This is a sad day

[MAP2010.wireless]

Republicans lost the house and maybe more, Our Safety is at risk we have lost not as just Republicans but as Americans.

We will become weak and if it up to the Dems we will cut and run in Iraq, they are weak and at this time we can't be weak.

The only good thing that could come out of this is, The Dems mess up so Bad and they show to be so weak that we kick them back out in 6 years.

[lily]

Franklin D. Roosevelt said: "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."

I can't believe how afraid this government has made some people.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Franklin D. Roosevelt said: "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."

I can't believe how afraid this government has made some people.


Its very easy to see that weak people will make the U.S weak, if we all were happy go lucky and there was no war then I would not care as much the Dems are not good for War times. They have their good points but when it comes to our safety they are weak.....

Global Warming is bad and the Dems are right too care but they are too weak and they will be our fall in this time of War.

I pray I'm wrong, I pray for our Troops when the Dems cut the funding.
When the Dems are shown for who they are and what they will do to our troops after the cuts they will do.

Mark

[lily]

Map..........the Democrats are Americans too. I don't see us stopping funding for the soldiers. What I do see is another direction. People are not happy with the way this administration has been running the show and they showed it by their vote.

I'm sorry you are unhappy about the way this election turned out, but the system is set up for checks and balances. We have seen what happens when one party controls everything.

You throw the word weak around.......but you see, we're not the party that is afraid of our own shadow.

[MAP2010.wireless]

This is just a sad time for Americans and for our Kids and their Kids, this is not just a lose it about our Safety. Dems will cut funds for our troops, they will cut our protection here in America. They will give rights to people who wish to kill and take away what makes us so great "Freedom", but the Dems do not see this and because Bush has not did a good job on telling people and showing people how much we need to win!!!! We will lose because of Dems want to make friends with the same people who want us killed and cut and run more then just Iraq but everywhere in the world till we are no more.

Great plan Dems want to run and hope they just give up.

Mark

[bobbylien]

I'm sorry but not all of us vote a straight ticket, I voted for dems and republicans.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Map..........the Democrats are Americans too. I don't see us stopping funding for the soldiers. What I do see is another direction. People are not happy with the way this administration has been running the show and they showed it by their vote.

I'm sorry you are unhappy about the way this election turned out, but the system is set up for checks and balances. We have seen what happens when one party controls everything.

You throw the word weak around.......but you see, we're not the party that is afraid of our own shadow.


I understand you don't like me saying weak!!! But Dems are not stong on war, they are the kind of people who say oh I'm sorry did I hurt your hand you should not hit so hard let play nice.

Its the truth and Bush did a bad job it saying that.

Mark

[bobbylien]

Map..........the Democrats are Americans too. I don't see us stopping funding for the soldiers. What I do see is another direction. People are not happy with the way this administration has been running the show and they showed it by their vote.

I'm sorry you are unhappy about the way this election turned out, but the system is set up for checks and balances. We have seen what happens when one party controls everything.

You throw the word weak around.......but you see, we're not the party that is afraid of our own shadow.


I understand you don't like me saying weak!!! But Dems are not stong on war, they are the kind of people who say oh I'm sorry did I hurt your hand you should not hit so hard let play nice.

Its the truth and Bush did a bad job it saying that.

Mark

What are the republicans doing to keep us safe that the democrats will reverse... give me specifics please.

[lily]

I understand you don't like me saying weak!!! But Dems are not stong on war, they are the kind of people who say oh I'm sorry did I hurt your hand you should not hit so hard let play nice.

Well.....it seems you have your mind made up. I'd offer you a beer to cry in, but I don't think it's as bad as you're thinking it is.

This is just a sad time for Americans and for our Kids and their Kids, this is not just a lose it about our Safety.

Now see......here you are just wrong.....we can multi-task. We can get that deficiet down so your kid's kid's won't have to pay it and keep them safe from war at the same time!

oh and welcome!!!

[MAP2010.wireless]

I'm sorry but not all of us vote a straight ticket, I voted for dems and republicans.


When we are talking Global Warming or something other then War they are ok but in a time of war, we are it some deep (s) they will cut and run. and if you don't see how bad this is you will.
This is not because I'm just vote for Republicans I know that Dems are just weak on War.

Mark

[ECW]

This is a happy day for America! Gone are the arrogant power brokers who think of their rich friends before they think of America. Gone are the big shots who cover for sexual predators at the expense of our young people. Gone are the Rubber Stampers who didn't have a mind of their own and were led around by their nose ring for the last six years. Soon, there will be accountability for the quagmire in Iraq that turned that country into a splintered terrorist haven sheltering boondoggled war profiteers. Health insurance and new job programs are on their way and tax breaks for wealthy industries are on their way out. Fear mongering on security will be gone and the 9/11 Commission recommendations will soon be passed into law. Yes, this is a happy day for America all the way around.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Map..........the Democrats are Americans too. I don't see us stopping funding for the soldiers. What I do see is another direction. People are not happy with the way this administration has been running the show and they showed it by their vote.

I'm sorry you are unhappy about the way this election turned out, but the system is set up for checks and balances. We have seen what happens when one party controls everything.

You throw the word weak around.......but you see, we're not the party that is afraid of our own shadow.


I understand you don't like me saying weak!!! But Dems are not stong on war, they are the kind of people who say oh I'm sorry did I hurt your hand you should not hit so hard let play nice.

Its the truth and Bush did a bad job it saying that.

Mark

What are the republicans doing to keep us safe that the democrats will reverse... give me specifics please.


The Dems are talking about voting down funding for our troops so that Bush has to pull them out, thats wrong and it will hurt our troops.
But you know it our troops will be hurting first after that we will lose Iraq and we will be look at as weak. The Dems will cut our funding for protection here at home and give the same people who wish to kill us rights.

Tell me how thats right, its sad that more people can't see the truth.

[MAP2010.wireless]

This is a happy day for America! Gone are the arrogant power brokers who think of their rich friends before they think of America. Gone are the big shots who cover for sexual predators at the expense of our young people. Gone are the Rubber Stampers who didn't have a mind of their own and were led around by their nose ring for the last six years. Soon, there will be accountability for the quagmire in Iraq that turned that country into a splintered terrorist haven sheltering boondoggled war profiteers. Health insurance and new job programs are on their way and tax breaks for wealthy industries are on their way out. Fear mongering on security will be gone and the 9/11 Commission recommendations will soon be passed into law. Yes, this is a happy day for America all the way around.


