* Liberals Don't Give As A Rule *

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the liberals more represent Scrooge.
2. Bah Humbug!
3. More likely to get a lump of coal from a liberal than friendly hand shake.
4. Liberals on the most part want everyone else to give, then take the credit for encouraging others to give, then say, "LookÂ*Â*what I did! *.
5. Liberals on average, never learnt to give, that's why they lean Liberal.
6. It fits there take on reality.
7. Unless you are a billionaire, then those do learn to give, Bill Gates for one.
8. The average Joe Blow Liberal hasn't given two cents for charity in over 20 years.
9. Here's a link:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the liberals more represent Scrooge.
2. Bah Humbug!
3. More likely to get a lump of coal from a liberal than friendly hand shake.
4. Liberals on the most part want everyone else to give, then take the credit for encouraging others to give, then say, "Look what I did! *.
5. Liberals on average, never learnt to give, that's why they lean Liberal.
6. It fits there take on reality.
7. Unless you are a billionaire, then those do learn to give, Bill Gates for one.
8. The average Joe Blow Liberal hasn't given two cents for charity in over 20 years.
9. Here's a link:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Tell you what Chess, stick it, I do give and I give time and money each year and I am a liberal. So take your generalizations and cram them. You are proven yet again to be a liar.

[CheesyMuslim]

Tell you what Chess, stick it, I do give and I give time and money each year and I am a liberal.Â*Â*So take your generalizations and cram them.Â*Â*You are proven yet again to be a liar.



Sorry bout that,

1. If you have learnt to give, you are the exception to every rule.
2. Most the Liberals I have ever known wouldn't piss on anyone if they were on fire.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Sorry bout that,

1. If you have learnt to give, you are the exception to every rule.
2. Most the Liberals I have ever known wouldn't piss on anyone if they were on fire.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Sorry but charity extends beyond political beliefs chess. You are wrong as I know MANY liberals that give each and every year.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have first hand experience with Liberals, and never got anything from them, even when I gave them things and stuffs.
2. Its a matter of experience.
3. Most Liberals I know, mock Christmas time all together.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have first hand experience with Liberals, and never got anything from them, even when I gave them things and stuffs.



I haven't received anything from conservatives. So I guess using your logic, conservatives don't give right?

[Elrathin]

3. Most Liberals I know, mock Christmas time all together.


Mocking Christmas and giving are two seperate things. People that give only during Christmas are fakes, and that is most conservatives I know.

[Technocrat]

I give lots of things during the holidays. Colds, viruses, and lots of homework.
Tis the season.



Edit: It's rather absurd of him (what's new) to claim an entire group doesn't do X. That liberals "don't give" is moronic itself, since they, as do others, pay taxes for the programmes. In fact, many actual liberals are very wealthy and pay many taxes.

Liberals tend to make up one of the largest wealth blocs of the voter typology, with high conservatives slightly ahead of them. It's not to mention that his "link" provides zero evidence for any of the claims and merely reports conclusions as if that makes them fact.

Neither conservatives nor liberals are "scrooges." That's what hard-core libertarians are. *wink*

[ECW]

1. But I have first hand experience with Liberals, and never got anything from them, even when I gave them things and stuffs.
2. Its a matter of experience.
3. Most Liberals I know, mock Christmas time all together.


Has it ever occurred to you that it isn't Liberals but maybe, just maybe, it's YOU? Abrasive, know-it-all personalities tend to turn many people off.

My family is Liberal and we celebrate Christmas every year. We give thousands each year to a charity in town we no longer live in but we do it because we believe in the charity.

So much for your "theory" about Liberals.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the Liberals I know are cheap as hell.
2. They would step over a cripple sprawled out on the side walk, to pick up a quarter.
3. This has been my experience, so I will go with it, even thou there are some here who claim different.
4. Perhaps they are an exception, who knows for sure.
5. Anyone can make claims on the Internet, which could be proven false, but I will accept those claims on their face value.
6. And like wise use a grain of salt to wash em down.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Professor]

I disagree. Not everyone believes in a god, and if no one did then there would be nothing. Forget the big things like world hunger, but a mom helping out at her kid's Christmas play. It is giving. Even if you only give to those you love, you still give. Since nearly everyone I know, christian or not celebrates Christmas and opens presents I have to say yes, people give.

