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lily
11-12-2006, 05:06 PM
Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/11/AR2006111101103.html?referrer=email)

Rove Remains Steadfast in the Face of Criticism

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 12, 2006; Page A01

For a man still climbing out of the rubble, Karl Rove seemed in his usual
unflappable mood. He roamed around his windowless West Wing office decorated
with four Abraham Lincoln portraits, joking with his staff, stuffing copies
of "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" into his bag and signing the last paperwork
of the day.

The Architect, as President Bush once called him, has a theory for why the
building fell down. "Get me the one-pager!" he cried out to an aide, who
promptly delivered a single sheet of paper that had been updated almost
hourly since the midterm elections with a series of statistics explaining
that the "thumping" Bush took was not such a thumping after all.


The theory is this: The building's infrastructure was actually quite sound.
It was bad luck and seasonal shifts in the winds that blew out the walls --
complacent candidates, an ill-timed Mark Foley page scandal and the
predictable cycles of history. But the foundation is fine: "The Republican
philosophy is alive and well and likely to reemerge in the majority in
2008."

The rest of Washington might think Tuesday's elections were a repudiation of
Rove's brand of politics, but Rove does not. For years, he has been the
center of hyperbolic attention -- called the genius, the electoral
mastermind, the most powerful presidential adviser in a century, Bush's
brain, the master of the dark arts of wedge politics, the Republican Moses
leading conservatives out of the desert.

The mythology grew to such an outsized degree that when Rove insisted again
and again during the campaign that Republicans would win despite the odds,
fearful Democrats convinced themselves that he must have known something
they did not and waited for an October surprise to spring. Rove encouraged
that with supreme confidence. "You are entitled to your math, and I'm
entitled to the math," he told a National Public Radio interviewer who
suggested Democrats might win.

It turns out that Rove is mortal after all, and not always so good at math.
And his critics are crowing. If he tuned in to CNN or NPR last week, here's
a sampling of what he would have heard about himself.

Richard Viguerie, the conservative direct-mail pioneer: "Clearly a loss for
George Bush, Karl Rove."

Andrew Sullivan, the conservative writer: "Shows him not to be a genius, but
to be a real failure as a political strategist."

Bill Maher, the political satirist: "Karl Rove has led this Republican Party
down a hole."

David Gergen, ex-presidential adviser: "He went off to hardliners, and that
left an awful lot of moderates . . . feeling alienated."

Even Bush seemed to be jabbing at Rove in the aftermath of the elections,
which handed Congress back to the Democrats. At a news conference Wednesday,
Bush was asked about his ongoing book-reading contest with Rove. "I'm
losing," Bush said tartly. "I obviously was working harder in the campaign
that he was."

But those who interpret that as anything more than an affectionate, if edgy,
dig misunderstand the president's sense of humor and his relationship with
his chief strategist, according to officials. Bush likes to needle Rove,
even nicknaming him "Turd Blossom," but aides said he does not blame his
adviser for the loss, and few believe Rove will lose his job. Instead, he
will turn to figuring out a policy and political agenda that can salvage the
last two years of the Bush presidency.

cs0564
11-12-2006, 06:27 PM
Right or worng most conservatives do not change their views as often as the wind blows! When did it become wrong to be someone of conviction?

wonder cow
11-12-2006, 07:03 PM
I think a congressional investigation of the Plame situation is in order.

Then Mr. Rove can be steadfast in the face of other stuff. He can hold his ground against prison guards and the rapists up in G block and the gangsters out in the yard.

cs0564
11-12-2006, 07:06 PM
Carville nor Clinton ever had to do any time inthe Big House. I guess if they got away with it than anyone can! Well unless your Susan McDougal! She spent a little time loving Bush....................Oops I mean bush :)

wonder cow
11-12-2006, 07:09 PM
She spent a little time loving Bush....................Oops I mean bush
:) :)

lily
11-12-2006, 11:57 PM
Wonder Cow

I think a congressional investigation of the Plame situation is in order.

