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MAP2010.wireless
11-13-2006, 09:51 PM
How do you feel, should we do something about Global Warming?
Al Gore would be great.

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Department of Global Warming.

I would never vote Dems in any office but this would be one I would vote for.

This is not a joke, its for real.

I want Al Gore to be the leader of Department of Global Warming.
I would not vote for him for anything other then this but.
We need some one who will do something and he will.

Please Join with Al Gore. (http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/default.asp)

Mark

MAP2010.wireless
11-13-2006, 10:11 PM
This is why it would be good:

When we need to STOP using gas and find something better, Al Gore would be the one who would Speak up.

And NO we don't need more Oil Regs to hurt our Earth.
And NO we don't just need too buy more.

We need to STOP buying Oil.
We need to STOP Drilling for Oil.

Al Gore would be able to help place laws to force Oil Company to go from Oil to Better Fuel Ideas.

If we start this others will follow in the World.

Please Vote.

Mark

firefox
11-14-2006, 07:55 AM
Growing government won't solve the problem, especially since it is the single largest polluter in the US. Second are the largest industrial companies that have special deals with politicians. We need to cut the corporate welfare for the aging oil industry so that alternative fuels can take off with a more level (non government manipulated) playing field.

Buck Laser
11-14-2006, 02:44 PM
The US needs an environmental policy that isn't driven by the interests of the energy industries and other corporations that produce large amounts of pollution or change land features so seriously that they affect climate. That would include heavy manufacturers, smaller ones that use especially toxic by-products (e.g., chip manufacturers), real estate developers, and agribusinesses that strip rain forests for the sake of a few years of production.

These voices should be heard, but not to the detriment of populations who lack the financial resources to get their messages heard. I believe most if not all the resistance to efforts to counter global warming comes from short-sighted entrepreneurs who have no concern about anything beyond immediate profits.

I don't think we need a Global Warming Department so much as we need a
strategy. President Cheney fashioned the existing energy policy working with energy industry executives whom he refuses to name. In my opinion this constitutes a criminal act.

As to Al Gore: he won the popular vote in 2000, and he's still the smartest man out there. And God knows he's better acquainted with integrity than Dubya and his handlers. So...Al Gore, the Once and Future President!!!

NortheastCynic
11-14-2006, 02:50 PM
Well, on this issue I stray from the Libertarian Party slightly. While I do agree with Firefox that siginficantly shrinking the gov't would do wonders in improving the environment and that corporate welfare should be phased out, I do think that the government needs to put stricter limitations on fossil fuel emissions and give tax breaks for environmental friendliness. In addition the gov't should also promote alternative fuels and offer grants to organizations developing them

However, the "Department of Global Warming" is a completely unnecessary and redundant addition to the Federal Beauracracy. We already have an Environmenal Protection Agency, and Global Warming clearly falls under their jurisdiction. As BuckLaser put it "we need a strategy, not another department." Well put.

-NC

MAP2010.wireless
11-14-2006, 10:02 PM
Well, on this issue I stray from the Libertarian Party slightly.Â*Â*While I do agree with Firefox that siginficantly shrinking the gov't would do wonders in improving the environment and that corporate welfare should be phased out, I do think that the government needs to put stricter limitations on fossil fuel emissions and give tax breaks for environmental friendliness.Â*Â*In addition the gov't should also promote alternative fuels and offer grants to organizations developing them

However, the "Department of Global Warming" is a completely unnecessary and redundant addition to the Federal Beauracracy.Â*Â*We already have an Environmenal Protection Agency, and Global Warming clearly falls under their jurisdiction.Â*Â*As BuckLaser put it "we need a strategy, not another department."Â*Â*Well put.

-NC


I see your point, but nothing has been done.
Environmenal Protection Agency should have a person who has stong leader and thats what the Department of Global Warming would handle.
Why call it Department of Global Warming, this covers all areas as well but puts in right in our faces and we can't say Oh I did not know.

Thanks to all that have voted.

Mark

Elrathin
11-14-2006, 10:33 PM
I see your point, but nothing has been done.
Environmenal Protection Agency should have a person who has stong leader and thats what the Department of Global Warming would handle.
Why call it Department of Global Warming, this covers all areas as well but puts in right in our faces and we can't say Oh I did not know.


Wait a minute, so the current GOVERNMENT agency that is supposed to be handling it, isn't handling it very well.Â*Â*So you think that if you create ANOTHER GOVERNMENT agency, that one would do better?

I really don't see the logic in that.

NortheastCynic
11-14-2006, 10:58 PM
My sentiments exactly Elrathin.

-NC

MAP2010.wireless
11-14-2006, 11:03 PM
I see your point, but nothing has been done.
Environmenal Protection Agency should have a person who has stong leader and thats what the Department of Global Warming would handle.
Why call it Department of Global Warming, this covers all areas as well but puts in right in our faces and we can't say Oh I did not know.


Wait a minute, so the current GOVERNMENT agency that is supposed to be handling it, isn't handling it very well.Â*Â*So you think that if you create ANOTHER GOVERNMENT agency, that one would do better?

I really don't see the logic in that.


We need to give a voice to this problem, if there was a person who could speak up and do something it would be good.

Yes right now nothing is being done, so your idea is what do nothing?
Even if we don't do what I say is a good idea, we still should do something.

NortheastCynic
11-14-2006, 11:09 PM
Again MAP, why can't that voice be the head of the EPA? Why is it necessary to ADD to the bureucracy in order to "give a voice" to the problem?

-NC

MAP2010.wireless
11-14-2006, 11:17 PM
Again MAP, why can't that voice be the head of the EPA?Â*Â*Why is it necessary to ADD to the bureucracy in order to "give a voice" to the problem?

-NC



Your right but its idea, even if my idea is not good.
We need some one who has just one that is good.
I do not feel i have it right, but if I say what I think others might let me know what they think.

We just need to Stop Global Warming.

Thanks to every one who has posted even if you don't like my post.

Mark

Elrathin
11-14-2006, 11:18 PM
We need to give a voice to this problem, if there was a person who could speak up and do something it would be good.

Yes right now nothing is being done, so your idea is what do nothing?
Even if we don't do what I say is a good idea, we still should do something.


My idea is not to do nothing, it is to fix what we already have. Your idea is just going to create another agency that does nothing if the original problem is not fixed. Do you see my point now?

If nothing is being done NOW, creating a new agency isn't going to all of a sudden make something be done about it. Fix the bearocracy first. Making another agency isn't going to fix it.

MAP2010.wireless
11-14-2006, 11:26 PM
We need to give a voice to this problem, if there was a person who could speak up and do something it would be good.

Yes right now nothing is being done, so your idea is what do nothing?
Even if we don't do what I say is a good idea, we still should do something.


My idea is not to do nothing, it is to fix what we already have.Â*Â*Your idea is just going to create another agency that does nothing if the original problem is not fixed.Â*Â*Do you see my point now?

If nothing is being done NOW, creating a new agency isn't going to all of a sudden make something be done about it.Â*Â*Fix the bearocracy first.Â*Â*Making another agency isn't going to fix it.


This is a big deal just as big as our Freedom.
We can't just leave this to any President this needs to be done now.
We must give that group the power to speak up and bring it to light.

BoogyMan
11-15-2006, 12:33 AM
We need to give a voice to this problem, if there was a person who could speak up and do something it would be good.

Yes right now nothing is being done, so your idea is what do nothing?
Even if we don't do what I say is a good idea, we still should do something.

Hi Map,

I can agree that something must be done, but I cannot get behind the creation of another huge arm of the government to do what the EPA should already be doing. I am so ideologically different from Al Gore that I don't think I could support him for much of anything.

What kind of actions do you suggest this new agency begin with?

MAP2010.wireless
11-15-2006, 12:42 AM
We need to give a voice to this problem, if there was a person who could speak up and do something it would be good.

Yes right now nothing is being done, so your idea is what do nothing?
Even if we don't do what I say is a good idea, we still should do something.

Hi Map,

I can agree that something must be done, but I cannot get behind the creation of another huge arm of the government to do what the EPA should already be doing.Â*Â*I am so ideologically different from Al Gore that I don't think I could support him for much of anything.

What kind of actions do you suggest this new agency begin with?


This would let small companies come up with a non-oil fuel and stop other stuff too Stop Global Warming.

I don't agree with most of what Al Gore has to say, but he would be a good person on Global Warming. I would never vote any Dem I know in any office but this one. So because nothing has been done it would be nice to have some one who would speak their mind.

The EPA is very laid back when it comes to Global Warming, I would ask if they are back from their (lunch break).

But this is just to get people to think and come up with ideas.

Mark

Elrathin
11-15-2006, 03:05 AM
This would let small companies come up with a non-oil fuel and stop other stuff too Stop Global Warming.