I consider myself a liberal what will I be giving this Christmas? Probably not much. But I am going to help with my sister's Christmas play, I am babysitting during several concerts at the church she goes to so other people can see their kids preform. I will probably shop for my grandma since she has to stay with my grandpa because he has demencia. All those things are giving. Not outside of my circle, but yes it's more than I have to do. I am doing what I can and doing it willingly.

And no, I am not an exception. Other liberals, what are you doing?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But you do not have to expose what good works you do, or do not do.
2. This isn't a confessional.
3. If you do do good works, thats good for your soul, and the souls you help.
4. Gawd would prefer you kept it a secret.
5. For to seek some kind of praise here on DF isn't right.
6. No one is asking you too.
7. You won't be reading what if any good works that I, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser, does.
8. It isn't proper, and wouldn't motivate you to do likewise, but may spark jealousy and envy, which will not help anyone.
9. If you want to do good works by helping others I whole heartily encourage it.
10. The more you help others in secret, the more Gawd will make your life blessed.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

4. Gawd would prefer you kept it a secret.



If that is the case, then you may not know what good works liberals do, hence this whole thread is nothing but a generalization that YOU claim.

Take a look at the title, then ask if this is what god wants you to do. You are insulting others without knowing all the facts. You are judging a whole set of people that you don't even know and most likely have never met chess.

You are saying that liberals don't give as a rule, that is BS.

[Professor]

In your souce it said liberals tend to give less than conservatives.Â*Â*It didn't say that they don't give at all.Â*Â*I also think your souce is biased, it is from a religios website.Â*Â*Of course they are going to think that.Â*Â*This is the book's offical website (http://www.arthurbrooks.net/index.html).Â*Â*I think it is much fairer look at the book.

The other thing I would like to know, where did he get his information?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Professor, I got my info from the Internet.
2. And why isn't it reliable?
3. I would dare to say, that if everyone was asked that walked past those Salvation Army give buckets, those who walked and didn't give were more often to be a Liberal than a Conservative.
4. I wish some one had the balls to do that study.
5. Most the time the person who is standing there ringing the bell is homeless, and has been assigned to that store location.

Regards,
SirAJmesofTexas

[Newscaster]

I wouldnt concern myself with what Cheesswarsnow thinks about liberals and giving. He brags about how much he gives but it is the person who gives and does not brag who is the real compassionate American. Chess gives and expects a medal for his largesse. When a person gives, as millions of liberals do, they dont strut around saying "Aren't I great?" They give privately and its not just money...its also time and energy. And they accepts thanks graciously and do not criticize others for giving not enough or not at all.

In fact, if I needed charity and I knew it came from Chesswarsnow, I'd give it back.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you read, or have an ability to read and write, you can see I haven't said I give anything, or gave anything.
2. So your attack is baseless.
3. But you go learn what that means, then check back with me then.
4. If I were to give, and know beforehand that it was you I was giving to I would pull it back right before I let it go, and say, "Get a Job".

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But if you read, or have an ability to read and write, you can see I haven't said I give anything, or gave anything.


But you have said liberals don't give anything, so you're attack is baseless since you don't know what liberals give.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But El, I was generalizing.
2. It was a blanket statement.
3. It doesn't cover every Liberal, I know that.
4. But it covers a hell of a lot of em.
5. Here's my theory on why Liberals don't give in general.
6. Liberals are liberal with other peoples money, not their own, they insist on having the rich pay all or most of the taxes that support social services.
7. They insist on ending life in the womb, for convenience, rather than regarding life as true wealth, and pitch true wealth away like a used paper plate.
8. And Liberals galvanize the American Public in *General*, with the Networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, KERA, to believe the expendability of life in the womb.
9. This is a sinful act, that lands on their paper plate.
10. The Republicans are not doing enough to change this, I see a lot of foot dragging, and even that is sinful.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

Is that really your theory Chess. Well, I hate to tell you but you are wrong....from the gitgo.

[underdawg]

I know in my case CWN would be right about giving to the Salvation Army. I do not give to any Christian organizations or any religious organizations period. There are a lot of other charities to give to besides promoting Christianity in the process.

[Newscaster]

I never give to church related charities for one reason.......the way they operate. It was shortly after I returned from Vietnam and there occured an earthquake in Central America and several Air Force pilots and I were pressed into duty to ferry supplies to that country. When we landed we saw a dispute at the airport where according to the people there, twp planeloads of church provided aid was not being destributed because the quake victims were supposed to go to a church service first. My crew and I and the crew of the other AF planes wentr over to the church planes, shoved their crews aside and started unloading the supplies. They needed the food and donated clothing a lot more then they needed preaching. It was then that I decided never to contribute to those types of folks again.

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But El, I was generalizing.
2. It was a blanket statement.
3. It doesn't cover every Liberal, I know that.
4. But it covers a hell of a lot of em.
5. Here's my theory on why Liberals don't give in general.
6. Liberals are liberal with other peoples money, not their own, they insist on having the rich pay all or most of the taxes that support social services.


That's odd chess, because one of the theories in your sourced article states:

One noted that people who drink alcohol moderately are more successful and charitable than those who don't (like him).

According to him, you have to be a semi-drunk Republican,Â*Â*in order to loosen those purse strings.

[CheesyMuslim]

Is that really your theory Chess.Â*Â* Well, I hate to tell you but you are wrong....from the gitgo.


Sorry bout that,

1. Nope just the facts, Newscaster .
2. Don't forget who I am, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But from some of you we don't want your money, you can keep it, let it corrupt with you.
2. Its sad to hear that some people are so ungrateful.
3. But they are everywhere I guess.
4. Its your loss and no one no one can take that away from you, oh well.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

Chesswarsnow, I asm fully aware of who you think you are. And keep in mind, I havent noticed anyone giving you charity. Nor is it your place to determine who may or may not gives and who may or may not accept the gift.

Its obvious you dont have any understanding of poverty. Poverty is not political nor is it religious. You are the kind of guy I ran into on that Central American airstrip who attaches strings to help.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I know plenty about poverty bud.
2. But I won't go into the poor me story.
3. I have been blessed to struggle out of it, and thats what counts, and to look back is pointless to me, and self serving in the most.
4. I will tell you this, that I started working as a youth with a lawn mower I earned by watching other smaller children.
5. And I was 7 at the time.
6. I worked hard all my life.
7. I also went to school till 10th grade, was able to finish half the year, then went to work roofing in Texas.
8. So I am a prime example of how a person can make something of thyself, by pulling themselves up by their boot straps.
9. So don't lecture me that I don't know poverty ol man.
10. Some people, and larger Religious Groups, like to pray and bless those whom they give charity too, seeing you preempted that, in your trip to Central America, you took away the blessing part, of those who were to receive the blessing of material things, nice going, so called Newscaster.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

Then if you know so much about poverty, how is it you dont know anything about those who are usually the first to come forward when help is needed. How is you have concocted this strange story that political leanings dictate who helps who and why.
You are the true example of biting the hand that feeds you. You claim to be so smart aboug so many things and you have yet to exhibit any of it. Really too bad.

[Danoz]

Compare:

7. I also went to school till 10th grade, was able to finish half the year, then went to work roofing in Texas.


with:


1. But yes I have a 9th grade education, Buck is almost right.


(found here: http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=1899&pid=27083#pid27083)

[CheesyMuslim]

Compare:

7. I also went to school till 10th grade, was able to finish half the year, then went to work roofing in Texas.


with:


1. But yes I have a 9th grade education, Buck is almost right.


(found here: http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=1899&pid=27083#pid27083)



Sorry bout that,

1. But both statements are true.
2. I thinketh we have another hypocrite trying to find fault.
3. lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4. So I am a liar eh?
5. lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But do the math Danoz, if I finished the Ninth Grade, but only half the Tenth, I got a Ninth Grade education.
2. Are you really this desperate?
3. Is it just killing you to not be able to find fault, so you come hastily with this lame attack?
4. Try harder dude, but also use you brain next time.
5. Also use the new thread I made to attack the Great CWN.
6. Look for it and post stuff there dude.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

The true charitable giver does not brag about his gifts. The guy who brags is only interested in his own reputation and not he welfare of the needy.
Chess....you are a fake.