I think Fitzpatrick did his job. If anything else comes out, it'll have to come out in Libby's trial. There is a time where you just have to drop it.

Cs0654

Carville nor Clinton ever had to do any time inthe Big House.

....again there is a time where you just have to drop it.

ECW
11-13-2006, 05:55 AM
The repudiation of Rove and his fear-mongering campaigns is the sweetest part of watching the Democratic victory parade. He can wander off and tell himself whatever he wants. He got his ass handed to him on November 7th. I guess he gets an "F" in math.

Labrocca
11-13-2006, 08:33 AM
For all we know this is part of the Rove strategy. To lose here in mid-term..let the Dems make everything look like crap for 2 years..then we get a GOP white house again in 2008 and possibly 2012 too. No one will like to remember these next 2 years. I can guarantee you this. Taxes will go up...the dems won't get anything done and the next guy in line to be President will be a Republican because of that. Rove is one slick guy...this could all be planned. Personally for weeks now it's appeared the Dems would win and very very little was done. This isn't like Rove.

ECW
11-13-2006, 10:18 PM
For all we know this is part of the Rove strategy.Â*Â* To lose here in mid-term..let the Dems make everything look like crap for 2 years..then we get a GOP white house again in 2008 and possibly 2012 too.Â*Â*No one will like to remember these next 2 years. I can guarantee you this.Â*Â*Taxes will go up...the dems won't get anything done and the next guy in line to be President will be a Republican because of that.Â*Â*Rove is one slick guy...this could all be planned.Â*Â*Personally for weeks now it's appeared the Dems would win and very very little was done.Â*Â*This isn't like Rove.


Losing has never been part of the Rove strategy because losing means giving up power and that is not in the neo-con hand book. Very little was done because he thought, like Chimpy did, once people got into the polling booth, they would wake up and vote GOP. That didn't happen. It was the arrogance of power that caused them to lose sight of the people and the people made them pay.

You may not want to remember the next two years but I will. If you think there was a firestorm because of corruption and fraud in the last six months, wait until the oversight investigations bring what's been going on behind closed doors. It will curl your hair.

Democrats will be very careful not to overreach. Congressional leaders have already said that they will not run Congress the way the GOP did. EVERYONE will get to participate in conference committees. EVERYONE will get to try and amend bills once they come to the floor. Time limits to vote on bills will not be extended (the way they were under GOP rule) to give the arm twisters time to make shady deals in exchange for votes. Ethics will be probed swiftly and thoroughly and perverts will not be protected. If your taxes go up, it will be because you have been underpaying them the last six years and contributing to the deficit that Chimpy ran up with his Rich Folks Tax Giveaway back in 2001. Those who make more will pay more.

One last thing: I am certain that voting methods will be tightened up before the next presidential election. Verifiable methods of counting votes and proof of voting choices will become standard nationwide preventing any more stealing elections. You haven't won 2008 yet.

cs0564
11-13-2006, 11:51 PM
Democrats will be very careful not to overreach. Congressional leaders have already said that they will not run Congress the way the GOP did. EVERYONE will get to participate in conference committees. EVERYONE will get to try and amend bills once they come to the floor. Time limits to vote on bills will not be extended (the way they were under GOP rule) to give the arm twisters time to make shady deals in exchange for votes. Ethics will be probed swiftly and thoroughly and perverts will not be protected. If your taxes go up, it will be because you have been underpaying them the last six years and contributing to the deficit that Chimpy ran up with his Rich Folks Tax Giveaway back in 2001. Those who make more will pay more.

Whatever your smoking has to be illegal. Please, by all means, remind us nect year how "fair" the Liberals have been. They have had such a stellor track record of fairness in the past. Their ethics are so high (much like they are most of the time) that I will have to say their untouchable. At least Dirty Harry was on his land deal!


One last thing: I am certain that voting methods will be tightened up before the next presidential election. Verifiable methods of counting votes and proof of voting choices will become standard nationwide preventing any more stealing elections. You haven't won 2008 yet.


Wrong again! Democrats have voted against tightening up voting stnadards too many times to believe this. Where is my picture voting card anyway? Guess what? I will not be getting one anytime soon! Guess why? Liberals don't want them! Guess why again? Dead people, dogs, cats, and illegals will no longer be able to vote!

lily
11-14-2006, 12:23 AM
For all we know this is part of the Rove strategy.Â*Â*


HAHAHAHAHAH

::cough spurt gasp::

AHAHAHAHAHA

cs0564
11-14-2006, 12:36 AM
Message to Liberals:

Rove is not the devil! He is merely an advisor. Why is it an issue that he isn't curled up under Bush's desk in the fetal position? He doesn't really run anything! He advises the President! Give this guy a break!

ps. Rush Limbaugh is also, NOT the Devil!

Buck Laser
11-14-2006, 01:41 AM
Message to Liberals:

Rove is not the devil! He is merely an advisor. Why is it an issue that he isn't curled up under Bush's desk in the fetal position? He doesn't really run anything! He advises the President! Give this guy a break!

ps. Rush Limbaugh is also, NOT the Devil!


No. Rush and Karl are advisors to the devil.:P

Actually, I think Poppy and the other grownups are gonna clean house at 1600 Pennsylvania. It may or may not be too late. My guru, Molly Ivins, things Bush 41 is ethically challenged, but not so badly as Bush 43. Rove will go, as Cheney will, but the departure of neither will be as surgically precise as the disassociation of Rummy.

cs0564
11-14-2006, 01:52 AM
Molly Ivins is a typical Liberal writer who hates Republicans. I have read her rants int he Fort Worth Star Telegram. Another reason why I no longer subscribe to papers.

As for any cleanup at 1600 I would suspect that any who plan to do any type of cleaning need to try and cleanse thyself before doing it.

I wonder if Molly Ivins ever wrote naything about the ethics of Bill Clinton? hmm....... I can answer that one buddie!

Molly Ivins loves her some Bill Clinton!

lily
11-14-2006, 02:23 AM
Message to Liberals:

Rove is not the devil!Â*Â*He is merely an advisor. Why is it an issue that he isn't curled up under Bush's desk in the fetal position?Â*Â*He doesn't really run anything!Â*Â*He advises the President!Â*Â*Give this guy a break!

ps. Rush Limbaugh is also, NOT the Devil!


Rove's "job" is to get Republicans re-elected. Be it by dirty tricks (John Mc Cain has an illigetimate black baby) or not. Even Bush is not too happy with him at the moment. They don't call him the architect or Bush's brain for nothing......but hey if you want to minimize his roll, who am I to stop you?

ECW
11-14-2006, 04:04 PM
Molly Ivins is a typical Liberal writer who hates Republicans.Â*Â*I have read her rants int he Fort Worth Star Telegram.Â*Â*Another reason why I no longer subscribe to papers.

As for any cleanup at 1600 I would suspect that any who plan to do any type of cleaning need to try and cleanse thyself before doing it.

I wonder if Molly Ivins ever wrote naything about the ethics of Bill Clinton?Â*Â*hmm....... I can answer that one buddie!

Molly Ivins loves her some Bill Clinton!


Molly doesn't hate Republicans. She hates hypocrites and there are plenty of them in the GOP. Have you ever read her book "Nothing But Good Times Ahead"? She skewers ol' Bubba pretty good in there.

I agree about the Star Telegram, it's a rag. Try the New York Times. It's not a half-assed birdcage liner printed in a cow town so some of the ideas and concepts may be a bit strange but it's the best paper in the country.

As for Rove, he's bottom feeding scum and if you follow him and his advice, guess what that makes you? President, but you'll still be a bottom feeder.

wonder cow
11-14-2006, 05:15 PM
For all we know this is part of the Rove strategy. To lose here in mid-term..let the Dems make everything look like crap for 2 years..then we get a GOP white house again in 2008

Haha! :)

That sneaky bas****! I demand a recount!