Well, First Dems Gay Pride Men and Women almost naked in front of kids. I have seen many many time where Dems are done really really bad thing. Republicans do not let that happen, We cut them as fast as we can. If your Gay don't vote Republican, We are God fearing people and understand that its a sin. So when you can Republicans hide that no, Dems are nothing but have a wife and a girlfrind or maybe a gay lover.

You talk about Tax Cuts for just the Rich, this think lacks point.

If you take away from Business they can't grow, If they can't grow they can't hire and If they can't hire then what.

I'm pro union but if you cut Business growth how can you give more to the workers?

Dems are not good for Safety, and let should keep the rocks because they are The Pro-Gay Party thats not really good for kids or any one too see.

Mark

[MAP2010.wireless]

I understand you don't like me saying weak!!! But Dems are not stong on war, they are the kind of people who say oh I'm sorry did I hurt your hand you should not hit so hard let play nice.

Well.....it seems you have your mind made up. I'd offer you a beer to cry in, but I don't think it's as bad as you're thinking it is.

This is just a sad time for Americans and for our Kids and their Kids, this is not just a lose it about our Safety.

Now see......here you are just wrong.....we can multi-task. We can get that deficiet down so your kid's kid's won't have to pay it and keep them safe from war at the same time!

oh and welcome!!!


Dems don't want to fight, they want to give up and run.
If they did not say everyday that they want to cut and run then It would not be so bad. We can't cut and run.

Mark

[MAP2010.wireless]

I will say one thing, If the Dems stop saying we should cut and run and work with Bush and Win!!!, Then I will say I'm wrong.
But if they force Bush to remove our Troops then we are in troble.

Mark

[ECW]

Cut and run? Like Reagan did in Lebanon? Like Nixon did in Vietnam? What a load of horse hockey.

Chimpy fought the war his way and he lost it. He chose not to listen to anyone. Why should the Democrats run to his side to fight in a war that should never have been fought in the first place? It's idiotic to think that Chimpy will do anything differently now that the Democrats have taken over. He never has before and he won't now. In case you haven't noticed, pal, we're already in trouble.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Cut and run? Like Reagan did in Lebanon? Like Nixon did in Vietnam? What a load of horse hockey.

Chimpy fought the war his way and he lost it. He chose not to listen to anyone. Why should the Democrats run to his side to fight in a war that should never have been fought in the first place? It's idiotic to think that Chimpy will do anything differently now that the Democrats have taken over. He never has before and he won't now. In case you haven't noticed, pal, we're already in trouble.


You said that its Republicans that made us lose Vietnam, you need to put the kool aid down.

Its because the bull (s) Dems and Kerry did, it should be a crime to put our troops in harms way Dems did giving add to people who wish to kill us.

Your right we should not have gone into Iraq and yes it was at the wrong time, but we are there we can't give up.

Just because we its something we should not have done don't mean we should cut and run.

And I do feel that Bush was hoping for a quick win, there was to plan because it was going to be over in one month.

Iraq was bad and needed change, just not right away but we are there and we need to fight and win.

I don't like war and I don't like friends of mine dieing in Iraq, And I did not like Bush going for a Quick Win in Iraq. But it was a Quick Win and we have to win.

Mark

[ECW]

I don't think I'm the one drinking the Kool Aid here, sparky. Your side just got your asses handed to you in this election and here you are with the same old refrain that we just got done putting to bed. Sorry. Time for listening to losing plans is over. Fear mongering on the war is finished. You lost. Get over it.

Time for a new direction.

[underdawg]

Well, I think we were weaker as a country when we use arrogance and bullying over common sense, and diplomacy in dealing with other countries. I feel a hell of a lot safer now than I did with the Republicans in complete control of everything. Finally Bush is on a leash now. Checks and ballances will be restored again.

[ECW]

Well, I think we were weaker as a country when we use arroganceÂ*Â*and bullying over common sense, and diplomacy in dealing with other countries. I feel a hell of a lot safer now than I did with the Republicans in complete control of everything. Finally Bush is on a leash now. Checks and ballances will be restored again.


Right on the money again, my young friend.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I don't think I'm the one drinking the Kool Aid here, sparky. Your side just got your asses handed to you in this election and here you are with the same old refrain that we just got done putting to bed. Sorry. Time for listening to losing plans is over. Fear mongering on the war is finished. You lost. Get over it.

Time for a new direction.


You will see Dems will cut funding, and that will hurt our troops.
If we lose Iraq and we get hit because of cuts made by Dems, They will lose bigger then ever before.

Today is a sad day.

Mark

[ECW]

Our troops will be brought home or redeployed to Afghanistan where we have unfinished business that Iraq took us away from. You may not realize this but the GOP got skunked tonight because they blindly followed the losing plan of "Stay The Course" and "No Exit Plan" that Chimpy laid out. The American public rejected those notions loud and clear.

Today is a turning point for America and a happy one at that.

[cs0564]

From what I understand, the Democrats will work with the Commander and Chief who ultimatly has the say so where troops are deployed.

[NortheastCynic]

Well, I abstained from the poll because I voted write-in and Libertarian, along with one Republican and one Democrat. I'm pleased that the Dems took one House of Congress and I hope the Republicans keep the Senate or there is a tie, a purple country is a beautiful thing, gridlock will keep our government on a leash where it belongs.

-NC

[bobbylien]

You will see Dems will cut funding, and that will hurt our troops.
If we lose Iraq and we get hit because of cuts made by Dems, They will lose bigger then ever before.

Today is a sad day.

Mark

Big suprise here... accusations but no proof to back them up. Nancy Pelosi said that they wouldn't try to force an end to the war in Iraq by cutting spending. Not only that but the democrats also said they won't persue impeachment, I'm looking to see what went wrong in Iraq.

[piratemonkey]

But if they force Bush to remove our Troops then we are in troble.


This implies that we aren't in trouble with our troops there.

According to all 16 US Intelligence Agencies, we are.

[ECW]

From what I understand, the Democrats will work with the Commander and Chief who ultimatly has the say so where troops are deployed.


and common sense will return to our foreign policy.