[Danoz]

My mistake oh Great CWN

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Newscaster, errrr,.... dude, This thread points out how Liberals are afraid to give, and are likely to never know how to give.
2. I never made claims of my giving dude.
3. You seem to be getting desperate to get your whacks in on the Great CWN.
4. There is the Attack The Great CWN, thread for this kind on non sense.
5. Please refrain from attacking The Great CWN, in my threads, and other ordinary threads.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

Thgere is nothing deparate about you Chess. Basically you are not a factor in my life and surely no one to became desparate about. But you do give me a great laugh every time you post something.

[lily]

5. Please refrain from attacking The Great CWN, in my threads, and other ordinary threads.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess, I don't know how you expect people to respond to your posts. You give your opinion as fact, with nothing to back it up. If a debater can't debate facts, then they have to debate the person's opinion.

[BoogyMan]

The true charitable giver does not brag about his gifts. The guy who brags is only interested in his own reputation and not he welfare of the needy.

Newscaster, you have finally posted something in which you and I can find agreement. Why so many seem to find it necessary to boast of their good works is beyond my comprehension.

[Elrathin]

Why so many seem to find it necessary to boast of their good works is beyond my comprehension.


And then we come to the core of this survey. Who is to say that those surveyed just didn't feel like bragging?

That is the main reason this thread, started by Chess BTW, is nothing more than a partisan crap fest.

[BoogyMan]

And then we come to the core of this survey.Â*Â*Who is to say that those surveyed just didn't feel like bragging?

That is the main reason this thread, started by Chess BTW, is nothing more than a partisan crap fest.

Good evening Elrathin,

I could be wrong here, but I would bet that if a liberal group had done this survey and said conservatives don't give as much as liberals you would be chest thumping over it just like Chess is with a conservative group running it.

I personally find the whole idea of the "I am more generous than you are" debate to be distasteful and unproductive.

[Elrathin]

I could be wrong here, but I would bet that if a liberal group had done this survey and said conservatives don't give as much as liberals you would be chest thumping over it just like Chess is with a conservative group running it.

You would be wrong, because if you would have heard my rants on surveys and polls, you would have realized that I know all too well how ANY POLL AND SURVEY can be manipulated to give the results a person is asking for, even if it happens to be in favor of a political position I think.

I have learned to hate ALL polls and surveys now because they are no longer un-biased for the most part. This is a proven fact for anyone who has gone for their statistics degree as my friend did.


I personally find the whole idea of the "I am more generous than you are" debate to be distasteful and unproductive.


I do to, that is why I disregard this poll as nothing more than political agenda nonsense.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I know plenty of Liberals, and they are all pretty much tight asses.
2. Most don't even go to church, to cheap to give at church too.
3. Its what it is, I don't make the News, just report it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But I know plenty of Liberals, and they are all pretty much tight asses.
2. Most don't even go to church, to cheap to give at church too.
3. Its what it is, I don't make the News, just report it.


Yeah And I know plenty of conservatives that are the same way chess. Now what?

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I know plenty of Liberals, and they are all pretty much tight asses.
2. Most don't even go to church, to cheap to give at church too.
3. Its what it is, I don't make the News, just report it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Hi Chess,

This same description could cover a lot of folks on our side of the isle as well. Beneficience is best served in secret.

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I know plenty of Liberals, and they are all pretty much tight asses.
2. Most don't even go to church, to cheap to give at church too.
3. Its what it is, I don't make the News, just report it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas



Not to bring the thread totally off topic, but what does going to church have to do with whether or not you donate money? I thought church was a place that you go to worship. Tithing and donating are two different things.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But giving is a thing done not in a closet.
2. Its done openly at times, and anonymously other times.
3. Problem is with Liberals, mostly do neither.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas