An example of religous nuts

[Elrathin]

DENVER, Colorado (AP) -- A homeowners' association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.

Some residents who have complained have children serving in Iraq, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs.

He said some residents believed the wreath was a symbol of Satan. Three or four residents complained, he said.

"Somebody could put up signs that say drop bombs on Iraq. If you let one go up you have to let them all go up," he said in a telephone interview Sunday.

Lisa Jensen said she wasn't thinking of the war when she hung the wreath. She said, "Peace is way bigger than not being at war. This is a spiritual thing."

Jensen, a past association president, calculates the fines will cost her about $1,000, and doubts they will be able to make her pay. But she said she's not going to take it down until after Christmas.

"Now that it has come to this I feel I can't get bullied," she said. "What if they don't like my Santa Claus?"

The association in this 200-home subdivision 270 miles southwest of Denver has sent a letter to her saying that residents were offended by the sign and the board "will not allow signs, flags etc. that can be considered divisive."

The subdivision's rules say no signs, billboards or advertising are permitted without the consent of the architectural control committee.

Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything.

Kearns fired all five committee members.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/peace.wreath.ap/index.html

Kearns is an example of the problem with Religion PERIOD. That's not to say everyone is this way, but it is a damn good example of someone taking religion and power too far.

[BoogyMan]

How about sharing how this is about religion? It sounds like a nutjob who is completely overzealous about his job as homeownsers association president.

[Drocket]

How about sharing how this is about religion?

He said some residents believed the wreath was a symbol of Satan.

[bobbylien]

How about sharing how this is about religion? It sounds like a nutjob who is completely overzealous about his job as homeownsers association president.

Ask yourself why he is overzealous about his position. ;)

[Elrathin]

How about sharing how this is about religion?


As was already said but to answer your question:

He said some residents believed the wreath was a symbol of Satan.

There you go.

I'll concede that Kearns maybe was not the religous nutball, but the fact he fired the commitee shows he is in support of the nutjobs at the very least.

[BoogyMan]

How about sharing how this is about religion?

He said some residents believed the wreath was a symbol of Satan.


Yes, Drocket, I read that. It does not, however, say that was the position of the homowners association president.

Elrathin's supposition cannot be supported unless we know the position of Kearns.

[Elrathin]

Elrathin's supposition cannot be supported unless we know the position of Kearns.


Like I said the fact he supported the reasoning of nutjobs shows he is in support of it. where is his comment that he is doing it for other reasons besides what is given?

[BoogyMan]

How about sharing how this is about religion?Â*Â*It sounds like a nutjob who is completely overzealous about his job as homeownsers association president.

Ask yourself why he is overzealous about his position. ;)


Well that must be it, he MUST be a zealot run amok. Oh, PLEASE!

[Elrathin]

Well that must be it, he MUST be a zealot run amok. Oh, PLEASE!


Wasn't it you boogy man that claimed Lebanon was in support of Hezbollah cause they didn't act and didn't say anything against them?

Oh wait I guess the "they agreed with it cause they didn't say or do anything about it" only goes if YOU are in support of it right Boogy? :rolleyes:

[BoogyMan]

Well that must be it, he MUST be a zealot run amok.Â*Â*Oh, PLEASE!


Wasn't it you boogy man that claimed Lebanon was in support of Hezbollah cause they didn't act and didn't say anything against them?

Oh wait I guess the "they agreed with it cause they didn't say or do anything about it" only goes if YOU are in support of it right Boogy?Â*Â*:rolleyes:


Elrathin, despite your assumption to the contrary, your own post belittles your position.

"Somebody could put up signs that say drop bombs on Iraq. If you let one go up you have to let them all go up," he said in a telephone interview Sunday.
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The association in this 200-home subdivision 270 miles southwest of Denver has sent a letter to her saying that residents were offended by the sign and the board "will not allow signs, flags etc. that can be considered divisive."

The subdivision's rules say no signs, billboards or advertising are permitted without the consent of the architectural control committee.

He DID say something that stated why he did what he did.Â*Â*You are working purely on hostile assumption.

You should read your own posts.

[Drocket]

He DID say something that stated why he did what he did.

No signs, billboards or advertising without the consent of the committee. This is obviously not a billboard, so lets just that that its a sign/advertisement for peace. By that logic, though, EVERYTHING qualifies as a sign/advertisement. Are standard generic wreaths against the rules? I'm doubting it, but aren't they signs/advertisements for Christmas? Is the idea of peace that much more offensive than Christmas? Maybe if you're utterly deranged and think the peace sign is a satanic symbol...

