* Why Some Ask, But Really Don't Want Real Answers * [Archive]

askates

12-01-2006, 01:59 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. I find it curious that many people want to ask questions of Faith, and yet show little if no interest in the answers.
2. Is it they already have formed an Anti-Gawd opinion?
3. And yet are driven by Gawd to ask questions?
4. Morbid curiosity?
5. All this and a bag of chips, right here on DF.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

most dont have an anti-god opinion, we have an anti-gawd opinion, or whatever you call the sadistic hate-mongering bigot you describe as your god

CheesyMuslim

12-01-2006, 02:17 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. But Gawd is all that eh?
2. Gawd is a bigot too eh?
3. Ontop of all else you posted, huh?
4. One word, wow.
5. You got one helluva surprise bud in your future, sounds like to me.
6. Your choice.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

lily

12-01-2006, 02:33 AM

1. I find it curious that many people want to ask questions of Faith, and yet show little if no interest in the answers.

What you don't understand, chess is most of us don't believe in the same Gawd as you do. If we showed little interest in the answers, do you think the threads you start would be so long? It's just you have NOTHING and refuse to show ANYTHING to back up some of the ridiculous answers and statements you make. Your Gawd is strange to us. The God I know, doesn't advocate hate, doesn't speak of heaven as another planet or even speak of two reserections when you die.

CheesyMuslim

12-01-2006, 02:45 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. But oh really?
2. You could be wrong.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

underdawg

12-01-2006, 02:54 AM

Professor

12-01-2006, 04:21 AM

I think the reason that I am interested in talking about Christianity, is because I live in a culture that finds homosexuality as an abonination. I don't think that it is, and I need to try to understand why a supposedly loving god would be so hatefull.

As one of the issues/topics that affects today's society I think it's natural for everyone to want to discuss it.

Chess, are you talking about any specific thread?

askates

12-01-2006, 06:06 AM

wonder cow

12-01-2006, 10:46 AM

Not ever will a homosexual get into heaven.

Heaven and God are perfect. God is set apart from imperfection and sin. God punishes sin, as He is just.

No thief, no liar, no adulterer, no drunkard will enter into heaven. No one who has used God's name for worldly gain. No one who has ignored God's rule against judging others. No one who has refused to show mercy, turned away from the needy, or fails to fulfill Christ's great commandment.

No impure, imperfect person will enter into heaven. This means homosexuals also.

No one who has ever sinned will enter into heaven. No matter what the sin.

And all men have sinned.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

The law means one thing for man, certain hell.

Except for one thing. The grace of God that is His Son, Jesus Christ.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

What were the sins that Jesus was most concerned about, the ones He talked about the most? How often did He preach on homosexuality?

CheesyMuslim

12-01-2006, 01:07 PM

Sorry bout that,

1. But that is a curious topic, wonder cow, especially for those who are homosexuals.
2. They want specific wording from Jesus condemning homosexuality.
3. Why?
4. Why do they need direct words from Jesus, and why do they care if, *They* do not believe in Jesus?
5. And wouldn't they care and believe even less if there were some biblical reference *He* made, that being homosexual is way too sinful for him to forgive?
6. Its explained in detail in the Old Testament.
7. And Paul wrote about it in the New.
8. Unless there's a Third Testament, with specific reference to homosexuals as being okie dokie, I'd have to continue to side with Gawd on what has been already allotted.
9. Many here would side on Anti-Gawd principles, at their own peril.
10. Not that being wrong, and standing up for homosexuals will or will not get you cast into the same lot as them, I am not saying that.
11. But it could happen.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

piratemonkey

12-01-2006, 01:49 PM

BoogyMan

12-01-2006, 01:56 PM

I don't need to be taught about Christianity.

I was indoctrinated into that relgion as a child when I didn't have the knowledge or perspective to choose otherwise.
I had 12 years of Catholic education and likely know the Bible much better than most here.

I ask questions to:Â*Â*
Make people think (I'm an educator).
To see if you know your religion as well as you think you do.
To demonstrate the hypocrisy of some Christians' beliefs.

I spent the first half of my career making peanuts while working in a non-profit clinic, taking care of the poor, addicted and forgotten.Â*Â*I think I've lived my life closer to what Jesus wanted for his followers than the VAST majority of Christians in America.

That's why I laugh when judgmental Christians (oxymoron, anyone) call me immoral.

I bet Jesus would disagree.

This kind of posting always makes me think of the following scripture:

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.Â*Â*The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.Â*Â*I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.Â*Â*And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.Â*Â*I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

piratemonkey

12-01-2006, 02:37 PM

This kind of posting always makes me think of the following scripture:

This post coming from the humblest, least judgmental, most Christ-like of men.:rolleyes:

I'm the one that took care of the sinners. You judge them. Which attitute is more Christ-like, Boogie?

BoogyMan

12-01-2006, 03:17 PM

I'm the one that took care of the sinners.Â*Â*You judge them.Â*Â*Which attitute is more Christ-like, Boogie?

Yet again you assume you know more about me than you actually do. I don't feel the need to post my good works, pirate. Can you say the same? I think not.

Professor

12-01-2006, 03:49 PM

1. But oh really?
2. You could be wrong.

So could you.

piratemonkey

12-01-2006, 07:05 PM

Yet again you assume you know more about me than you actually do.Â*Â*I don't feel the need to post my good works, pirate.Â*Â*Can you say the same?Â*Â*I think not.

I know you certainly feel the need to post ascerbic judgmental statements here.

I know you certainly have shown a dramatic lack of humility (exactly what you accuse me of).

Maybe you should tell us exactly how you act like Christ, because your behavior in this forum speaks very clearly to the contrary.

piratemonkey

12-01-2006, 07:09 PM

What were the sins that Jesus was most concerned about, the ones He talked about the most? How often did He preach on homosexuality?

Exactly.

How many times did Jesus say to help the poor?

Live with the prostitutes and sinners?

Visit prisoners?

How many times did he say homosexuality or abortion areÂ*Â*important moral issues?Â*Â*Â*Â*ZERO.

BoogyMan

12-01-2006, 07:26 PM

I know you certainly feel the need to post ascerbic judgmental statements here.

Post your examples and let the debate begin.

I know you certainly have shown a dramatic lack of humility (exactly what you accuse me of).

Hmm, I have never told anyone in a blanket statement that I was likely more intelligent than they are nor have I told anyone that I likely know the bible better than they do.

Hmmmm.

Maybe you should tell us exactly how you act like Christ, because your behavior in this forum speaks very clearly to the contrary.

Like I said previously, post your examples and let the debate begin!

underdawg

12-02-2006, 01:39 AM

The thing about Christianity as well as any other religion is that you have to take it on faith that what men wrote in the Bible, or Koran, or any other religious text is that it is based on the truth and not someone's personal bias handed down through the generations. If what is written just doesn't seem to fit in the real world, perhaps it is flawed. Just as I can not prove the Bible to be wrong, Christians can not prove it to be right. For some of you, Christianity fits well into your view of the world, but for those like me, we see Christianity taken literally, as a backward, flawed set of ideas that is intended to keep certain people down.

I think that one of the good things about being gay is that it forsed me to question the religion of my parents and not be afraid to doubt. When I was a kid they put the fear of God into us, and for a while, I dare not question the Bible for fear of God's wrath. I think it is a good thing to doubt one's faith. If it is a good faith to believe in, it should be able to withstand and doubt put before it, if not, then perhaps it was never a good religion from the start.

CheesyMuslim

12-02-2006, 02:29 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. Yep, you have described the * Death Of A Soul *.
2. That's to bad, really.
3. Maybe you can get born again?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

wonder cow

12-02-2006, 04:01 AM

I had 12 years of Catholic education and likely know the Bible much better than most here.

I don't mean to offend you PM, but it seems to me that would make you an expert on Catholicism.

And many people know the scripture backwards and forwards but understand very little of it. Not that that applies to you, just that your general argument that you know the bible is not really a sound one.

Sorry bout that,

1. But that is a curious topic, wonder cow, especially for those who are homosexuals.
2. They want specific wording from Jesus condemning homosexuality.
3. Why?
4. Why do they need direct words from Jesus, and why do they care if, *They* do not believe in Jesus?
5. And wouldn't they care and believe even less if there were some biblical reference *He* made, that being homosexual is way too sinful for him to forgive?
6. Its explained in detail in the Old Testament.
7. And Paul wrote about it in the New.
8. Unless there's a Third Testament, with specific reference to homosexuals as being okie dokie, I'd have to continue to side with Gawd on what has been already allotted.
9. Many here would side on Anti-Gawd principles, at their own peril.
10. Not that being wrong, and standing up for homosexuals will or will not get you cast into the same lot as them, I am not saying that.
11. But it could happen.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You are confused about my point James.

My point is simple, why do many so called Christians focus so much on the sin of homosexuality when Christ focused so strongly on other sins, like faithlessness, selfishness, hypocrisy, and spiritual arrogance?

I'm not saying homosexuality is not a sin. I'm saying you are a sinner as well as myself, as well as the Apostle Paul, Mary the mother of Jesus, all the prophets of the old Testament, and even the person Jesus called the greatest man- John the Baptist.

The Old Testament and the Law outline the old covenant with man.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John.

There is a new covenant between God and man outlined in the New Testament.

Homosexuals can obtain the grace of God the same as all sinners, James. Christ does not exempt them.

Jesus should always be our example, James. And I guess I'm reminding myself of that more than anything else.

CheesyMuslim

12-02-2006, 01:33 PM

Sorry bout that,

1. I think you want to shelter homosexuals, from the storm.
2. To cover their sin.
3. All men are sinners, that's a given.
4. All humans have and will sin, in some way, during their lives.
5. That's another given.
6. But Jesus did say, to those that did prostitution, Mary Magdalen, not a quote: " You are forgiven, sin no more." meaning stop selling yourself as a prostitute, and be clean of it, and follow me.
7. Same things go with homosexuals, I think that the sin of being a homosexual can be forgiven, and they could be made clean again, if they were to ask for help from Jesus, and answer his call.
8. Will those here do that?
9. I would hope so.
10. But you can see most of those homosexuals here, have turned their backs on Gawd, and have had extensive schooling on the Bible.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

underdawg

12-02-2006, 08:19 PM

The reason so many homosexuals leave the church is because of the cruel nature of your God. I tried to remain celebate for the first 30 years of my life and found it to be a miserable lonely existence. If I were to marry a woman and have children like Rev Ted Haggard, I would be living a lie. I would not only be lying to myself, but I would be using my wife as a means to pretend to be straight.

Let me ask any of you heterosexuals here a question. Do any one of you here honestly think that you could give up sex for the rest of your lives if your God said that all sex was wrong? Catholic priests made a voluntary vow of celebacy and it seems like a lot of them can't seem to refrain from having sex either.

Hey, I know of a better answer, I can do as other Christians do, I can sin like crazy and if I time it just right, I can confess all my sins on my death bed.

piratemonkey

12-02-2006, 09:49 PM

I had 12 years of Catholic education and likely know the Bible much better than most here.

I don't mean to offend you PM, but it seems to me that would make you an expert on Catholicism.

I love how Protestants make this distinction.

It's like saying you may know about cheddar, but you don't know about cheese.

And many people know the scripture backwards and forwards but understand very little of it.

And who gets to decide what the correct "understanding" is?

Buck Laser

12-02-2006, 10:05 PM

The reason so many homosexuals leave the church is because of the cruel nature of your God.

Underdawg, I agree that the way CWN and some others impute judgments to God makes it appear that God is both cruel and unjust. But the fact is that no one among us has the right to announce what God's nature is.

CWN's arrogance and pride is especially egregious, but I am convinced that he/she has been posting with tongue firmly planted in cheek for the whole time.

There is abundant evidence that a broad range of sexual diversity exists throughout the universe of life: as a theist, I find it impossible to believe that a creator would declare part of his creation to be "evil."

I shall now duck while great gobs of outraged effluvia fly through the ether.:P

CheesyMuslim

12-03-2006, 12:12 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. But I know Gawd is a forgiving Gawd, and that he won't forgive forever.
2. I do not think that waiting till your laying on your death bed would work.
3. When you already know what you do is a mortal sin.
4. Unless you can get a grip on your behavior, I wouldn't expect much in the after life.
5. Sure I could say, "Give it a whack" and "See how that works out"
6. But I don't think it would work.
7. Sex isn't everything, so just learn to be alone, if that's what has to be.
8. Find a way to understand yourself.
9. That's all I can tell you now.
10. I get to decide the correct understanding.
11. And I don't see my post as prideful, just informative.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Buck Laser

12-03-2006, 12:35 AM

Sorry bout that,
10. I get to decide the correct understanding.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I submit that this is prima facie evidence of CWN's insanity.

CheesyMuslim

12-03-2006, 12:41 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. But Buck, your insane dude, not I!
2. And stop the personal attacks, its not called for.
3. You seem to be going Kramer all of a sudden.
4. Is this where everyone is a n*****?
5. But you think you can decide whats the understanding then?
6. You for one have little if no understanding of Gawd, I think not!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Buck Laser

12-03-2006, 12:53 AM

Well, geez, Chess dude, if you get to decide what is and what isn't does it make any possible difference whether or not I think you're insane? I suppose it's possible that you're the only sane one in the universe.

Then again....

CheesyMuslim

12-03-2006, 01:28 PM

Sorry bout that,

1. But sanity isn't the topic here.
2. That's in a thread yet to be made.
3. Those who claim others are insane, and the ones most like the loony birds.
4. I make some claims, that have to be taken on face value.
5. Its up to the person to believe what I say, when I make my claims, or anyone else who makes claims here.
6. Just because you disagree with some of my claims, or maybe even all of my claims, does not give you the right to characterise me insane, or Loony Right.
7. These are personal attacks, as far as I am concerned, and that is rather childish of you guys.
8. Oh I can get in to some hell raising personal attacks, if I so desired.
9. But that's not my way, and or do I think worthy of some one with my intellect.
10. Some here, always look for one number in my lists to attack, and throw out the entire list.
11. I look on this as simple minded, and without them being able to see the big picture.
12. Like fault finding, pointing out one fault in a list of points, then sitting back to see me do flips over their puny attack.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

lily

12-05-2006, 12:49 AM

And who gets to decide what the correct "understanding" is?

Well........since you asked, wouldn't that be King James, his translators and the group of mortal men who decided what books and verses actually went into the modern bible?

lily

12-05-2006, 12:51 AM

7. Sex isn't everything, so just learn to be alone, if that's what has to be.
8. Find a way to understand yourself.
9. That's all I can tell you now.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You're right Chess. Sex isn't everything........but love is. Can you imagine your life without your mate?

CheesyMuslim

12-05-2006, 01:09 PM

Sorry bout that,

1. Seems we got a topic changer!
2. Lily knock it off sweetie!
3. Buck has already stolen this thread, now we hash out who's sane and who's not!!!
4. I have him on the mat, he is about to admit, he's the nutjob!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Elrathin

12-05-2006, 02:24 PM

Anyone who says another person should be alone and without love is the insane one. PERIOD.

wonder cow

12-08-2006, 12:43 AM

something about sheltering homosexuals

You are telling certain people they have no chance of salvation.

Which is a lie. And also, after hearing your erroneous message, do you think your audience is more or less likely to reject Christ in the future?

Will those here do that?

Will you stop sinning? How long have you ever gone without sinning?

Jesus instructed us:

Then Peter came and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?"

Jesus said to him, "I don't tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven.

How much greater is Jesus than you and I James? He expects us to forgive over and over, yet you think He will not do even more than that?

There are those who read the scripture and see fault in themselves. There are those who read the scripture and see fault in others.

Which one are you, James?

And who gets to decide what the correct "understanding" is?

Why don't you piratemonkey? Read it for yourself, free of the bias of your denominational teachings, which I know can be difficult.

I wasn't raised in Church, which makes it a little easier for me, although I do admit to strong Baptist influences.

CheesyMuslim

12-08-2006, 01:48 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. But to ask a rhetorical question, brings in other questions.
2. You may disagree with my methods, but I don't remember asking for your approval.
3. This is how I do things, I stir it up, and see what flushes out.
4. You do it your way, and I will mine.
5. Thou I see no doing of anything by most here.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

wonder cow

12-08-2006, 06:00 AM

You may disagree with my methods, but I don't remember asking for your approval.

Fine. But please stop pretending to represent my Lord, as it is clear from your message that you don't.

Elrathin

12-08-2006, 06:21 AM

2. You may disagree with my methods, but I don't remember asking for your approval.

Please keep in mind that when anyone who disagrees with you or your methods. They didn't ask for your approval either, but you seem to find time to insult them anyways.

CheesyMuslim

12-08-2006, 01:36 PM

Sorry bout that,

1. But in asking and answering those questions I deliver in this forum, makes it a place to at least discuss the topic of belief.
2. Otherwise, no one would even bring it up much.
3. My slant of things provoke thought.
4. And when those that do the thinking, really wonder about themselves, they will act upon it.
5. Otherwise they would never had known of any problem.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Danoz

12-14-2006, 10:21 AM

Firstly I'd like to mention how ironic I think the title to this thread coming from somebody like chesswarsnow.

Anyway, here are my views:
1. I find it curious that many people want to ask questions of Faith, and yet show little if no interest in the answers.
It's called a rhetorical question. It's not because we don't have the answer, but because we're trying to make you see how we find fault in your point of view.

2. Is it they already have formed an Anti-Gawd opinion?
Yes, some people are like that unfortunately. Arrogant, ignorant and stubbourn people. People like you, only the other way around.

3. And yet are driven by Gawd to ask questions?
No, we are driven by our own desire to expose your silliness.

4. Morbid curiosity?
No I don't think so.

5. All this and a bag of chips, right here on DF.
Sweet.

CheesyMuslim

12-14-2006, 01:23 PM

Sorry bout that,

1. But no, people are driven by Gawd to ask.
2. Like being driven in a herd of goats.
3. HE is hoping some of you will ask the right questions, and separate yourself from this herd.
4. Otherwise people who want to know Gawd, and those who slipped away, would just go off into a happy oblivion, never wondering if they did the right thing on dissing Gawd.
5. That's where the morbid curiosity comes in.
6. Like picking the scab off a terrible cut, over and over, some just won't let things heal.
7. Self mutilation isn't helpful for those lost and or confused.
8. Its strange how some can be their own worst enemy, and never buddy up with their selves, enough to give themselves a small break.
9. To learn to be good to yourself, is lost on many.
10. Life is full of ironies, and whatever you think, just know I'm pulling for you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas