The end?

[Oops_pow_suprise]

The coming of the Apocalypse? Maybe... a rapture? This could be true as well. But one thing remains for sure, in the monotheistic religion of christianity, an end of the world is stated or "a second coming" a day of judgement and reconciliation. This fortelling, if you will, is starting to become manifest. Many theologists support this idea and the idea of the rapture.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Why is it that every time someone mentions the word "rapture" I think of some beautiful, dark eyed, middle eastern woman coming to enslave men?

[BoogyMan]

The coming of the Apocalypse? Maybe... a rapture? This could be true as well. But one thing remains for sure, in the monotheistic religion of christianity, an end of the world is stated or "a second coming" a day of judgement and reconciliation. This fortelling, if you will, is starting to become manifest. Many theologists support this idea and the idea of the rapture.


Since there is no biblical reference for rapture I am wondering from where this concept comes?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But when it happens won't be many folks to understand just what happened.
2. It will happen, and someday maybe be next week, who knows.
3. We do need to be ready.
4. Come quickly.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But when it happens won't be many folks to understand just what happened.
2. It will happen, and someday maybe be next week, who knows.
3. We do need to be ready.
4. Come quickly.


The rapture is about as truthful as the tooth fairy, and I know this to be true.

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But when it happens won't be many folks to understand just what happened.
2. It will happen, and someday maybe be next week, who knows.
3. We do need to be ready.
4. Come quickly.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess, I have to ask you for a reference to this event. I have NEVER been able to find any kind of rapture reference in the bible.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Sure Boogy, one reference is this, and it speaks of the Rapture, don't know the chapter and verse, so I will paraphrase, " In the twinkling of the eye, we shall be caught up".
2. Perhaps Google it, and you shall find it.
3. This is just one place you can point to it, the word Rapture isn't in the Bible, it was a word invented to represent what being caught up is.
4. But when it happens it will be more of a Rupture on the heatherns reality.
5. Because what happens next will blow their sox's off.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. Sure Boogy, one reference is this, and it speaks of the Rapture, don't know the chapter and verse, so I will paraphrase, " In the twinkling of the eye, we shall be caught up".
2. Perhaps Google it, and you shall find it.
3. This is just one place you can point to it, the word Rapture isn't in the Bible, it was a word invented to represent what being caught up is.
4. But when it happens it will be more of a Rupture on the heatherns reality.
5. Because what happens next will blow their sox's off.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


You are probably speaking of 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 which doesn't mention a rapture where some are taken and some are left, it speak of the second coming of Christ where the dead rise first and then the living.

16Â*Â*For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Â*Â*Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

I can find absolutely no reference to the modern denominational idea of "rapture."

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Jesus will appear in the far distance, and his image will be larger than can be described.
2. Being so far away at first it will take time for his arrival, and the world in general, will be predicting how fast of a speed he is traveling, and how long it will take for Him to get here.
3. But His Image will be noticeable from the naked eye., just standing outside at night.
4. And it could take minutes as far as time, but I think he will bide His time once He starts coming, to show all on Earth that he is coming, and give time for many to repent, before He gets here.
5. The Rapture will of already happened.
6. Of course He could get here in a flash, in the twinkle of an eye, but He will give it some time, but not much time.
7. Perhaps three days.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

When a bunch of leading scientists got together recently to discuss the latest in big thinking, there was no shortage of doomsday predictions. In particular, Earth's fate was painted in three shades of grim.

Sometime in the next few billion years, according to new studies presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the third rock from the sun will either freeze or fry. Unless things simply dry up much sooner.

The expanding furnace

While Earth's fate is not entirely sealed, predictions of the death of the sun are widely accepted.

The life-giving, aging star we orbit is using up its fuel supply and will collapse within 7 billion years. Before that, though, there will be an agonizing period of repeated swelling, as the sun grows into a red giant. How giant?
As the sun burns its core of hydrogen, gravity will force a collapse. When compacted, the sun will heat up and burn the small amount of hydrogen that remains in a shell wrapped around the star's core. This will force the sun to expand into a red giant. Eventually, the core will heat up enough to burn stored helium and the sun will fluctuate in size before collapsing into a white dwarf.

Out from the frying pan and into the frost

There are two possible paths to salvation, though both involve a frigid end.

"If the sun loses mass before it gets too big, then Earth moves into a larger orbit and escapes. The sun would need to lose 20 percent of its mass earlier in its evolution, and this is not what we expect to happen."

If Earth stays in its present orbit, its fate is to be fried.