But that leaves the second part of the rule: without the consent of the committee: the committee GAVE its consent. And they were fired for it. It sounds to me like the owner of the wreath was ENTIRELY within the rules, until this nutcase went out of his way to change the rules, simply to get rid of a peace sign.

[BoogyMan]

He DID say something that stated why he did what he did.

But that leaves the second part of the rule:Â*Â*without the consent of the committee:Â*Â*the committee GAVE its consent.Â*Â*And they were fired for it.Â*Â*It sounds to me like the owner of the wreath was ENTIRELY within the rules, until this nutcase went out of his way to change the rules, simply to get rid of a peace sign.


You may be right here Drocket, but it cannot be wedged into a bash religion argument unless you are willing to assume outside of what Kearns had to say.

[piratemonkey]

Wasn't it you boogy man that claimed Lebanon was in support of Hezbollah cause they didn't act and didn't say anything against them?

Oh wait I guess the "they agreed with it cause they didn't say or do anything about it" only goes if YOU are in support of it right Boogy?Â*Â*:rolleyes:


Elrathin, despite your assumption to the contrary, your own post belittles your position.


Actually, he used your own type of argument against you very effectively.

And you did nothing to explain why he is wrong. Is he?

[BoogyMan]

Wasn't it you boogy man that claimed Lebanon was in support of Hezbollah cause they didn't act and didn't say anything against them?

Oh wait I guess the "they agreed with it cause they didn't say or do anything about it" only goes if YOU are in support of it right Boogy?Â*Â*:rolleyes:


Elrathin, despite your assumption to the contrary, your own post belittles your position.


Actually, he used your own type of argument against you very effectively.

And you did nothing to explain why he is wrong.Â*Â*Is he?


Read the whole thread pirate, egads.

[Labrocca]

You may be right here Drocket, but it cannot be wedged into a bash religion argument unless you are willing to assume outside of what Kearns had to say.


Are you of the opinion that whenever someone "bashes" religion they are in the wrong? Are you of the opinion that right-wing religious zealots don't exist or that they are nice harmless people?

Seriously...only judging by that article..the President is a religious zealot nutjob as described. He FIRED the 5 board members after they found no fault in the wreath...what other logic could there be for this? Sure we can SPECULATE a dozen things but let's just go on what we know and what the article states.

If this guy was in my community as the President I would be moving out asap.

[BoogyMan]

Are you of the opinion that whenever someone "bashes" religion they are in the wrong? Are you of the opinion that right-wing religious zealots don't exist or that they are nice harmless people?Â*Â*

Seriously...only judging by that article..the President is a religious zealot nutjob as described.Â*Â*He FIRED the 5 board members after they found no fault in the wreath...what other logic could there be for this?Â*Â*Sure we can SPECULATE a dozen things but let's just go on what we know and what the article states.

If this guy was in my community as the President I would be moving out asap.


To answer your first question, no. I don't even know where you got that.

So Kearns is a religious nut because some of the people who complained did so on religious grounds? Hogwash.

Most likely the guy is a power-mad nut who takes his "job" as president WAAAAAYYY to seriously and is flexing his muscles. If we are as you say, going on what we know, Kearns is doing what he thinks the homeowners association rules allow and is considering that wreath an anti-war sign.

[Professor]

Kearns is a nutball, but I don't see this as a religious issue.

I want to know what the next course of action for fired commitee members is. Can they overthrow him?

[lily]

This is totally off topic............but it's the first Christmas argument......it puts me such a festive mood.:D

[BoogyMan]

This is totally off topic............but it's the first Christmas argument......it puts me such a festive mood.:D


LOL! Lily, I think that is your best one yet!

[Professor]

I'll fuel the second X-mas argument.Â*Â*There, I just did.

[Professor]

Source: http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/152567,CST-NWS-wreath29.article

Peace prevails over Christmas wreath

DENVER -- A subdivision has withdrawn its threat of $25 daily fines against a homeowner who put a Christmas wreath shaped like a peace sign on the front of her home.
Homeowner Lisa Jensen told the Associated Press on Monday that the board of directors of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association had apologized, called the incident a misunderstanding and had withdrawn its request for the wreath's removal.

Jensen was ordered to take the wreath down when residents in her 200-home subdivision saw it as a protest of the Iraq war. Bob Kearns, president of the board, also said some saw it as a symbol of Satan.