Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship

[Waffletush]

The College Republicans group at Boston University is offering what it calls a "Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship" that requires applicants to be at least 25 percent Caucasian. B.U.'s "Daily Free Press" newspaper says students who want the $250 award must submit two essays — one on their ancestry and the other on what being a Caucasian-American means to them.

Schools, government and private organizations offer hundreds of scholarships targeted at various minority groups. The president of the College Republicans says his group is trying to make a point about the bigotry of racial preferences and affirmative action — not advocate white supremacy. He says a lot of people have been "agitated or upset" at the Caucasian scholarship idea initially — but understand the point when it's explained to them.

Since The Race Card has been played on this board recently, I got some questions. Why aren't their more scholarships like this? And why is it when one is created, people automatically assume it promotes White Supremacy? Is racial profiling so bad that if you have a scholarship aimed at Anglos, it must automatically be considered a bigoted form of assistance?

[Labrocca]

I agree with their cause...I see no problem with a caucasian scholarship. As they point out...there are hundreds of them for minorities. Oddly they only require you to be 25% caucasian...wouldn't it be funny for a person to get a black scholarship as well as the caucasian one. hehe

People are very racially sensative. It's guys like Al Sharpton and Farakhan that demonize white people. People got their own problems to deal with let alone having to keep some race down. In America there are so many races who the freak has the time.

[Elrathin]

IMO, there has always been a double standard when it comes to white and other races.

For instance many races have months in which they celebrate their heritage. However, if a white group wants to have a month to celebrate white heritage they are labeled KKK, Nazis, white supremicists, etc.

I am white and I am proud of it. That is not to say I think I am better than any other race or that whites haven't done anything bad, it just means I am proud to be white. Is that soo bad?

[Alonzo]

Since The Race Card has been played on this board recently, I got some questions.Â*Â*Why aren't their more scholarships like this?Â*Â*And why is it when one is created, people automatically assume it promotes White Supremacy?Â*Â*Is racial profiling so bad that if you have a scholarship aimed at Anglos, it must automatically be considered a bigoted form of assistance?


What reason is there that whites need this? Other minorities get fewer scholarships, on average they're poorer, less represented in their fields, and the available scholarships target their communities less. Making a whites scholarships is like "hey, we can do that to!", but they lack all the reasons minorities have them.

[dgridley]

I agree with you completely...


I agree with their cause...I see no problem with a caucasian scholarship.Â*Â*

People are very racially sensative.Â*Â*It's guys like Al Sharpton and Farakhan that demonize white people.Â*Â*

[dgridley]

I think they're just making a point.. me, I feel if I'm a philanthropist and I want to give scholarships to outstanding young white or black men, gays, liberals, conservatives, or whatever, I should have that right.





What reason is there that whites need this? Other minorities get fewer scholarships, on average they're poorer, less represented in their fields, and the available scholarships target their communities less. Making a whites scholarships is like "hey, we can do that to!", but they lack all the reasons minorities have them.

[Labrocca]

Making a whites scholarships is like "hey, we can do that to!", but they lack all the reasons minorities have them.


That's a bit insulting. I am white..grew up rather poor...and didn't attend college because I couldn't afford it.Â*Â*I believe whites can be just as poor and underpriviledged as any other race.

[Alonzo]

That's a bit insulting. I am white..grew up rather poor...and didn't attend college because I couldn't afford it.Â*Â*I believe whites can be just as poor and underpriviledged as any other race.


While that's true, and it makes perfect sense for scholarships to target the poor, I simply don't get why you target whites. Its the least likely group to need it, the least likely group to be underrepresented, and the least likely group to be ignored by other (non racial or ethnic) scholarships.

[Elrathin]

While that's true, and it makes perfect sense for scholarships to target the poor, I simply don't get why you target whites. Its the least likely group to need it, the least likely group to be underrepresented, and the least likely group to be ignored by other (non racial or ethnic) scholarships.


You make good points, but ultimately, so what? I mean just hear me out for a minute. If a group wants to do this for whites, what is the problem with it? What is the problem in helping out white people too? And when I say white I am referring to the description of this scholarship where it says 25% white.

If you don't want to donate to something like this fine, but I don't see what is the big deal or why people think it is wrong for a group to help out white people. Since when in this country is helping out people wrong?

If an organization is helping people, what is the problem?

[lily]

I think they're just making a point.. me, I feel if I'm a philanthropist and I want to give scholarships to outstanding young white or black men, gays, liberals, conservatives, or whatever, I should have that right.


I agree. It's your money, who should tell you how to donate it?

Waffletush Wrote:

Why aren't their more scholarships like this? And why is it when one is created, people automatically assume it promotes White Supremacy? Is racial profiling so bad that if you have a scholarship aimed at Anglos, it must automatically be considered a bigoted form of assistance?

We dont' agree on much, but this one I agree with you on.

alonzomourning23 Wrote:
While that's true, and it makes perfect sense for scholarships to target the poor, I simply don't get why you target whites. Its the least likely group to need it, the least likely group to be underrepresented, and the least likely group to be ignored by other (non racial or ethnic) scholarships.

Zo, this made me curious enough to google scholorships for black students......86 pages to choose from.

[Alonzo]

Zo, this made me curious enough to google scholorships for black students......86 pages to choose from.

That's not the issue. The question is which groups are exposed to the fewest scholarships not based on race. After that is considered, which groups are exposed to the fewest scholarships? Which groups are most in need of the money? And, in their profession, which group is most underrepresented? Some professions, such as psychology, need diversity.

You make good points, but ultimately, so what?Â*Â*I mean just hear me out for a minute.Â*Â*If a group wants to do this for whites, what is the problem with it?Â*Â*What is the problem in helping out white people too? And when I say white I am referring to the description of this scholarship where it says 25% white.

There are so many scholarships out there that are primarily targetted at whites, not consciously but are focused on areas or places where whites are much more likely to recieve a benefit.

If you don't want to donate to something like this fine, but I don't see what is the big deal or why people think it is wrong for a group to help out white people.Â*Â*Since when in this country is helping out people wrong?

That's a strange way to twist my words. But considering representation and wealth between groups, it doesn't make much sense and seems unnecessary. Even then though, the motivation of the people offering it is suspect, which is why I suspect that it causes such an uproar. Honestly, I can't think of a legitimate reason to target a scholarship at white people.

[lily]

Zo, this made me curious enough to google scholorships for black students......86 pages to choose from.

That's not the issue. The question is which groups are exposed to the fewest scholarships not based on race. After that is considered, which groups are exposed to the fewest scholarships? Which groups are most in need of the money? And, in their profession, which group is most underrepresented? Some professions, such as psychology, need diversity.



Well, based on that criterion, I'd have to say Mexicans, Koreans, Vietnamese.

[dgridley]

In all honesty, I'm basically against making race a criterion for any benefit... but see no problem in anyone specifying who or what they want their money to go to if they so wish. It's their money, their decision.

[Cobra]

But considering representation and wealth between groups, it doesn't make much sense and seems unnecessary.
There are plenty of poor whites in this country who could use help and a scholarship to help fund their education. I’d bet there are more poor whites than blacks if you take total numbers and not % per race. That’s a lot of people even if on average whites are more likely to have money/get scholarships.

[Alonzo]

There are more poor whites cobra, but when you target whites as a group you are getting a smaller percentage of poor. If you target people in poverty as a group you're still likely to get much more whites than blackzs or hispanics.

But this isn't even directed at poor whites, just whites. I don't see anything indicating poverty as a requirement.

[askates]

what if I was only 20% white, I guess i wouldnt be white enough

[Cobra]

But this isn't even directed at poor whites, just whites. I don't see anything indicating poverty as a requirement.