Meanwhile, there is a less bad scenario

Scientists have learned that planets around other stars often follow odd-shaped orbits, indicating their paths might have been disrupted by the gravity of a passing star. So, there may be a slight possibility some future passing star or star system might, in similar fashion, kick Earth into the cosmic hinterlands.

Gregory Laughlin, of NASA's Ames Research Laboratory says the odds of the planet being ejected from the solar system are one-in-100,000.

In the meantime, the scientists do not expect, at any time, that cemetaries will disgorge its bodies and people will rise up into the clouds. There are a few scientific constants that prevent that from happening. So relax, We aint going anywhere yet.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But these leading scientist are only fooling themselves.
2. What they propose is ludacris, and day dreaming.
3. I can come up with better day dreams.
4. Not many scientists will know the Kingdom of Heaven.
5. Or where the Kingdom of Heaven will be.
6. Funny how those who claim wisdom will be proven to have none.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

6. Funny how those who claim wisdom will be proven to have none.


Yes it is. Weren't you claiming to be wise? :D

[CheesyMuslim]

6. Funny how those who claim wisdom will be proven to have none.


Yes it is.Â*Â*Weren't you claiming to be wise? :D


Sorry bout that,

1. Burdrum shing!,...drum shot!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[underdawg]

Most likely we will be hit by some sort of asteroid or perhaps we ourselves will alter our environment enough to bring about our own extinction. These events in themselves will not destroy all life on the planet, but humans most likely will not survive it. As far as Jesus coming back to save Christians from such a fate, I myself think that people have more of a chance of winning the lottery than devine intervention.

[Newscaster]

Chess, it all boils down to this........if you choose to ignore what "real" experts in the field have to say about the earth and how long we have to live on this spinning ball, that is your perogative, your right and your choice. However, be man enough to admit that the majority of the educated world thinks differently and it is not your place to criticize anyone for not believing as you do. Also, inasmuch as you have not done any scoientific study of the subject, your position is in truly shaky ground.
Oh, and by the way....Its not Burdrum shing......its barump bump, according to the late Buddy Rich, one of the world's great drummers. Your shing is considered a rim shot.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But you seem to think your ideas will take precedence.
2. When in fact the Bible will.
3. The dead will rise up.
4. Those who died with belief in Christ first, then all those others who ever lived.
5. Then those who died believing in Christ and those alive will be raptured up, into heaven.
6. Still the Earth will see an added population burst.
7. In fact it will see an huge crunch on space.
8. Then guess what, all hell breaks loose.
9. And then some very nasty diseases will run across the Planet.
10. Hunger will be common.
11. Many evils will take place.
12. Wars.
13. More Wars.
14. Death will be rampant.
15. Jews will be attacked.
16. Then it gets very interesting.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

But.........
Just before all that happens, we will have fifteen minutes of coming attractions, a Bugs Bunny cartoon and a commercial for a local newspaper. Then a slide reminder that popcorn is sold at the refreshment stand.
Then your movie starring Mel Gibson and Tom Cruise.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Newscaster guy, did you bump your head?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

chesswarsnow

5. Or where the Kingdom of Heaven will be.

Where is it going to be?

4. Those who died with belief in Christ first, then all those others who ever lived.
5. Then those who died believing in Christ and those alive will be raptured up, into heaven.

Ok.......if I've got this right, those that believe go to heaven first and those that don't go second?

[CheesyMuslim]

chesswarsnow

5. Or where the Kingdom of Heaven will be.

Where is it going to be?

4. Those who died with belief in Christ first, then all those others who ever lived.
5. Then those who died believing in Christ and those alive will be raptured up, into heaven.

Ok.......if I've got this right, those that believe go to heaven first and those that don't go second?




Sorry bout that,

1. Everyone will be resurrected.
2. But not all go to meet The Lord in heaven.
3. Those alive when that happens and believe in Jesus, will be raptured too.
4. Those who did, and do, all go to heaven at the same time only.
5. Then everyone else left behind better get ready and do some praying.
6. Because its fixing to get real ugly.
7. I would guess that 26 billion extra people will be here all at once.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

You realize don't you, CWN, that not all Xns share your particular interpretation of Judgment Day, the resurrection, the rapture, etc.? Do you also realize that folks didn't even pounce on the idea of the rapture and all that stuff until some time in the 19th century?

I guess I'd like to see some evidence that you really have the pipeline to God that you claim. Do you call him on some 900 number or something? I wonder if he's in Tulsa?