And tell me why can't those small companies come up with this now? What makes the creation of another GOVERNMENT RUN AGENCY able to do this when a GOVERNMENT RUN AGENCY NOW can't do this?

MAP2010.wireless
11-15-2006, 03:24 AM
This would let small companies come up with a non-oil fuel and stop other stuff too Stop Global Warming.


And tell me why can't those small companies come up with this now?Â*Â*What makes the creation of another GOVERNMENT RUN AGENCY able to do this when a GOVERNMENT RUN AGENCY NOW can't do this?


Oil Comanies are paying a lot of money to keep it where they are the only fuel.

So do you have an Idea? If so let us know.

Elrathin
11-15-2006, 03:29 AM
Oil Comanies are paying a lot of money to keep it where they are the only fuel.

So do you have an Idea? If so let us know.


I already said it. Fix what we have now. We don't need another government run agency to ignore the problem as well. You change things by votes, you change things by forcing the government to recognize we have a problem and you hold politicians accountable when they ignore that.

MAP2010.wireless
11-15-2006, 03:34 AM
Oil Comanies are paying a lot of money to keep it where they are the only fuel.

So do you have an Idea? If so let us know.


I already said it.Â*Â*Fix what we have now.Â*Â*We don't need another government run agency to ignore the problem as well.Â*Â*You change things by votes, you change things by forcing the government to recognize we have a problem and you hold politicians accountable when they ignore that.


How would you do that? Do you know some one who will make it happen? This is something we need to do fast.

firefox
11-15-2006, 05:55 AM
What do you all think about selling off some or most of these public lands to private environmental protection groups? They don't have any alterior political motivations, and aren't likely to sell out the environment for the benefit of political allies. BTW, I like your signature, Northeast Cynic! Are you in NH by any chance?

Elrathin
11-15-2006, 06:53 AM
How would you do that? Do you know some one who will make it happen? This is something we need to do fast.


It's called voting. When people realize that the better. As soon as people get involved in politics and quit voting partisan without knowing any issues the candidates have, we will be better off.

Until then the politicians will screw us, the government will allow it, and nothing will be done even if we add another agency called "The department of Global Warming".

It is in the people's hands and they are the ones that are dropping the ball. This country has the best checks and balances of power there is of any country in the world, but it requires the people know, understand, and be involved in politics.

MAP2010.wireless
11-15-2006, 07:07 AM
How would you do that? Do you know some one who will make it happen? This is something we need to do fast.


It's called voting.Â*Â*When people realize that the better.Â*Â*As soon as people get involved in politics and quit voting partisan without knowing any issues the candidates have, we will be better off.

Until then the politicians will screw us, the government will allow it, and nothing will be done even if we add another agency called "The department of Global Warming".

It is in the people's hands and they are the ones that are dropping the ball.Â*Â*This country has the best checks and balances of power there is of any country in the world, but it requires the people know, understand, and be involved in politics.


Thats why I like Al Gore.

Nathan Brazil
11-26-2006, 06:07 AM
What do you all think about selling off some or most of these public lands to private environmental protection groups?

That's a damn stupid idea. The enviro-whacko groups don't have any money. If publicly held land is going to be sold, it should be sold for one purpose only, to raise money to erase the national debt. Which means auction to the highest bidder.

And once commerce has control of the land, once it's no longer tied up in non-productive hands, that property can be used to stimulate economic growth, which will, naturally, increase domestic energy demand and put more C02 into the air.

Then again, there's no reason to create an overreaching Department of Global Warming. Not only has it not really been established that the trend in global climate is towards warmer, but there's absolutely no evidence and clearly no real discussion, that a warmer globe is worse than what we've got today.

Can the Chicken Littles just all go to Mammoth Caverns and let the rest of us be at peace outside in the sunshine?


They don't have any alterior political motivations, and aren't likely to sell out the environment for the benefit of political allies. BTW, I like your signature, Northeast Cynic! Are you in NH by any chance?


Say what? You mean Green Peice, one of the agitator arms for the former Soviet Union which eventually elected the architect of the Afghanistan War to it's presidency doesn't have an "ulterior" motive? That the Sierra Club, which refused to support anti-invasion legislation when confronted with overwhelming irrefutable damage the Mexican invasion of the United States has done to the lands the Sierra Club is dedicated to protecting, doesn't have an ulterior motive?

Better wake up.