a beg hole in security there.

But I don't think the next attack will come via airliner.Â*Â*It will probably come in across the Mexican border of through a sea port.Â*Â*It will be land based.Â*Â*Car bombs in shopping malls, supermarkets, clubs, apartment buildings, bridges.Â*Â*You name it.Â*Â*But airlines are closely watched, except for the cargo areas.


I would have to agree with disenfranchised that if another attack comes it would be land based, and would most likely be done with materials smuggled across an open border.

[Buck Laser]

My guess is that the next attack would be on either food or energy supplies. Any of several forms of sabotage at major food distribution centers could have disastrous effects. And remember what discombobulation the power failure that originated near Cleveland in the summer of 2003 had all across the US.

I don't worry much about a cross-border attack. That issue has practically been flogged to death.

[BoogyMan]

My guess is that the next attack would be on either food or energy supplies.Â*Â*Any of several forms of sabotage at major food distribution centers could have disastrous effects.Â*Â*And remember what discombobulation the power failure that originated near Cleveland in the summer of 2003 had all across the US.

I don't worry much about a cross-border attack.Â*Â*That issue has practically been flogged to death.


It makes you wonder, especially when we see things like the current e-coli outbreaks.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no, we all know arabs have a thing about aircraft, a thing they have no real clue about.
2. They see a airplane, and see a way to deliver destruction.
3. Which is an arab thing.
4. That's why we need to take precautions.
5. Using this vestibule, is a keen idea, from CWN, one of the many.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

2. They see a airplane, and see a way to deliver destruction.


What was the first WTC bombing again? Oh yeah Explosives.
What was the attack in Jordan on the hotels? Oh yeah bombs in trucks.
What was the weapon used to attack MANY U.S. soldiers in Iraq? IEDs

Sounds like the terrorists MAIN WEAPON is explosives Chess. Sorry you lose again and prove through your comments that you know very little when it comes to Arabs and terrorists.

[Disenfranchised]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no, we all know arabs have a thing about aircraft, a thing they have no real clue about.
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I don't think you know very much about Arabs .

[Nitrus]

Chess, could you possibly try and be less prejudiced, it will help cure your closed mind.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But my mind is open.
2. That's why I can come up with these great CWN ideas.
3. When your mind is open like mind, then and only then, will you be able to post threads like, I The Great CWN.

Regards,
SIrJamesofTexas

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But a vestibule, is a series of doors, usually two doors, one before the other.
2. Which creates an area or space between the two.
3. This area is where the trap door would be located.
4. The second mate could be trained to use the trap door, if there's a problem, monitoring the space via video.
5. Also a system could be developed that could strain out any person other than the problem person, a stewardess, etc.
6. With a hook system.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this hook and vestibule thing Chess. As we read in the papers every day the Airlines are crying bankrupt. I honestly don't see them taking all airplanes down and either putting in this new vestibule thing or building new planes in with it.........when people can't sit in the area. It's wasted space and wasted space=no profit.

Now this hook thing just might work. Hook them and restrain them. I can also see it being abused if one of the passengers feels just a little bit funy about another passenger.[hr]Disenfranchised

I don't understand the preoccupation with airlines passenger areas. If an airliner is used next time it will probably be in the cargo hold. There is a beg hole in security there.

Totally agreed, especially when we read that uniforms have been stolen.

But I don't think the next attack will come via airliner. It will probably come in across the Mexican border of through a sea port.

Sorry........I see Canadian border.

Now for my "theory" of how a next attack will happen. Total computer shutdown.[hr]
Sorry bout that,

1. But my mind is open.
2. That's why I can come up with these great CWN ideas.
3. When your mind is open like mind, then and only then, will you be able to post threads like, I The Great CWN.

Regards,
SIrJamesofTexas


Chess........you do have a knack on starting discussions, but I have to agree with Nitrus, you really need to tone it down with your prejudice. It tends to inflame and take the topic off of what you really want to say.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have toned it down.
2. This is the toned down version.
3. Any lower than this I won't be posting.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Disenfranchised]

Lily, the only thing about Canada as opposed to Mexico is that Canada probably has better security and would be more likely to apprehend terrorists before they get here and would be terrorists most likely would know that. Not to say though, that the Canadian border isn't fairly likely too.

And yes, the internet makes anyone connected to it vulnerable to attack. That would be catastrophic for a little while. But that would be back up and running again pretty soon, and put a bunch of geeks to work at good pay.

[lily]

Disenfranchised
Lily, the only thing about Canada as opposed to Mexico is that Canada probably has better security and would be more likely to apprehend terrorists before they get here and would be terrorists most likely would know that.Â*Â*Not to say though, that the Canadian border isn't fairly likely too.

Well, you do have a point there. On the one hand, I believe the only terrorist that has been actually captured coming into the US by border was at the Toronto Border. Not sure of the province, but I believe it was Toronto. Also, I have posted articles that said Al-Quada has made training videos at the Mexican border on how to get across..........but let me make my point about Canada again.

Everyone is so hyped up about the Mexican border. You have your minutemen, fences, extra patrol. Up here in the north, they have taken off border patrol and in Detroit, there are "fast" lanes going across the bridge. You go though a screening, which wouldn't be hard for someone to pay to do for you and pay your dues and you go across no questions asked. In the tunnel there are 711 type of video cameras. Also don't forget that Dearborn is the largest Arab population in the entire US.

The Canadian border is also more expansive and closer to "major" targets.

And yes, the internet makes anyone connected to it vulnerable to attack. That would be catastrophic for a little while. But that would be back up and running again pretty soon, and put a bunch of geeks to work at good pay.

I'm not computer wiz by any means........but isn't everything, banking, utilities, air traffic, ect all computer?

[Disenfranchised]

Disenfranchised
And yes, the internet makes anyone connected to it vulnerable to attack. That would be catastrophic for a little while. But that would be back up and running again pretty soon, and put a bunch of geeks to work at good pay.

I'm not computer wiz by any means........but isn't everything, banking, utilities, air traffic, ect all computer?


Yes it is all computerized. And backed up on discs and hard drives that are not connected to the net, and so are not vulnerable as the computers that are connected are. Hence new computers, or cleaned up ones, would be downloaded with the stored backup data and we would be back in business in a few days. This lesson was learned by those who did business in the World Trade Center until it was distroyed. The lesson has been learned.

[lily]

Thank you. I really didn't know that. I thought thats where we would be most vulnerable

[Disenfranchised]

Well, we really are. But even though it would only be for a little while, it would cost us a bundle. And it would create chaos until the geeks got the computers back up and running again. It would be costly.