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. Everyone will be resurrected.
2. But not all go to meet The Lord in heaven.
3. Those alive when that happens and believe in Jesus, will be raptured too.
4. Those who did, and do, all go to heaven at the same time only.
5. Then everyone else left behind better get ready and do some praying.
6. Because its fixing to get real ugly.
7. I would guess that 26 billion extra people will be here all at once.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


I don't know chess......I went to catholic school for 12 years and they never taught us this. This sounds more cult like than actual for real religion. You don't handle snakes and speak in tounges do you?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I shall not provide proof.
2. Not my job description the ol man.
3. You should know that.
4. Proof isn't a thing easily discovered, or revealed.
5. That's why its all about Faith/Trust in Gawd.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Everyone will be resurrected.
2. But not all go to meet The Lord in heaven.
3. Those alive when that happens and believe in Jesus, will be raptured too.
4. Those who did, and do, all go to heaven at the same time only.
5. Then everyone else left behind better get ready and do some praying.
6. Because its fixing to get real ugly.
7. I would guess that 26 billion extra people will be here all at once.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


I don't know chess......I went to catholic school for 12 years and they never taught us this. This sounds more cult like than actual for real religion. You don't handle snakes and speak in tounges do you?


Sorry bout that,

1. What were you taught?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

chesswarsnow

2. Not my job description the ol man.

Actually chess.........you put it in your job description quite often.

1. What were you taught?

That if you live a good life andÂ*Â*obey the 10 commandments when you die you go to Heaven. Nothing about this rotting in your grave and thenÂ*Â*rising from the dead, pestilence, disease, wars and all the other hair raising things you have mentioned. Just live your life right and then you will have eternal peace.

As I've said many times before......I don't particularly care for your religion. Mine is much simpler.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But sure thats what will happen, if your Christian, and die, your spirit goes to heaven after your dead, your body stays here.
2. But that body will rise again.
3. It is written.
4. And the body of all Christians will be re-united to their spirits, in heaven.
5. But if you are a Christian, and haven't died before the rapture, you will not ever see death.
6. Also everybody gets resurrected.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

4. And the body of all Christians will be re-united to their spirits, in heaven.

Well......mine is going to be missing a lot of parts!

[Buck Laser]

4. And the body of all Christians will be re-united to their spirits, in heaven.

Well......mine is going to be missing a lot of parts!


Wonder if I'll get back that finger tip I sacrificed to the God of the Table Saw a few years ago? I sure as hell don't want my appendix or my tonsils back.:(

[Newscaster]

So if we will all go, why are some making reservations ahead of schedule?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. All those Christians here when that day comes will be given their resurrected bodies, which will be whole and healed up, and eternal.
2. Even those Christians who have died already.
3. Those non-Christians will be resurrected withÂ*eternal bodies also.
4. That could be a downer.
5. Because of the judgements about to be given out.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. All those Christians here when that day comes will be given their resurrected bodies, which will be whole and healed up, and eternal.
2. Even those Christians who have died already.
3. Those non-Christians will be resurrected withÂ*eternal bodies also.
4. That could be a downer.
5. Because of the judgements about to be given out.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


What good will our bodies be in heaven?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Jesus wants everyone resurrected.
2. Part of the Master Plan.
3. Kinda like He Himself was resurrected.
4. The resurrected body will be perfect.
5. So we can do whatever we can do now with these bodies, and perhaps even more.
6. I would dare to say, that Christians will have extra powers.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Chess............I don't know whether to take that post seriously or not!:D

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Like being able to tell if we are being lied to, or misled,
2. Being able to read whats in some one else' heart.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Chess............I don't know whether to take that post seriously or not!:D



Sorry bout that,

1. You may have a dirty mind lily.
2. I don't know why you thought that my post before wasn't clear enough.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Dirty mind? I don't see how. What you posted sounds like super heros or something out of spaceships........anyway I like this sentiment.

2. Being able to read whats in some one else' heart.

[BoogyMan]

Chess, consider the word:

Matt 22:29-30Â*Â*Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.Â*Â*For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

also consider:

1 Cor 15:35-44 35Â*Â*But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?Â*Â*Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:Â*Â*And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:Â*Â*But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.Â*Â*All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.Â*Â*There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.Â*Â*There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.Â*Â*So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:Â*Â*It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:Â*Â*It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

We know little more than the body we have in the resurrection will be a spiritual one that is comparable to that of the angels.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. That deals with the present resurrection, when we die now, our spirits are raised up.
2. But this is another resurrection, the end time resurrection, I am referring to.