Neither do the scholarships for minorities, that's the point. Why should scholarships be handed out based on race instead of other factors like need and poverty. You would still be helping the poor minorities while not excluding everyone else based on skin color.

[Alonzo]

Neither do the scholarships for minorities, that's the point. Why should scholarships be handed out based on race instead of other factors like need and poverty. You would still be helping the poor minorities while not excluding everyone else based on skin color.


Because minorities, as a whole, tend to be underrepresented in college and in their fields. As I said earlier, some fields, particularly ones like psychology, law and teaching, need diversity.

[lily]

what if I was only 20% white, I guess i wouldnt be white enough


This one has been "bothering" me.......what are they going to do, research your family tree?

[Cobra]

Because minorities, as a whole, tend to be underrepresented in college and in their fields. As I said earlier, some fields, particularly ones like psychology, law and teaching, need diversity.
So racism is okay if it leads to more diversity on campus.

[Alonzo]

If you have more diversity on campus, and more diverse professional fields which may better serve their clients, is the end result more or less racism?

[Waffletush]

From your posts it looks like you are OK with giving preferentail treatment to any group, so long as the person is not white. I hate to break it to you, but racism IS a two way street.

What if a white person filed a lawsuit saying the NBA needs a higher percentage of white players so the league has a more diverse background? Anything wrong with that?

[Cobra]

If you have more diversity on campus, and more diverse professional fields which may better serve their clients, is the end result more or less racism?
No it wouldn't be if more people thought minorities only got that position because they were helped through AA and not because they desearved it. It would cause more resentmeant and more racism IMO.

[Alonzo]

From your posts it looks like you are OK with giving preferentail treatment to any group, so long as the person is not white.Â*Â*I hate to break it to you, but racism IS a two way street.

So if your method ends up with more racism and less diversity and mine ends up with less racism and more diversity, yours is still superior?

What if a white person filed a lawsuit saying the NBA needs a higher percentage of white players so the league has a more diverse background?Â*Â*Anything wrong with that?

Athletes, actors etc. have never been subjected to such laws either way. Look at hockey for example. There's less diversity in that than basketball.

But, if there is a benefit to increased diversity, as there is in some fields, then all such policies do is when there are two equal or relatively candidates that the minority often gets picked. In most cases its no more than that.

No it wouldn't be if more people thought minorities only got that position because they were helped through AA and not because they desearved it. It would cause more resentmeant and more racism IMO.

Well, we've had such policies in place for decades. Have such policies caused more racism and increases resentment towards minorities?

[Elrathin]

So if your method ends up with more racism and less diversity and mine ends up with less racism and more diversity, yours is still superior?

How does your way end up with less racism when the very fact of it is racism against whites?

I'm not saying that it isn't necessary in some situations, but let's not kid ourselves it is racism against whites nonetheless. If you include minorities, but exclude whites then it is discrimination against whites for them being white. Hence, racist.

[Cobra]

Well, we've had such policies in place for decades. Have such policies caused more racism and increases resentment towards minorities?

It has in people who would not normally be racist again IMO. I think there is a new type racism going on now days. Not the in your face types of the past, more subtle but still there. These policies just give them more fual for their flame. An example to justify their feeling and get others to see the point and join them.

[Alonzo]

It allows for more integrated education, which better prepares people for more integrated workplaces and dealing with diverse clients and patients. People who live in areas that are 98 or 99% white, attend colleges with similar demographics, and then get thrown into a major urban area where only 45-70 of people are white, and many aren't even american born, may have issues. Not even considering the issue of prejudice, they simply may not be familiar with dealing with different cultural values.

And, in some fields, like psychology, a major issue right now is that it is primarily directed towards whites, and needs to improve its capability of treating people from various racial and ethnic groups. The race, religion, ethnicity etc. actually do, in some cases, relate to treatment outcomes. This is due to two reasons, one is that certain cultural values may results in behaviors that, to someone unfamiliar with them, may appear to be symptoms of a psychological issue, or the course of treatment undertaken may not be as effective with members of a certain culture. Second, the patient often feels more comfortable with certain clinicians and counselors of similar backgrounds.

The same also holds true for gender.

It has in people who would not normally be racist again IMO. I think there is a new type racism going on now days. Not the in your face types of the past, more subtle but still there. These policies just give them more fual for their flame. An example to justify their feeling and get others to see the point and join them.


You talk of a decrease of "in your face" racism. Why has that occurred? Why is more milder racism dominating today and the more extreme is fading?

[Cobra]

You talk of a decrease of "in your face" racism. Why has that occurred? Why is more milder racism dominating today and the more extreme is fading?
Because people decided that was bad, and laws were created against it but then they went and decided to use racism to fix racism. I don't see it working, two wrong wont end in a right. Just a bunch of pissed off whites and pissed off black who wont take kindly to their handout being taken away because they deaserve it. When their is diviresity, will AA be done away with or not and if you talking diversity only why aren't Asians given AA. They also make campus more diverse and predomintly white areas won't have a lot of Asians in their schools.

[bobbylien]

I see no problem with it so long as there are things like this for other races too. I just wish they would get rid of race based shit like this completely. Its our job to make sure everyone has the ability to go into any field he/she wants to, not to give things to people who don't deserve it just to improve diversity in a field. Affirmative action is wrong and is causing a ton of racist sentiments these days. I firmly believe that affirmative action is hurting minorities more than its helping them. We should focus on helping everyone who is at a disadvantage because its not just minorities.

[Alonzo]

You talk of a decrease of "in your face" racism. Why has that occurred? Why is more milder racism dominating today and the more extreme is fading?
Because people decided that was bad, and laws were created against it but then they went and decided to use racism to fix racism.

So people just woke up one day and decided all their beliefs were wrong? Or did they slowly change their views?

But affirmative action has been around since 1965. Extreme racism was still very strong then. It's difficult to blame the remaining moderate racism on it.

I don't see it working, two wrong wont end in a right. Just a bunch of pissed off whites and pissed off black who wont take kindly to their handout being taken away because they deaserve it.

A handout would suggest those unqualified get the job. In these cases they're both qualified applicants.

When their is diviresity, will AA be done away with or not and if you talking diversity only why aren't Asians given AA. They also make campus more diverse and predomintly white areas won't have a lot of Asians in their schools.


AA serves no purpose when society is fully integrated.

But Asians do get AA benefits. It's not only a program for blacks. You didn't know that?

[Cobra]

But Asians do get AA benefits. It's not only a program for blacks. You didn't know that?

I've heard several times that asians do not get college AA, while hispanics, blacks, and other minorities do. Someone ought to check on that one.

[Alonzo]

I've heard several times that asians do not get college AA, while hispanics, blacks, and other minorities do. Someone ought to check on that one.


Affirmative action treat asians like other minorities, when it applies. But, in some areas, they are overrepresented or represented on par with what would be expected for other groups with the same demographic number, so they often don't recieve benefits in places where that is true, and are treated like non minority applicants.

So, it's not correct to say affirmative action does not cover asians, or that they never benfit. Affirmative action treats asians like any other group that achieves the goals set in place. Elite schools are less likely to give benefits to asians that average schools, but when California ended affirmative action asian enrollment overall decreased. At the same time it increased in the top schools.

[Cobra]

So shouldn't whites be getting AA to black colleges around the country. there are some or do they not need diversity there.

[dgridley]

And that's a good point..

I guess no one has yet applied for that particular scholarship anyway.. I was reading about it earlier (forget the link).


So shouldn't whites be getting AA to black colleges around the country. there are some or do they not need diversity there.

[BoogyMan]

What reason is there that whites need this? Other minorities get fewer scholarships, on average they're poorer, less represented in their fields, and the available scholarships target their communities less. Making a whites scholarships is like "hey, we can do that to!", but they lack all the reasons minorities have them.


There are no poor white people in your area needing assistance with college Zo?