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BoogyMan
11-14-2006, 11:28 PM
SOURCE: Link Here (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/14/D8LCVEU01.html)

International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.
The report prepared for next week's meeting of the 35-nation IAEA also faulted Tehran for not cooperating with the agency's attempts to investigate suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program that have lead to fears it might be interested in developing nuclear arms. As well, the four-page paper made available to The Associated Press confirmed that Iran continues uranium enrichment experiments in defiance of the U.N. Security Council.

Earlier Tuesday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that Iran would soon celebrate completion of its nuclear fuel program and claimed the international community was ready to accept it as a nuclear state.

Iran has been locked in a standoff with the West over its nuclear program. The United States and its European allies have been seeking a U.N. Security Council resolution imposing sanctions on Tehran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment.

"Initially, they (the U.S. and its allies) were very angry. The reason was clear: They basically wanted to monopolize nuclear power in order to rule the world and impose their will on nations," Ahmadinejad told a news conference.

"Today, they have finally agreed to live with a nuclear Iran, with an Iran possessing the whole nuclear fuel cycle," he said. He did not elaborate.

President Bush said Monday there was no change in his position that Iran must first suspend uranium enrichment before there can be any dialogue with Tehran.

"Our focus of this administration is to convince the Iranians to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions. That focus is based on our strong desire for there to be peace in the Middle East. And an Iran with a nuclear weapon would be a destabilizing influence," Bush said Monday.

The Iranian leader said he hoped "to hold the big celebration of Iran's full nuclearization in the current year." Iran's current calendar year ends on March 20.

Though Ahmadinejad did not specify, he appeared to indicate that Iran was on the verge of proficiency in the whole cycle of nuclear fuel _ from extracting uranium ore to enriching it and producing nuclear fuel.

Russia, which is backed by China, opposes tough action advocated by the U.S., Britain and France, and its amendments to a Western draft resolution would reduce sanctions and delete language that would cut off Iran's access to foreign missile technology.

The U.S. and some of its allies allege that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and are suspicious of its intentions after Tehran concealed parts of its nuclear development from U.N. inspectors for many years.

Iran claims its program is peaceful and for generating electricity.

Uranium enrichment at low levels can be used to produce fuel to generate electricity but at higher levels can be use to make atomic bombs.

Iran has said it will never give up its right under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to enrich uranium and produce nuclear fuel. Officials have said they plan to generate 20,000 megawatts of electricity through nuclear energy in the next two decades.

Since revelations more than three years ago of a covert uranium enrichment program, Iran has moved to develop its capabilities, activating two small experimental enrichment plants and enriching small amounts of uranium to nuclear fuel level. Although that is far short of the weapons grade uranium that could be used for nuclear warheads, international concerns about Tehran's ultimate intentions led the Security Council to set an Aug. 31 deadline for an enrichment moratorium _ which Tehran has ignored. Officials have said they plan to have 3,000 centrifuges operating by next year _ enough to make enough material for several nuclear weapons a year.

Suspicions also are focused on Tehran's construction of a heavy water reactor that _ when completed in the next decade _ will produce plutonium waste, another pathway to nuclear weapons.

The International Atomic Energy Agency declined comment on the Iranian president's remarks.

The Bush administration, frustrated by U.N. Security Council inaction on sanctions against Iran, is pressing a new agenda _ trying to deny Tehran U.N. aid for a plutonium-producing reactor that could be used to make nuclear warheads.

Diplomats from nations on the IAEA board say the U.S. is lobbying for denial of Iran's request for help on its Arak research reactor, where Iran says it wants to produce radio isotopes for diagnosing and treating cancer.

Seven diplomats, who demanded anonymity in exchange for discussing confidential information, told The Associated Press separately Tuesday that they believed that the 35 member nations of the Vienna-based U.N. nuclear watchdog would deny Iran's request when the IAEA meets next week.

But even a total denial of technical aid for Arak, while symbolically important, is expected to do little to slow the eventual completion of the reactor, let alone Iran's nuclear program. When finished _ probably early in the next decade _ Arak could produce enough plutonium for about two bombs a year.

Labrocca
11-15-2006, 01:19 AM
It's no secret Iran is gonna have nukes soon.

lily
11-15-2006, 01:30 AM
It's no secret Iran is gonna have nukes soon.


......and three years ago we may have had some influence.

Iran has said it will never give up its right under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to enrich uranium and produce nuclear fuel.

We may not like it, but they are allowed to produce nuclear fuel.

NortheastCynic
11-15-2006, 01:45 AM
It's no secret Iran is gonna have nukes soon.In my opinion, Iran is gonna have nukes soon, and then they'll have craters where nukes once were. Israel is not going to stand for a government that wants it wiped off the map with nuclear weapons.

-NC

BoogyMan
11-15-2006, 01:50 AM
It's no secret Iran is gonna have nukes soon.


......and three years ago we may have had some influence.

Iran has said it will never give up its right under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to enrich uranium and produce nuclear fuel.

We may not like it, but they are allowed to produce nuclear fuel.


Nuclear fuel is the least of our worry. Electricity production is not done with Plutonium. This is much too serious to try and explain away with a veiled shot at the administration.

I would appreciate your explanation of what influence we could have had over an apocalyptically minded xenophobe Lily?

Elrathin
11-15-2006, 02:46 AM
I would appreciate your explanation of what influence we could have had over an apocalyptically minded xenophobe Lily?


"Axis of Evil" speech anyone? Sorry, but while I will not put full blame of Iran's situation on this administration, it certainly has provoked them to hurry up any development of nukes.

BoogyMan
11-15-2006, 02:52 AM
I would appreciate your explanation of what influence we could have had over an apocalyptically minded xenophobe Lily?


"Axis of Evil" speech anyone?Â*Â*Sorry, but while I will not put full blame of Iran's situation on this administration, it certainly has provoked them to hurry up any development of nukes.


Good evening Elrathin,

Can you prove that supposition? I don't know that you can, but would welcome your commentary. I hope that you are not denying the apocalyptic leanings of Ahmadinejad.

Elrathin
11-15-2006, 03:00 AM
Good evening Elrathin,

Can you prove that supposition? I don't know that you can, but would welcome your commentary. I hope that you are not denying the apocalyptic leanings of Ahmadinejad.


Prove what, that the "axis of evil" speech was provocative? Of course it was, that is a no-brainer. And no, I am not going to say that Iran hasn't become quite apocalyptic in their speeches towards Israel. However, what do you want to do. Invade Iran? Attack Iran? For what? Speeches?

How many wars you want to fight at the same time. I hear it all the time from conservatives. "Oh let's attack North Korea", "Let's attack Iran", Let's attack SYria", etc. When does it end with conservatives? We have Iraq and Afghanistan still on our plates and we cannot seem to get either under control.

Short of Iran actually launching at Israel, the U.S. cannot afford to go to war with Iran, nor North Korea or Syria. Short of an all out military attack on one of our allies by a country, we cannot go to war.

This administration has done something that I thought no adminisration could do. Show the world that we cannot handle an insurgency in Iraq. because we can't win the trust of the majority of the people for them to stand up and fight.

BoogyMan
11-15-2006, 03:16 AM
Prove what, that the "axis of evil" speech was provocative?Â*Â*Of course it was, that is a no-brainer.Â*Â*And no, I am not going to say that Iran hasn't become quite apocalyptic in their speeches towards Israel. However, what do you want to do.Â*Â*Invade Iran?Â*Â*Attack Iran?Â*Â*For what?Â*Â*Speeches?

How many wars you want to fight at the same time.Â*Â*I hear it all the time from conservatives.Â*Â*"Oh let's attack North Korea", "Let's attack Iran", Let's attack SYria", etc.Â*Â*When does it end with conservatives?Â*Â*We have Iraq and Afghanistan still on our plates and we cannot seem to get either under control.

Elrathin, that speech was truth!Â*Â*Did I say ANYTHING at all about attacking Iran?Â*Â*You have made an argument based on an incorrect assumption that you understood from where I was coming.

Short of Iran actually launching at Israel, the U.S. cannot afford to go to war with Iran, nor North Korea or Syria.Â*Â*Short of an all out military attack on one of our allies by a country, we cannot go to war.

This administration has done something that I thought no adminisration could do.Â*Â*Show the world that we cannot handle an insurgency in Iraq.Â*Â*because we can't win the trust of the majority of the people for them to stand up and fight.

I am all for discussing Iraq, but that is not the topic at hand here.Â*Â*We ARE discussing the fact that plutonium has been found in Iran.Â*Â*What will it take for you to consider this with the requisite seriousness?Â*Â*All partisanship aside this is an extremely scary turn of events which validates the concern that was originally expressed.

lily
11-15-2006, 03:18 AM
BoogyMan


Nuclear fuel is the least of our worry.Â*Â*Electricity production is not done with Plutonium.Â*Â*This is much too serious to try and explain away with a veiled shot at the administration.
Veiled shot? I thought it was crystal clear. Boogy, I'm sorry but I'm not going to get too excited over unexplained plutonium in the water.........seems we already got into one war on assumptions. I'm sorry, I don't remember if it was you or Rider who when I spoke of IAE there wasn't much respect for them.


I would appreciate your explanation of what influence we could have had over an apocalyptically minded xenophobe Lily?

Well, lets see El already mentioned the axis of evil speech and the obvious we have no man power, but he left out a few other things.....we also have no money, no backing by any other country, Russia and China are against it, we have a reputation of invading countries.........but let me get back to that vieled shot.......again Bush called for elections in the Middle East........they had elections and this is what they elected. Some one that would protect them from him.

Now I already know how you feel about talking to alphabet soup name .....so we just better hope that for now they are using their nuclear for power and not weapons and that they won't be that far for 2 years and some body with some diplomacy and respect gets into office.

NortheastCynic


In my opinion, Iran is gonna have nukes soon, and then they'll have craters where nukes once were. Israel is not going to stand for a government that wants it wiped off the map with nuclear weapons.

Well, then Israel's secret will be out.........do they have them or don't they?

Elrathin
11-15-2006, 03:23 AM
I am all for discussing Iraq, but that is not the topic at hand here. We ARE discussing the fact that plutonium has been found in Iran. What will it take for you to consider this with the requisite seriousness? All partisanship aside this is an extremely scary turn of events which validates the concern that was originally expressed.


I agree, but again, what are you wanting to do about it? Complaining about it is not going to make it go away. Pointing fingers is not going to make it go away. I don't think we can financially handle a war with Iran. So what does that leave? Diplomacy.

If Iran wants to get froggy and jump, then we will jump with them and war will be a necessity.

BoogyMan
11-15-2006, 03:34 AM
Veiled shot? I thought it was crystal clear. Boogy, I'm sorry but I'm not going to get too excited over unexplained plutonium in the water.........seems we already got into one war on assumptions. I'm sorry, I don't remember if it was you or Rider who when I spoke of IAE there wasn't much respect for them.

Well, lets see El already mentioned the axis of evil speech and the obvious we have no man power, but he left out a few other things.....we also have no money, no backing by any other country, Russia and China are against it, we have a reputation of invading countries.........but let me get back to that vieled shot.......again Bush called for elections in the Middle East........they had elections and this is what they elected. Some one that would protect them from him.

Lily your hatred for the president has blinded you to the importance of this discovery. I truly think you should consider that the left has held up Mohammed Elbaradei and the IAEA as the definitve word where such matters are concerned. Unexplained plutonium was NOT found in the water Lily, it was found in a sample of HEU, highly enriched uranium. I don't believe that I have ever commented on the IAEA here Lily, but if I am wrong please correct me. Plutonium is not an assumption, its a death knell.

Now I already know how you feel about talking to alphabet soup name .....so we just better hope that for now they are using their nuclear for power and not weapons and that they won't be that far for 2 years and some body with some diplomacy and respect gets into office.

Once again abject partisanship and hatred for the president make your line of argumentation specious Lily. Diplomacy is NOT going to work with a man who is arguably the greatest threat to the world in our time.

What has to happen before you will realize this? Does Israel have to be nuked first?

Well, then Israel's secret will be out.........do they have them or don't they?

Is this an attempt to equivocate Iran holding nuclear weapons with Israel holding nuclear weapons? If so, I would love to hear your explanation of how such an equivocation is justified.

lily
11-15-2006, 03:58 AM
BoogyMan


Lily your hatred for the president has blinded you to the importance of this discovery.

Oh for crying out loud, boogy........you accuse me of this every time I discuss this administration.

Unexplained plutonium was NOT found in the water Lily, it was found in a sample of HEU, highly enriched uranium.

From your article.

International Atomic Energy experts have found unexplained plutonium and enriched uranium traces in a nuclear waste facility in Iran and have asked Tehran for an explanation, an IAEA report said Tuesday.

Â* I don't believe that I have ever commented on the IAEA here Lily, but if I am wrong please correct me.

As I said, it was either you or Rider.......must have been Rider.

Plutonium is not an assumption, its a death knell.Â*Â*

Forgive me for not getting excited every time Iran rattles it's saber.


Once again abject partisanship and hatred for the president make your line of argumentation specious Lily.

A twofer!!!!

Â*Diplomacy is NOT going to work with a man who is arguably the greatest threat to the world in our time.Â*Â*

Next week it'll be Kim Jong Mentally Ill.

What has to happen before you will realize this?Â*Â*Does Israel have to be nuked first?

You know......if there is anything I've learned in this past year it's that Israel is completely capable of taking care of herself.



Is this an attempt to equivocate Iran holding nuclear weapons with Israel holding nuclear weapons?Â*Â*If so, I would love to hear your explanation of how such an equivocation is justified.

Not at all........if they have them, I don't believe they are allowed to have them.

BoogyMan
11-15-2006, 04:09 AM
Oh for crying out loud, boogy........you accuse me of this every time I discuss this administration.

Well Lily, you know what they say, if the shoe fits...... :)

Were you attempting to argue that the plutonium traces were found in water? If so you didn't post anything to backup that claim.

Forgive me for not getting excited every time Iran rattles it's saber.

Iran rattled nothing, Mohammed Elbaradei's folks rattled this one and it should sober some people up.

A twofer!!!!

I see there won't be any substantive debate with you on this topic.

Next week it'll be Kim Jong Mentally Ill.

Ditto my previous comment.

lily
11-15-2006, 04:13 AM
Were you attempting to argue that the plutonium traces were found in water?Â*Â*If so you didn't post anything to backup that claim.

Just quoting from your article.

I see there won't be any substantive debate with you on this topic.

Well, ok then........I guess we're done. Nice talking to you. Goodnight.

BoogyMan
11-15-2006, 04:17 AM
I am all for discussing Iraq, but that is not the topic at hand here.Â*Â*We ARE discussing the fact that plutonium has been found in Iran.Â*Â*What will it take for you to consider this with the requisite seriousness?Â*Â*All partisanship aside this is an extremely scary turn of events which validates the concern that was originally expressed.


I agree, but again, what are you wanting to do about it?Â*Â*Complaining about it is not going to make it go away.Â*Â*Pointing fingers is not going to make it go away.Â*Â*I don't think we can financially handle a war with Iran.Â*Â*So what does that leave?Â*Â*Diplomacy.

If Iran wants to get froggy and jump, then we will jump with them and war will be a necessity.


The point is I don't have the answer, I would like to discuss the problem without all the partisan hackery.

Diplomacy? How do you go about diplomacy with an apocalyptic nut who believes he will bring about the muslim twelfth imam and in doing so crush the "infidel."

Link Here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/14/wiran14.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/14/ixworld.html)