Regards,
SirJamesoTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. That deals with the present resurrection, when we die now, our spirits are raised up.
2. But this is another resurrection, the end time resurrection, I am referring to.

Regards,
SirJamesoTexas


Those verses deal with the only resurrection there will be. How about book, chapter, and verse for the assertions you are making Chess?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But theirs a natural body, and a spiritual body, meaning two resurrections.
2. Both will happen to the Christian.
3. At least those who died being Christians.
4. Some heatherns, those who do not believe in The Lord, may sleep, in the grave till the final resurrection.
4. a) Then face judgement.
5. Other heatherns spirits, will suffer in hell, till the final resurrection, then be resurrected back into their natural body, and sent back into hell, at some point.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But theirs a natural body, and a spiritual body, meaning two resurrections.
2. Both will happen to the Christian.
3. At least those who died being Christians.
4. Some heatherns, those who do not believe in The Lord, may sleep, in the grave till the final resurrection.
4. a) Then face judgement.
5. Other heatherns spirits, will suffer in hell, till the final resurrection, then be resurrected back into their natural body, and sent back into hell, at some point.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess, lets have book, chapter, and verse for your claims. The text obviously points to the idea of a natural body that is here on this earth and a spiritual post-resurrection body.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I don't do CHP. and Verse, very often Boogy.
2. You should know this bud.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I don't do CHP. and Verse, very often Boogy.
2. You should know this bud.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Hi Chess,

You could very easily. Go to http://www.onlinebible.com and download a free copy. Its handy and has some great features.

I do know this is not typical for you but am hoping that our civil debate will spur you to do some digging. :)

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the End Time Resurrection, Resurrects every living thing, that ever lived.
2. It will become very crowded after the Rapture.
3. And that time will be rather tough on all life, due to the over population.
4. The Dragons will be Resurrected, which will be a huge problem, not to mention the Dinosaurs.
5. Also the Oceans will see all those who were born and died in it, rather crowded there as well.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the End Time Resurrection, Resurrects every living thing, that ever lived.
2. It will become very crowded after the Rapture.
3. And that time will be rather tough on all life, due to the over population.
4. The Dragons will be Resurrected, which will be a huge problem, not to mention the Dinosaurs.
5. Also the Oceans will see all those who were born and died in it, rather crowded there as well.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Book, chapter, and verse Chess. You are making claims that cannot be scripturally backed up.

[Professor]

4. The Dragons will be Resurrected, which will be a huge problem, not to mention the Dinosaurs.


A youth group leader I used to know claimed the devil created dinosaurs.

I've read Mark 13:26-27, 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and I don't see it saying anything about the rapture. All I've read is that the dead will rise and we will see god descend from the skies. Nothing about dinosaurs, wars, famine, or illness.


"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."



"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."



"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you have studied the Bible as I have, you would know this stuff.
2. Its all in there.
3. I won't go dig it out and show it to you folks, find it yourselves.
4. Its there.
5. Sorry bout that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you have studied the Bible as I have, you would know this stuff.
2. Its all in there.
3. I won't go dig it out and show it to you folks, find it yourselves.
4. Its there.
5. Sorry bout that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess, you need to either substantiate your claims with scripture or you need to eat some crow. I hope you like crow, because the claims you are making are just not there my friend.

[lily]

I was curious, so I googled.......kind of got lost, this subject is really interesting to read about. I mean, there are actual forums where they discuss this. Anyway, I thought I'd C&P the fairest article I could find, that discusses chess POV (http://www.religioustolerance.org/rapture.htm)

What is the rapture?
The Rapture is believed by many -- perhaps most -- born-again Protestants.
They are certain that they, alone, will engage in a mass migration in the
near future. They believe that those born-again Christians who have died
will have their bodies reconstituted and will ascend through the air, and
meet Jesus Christ in the sky. This will be followed by a second mass
migration of the born-again who are currently living.

The word "Rapture" comes from the Latin word "Rapare" which means to take
away or to snatch out. This would be a remarkable event. Pilots would
disappear from planes, truck drivers from their trucks; people from
automobiles, etc. Some born-again Christians believe that a family will be
eating dinner, when some of the members will rise from their seats, pass
through the roof and keep rising through the air.

An associated event is Christ's imminent return (also known as the "second
coming" and "parousia"). This has been expected by many Christians for
almost 2 millennia. It was described by the Greek word "parousia" (coming,
arrival, presence) during the 1st century CE. Justin Martyr introduced the
term "second coming" in the 2nd century.

Ever since Christ's death, many Christians have been expecting the second
coming in their immediate future. Most Fundamentalist and other conservative
Christians believe that The Rapture will occur when Christ first returns
towards earth. Most believe that Christ will not actually land or stay on
earth at this time; the "real" second coming will occur later, when he
returns on a horse leading an army on horseback who will exterminate one
third of the earth's population in a massive genocide. It will be
numerically the largest mass extermination of humans in history. In terms of
the percentage of humans to be killed in a genocide, it will be second only
to the flood of Noah.

The rapture concept is essentially ignored by most other Christian faith
groups. It does not form a part of any other religion. It is dismissed by
essentially all liberal Christian theologians. Many Bible handbooks,
commentaries, dictionaries and encyclopedia do not even list "rapture" in
their indices.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Oh really?
2. Maybe you should go and dig, its there bud.
3. How else would I come up with it?
4. Check out Romans 8:11.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Chess.......I was only trying to help state your position......next time I'll know better.

[BoogyMan]

Chess.......I was only trying to help state your position......next time I'll know better.


Hi Lily,

I think Chess was once again refusing to answer my call for scripture references rather than taking a shot at you. :)

[lily]

My mistake I guess, the post was right after mine.

[Elrathin]

I think Chess was once again refusing to answer my call for scripture references rather than taking a shot at you. :)


Already pointed out, but when has chess answered the call to provide proof? Yet there are those here on this board in the conservative community that still think he is a valuable debating resource because he doesn't provide it. Go figure. Another dead horse beaten.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lily, post 50, was an answer to Boogy.
2. Again you think every post I make is about you, wrong again sweetie.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

2. Again you think every post I make is about you, wrong again sweetie.

What am I suppose to think, when you don't put in the name of the person who you are responding to AND your post is right below mine?

[Newscaster]

Has it occurred to any of you that you will NOT reach a concensus over apocalypse, rapture or everyone floating up to heaven. Each person has his own opinion about what its all about and what will happen and not happen. You interpret scipture in your own way believing yourself to be infallible. Thats why you dont accept criticism and believe that if we dont believe as you believe, we are hellbound.
You dont accept the beliefs or nonbeliefs of others and thats why all this is totally pointless.

[BoogyMan]

Has it occurred to any of you that you will NOT reach a concensus over apocalypse, rapture or everyone floating up to heaven. Each person has his own opinion about what its all about and what will happen and not happen. You interpret scipture in your own way believing yourself to be infallible. Thats why you dont accept criticism and believe that if we dont believe as you believe, we are hellbound.
You dont accept the beliefs or nonbeliefs of others and thats why all this is totally pointless.


I don't accept assertions based on belief outside of scripture. It is as simple as that.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,


1. If you noticed Boogy, that the scripture you posted, earlier, spoke of animals, planets, ect., why is there a mention of that, unless they will all be brought back?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,


1. If you noticed Boogy, that the scripture you posted, earlier, spoke of animals, planets, ect., why is there a mention of that, unless they will all be brought back?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


I posted thusly:

=Bible]1 Cor 15:35-44 35Â*Â*But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?Â*Â*Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:Â*Â*And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:Â*Â*But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.Â*Â*All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.Â*Â*There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.Â*Â*There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.Â*Â*So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:Â*Â*It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:Â*Â*It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Chess if this is the verse you are talking about it is speaking of the difference between flesh and spirit, nothing ever is said about resurrecting animals.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the first part deals with the question saying something like,

*Hey Fool! or unwise one, unless and after the body dies, it can not be resurrected, the body that died, will rise but changed! Like a seed isn't the plant till it is planted, and transfer its life to the plant with roots, so is flesh not its final outcome till its planted, and raised when that time comes. And not every thing that dies is raised the same, animals ect, planets, sun, stars, all get reborn differently, when raised in that day. All things are sown, or died in dishonor, but all things will be resurrected again, in honor. The natural body along with the spiritual body shall be raised up again, and re-united.*
2. This is a translation, and I think its correct.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Chess, my friend, you have posted nothing to substantiate your claims. I cannot support your argument here.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Take my word for it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

Chess, based on the comments you have made in the past about this and other subjects.....taking your word for it is rather difficult if not impossible.

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. Take my word for it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


May I have your watch when you go?:D

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Sure you can have it, if you see me when I go up.
2. I will drop it down to you.
3. But you have to actually see me rise up into the sky, and yell, "CWN, Throw Me Your Watch, You Promised ".
4. Other wise, no dice.
5. Its a Seiko, divers watch, Silver with gold increments, silver and gold band.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas