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Wal-Mart boycott over gays called off
Group pleased with statement, retailer says diversity issues still important
Updated: 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
NEW YORK - A conservative group that had called on supporters to boycott
Wal-Mart’s post-Thanksgiving day sales to protest the retailer’s support of
gay-rights groups withdrew its objections Tuesday, saying the company had
agreed to stay away from controversial causes.
The American Family Association, which had been asking supporters to stay
away from Wal-Mart on Friday and Saturday — two of the busiest shopping days
of the year — said it was pleased by a statement the company issued Tuesday.
While stressing its commitment to diversity and equality, Wal-Mart said in
its statement that it “will not make corporate contributions to support or
oppose highly controversial issues unless they directly relate to our
ability to serve our customers.”
Mona Williams, Wal-Mart’s vice president of communications, said in a
telephone interview that the company would continue working with the Gay and
Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and other gay-rights groups on specific issues
such as workplace equality.
“Going forward, we would partner with them on specific initiatives. ...As to
opposed to just giving blanket support to their general operating budget,”
she said.
The company’s statement, she said, resulted primarily from concerns
expressed by customers and employees, not from the boycott threat.
There was no immediate word from a second conservative group, Operation Save
America, on whether it was reconsidering its plans for prayer-and-preaching
rallies outside many Wal-Mart stores on Friday.
The corporate actions that had triggered the protest plans were little
different from those taken by scores of major companies in recent years —
Wal-Mart paid $25,000 this summer to become a member of the National Gay and
Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and donated $60,000 to Out and Equal, which
promotes gay-rights advances in the workplace.
However, some conservative activists depicted Wal-Mart’s engagement as
endorsement of same-sex marriage and a pledge to give gay-owned businesses
preferential treatment — assertions Wal-Mart denied in its statement
Tuesday.
Conservative leaders had viewed Wal-Mart’s actions as a betrayal of its own
traditions, which have included efforts to weed out magazines with racy
covers and CDs with explicit lyrics.
“This has been Christian families’ favorite store — and now they’re giving
in, sliding down the slippery slope so many other corporations have gone
down,” said the Rev. Flip Benham of Operation Save America. “They’re all
being extorted by the radical homosexual agenda.”
Justin Nelson, president of the Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce, said
earlier Tuesday that conservative activists had misrepresented his
business-oriented group as a leading advocate of gay marriage in order to
tarnish Wal-Mart.
“Their campaign has not been to educate, but to mislead,” he said.
Wal-Mart ranks in the middle among companies rated by the Human Rights
Campaign, a major gay-rights group, for workplace policies toward gays.
Scores of companies now have a perfect 100 rating, while Wal-Mart’s rating
has risen from 14 in 2002 to 65 this year as it added sexual orientation to
its nondiscrimination code and offered some domestic-partner benefits.
Earlier Tuesday, before the American Family Association dropped its protest,
Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese said he spoke with a Wal-Mart
executive Tuesday and came away confident the company would continue efforts
to promote workplace equality for gays.
A message left with the Human Rights Campaign after business hours Tuesday
seeking comment was not immediately returned.
Tim Wildmon, the American Family Association’s president, said Wal-Mart had
been responsive to conservative pressure on a different issue, approving use
of the word “Christmas” in advertising and employee greetings this season
after shifting to a “happy holidays” phrasing last year.
That campaign was one of the first times Wal-Mart came under sustained
criticism from the right. Far more often, it has been a target of
left-of-center groups, such as WakeUpWalMart.com, complaining that the
company pays low wages, skimps on employee benefits and outsources too many
jobs.
The company has responded by adding low-cost health care plans, launching
environmental programs and increasing diversity among employees and
suppliers.
Gary Chaison, an industrial relations professor at Clark University in
Worcester, Mass., said the conflicting pressures on Wal-Mart are “the price
of being big and having many constituencies.”
“Everyone expects Wal-Mart, because it has so many stores, to set the moral
tone for America,” he said. “The company has been trying to find a middle
road, and it’s had a great deal of difficulty doing that.”
Another major corporation, Ford Motor Co., already is the target of an
American Family Association boycott because it advertises in gay
publications and supports gay-rights groups.
The Tupelo, Miss.-based AFA says 550,000 people have signed a pledge to
boycott Ford and it takes partial credit for the company’s financial
problems. Ford spokesman Oscar Suris declined comment; an industry analyst,
University of Detroit professor Michael Bernacchi, was doubtful the boycott
was having much impact.
Alonzo
11-22-2006, 03:40 AM
“Everyone expects Wal-Mart, because it has so many stores, to set the moral
tone for America,”
No wonder they call us the great satan.
dgridley
11-22-2006, 04:19 AM
Walmart wussed out..
It's a shame they gave in, in my opinion.. democracy giving way to theocratic blackmail.
bobbylien
11-22-2006, 05:05 AM
Its amazing how far stupid groups like the AFA will go to advance their hatred for gays. This isn't about stopping anything related to families, this is just about hurting gays as much as possible. Why anyone would support such a group is just completely beyond me.
Just another good business move on the part of Wal-Mart.
BoogyMan
11-22-2006, 06:54 AM
Bobby, once again, disapproval is NOT hatred.
Alonzo
11-22-2006, 11:13 AM
Sure they may not hate gays. But the same could be said of many whites who supported racial superiority. They just had to know their place.
They oppose policies that prevent discrimination. The end result is the same and, whether they themselves hate them, it does reinforce existing hatred of homosexuals.
In situations like this, both those who hates homosexuals and those who don't have similar effects and are equally unlikely to change. Your argument just provides an undeserved respectability to their position more than anything else.
CheesyMuslim
11-22-2006, 12:57 PM
Sorry bout that,
1. But I think WalMart hasn't done enough to distance itself from homosexuals.
2. They should send out an apology to the people who shop at their stores stating that they regret giving the 85 thousand dollars to homosexual groups, and won't ever do it again.
3. In my Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Advisory roll, giving money to fund homosexuality is partaking in that sin, and shouldn't of happened at all, should be openly regretted, and make professions that that won't ever happen again.
4. Maybe they should give money to the Muslim groups then, they are people too, and will feel left out if they don't get the bribe money.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
BoogyMan
11-22-2006, 01:00 PM
Sure they may not hate gays. But the same could be said of many whites who supported racial superiority. They just had to know their place.
They oppose policies that prevent discrimination. The end result is the same and, whether they themselves hate them, it does reinforce existing hatred of homosexuals.
In situations like this, both those who hates homosexuals and those who don't have similar effects and are equally unlikely to change. Your argument just provides an undeserved respectability to their position more than anything else.
Once again the gay-baiting ideology that you are using to argue this point does no-one any good and turns off any possibility of debate Zo. Disapproval is not hate and it is disigenuous to couch it as such.
askates
11-22-2006, 02:45 PM
Once again the gay-baiting ideology that you are using to argue this point does no-one any good and turns off any possibility of debate Zo. Disapproval is not hate and it is disigenuous to couch it as such.
So KKK members must "disapprove" of African Americans?
IF you disapprove of the way someone is born- call it what you want to make your self feel better about yourself.
"I disapprove of their existence. But i dont hate them! " lol
BoogyMan
11-22-2006, 03:02 PM
So KKK members must "disapprove" of African Americans? IF you disapprove of the way someone is born - call it what you want to make your self feel better about yourself. "I disapprove of their existence. But i dont hate them! " lol
So you equate those who honestly disaprove of homosexuality with the KKK?
I just lost a great deal of respect for your line of argumentation. Prove that homosexuality is a state in which someone is born. I have, as of yet, not seen such proof.
Disapproval does not now nor has it ever equated to hate.
Elrathin
11-22-2006, 03:04 PM
Disapproval does not now nor has it ever equated to hate.
So if someone says they disapprove of Blacks, but don't hate them then that doesn't equate to hate?
BoogyMan
11-22-2006, 03:06 PM
Disapproval does not now nor has it ever equated to hate.
So if someone says they disapprove of Blacks, but don't hate them then that doesn't equate to hate?
Someones race does not equate to their choice of sexual orientation.
Elrathin
11-22-2006, 03:07 PM
Someones race does not equate to their choice of sexual orientation.
You have a problem answering questions.
If someone disapproves of blacks, but says they don't hate them, is that hate?
askates
11-22-2006, 03:13 PM
So you equate those who honestly disaprove of homosexuality with the KKK?
Yes :-)
the KKK disapproves of homosexuals too.
The only difference is you do not 'disapprove' of other minorities.
And obviously you have never know or seen a child who shows signs of homosexuality, everyone knew my cousin was gay when he was three, my mom said she knew i was gay when i was five, how much younger do you need to be before its not a choice
BoogyMan
11-22-2006, 03:16 PM
Someones race does not equate to their choice of sexual orientation.
You have a problem answering questions.
If someone disapproves of blacks, but says they don't hate them, is that hate?
Elrathin, the question has to make sense. Post one that does it will get an answer. You are trying to equivocate race with sexual orientation, not a valid comparison by any stretch of the imagination.
Elrathin
11-22-2006, 03:18 PM
Elrathin, the question has to make sense. Post one that does it will get an answer. You are trying to equivocate race with sexual orientation, not a valid comparison by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm trying to get you to answer a very simple question.
If someone says they dissaprove of blacks, but don't hate them, is that considered hate? Very simple question. I just asked my wife that question and even SHE gave me a simple answer.
BoogyMan
11-22-2006, 03:21 PM
Yes :-)
the KKK disapproves of homosexuals too.
The only difference is you do not 'disapprove' of other minorities.
And obviously you have never know or seen a child who shows signs of homosexuality, everyone knew my cousin was gay when he was three,**my mom said she knew i was gay when i was five, how much younger do you need to be before its not a choice
askates, the KKK hates homosexuals and wishes to do them harm, just as they do many minority groups. This is not disapproval. I disapprove of homosexuality and have no malice towards them nor do I wish them harm. Equating disapproval with hate is a red herring and it does an injustice to those who actually are victims of hate.
askates
11-22-2006, 03:24 PM
so the difference is that when you hate someone you physically do something about it, when u disapprove of someone, you just hate them in your head and stay passive
BoogyMan
11-22-2006, 03:27 PM
so the difference is that when you hate someone you physically do something about it,**when u disapprove of someone, you just hate them in your head and stay passive
hate /heɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[heyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, hat‧ed, hat‧ing, noun
–verb (used with object) 1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
–verb (used without object) 3. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.
–noun 4. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.
dis‧ap‧prove /ˌdɪsəˈpruv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dis-uh-proov] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -proved, -prov‧ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to think (something) wrong or reprehensible; censure or condemn in opinion.
2. to withhold approval from; decline to sanction: The Senate disapproved the nominations.
–verb (used without object) 3. to have an unfavorable opinion; express disapproval (usually fol. by of).
askates, you can try to prove your stereotype all day long but words have meanings and you are trying to distort what i am saying. It cannot be made any simpler than the definitions that I am posting in this response.
askates
11-22-2006, 03:45 PM
wow those definitions are more similar than i thought
askates
11-22-2006, 04:03 PM
the real reason that this boycott was called off is that neo-cons are too cheap to buy gifts anywhere else
Alonzo
11-22-2006, 08:16 PM
So KKK members must "disapprove" of African Americans?
IF you disapprove of the way someone is born- call it what you want to make your self feel better about yourself.
"I disapprove of their existence. But i dont hate them! " lol
In the 20's-50's, I'm sure there were a lot of klansmen who could honestly say that, except it would be "as long as they know there place".
Once again the gay-baiting ideology that you are using to argue this point does no-one any good and turns off any possibility of debate Zo.**Disapproval is not hate and it is disigenuous to couch it as such.
Once again you miss the point. So I'll ask more directly, what noticeable difference is there to the average homosexual? Or does one allow for a better prediction of future events?
Someones race does not equate to their choice of sexual orientation
No scientific evidence suggests its a choice.
dgridley
11-22-2006, 08:23 PM
I was thinking the same thing...
wow those definitions are more similar than i thought
bobbylien
11-22-2006, 09:36 PM
I disapprove of homosexuality and have no malice towards them nor do I wish them harm.
Why do you disapprove? Could it be that the facts don't go along with your rediculous view of how the world should be? Homosexuality is not a choice.
Disapproval does not now nor has it ever equated to hate.
Then you must have been missing a lot of posts on this subject, Boogy..........and all of them haven't been made by chess. Some of the posts are so hateful, at times, it makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum.
CheesyMuslim
11-23-2006, 12:27 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But I never said I hated homosexuals, now did I?
2. But to hate homosexuals isn't a sin, and or a bad idea, if you asked me The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser.
3. Maybe my words could be considered harsh towards homosexuals, but I call it as I see it, and what I know from the Bible.
4. If you have a problem with my words, then you got a problem with Gawds too.
5. I don't get some joy for telling it like it is, its just the truth, and the truth hurts if you live your life against the truth.
6. either deal with it, or blame me I guess.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
1. But I never said I hated homosexuals, now did I?
Come out and actually use the word hate? No. Your posts however scream hate. I also said you are not the only one, so don't let your ego get the better of you.
2. But to hate homosexuals isn't a sin, and or a bad idea, if you asked me The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser.
Well.......then why are you now defending your position of hate?
3. Maybe my words could be considered harsh towards homosexuals, but I call it as I see it, and what I know from the Bible.
I think I'll wait for Buck to finish wiping**the floor with your interpretation of the bible. The bible I've read, does not show the intolerance that yours does.
4. If you have a problem with my words, then you got a problem with Gawds too.
I think we've already discussed your words, they are not God's by any means. As I've said you're not making any converts here. You say you've planted seeds, but you've only planted seeds of hatred, intolerance and double speak.
5. I don't get some joy for telling it like it is, its just the truth, and the truth hurts if you live your life against the truth.
I'm just fine with my life, thank you.
6. either deal with it, or blame me I guess.
In order to blame you chess.....I'd have to believe what you spew as truth. Some times I can see the humor in what you write, but not this time. Comapring homosexuals to terrorists. Mocking a dead man. Saying you speak for God is not only shameful, and hatefull, but shows signs of dementia........
CheesyMuslim
11-23-2006, 01:15 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But I can easily bring in chapter and verse to support what I'm saying.
2. And in so doing defend what I'm saying with the Bible.
3. But where would the fun be in that?
4. I know what it says, Buck knows what it says, most here know what it says, being or defending homosexuality is insane.
5. Not what I say.
6. I am not mocking the dead bud of Bucks.
7. Bucks friend, did what he did, but for the life of me, I can't understand it.
8. Sounds like to me he had the ride off into the sunset life.
9. But he picked to have a homosexual perverse life style.
10. I don't get it???
11. And I can not accept an explanation how that what Bucks friend did was a good choice.
12. Because there's not one.
13. Some can try, but there's no way there can be a good enough reason to leave your three children and wife for a homosexual relationship.
14. There is no way that balances out.
15. Nope.
16. Honestly lily, you must think everything I post is referenced at you, its not, if you hadn't noticed yet.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
13. Some can try, but there's no way there can be a good enough reason to leave your three children and wife for a homosexual relationship.
.....but it would be just fine to leave your wife and three children for another woman?
16. Honestly lily, you must think everything I post is referenced at you, its not, if you hadn't noticed yet.
Only when they are posted after what I post as a reply.
bobbylien
11-23-2006, 02:32 AM
1. But I can easily bring in chapter and verse to support what I'm saying.
2. And in so doing defend what I'm saying with the Bible.
Show us please CWN. Help us see the error of our ways.
CheesyMuslim
11-23-2006, 02:52 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But I will provide a link.
2. Has some interesting facts to support my views.
3. Rather than digging up Chapter and verse.
4. That's not what I do, as rule.
5. Here's the link:
http://www.newdirection.ca/a_interpret.htm
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
Sorry, chess.......I had to stop reading when they pulled out the 911 argument.
askates
11-23-2006, 02:05 PM
This is classic, no wonder chess is so backwards, these are the articles he reads, this is below elementary school reading and debating, they didnt even look up the word arsenokoite, which was a word that Paul made up, and provided no definition to, all that can be speculated is what the definitions of the root words are, which suggests boy prostitute, but the bible assigned as homosexual, and king james reassigned as Sodomite, in 1611. Instead this dudes explanation is his deductions on what HE thinks it means. my fav-Jesus didn't say anything about flying airplanes into the sides of office towers, either. Does this mean that he doesn't care? Or that it's okay to fly planes into buildings? If he had been walking on this earth during the month of September, 2001, he might have said quite a bit about it. During his life, it was not relevant.
Are u F*cking serious.......lol maybe its me but i thought thou shall not kill was a commandment.
I mean seriously is this the best you can do chess, its insulting our intelligence. It sounds like it was written by seventh grader, except that a seventh grader wound definitely come up with better analogies, and wouldnt sound so fu*king ignorant and uneducated
BoogyMan
11-23-2006, 10:13 PM
Disapproval does not now nor has it ever equated to hate.
Then you must have been missing a lot of posts on this subject, Boogy..........and all of them haven't been made by chess. Some of the posts are so hateful, at times,**it makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum.
Lily, I know you will enlighten me so I must ask this question.**how does the fact that there are hateful people in every group mean that my disapproval of homosexuality is hate?
I would like for you to just once actually provide an answer to a question I ask you.**I can post for no-one else other than myself and your side of the isle's blanket statements to the effect that disapproval is hatred are patently disingenuous.
dgridley
11-23-2006, 10:25 PM
Well, I agree that you can disapprove of something without actually "hating" it but the definitions are similar depending on the level of disapproval.
Example: I may disapprove of anal sex between two males, but I don't hate the two males who engage in it.. it's just not for me is the logic I see in this.
Lol, on the other hand you could have, "I would hate to engage in anal sex and I disapprove of that particular lifestyle".. it's all semantics, baby! Like statistics, you can make it say anything, I guess.
Disapproval does not now nor has it ever equated to hate.
Then you must have been missing a lot of posts on this subject, Boogy..........and all of them haven't been made by chess. Some of the posts are so hateful, at times,**it makes me ashamed to be a member of this forum.
Lily, I know you will enlighten me so I must ask this question.**how does the fact that there are hateful people in every group mean that my disapproval of homosexuality is hate?
I would like for you to just once actually provide an answer to a question I ask you.**I can post for no-one else other than myself and your side of the isle's blanket statements to the effect that disapproval is hatred are patently disingenuous.
BoogyMan
11-23-2006, 11:12 PM
Well, I agree that you can disapprove of something without actually "hating" it but the definitions are similar depending on the level of disapproval.
Example: I may disapprove of anal sex between two males, but I don't hate the two males who engage in it.. it's just not for me is the logic I see in this.
Lol, on the other hand you could have, "I would hate to engage in anal sex and I disapprove of that particular lifestyle".. it's all semantics, baby! Like statistics, you can make it say anything, I guess.
I am only presenting MY viewpoint here dgridley, and it should be pretty obvious from my posting here that I hate no-one, however I cannot approve of homosexuality as I see it as wrong.
Branding it hate is simply a way for the practitioner of homosexuality to to red-herring the debate.
Elrathin
11-23-2006, 11:18 PM
however I cannot approve of homosexuality as I see it as wrong.
Branding it hate is simply a way for the practitioner of homosexuality to to red-herring the debate.
So If I think Christianity is wrong, and I disaprove of it, does it mean I hate it?
Lily, I know you will enlighten me so I must ask this question.**how does the fact that there are hateful people in every group mean that my disapproval of homosexuality is hate?
I would like for you to just once actually provide an answer to a question I ask you.**I can post for no-one else other than myself and your side of the isle's blanket statements to the effect that disapproval is hatred are patently disingenuous.
Boogy.........you C&Ped from the dictionary the definitions. People have alreday discussed the similarities. If you don't see the hatred of some peoples posts here towards homosexuals, then as I said,**you are blind. No where did I come out and accuse you nor did I say chess was the only one. It seems that it is open season on homosexuals on this forum. If it were a racial group, or posts directly posted about how evil Chrisianity was and people should be ashamed of their faith , Im sure there would be people screaming from the roof tops.
This is the first political forum that I have posted on that gays felt comfortable enough to openly admit they were gay and not only that, have went out of their way to try and explain why, how and to show that they are no different than you or me. Put yourself in their place........I've seen how you feel when someone has a different POV about your version of Christianity, or worse, don't believe in a God........and then to read the article linked to by chess....well that takes the cake.
Branding it hate is simply a way for the practitioner of homosexuality to to red-herring the debate.
No, branding it hate is my opinion of the way the discussion is going.
BoogyMan
11-24-2006, 12:27 AM
Boogy.........you C&Ped from the dictionary the definitions. People have alreday discussed the similarities. If you don't see the hatred of some peoples posts here towards homosexuals, then as I said,**you are blind. No where did I come out and accuse you nor did I say chess was the only one. It seems that it is open season on homosexuals on this forum. If it were a racial group, or posts directly posted about how evil Chrisianity was and people should be ashamed of their faith , Im sure there would be people screaming from the roof tops.
Lily, did you not read in this thread where I have again said that I only speak for myself?
If you don't want homosexuality debated, don't start threads about it.
This is the first political forum that I have posted on that gays felt comfortable enough to openly admit they were gay and not only that, have went out of their way to try and explain why, how and to show that they are no different than you or me. Put yourself in their place........I've seen how you feel when someone has a different POV about your version of Christianity, or worse, don't believe in a God........and then to read the article linked to by chess....well that takes the cake.
Lily, you are comparing two situations that are NOT similar. You assume that I am saying something and then based on that assumption build an argument based on fallacy.
The posts you referenced in aid of your argument were personal attacks based on my religion which you gave a pass. I have attacked no-one based on their practice of homosexuality, however, I will not accept it as normal nor cease condemnation of the practice. It is not hate, as I hate no-one.
No, branding it hate is my opinion of the way the discussion is going.
Show me where I posted hate Lily, show me.
BoogyMan
If you don't want homosexuality debated, don't start threads about it.
I have never said I don't want homosexuality debated. I clearly stated more than once, that I don't like the hate posts. There is a difference. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
The posts you referenced in aid of your argument were personal attacks based on my religion which you gave a pass.**
Actually I didn't. But I'm not going to discuss this on open forum.
Lily, you are comparing two situations that are NOT similar.**You assume that I am saying something and then based on that assumption build an argument based on fallacy.
I asked you to put yourself in their place.
Show me where I posted hate Lily, show me.
Does that make it clearer?
No where did I come out and accuse you nor did I say chess was the only one.
BoogyMan
11-24-2006, 01:21 AM
I have never said I don't want homosexuality debated. I clearly stated more than once, that I don't like the hate posts. There is a difference. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
I would have to imagine that you consider any opposition to homosexuality to be hate since you refuse to debate and resort to the forum equivalent of shouting. :)
Have a nice Thanksgiving Lily.
Elrathin
11-24-2006, 03:17 AM
I would have to imagine that you consider any opposition to homosexuality to be hate since you refuse to debate and resort to the forum equivalent of shouting. :)
If you can't see a certain poster saying Homosexuality is evil as hate, I can't help you cause you are in denial.
I guarantee you that you would see a person as a racist or hatefull if they said being black is evil.
dgridley
11-24-2006, 03:34 AM
Funny.. was just watching Pink Floyd, "The Wall" and the scene for "InThe Flesh" reminds me of the tenor of certain of the threads on this forum:
Are there any queers in the theatre tonight
Get 'em up against the wall
There's one in the spotlight
He don't look right to me
Get 'em up against the wall
That one looks Jewish
And that one's a coon
Who let all this riff raff into the room
There's one smoking a joint and
Another with spots
If I had my way I'd have all of you shot
By the way, "The Wall" is an amazing movie!
CheesyMuslim
11-24-2006, 04:15 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But if its hate or just plain repulsiveness reflected in my words, that's up to the reader to decide.
2. Being homosexual is against what Gawd says, I agree with Gawd, so to some of you, you want me labeled as a hateful person.
3. Which is a lie.
4. I have very strong views is all.
Regards,
SirJamesoTexas
askates
11-24-2006, 04:19 AM
Lets all read my signature once again:-)
CheesyMuslim
11-24-2006, 04:38 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But where is it I say the word hate there?
2. Over playing your hand again I see.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
Elrathin
11-24-2006, 05:29 AM
2. Being homosexual is against what Gawd says
No, that is what you INTERPRET god says, not that he has actually said it.
Where does Jesus Christ talk about homosexuality? Oh yeah, he DOESN'T.
CheesyMuslim
11-24-2006, 12:53 PM
Sorry bout that,
1. But condemnation is found in both Old and New Testaments.
2. It isn't hidden look for it.
3. Jesus didn't have to say anything about Homosexuality, it was a given, its an abomination, case closed as far as what Jesus needed to say.
Regards,
SIrJamesofTexas
BoogyMan
11-25-2006, 12:06 AM
2. Being homosexual is against what Gawd says
No, that is what you INTERPRET god says, not that he has actually said it.
Where does Jesus Christ talk about homosexuality?**Oh yeah, he DOESN'T.
Elrathin, Christ taught the apostles, the Holy Spirit brought all His teachings to their remembrance, they taught against homosexuality.
BoogyMan
11-25-2006, 12:13 AM
I would have to imagine that you consider any opposition to homosexuality to be hate since you refuse to debate and resort to the forum equivalent of shouting. :)
If you can't see a certain poster saying Homosexuality is evil as hate, I can't help you cause you are in denial.
I guarantee you that you would see a person as a racist or hatefull if they said being black is evil.
The bible teaches the act is evil, not the person, and you are right I would have a serious problem with someone equating race with sexual orientation.
Buck Laser
11-25-2006, 12:53 AM
I have to say that the Forum members who spend so much time worrying about the evils of homosexuality are utterly obsessed with sex! Why can't you guys obsess about some things like improving education in the public schools, or going after hunger in America, or helping to clean up our streets? Or maybe you could go after the dudes in the defense industry to see what they may be squirreling away for themselves. I'm sure a lot more damage is done by those guys than the gays you wanta bash on. Or is it that you feel you can only get away with bashing gays?
Elrathin
11-25-2006, 01:13 AM
The bible teaches the act is evil, not the person
Then again, maybe you would like to have a long talk with Chess, cause he has said that those that are homosexual are EVIL.
Well.........I don't know how long this post will stay up.......but since the bible, Jesus and the apostles have all been brought up......I can't be the only one that thinks it's odd that 13 men hung around together, day and night......and the only women mentioned with regularity is a mother and a prostiture.
BoogyMan
11-25-2006, 01:30 AM
Then again, maybe you would like to have a long talk with Chess, cause he has said that those that are homosexual are EVIL.
Elrathin, I have already said it here. Its the act, not the person. I would also remind you that I can only speak for myself and not someone else.
Alonzo
11-25-2006, 01:38 AM
I can't be the only one that thinks it's odd that 13 men hung around together, day and night......and the only women mentioned with regularity is a mother and a prostiture.
Some pornos start like that.
CheesyMuslim
11-25-2006, 01:46 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But being a homosexual deviant is evil by nature.
2. If your draw to it, your drawn into evil.
3. There is no way to avoid it folks.
4. Repent or else, you heard it before, your hearing it again.
5. Otherwise, invest in some asbestos long john underwear.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
CheesyMuslim
11-25-2006, 01:55 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But that was very anti-Gawd lily, of you.
2. And sounded more like what we heard from Kramer, something uncalled for.
3. But you live with that sweetie.
4. whats the hell a prostiture, anyways?
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
chesswarsnow
1. But that was very anti-Gawd lily, of you.
I've never claimed to be God or even God like. How is a question anti-God? Seems like a reasonable question to me.
2. And sounded more like what we heard from Kramer, something uncalled for.
Okey dokey.
3. But you live with that sweetie.
I have no problem living with it, chess. I've asked it before and if all three subjects come up, I may ask it again. You don't think that 13 men being together most of their adult life isn't a little odd, I'm happy for you........me I think it just might be a little strange.
4. whats the hell a prostiture, anyways?
You know you're in trouble in a debate when you have to resort to pointing out typos, so I won't point out yours.
CheesyMuslim
11-25-2006, 02:11 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. Oh sorry, was a typo, thought it might be a word, hehehehe.
2. I think your supposition is over the top lily.
3. And I refuse to debate it.
4. Sorry bout that.
5. Now this is where you start screaming, "I'm a ni!!er!!!!"
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
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