[Popwing]

Oh get over it.

Your weasel party lost everything.

It's a day to celebrate American liberties.

[Pookie]

I voted a split ticket, so I can't say I went one way or another. I voted for issues.
I think we're in much better shape with Bush on a leash and I agree -- let the checks and balances begin, and enough bullying and lying.
Exit polls showed that corruption was a slightly bigger concern with American voters than the Iraq War. That sends a message -- and so did the election results.
Purrs,
Pookie

[MAP2010.wireless]

Thanks for all of your replies; I can't reply to them all but I will say this.

Was Iraq a Bad Idea? Yes
Did Bush have a plan? No, not one I can see.
Why did we go to war in Iraq? Iraq was something that needs to be fixed because of the problems it will make for years to come, but Bush could not find Ben and because it had looked as if we would never find Ben Iraq would be easier and we needed to stop Iraq from becoming a bigger problem. So now we are looking for Saddam Hussein, This would be a quick and easy way to show we would win this war. But it?s still going on today, we never won anything and the shocking thing was how our own people would not fund our troops after voting them to go. They should have pulled them out right then, but they did not because with no ex funding you have a weaker Military. So when you say Iraq was a wrong move, yes it was but we must not cut and run.

How to we Win in Iraq? I do not feel we have done everything we could do, so The One Idea that the Dems have is good 3 States of Iraq and my Idea is with one Leader. Each state will have their own right and how their state is to be worked, this way each of the 3 are still one Iraq but they all don't have to agree on one law.

Why 3 States of the United Iraq? They all hate each other, this way their is one Leader who gives income from the Oil to each State kind of like how we do it with State funding. Did you know that each State of America has its own laws that only that one state has? You most likely do, but I think that because of Iraq?s problem this would work.

So ending notes: Iraq Bad Idea, Dems "Don't!!! Cut funding but you should help get our Troops who put their Life on the line for us all to Win Iraq and come home."

Mark.A.Pendergraft
MAP2010.com

[MAP2010.wireless]

One more Point:

Each of the 3 states of this United Iraq will have their own Military, Officers and they should vote only on their laws and for their State.

We can not make Iraq what the U.S.A has today, We need to let them work on their own State the way that part of Iraq wants it too be.

Our Troops are doing a great job in Iraq, but if Iraq don't want it to work the way we want it to work. It will never work.

You start off with a NON-Military force in Each of the 3 States, then you have their Local Leaders and rules and laws for that one State to make that one State Safe.

If you did this with each of the 3 States you would have a well run and safer Iraq.

Mark Pendergraft
MAP2010.com

[underdawg]

I think that is is a good thing to have the checks and ballances restored. I think that having any one party in power is a bad thing whether it be democrat or republican. No matter how good the intentions, absolute power will corrupt. We need at at least two parties in control just to make sure the other doesn't do wrong. No matter who is in charge, it is not unpatriotic to question authority, because if you don't, the authority will take full advantage of your blind loyalty to them.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I think that is is a good thing to have the checks and ballances restored. I think that having any one party in power is a bad thing whether it be democrat or republican.Â*Â*No matter how good the intentions,Â*Â*absolute power will corrupt. We need at at least two parties in control just to make sure the other doesn't do wrong. No matter who is in charge, it is not unpatriotic to question authority, because if you don't, the authority will take full advantage of your blind loyalty to them.



You are right, but we just need to make sure that we don't give up.
If we give up and cut funding like the Dems have done in the past we will lose and I mean everything.

[lily]

Thanks for all of your replies; I can't reply to them all but I will say this.

Was Iraq a Bad Idea? Yes
Did Bush have a plan? No, not one I can see.
Why did we go to war in Iraq? Iraq was something that needs to be fixed because of the problems it will make for years to come, but Bush could not find Ben and because it had looked as if we would never find Ben Iraq would be easier and we needed to stop Iraq from becoming a bigger problem. So now we are looking for Saddam Hussein, This would be a quick and easy way to show we would win this war. But it?s still going on today, we never won anything and the shocking thing was how our own people would not fund our troops after voting them to go. They should have pulled them out right then, but they did not because with no ex funding you have a weaker Military. So when you say Iraq was a wrong move, yes it was but we must not cut and run.

How to we Win in Iraq? I do not feel we have done everything we could do, so The One Idea that the Dems have is good 3 States of Iraq and my Idea is with one Leader. Each state will have their own right and how their state is to be worked, this way each of the 3 are still one Iraq but they all don't have to agree on one law.

Why 3 States of the United Iraq? They all hate each other, this way their is one Leader who gives income from the Oil to each State kind of like how we do it with State funding. Did you know that each State of America has its own laws that only that one state has? You most likely do, but I think that because of Iraq?s problem this would work.

So ending notes: Iraq Bad Idea, Dems "Don't!!! Cut funding butÂ*Â*you should help get our Troops who put their Life on the line for us all to Win Iraq and come home."

Mark.A.Pendergraft
MAP2010.com



Mark.......I was going to debate your points and also look up Bush's comments made in his speech today where he said the Democrats are not soft on terrorism........but after reading your post and you thinking that we are still looking for Sadaam........I see that you just might not know what you are talking about.

[lily]

Well, I abstained from the poll because I voted write-in and Libertarian, along with one Republican and one Democrat.Â*Â*I'm pleased that the Dems took one House of Congress and I hope the Republicans keep the Senate or there is a tie, a purple country is a beautiful thing, gridlock will keep our government on a leash where it belongs.

-NC


As much as I would like to see the Democrats take both, NC.....I think you may be right and I won't be greedy.

[NortheastCynic]

Well, it might be a moot point by now Lily, it looks like the VA race is all over but Allen's concession, so it looks like we've got a Democratic legislature. My only hope is that this loss will wake the Republicans up. A Libertarian candidate single-handedly cost Repubs several seats in Congress [including the Senate race in Montana], and I hope the Republicans can see that and translate it into more libertarian policies in order to win back the small gov't conservatives that they have disenfranchised.

-NC

[MAP2010.wireless]

[quote=MAP2010.wireless]
Thanks for all of your replies; I can't reply to them all but I will say this.

Was Iraq a Bad Idea? Yes
Did Bush have a plan? No, not one I can see.
Why did we go to war in Iraq? Iraq was something that needs to be fixed because of the problems it will make for years to come, but Bush could not find Ben and because it had looked as if we would never find Ben Iraq would be easier and we needed to stop Iraq from becoming a bigger problem. So now we are looking for Saddam Hussein, This would be a quick and easy way to show we would win this war. But it?s still going on today, we never won anything and the shocking thing was how our own people would not fund our troops after voting them to go. They should have pulled them out right then, but they did not because with no ex funding you have a weaker Military. So when you say Iraq was a wrong move, yes it was but we must not cut and run.

How to we Win in Iraq? I do not feel we have done everything we could do, so The One Idea that the Dems have is good 3 States of Iraq and my Idea is with one Leader. Each state will have their own right and how their state is to be worked, this way each of the 3 are still one Iraq but they all don't have to agree on one law.

Why 3 States of the United Iraq? They all hate each other, this way their is one Leader who gives income from the Oil to each State kind of like how we do it with State funding. Did you know that each State of America has its own laws that only that one state has? You most likely do, but I think that because of Iraq?s problem this would work.

So ending notes: Iraq Bad Idea, Dems "Don't!!! Cut funding butÂ*Â*you should help get our Troops who put their Life on the line for us all to Win Iraq and come home."

Mark.A.Pendergraft
MAP2010.com


What i was saying is that at the time we went from wheres Ben? to wheres Saddam?
I know we got Saddam and he is going to die.

And I'm not happy Bush has changed his talking points.

Mark

[ECW]

And I'm not happy Bush has changed his talking points.


He changed his talking points and still got his ass handed to him by the voters. Sorry, but the 33% percent of people that support Chimpy do not get to make policy for the 67% of us who do not. Not anymore they don't. You lost fair and square. Get over it. It's a new and better day for America.

Hooray!

[MAP2010.wireless]

And I'm not happy Bush has changed his talking points.


He changed his talking points and still got his ass handed to him by the voters. Sorry, but the 33% percent of people that support Chimpy do not get to make policy for the 67% of us who do not. Not anymore they don't. You lost fair and square. Get over it. It's a new and better day for America.

Hooray!


If there was no wars and all was great it would not be as bad.
But we are at war, the Dems will show that they have no ideas and will lose 08. So I hope Bush can still Win Iraq.

Mark

[lily]

If there was no wars and all was great it would not be as bad.
But we are at war, the Dems will show that they have no ideas and will lose 08. So I hope Bush can still Win Iraq.

Let me see if I have this right....we are at a war........that Bush started and he's also stated that we still will be at war when he leaves office...........and you're afraid of the Democrats, why?

I also don't understand how you can hope that Bush will still win Iraq, whe he, himself says it's someone else's problem.

[MAP2010.wireless]

If there was no wars and all was great it would not be as bad.
But we are at war, the Dems will show that they have no ideas and will lose 08. So I hope Bush can still Win Iraq.

Let me see if I have this right....we are at a war........that Bush started and he's also stated that we still will be at war when he leaves office...........and you're afraid of the Democrats, why?

I also don't understand how you can hope that Bush will still win Iraq, whe he, himself says it's someone else's problem.


Thats not true, The War in Iraq is going to end but the War for our Safety is never going to end. This war is not just Iraq or North Korea or Iran, Its a war that every one will have to fight or die.

Its a war to keep Freedom.

Mark Pendergraft
MAP2010.com

[lily]

Oh......I see....that's why you said:

So I hope Bush can still Win Iraq.

Not me, my kids, my grandkids..........or my great grandkids, bub. Are you enlisted?

Its a war that every one will have to fight or die.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Oh......I see....that's why you said:

So I hope Bush can still Win Iraq.

Not me, my kids, my grandkids..........or my great grandkids, bub. Are you enlisted?

Its a war that every one will have to fight or die.


You have no clue, I was saying that the war to take our Freedom. The was that Started 9/11 the war that will never end, because as long as there is some one somewhere who wants to kill us we will be fighting that war.

Now You said something about "Not me, my kids, my grandkids..........or my great grandkids, bub. Are you enlisted?" the people who die 9/11 did not say oh hey I will die no but if we as The United States don't WIN and Fight this War then we will Die because from another 9/11.

I have a lot of Friends and Family how have joined the Military, I have a worker who is in the Army. I have two little brothers and My Brothers and Sisters kids, I'm not pro-war but If we lose then I will have to worry about them Dieing because some one bring a bomb over here because we gave up in our fight for freedom.

Mark Pendergraft
MAP2010.com

[Popwing]

I'm sorry but not all of us vote a straight ticket, I voted for dems and republicans.


When we are talking Global Warming or something other then War they are ok but in a time of war, we are it some deep (s) they will cut and run. and if you don't see how bad this is you will.
This is not because I'm just vote for Republicans I know that Dems are just weak on War.

Mark


This is the sort of nonsense I love to see come up in debate, because it gives the opportunity to ask "Why?"

Why do you "know" Dems are weak on war? Is it because Dems were responsible for winning both World Wars?

Is it because the last war fought under a Dem president left ZERO American casualties?

Is it because so many Democratic Senators and House Representatives are heroic veterans?

Is it because Democrats would prefer that our soldiers don't die in unnecessary wars?

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that they should at least have the proper body armor available?

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that the Commander in Chief has not lied to America about the reasons we must fight?

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that we should have a plan for victory, and a subsequent exit strategy?

Are those the reasons that you believe that Democrats are weak?

[lily]

MAP2010.wireless


You have no clue, I was saying that the war to take our Freedom. The was that Started 9/11 the war that will never end, because as long as there is some one somewhere who wants to kill us we will be fighting that war.

Ok, well first you were talking about Iraq and now you want to change it to the war to take our Freedon. No offense...but you are confusing and I'm quessing English might not be your official language?

Anyway is this war to take our freedom anything like the war on poverty, or the war on drugs...........because you know those aren't real wars, don't you?

I'm also curious how are they going to take our freedom?

Now You said something about "Not me, my kids, my grandkids..........or my great grandkids, bub. Are you enlisted?" the people who die 9/11 did not say oh hey I will die no but if we as The United States don't WIN and Fight this War then we will Die because from another 9/11.

........but I was told that it was a hard job to keep this from happening........don't tell me they sold me another bill of goods?

.........but hey......I'll give you extra points for throwing in the 911 victims to make your case.

I have a lot of Friends and Family how have joined the Military, I have a worker who is in the Army. I have two little brothers and My Brothers and Sisters kids, I'm not pro-war but If we lose then I will have to worry about them Dieing because some one bring a bomb over here because we gave up in our fight for freedom.

Man.......now you got me more confused than ever....but again extra points for avoiding the question of what are you doing to fight them over there.

Oh.....and again, I don't scare easily.......I've raised kids. So the whole they're going to come and get us........doesn't do much for me.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I'm sorry but not all of us vote a straight ticket, I voted for dems and republicans.


When we are talking Global Warming or something other then War they are ok but in a time of war, we are it some deep (s) they will cut and run. and if you don't see how bad this is you will.
This is not because I'm just vote for Republicans I know that Dems are just weak on War.

Mark


This is the sort of nonsense I love to see come up in debate, because it gives the opportunity to ask "Why?"

Why do you "know" Dems are weak on war? Is it because Dems were responsible for winning both World Wars?

Is it because the last war fought under a Dem president left ZERO American casualties?

Is it because so many Democratic Senators and House Representatives are heroic veterans?

Is it because Democrats would prefer that our soldiers don't die in unnecessary wars?

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that they should at least have the proper body armor available?

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that the Commander in Chief has not lied to America about the reasons we must fight?

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that we should have a plan for victory, and a subsequent exit strategy?

Are those the reasons that you believe that Democrats are weak?


We are Talking about the Dems who had been cutting are Military for a long time, We are talking about Dems who have said we will cut and run in Iraq. Its Dems who wants rights for the people who wish us dead
Dems (TODAY) Voted for the New and then Voted not too fund the War. Saying we should take it too Iraq, Then saying Bush made everything up. Its sad that Rep don't get more credit for what we have done, Bush has done a lot for America.

Thank God Bush was Voted in for two Terms.


WW 1:What Really Caused World War 1?

"President Washington attempted to warn the American people about getting embroiled in the affairs of Europe. But in 1914, it was not to be.Â*Â*There were those who were secretly planning America's involvement in World War I whether the American people wanted it or not."

Link: http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-1/ww1.htm

Woodrow Wilson
"His growing national reputation led some conservative Democrats"

"Wilson had seen the frightfulness of war. He was born in Virginia in 1856, the son of a Presbyterian minister who during the Civil War was a pastor in Augusta, Georgia, and during Reconstruction a professor in the charred city of Columbia, South Carolina."

" He developed a program of progressive reform and asserted international leadership in building a new world order. In 1917 he proclaimed American entrance into World War I a crusade to make the world "safe for democracy."

"He was nominated for President at the 1912 Democratic Convention and campaigned on a program called the New Freedom, which stressed individualism and states' rights. In the three-way election he received only 42 percent of the popular vote but an overwhelming electoral vote."

"But after the election Wilson concluded that America could not remain neutral in the World War. On April 2,1917, he asked Congress for a declaration of war on Germany."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/images/ww28.gif

What Really Caused World War 2?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/images/fr32.gif
Franklin D. Roosevelt
"Even with all of these efforts of the American businessman to construct the German war machine with the full knowledge and approval of President Roosevelt, he kept repeating that the nation would continue its "neutral" position: it would remain out of the war. On September 1, 1939, when the war started, he was asked by a reporter whether America would stay out of the war and Roosevelt replied: "... I believe we can, and every effort will be made by the Administration to do so."."

Others did not believe Roosevelt's claim that America would remain neutral. On September 12, 1939, Hans Thomson, the German charge d'affaires in Washington, cabled the German government: "... if defeat should threaten the Allies (Great Britain and France), Roosevelt is determined to go to war against Germany, even in the face of the resistance of his own country."

But as the war in Europe continued, America's leaders were attempting to get America involved, even though the American people didn't want to become part of it Roosevelt, the presidential candidate, was promising the American people that the Roosevelt administration would remain neutral should he be re-elected. Others knew better. One, for instance, was General Hugh Johnson, who said: "I know of no well informed Washington observer who isn't convinced that, if Mr. Roosevelt is elected (in 1940), he will drag us into war at the first opportunity, and that, if none presents itself, he will make one."

His first opportunity came from the war in the Pacific. It was in August, 1940, that the United States broke the Japanese "purple" war-time code. This gave the American government the ability to read and understand all of their recoverable war-time messages. Machines were manufactured to de-code Japan's messages, and they were sent all over the world, but none was sent to Pearl Harbor.

Roosevelt's public efforts to involve America, while ostensibly remaining neutral, started in August, 1940, when the National Guard was voted into Federal service for one year. This was followed in September by the Selective Service Act, also for one year's duration.

But the key to America's early involvement occurred on September 28, 1940, when Japan, Germany and Italy signed the Tripartite Treaty. This treaty required that any of the three nations had to respond by declaring war should any one of the other three be attacked by any of the Allied nations. This meant that should Japan attack the United States, and the United States responded by declaring war against Japan, it would automatically be at war with the other two nations, Germany and Italy.

Roosevelt now knew that war with Japan meant war with Germany.Â*Â*His problem was solved.

He had made secret commitments to Winston Churchill and the English government to become involved in the war against Germany and he knew that the only way he could fulfill his secret commitments to Churchill to get us into the war, without openly dishonoring his pledges to the American people to keep us out, was by provoking Germany or Japan to attack.

He had made secret commitments to Winston Churchill and the English government to become involved in the war against Germany and he knew that the only way he could fulfill his secret commitments to Churchill to get us into the war, without openly dishonoring his pledges to the American people to keep us out, was by provoking Germany or Japan to attack.

This scene in history poses two rather interesting questions:

Why did Roosevelt, the Commander-in-Chief of all armed forces, including the Navy, not directly order Admiral Richardson to do as he wished? Why did he choose to use his Secretary of the Navy to almost politely ask him to create the naval patrol?

Is it possible that Roosevelt did not choose to use his supreme power because he knew that this was indeed an act of war and that he did not want to be identified as the originator of the plan. If Richardson had agreed to Knox's proposal, and Japan had attacked an American naval vessel, Roosevelt could have directly blamed the admiral for allowing the vessel to get into the position of being fired upon by the Japanese Navy in the first place.

Roosevelt wanted a scapegoat and Richardson refused.

Â*Â*

Why did Roosevelt not replace the admiral with someone who would do exactly as he wished?

It is possible that Roosevelt realized that Richardson now knew about the plan, and since he did not approve, he would be in a position to clearly identify Roosevelt as the source of the idea should the second admiral agree to it.

Roosevelt did not want to jeopardize his carefully constructed image as a "dove" in the question of whether or not America should become involved in the war.

It is important to remember that, in November, 1940, just after this incident, candidate Roosevelt told the American people: "I say to you fathers and mothers, and I will say it again and again and again, your boys will not be sent into foreign wars."

Link: http://www.threeworldwars.com/

Ok, Now to my point this is not what Dems are about.
Sometime we have to go to war and its not something we want but its something we have to do.

Where would be if they Like Bush did not fight for our Freedoms?
This War is something we must fight and fight hard.

Mark Pendergraft
MAP2010.com

[ECW]

Sometime we have to go to war and its not something we want but its something we have to do.

That's the whole point. We didn't HAVE TO go to war in Iraq. We did and created terrorists where there were none before. We split apart a country and fostered a sectarian war because we dismantled their social/military structure in the first weeks of the war and did not replace it. This is not our concern any longer. Most Iraqis want us to be gone and I am happy to accomodate them. We lost this conflict due to war profiteering, incompetence and mis-management. Time to go.

The American public agrees with my point of view now. Yours is no longer viable.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Sometime we have to go to war and its not something we want but its something we have to do.

That's the whole point. We didn't HAVE TO go to war in Iraq. We did and created terrorists where there were none before. We split apart a country and fostered a sectarian war because we dismantled their social/military structure in the first weeks of the war and did not replace it. This is not our concern any longer. Most Iraqis want us to be gone and I am happy to accomodate them. We lost this conflict due to war profiteering, incompetence and mis-management. Time to go.

The American public agrees with my point of view now. Yours is no longer viable.


That not true, this is not a easy out and it will all be ok.
Trust me if we could leave and just let them go back to what they where doing and bring back all our men and women I would say do it.
But If we leave it will be very bad. I have said Iraq was a bad Idea, but that don't mean we should leave. If you read my plan to win Iraq you would understand.

But Iraq was a very very Bad Idea, and I wish we never had started that part of the war.

But we must win.

Mark

[ECW]

Sometime we have to go to war and its not something we want but its something we have to do.

That's the whole point. We didn't HAVE TO go to war in Iraq. We did and created terrorists where there were none before. We split apart a country and fostered a sectarian war because we dismantled their social/military structure in the first weeks of the war and did not replace it. This is not our concern any longer. Most Iraqis want us to be gone and I am happy to accomodate them. We lost this conflict due to war profiteering, incompetence and mis-management. Time to go.

The American public agrees with my point of view now. Yours is no longer viable.


That not true, this is not a easy out and it will all be ok.
Trust me if we could leave and just let them go back to what they where doing and bring back all our men and women I would say do it.
But If we leave it will be very bad. I have said Iraq was a bad Idea, but that don't mean we should leave. If you read my plan to win Iraq you would understand.
But Iraq was a very very Bad Idea, and I wish we never had started that part of the war.But we must win.


Iraq is in the middle of a religious war that we should have no part of. As you can see in other parts of the region, the killing goes on no matter who is in charge, no matter who "wins" and no matter what troops are on the ground. American lives are not worth, and never have been worth, sectarian lunacy. These people will continue to kill each other for years, decades, generations with each side vowing revenge. Only when they are tired of murdering each other will American peacekeepers have a role to play. They are not there yet nor will they be for years to come. Let them kill each other. We need to go. The needs of democracy will never be served until people want to stop killing each other for religious purposes.

We need to get out of Iraq yesterday.

[Professor]

Well, First Dems Gay Pride Men and Women almost naked in front of kids.

Dems are not good for Safety, and let should keep the rocks because they are The Pro-Gay Party thats not really good for kids or any one too see.


Kids? How many kids do you know who follow politics? How many kids do you know who will attend gay pride parades, unless their parents have strong feelings one way or another? My recently turned 12 year old sister is trying to get involved and aware of politics since she sees me so involved but she has to slowly sink into it, this is deep stuff for a 12 year old. She knows there is currently an issue with gay marriage and no, she didn't genetically mutate overnight after hearing about gay pride parades or watching Brokeback Mountain. She has yet to sprout horns.

As for women and men almost naked in front of kids; links or pictures? The only thing I can think of it gay pride parades at the beach with everyone in bikinis.

I read your WW3 essay, I think it is a little off. I do agree that the US home front will suffer when/if WW3 happens. So the relatives moving in and the steak incident isn't so far stretched. But getting off anything with a barcode sounds too extreme for me. So we go back to the days of mattress stuffing? It's preparing for a threat that isn't even on the horizon.

The democrats have never said they will cut and run. I do some changes happening in the Iraq War but nothing has been done yet. The truth is they are inheriting a nation in pieces with a long list of problems.


We need to get out of Iraq yesterday.


Or the day before. :P

As for my vote, I voted mostly democrat, some republican and some independent. We had to vote in judges, as well as local people so that's really where I went all over the board.

[lily]

This war is not going to be won militarily. The Iraqi's voted on their parliment, their constitution and their own set of laws.

I think we can argue until the cows come home..... our soldiers job, the Iraqi soldiers job, and how we would like to see Iraq divided into 3 seperate countries......which is not going to stop the civil war. Maliki needs to step up to the plate. Their own department of defense has to step up to the plate.......in other word the governing body of Iraq needs to start doing thier jobs. Hopefully this change in our own Department of Defense will see it that way.

[cs0564]

This war is not going to be won militarily. The Iraqi's voted on their parliment, their constitution and their own set of laws.

The only way to Win in Iraq is to wipe the terrorist off the face of the earth by any means necessary!!!!! Iraq has and is trying to do their part. Until the violence subsides (aka KILL the bad guys) though it will be difficult for the average Iraqi to stand up.

We stand up here and the worsth thing that happens is we get arrested! You stand up there and your killed! Your spouse is killed! Your children are killed! Your family is killed! Get the picture?

Easy to "stand up" here. Very tough to do so there!

[firefox]

I voted Libertarian. Why isn't that an option? Government didn't get any smaller this week, so in effect, we all lost... :'(

[lily]

The only way to Win in Iraq is to wipe the terrorist off the face of the earth by any means necessary!!!!!Â*Â*


I wish you luck with that.......is that just Islamic terrorists......or all the terrorists in the world?

[cs0564]

The only way to Win in Iraq is to wipe the terrorist off the face of the earth by any means necessary!!!!!Â*Â*


I wish you luck with that.......is that just Islamic terrorists......or all the terrorists in the world?


I really think right now just Iraq and Afghanistan. Once Iraq is stable (ie Terrorist mostly gone) the nation will run as smooth as a budding Democracy can run. It will not be our form of Democracy, but it will be a lot better than what they had.

[MAP2010.wireless]

MAP2010.wireless


You have no clue, I was saying that the war to take our Freedom. The was that Started 9/11 the war that will never end, because as long as there is some one somewhere who wants to kill us we will be fighting that war.

Ok, well first you were talking about Iraq and now you want to change it to the war to take our Freedon. No offense...but you are confusing and I'm quessingÂ*Â*English might not be your official language?

Anyway is this war to take our freedom anything like the war on poverty, or the war on drugs...........because you know those aren't real wars, don't you?

I'm also curious how are they going to take our freedom?

Now You said something about "Not me, my kids, my grandkids..........or my great grandkids, bub. Are you enlisted?" the people who die 9/11 did not say oh hey I will die no but if we as The United States don't WIN and Fight this War then we will Die because from another 9/11.

........but I was told that it was a hard job to keep this from happening........don't tell me they sold me another bill of goods?

.........but hey......I'll give you extra points for throwing in the 911 victims to make your case.

I have a lot of Friends and Family how have joined the Military, I have a worker who is in the Army. I have two little brothers and My Brothers and Sisters kids, I'm not pro-war but If we lose then I will have to worry about them Dieing because some one bring a bomb over here because we gave up in our fight for freedom.

Man.......now you got me more confused than ever....but again extra points for avoiding the question of what are you doing to fight them over there.

Oh.....and again, I don't scare easily.......I've raised kids. So the whole they're going to come and get us........doesn't do much for me.


Your views are off, you don't see when they killed on 9/11 they were taking our right to live? you are blind.

[MAP2010.wireless]

This war is not going to be won militarily. The Iraqi's voted on their parliment, their constitution and their own set of laws.

I think we can argue until the cows come home..... our soldiers job, the Iraqi soldiers job, and how we would like to see Iraq divided into 3 seperate countries......which is not going to stop the civil war. Maliki needs to step up to the plate. Their own department of defense has to step up to the plate.......in other word the governing body of Iraq needs to start doing thier jobs. Hopefully this change in our own Department of Defense will see it that way.


"Hopefully this change in our own Department of Defense will see it that way."
I hope your right.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I voted Libertarian. Why isn't that an option? Government didn't get any smaller this week, so in effect, we all lost... :'(


Sorry, but thanks for posting.

[MAP2010.wireless]

I have seen post that say the war we are fighting is not real, and that being hit on 9/11 or maybe being hit with bomb is not scary. I have known may brave men who have seen war and have come back to say its scary as hell, if we do not Win we will know that hell here. They do not want us hurt or just beging for them to stop, they want us dead.
They went us all dead, this is not just us Reps they want dead. They want every one dead. You say that they don't want to take away our freedom, do you not see if you dead your rights are dead as well.

Q: Do you think we can walk out of Iraq and it will all be ok?
Q: Do you not think it will show we are weak?
Q: How can we run or "Not Stay In Iraq" and not be hit more in the U.S?

When I hear "Lets cut and run" or "We should get out of Iraq", etc.
I say that makes Dems weak.

And people who say we are not at war with people who wish to kill us and take our right to live away, thats crazy and should not have a place in making U.S Polices.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Thanks for replying, I know you are wrong on most everything so I will show you how to become a Republican at no cost.

Thanks for posting, This is why America is so great we can say whatever we want. To bad that in Iraq they would be killed for saying anything.

Mark

[ECW]

This is why America is so great we can say whatever we want. To bad that in Iraq they would be killed for saying anything.

So, nothing has essentially changed since Saddam was in power. Three and a half years down the drain.

[MAP2010.wireless]

This is why America is so great we can say whatever we want. To bad that in Iraq they would be killed for saying anything.

So, nothing has essentially changed since Saddam was in power. Three and a half years down the drain.


At one point in time if you like are talked to a Black Person you would be killed, We have come along way here in America. But its not been 1 or 2 or 3 or even 4 years in the making but we still have worked past this and now we can say we are better as Americans.

But we really can't think its going to be like a night and day.
One day War and the Next Peace.

Mark

[ECW]

The killing won't stop until the Iraqis want it to stop. We need to get out of the way. Now.

[MAP2010.wireless]

The killing won't stop until the Iraqis want it to stop. We need to get out of the way. Now.


I will say we need to work smarter, but not by quiting.

[lily]

At one point in time if you like are talked to a Black Person you would be killed,

When was this?

[MAP2010.wireless]

At one point in time if you like are talked to a Black Person you would be killed,

When was this?


Read our history, then ask. Or maybe ask a Black Person if they have heard about Blacks being beaten and any one who was their friends, Then look up the KKK. You might then get the clue on what i was talking about, but now we don't do that. We as Americans now say it is wrong for people to kill out of hate.

Iraq still needs to grow.

[MAP2010.wireless]

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkkk.htm

"The first branch of the Ku Klux Klan was established in Pulaski, Tennessee, in May, 1866. A year later a general organization of local Klans was established in Nashville in April, 1867. Most of the leaders were former members of the Confederate Army and the first Grand Wizard was Nathan Forrest, an outstanding general during the American Civil War. During the next two years Klansmen wearing masks, white cardboard hats and draped in white sheets, tortured and killed black Americans and sympathetic whites."

[lily]

Sorry map..........that was a pretty strong statement. Your link doens't prove your point. You calimed "At one point in time if you like are talked to a Black Person you would be killed."

[ECW]

At one point in time if you like are talked to a Black Person you would be killed,

When was this?


Read our history, then ask. Or maybe ask a Black Person if they have heard about Blacks being beaten and any one who was their friends, Then look up the KKK. You might then get the clue on what i was talking about, but now we don't do that. We as Americans now say it is wrong for people to kill out of hate.

Iraq still needs to grow.


Exactly. We grew because we experienced the violence, the killings, the lynchings, the hatred, the oppression of one group by another. People got sick of it and began to demand that it stop. That process took decades and thousands of people had to die before we grew up. Iraq is not there yet and won't be there for some time to come. Thanks for proving my point.

[Elrathin]

I will say we need to work smarter, but not by quiting.


Care to suggest how?

[MAP2010.wireless]

At one point in time if you like are talked to a Black Person you would be killed,

When was this?


Read our history, then ask. Or maybe ask a Black Person if they have heard about Blacks being beaten and any one who was their friends, Then look up the KKK. You might then get the clue on what i was talking about, but now we don't do that. We as Americans now say it is wrong for people to kill out of hate.

Iraq still needs to grow.


Exactly. We grew because we experienced the violence, the killings, the lynchings, the hatred, the oppression of one group by another. People got sick of it and began to demand that it stop. That process took decades and thousands of people had to die before we grew up. Iraq is not there yet and won't be there for some time to come. Thanks for proving my point.


I never said you don't have a point, we just can't give up.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Sorry map..........that was a pretty strong statement. Your link doens't prove your point. You calimed "At one point in time if you like are talked to a Black Person you would be killed."


"tortured and killed black Americans and sympathetic whites."

[MAP2010.wireless]

I will say we need to work smarter, but not by quiting.


Care to suggest how?



I have please look at other post.

Thank you.

[Professor]

Q: Do you think we can walk out of Iraq and it will all be ok?
Q: Do you not think it will show we are weak?
Q: How can we run or "Not Stay In Iraq" and not be hit more in the U.S?


Of course it won't be okay. The damage that already has been done will have to be repaired. But at a certain point another nation's government is no longer our problem. We are going to have to stop spoon feeding them.

No, it won't show we are weak. How can we teach others how to use a democracy when we aren't properly utilizing ours? If our people want out, we need to model democracy, the form of government we are trying to teach them, and leave.

How can we stay and not be hot more in the US? It makes sense that when we aren't an enemy anymore, we won't be attacked anymore.

[con.student]

yes this is a very sad thing becuase now that the democrats have both the house and senate and with nancy palozie in this all, they WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE OUT ALL TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ and they will also try to impeach bush like they are now trying to get rumsfield in trouble your probably thinking o but germany is trying to press charges but ya gotta think isn't it ironic that only a few days after his resignation hes charged, i dont think so, i fear for our safety because they are anti- gun and in my mind anti- safety. To the american people, they just want to raise taxes and while doing it they want to make fun of u[/u]s republicnas and try and seal the 2008 election for them

[Buck Laser]

yes this is a very sad thing becuase now that the democrats have both the house and senate and with nancy palozie in this all, they WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE OUT ALL TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ and they will also try to impeach bush like they are now trying to get rumsfield in trouble your probably thinking o but germany is trying to press charges but ya gotta think isn't it ironic that only a few days after his resignation hes charged, i dont think so, i fear for our safety because they are anti- gun and in my mind anti- safety. To the american people, they just want to raise taxes and while doing it they want to make fun of u[/u]s republicnas and try and seal the 2008 election for them

Welcome to Democracy Forum...I think.

iliterasy is rampent.

[lily]

yes this is a very sad thing becuase now that the democrats have both the house and senate and with nancy palozie in this all, they WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE OUT ALL TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ and they will also try to impeach bush like they are now trying to get rumsfield in trouble your probably thinking o but germany is trying to press charges but ya gotta think isn't it ironic that only a few days after his resignation hes charged, i dont think so, i fear for our safety because they are anti- gun and in my mind anti- safety. ToÂ*Â*the american people, they just want to raise taxes and while doing it they want to make fun of u[/u]s republicnas and try and seal the 2008 election for them


im not sure if this post scares me the most because it was written by a student or it's content

[cs0564]

Maybe BOTH?

[Professor]

yes this is a very sad thing becuase now that the democrats have both the house and senate and with nancy palozie in this all, they WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE OUT ALL TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ and they will also try to impeach bush like they are now trying to get rumsfield in trouble your probably thinking o but germany is trying to press charges but ya gotta think isn't it ironic that only a few days after his resignation hes charged, i dont think so, i fear for our safety because they are anti- gun and in my mind anti- safety. ToÂ*Â*the american people, they just want to raise taxes and while doing it they want to make fun of u[/u]s republicnas and try and seal the 2008 election for them


Could you please post an intro in the introductions forum? It would help everyone get to know you better.

Also, next time you post, could you please put your reply through a spell check and grammar check before posting it? I'd like to hear what you have to say, but it's a little hard to understand from the post I've quoted.

Now onto the subject...

I don't think it's ironic that they are pressing charges a few days after he was removed. He stepped down, and now there are charges. Would you have preferred that they press charges while he was still in office?

Secondly, it is not the democrats that are doing this, but a part of the government. Yes, the democrats do have the majority of the seats. But it is still being done by a group of republican, independent, and democrat leaders.

Do you really think the people in Washington want to make fun of the republicans? I don't, I think they want to see their agenda get done. It's the television hosts, the bloggers, and the cynical citizens who will make fun of republicans, and anything else for that matter.

[MAP2010.wireless]

yes this is a very sad thing becuase now that the democrats have both the house and senate and with nancy palozie in this all, they WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE OUT ALL TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ and they will also try to impeach bush like they are now trying to get rumsfield in trouble your probably thinking o but germany is trying to press charges but ya gotta think isn't it ironic that only a few days after his resignation hes charged, i dont think so, i fear for our safety because they are anti- gun and in my mind anti- safety. ToÂ*Â*the american people, they just want to raise taxes and while doing it they want to make fun of u[/u]s republicnas and try and seal the 2008 election for them


I think every one should be able to speak their mind, even if they have a problem in spelling, we should be more understanding.

Could you please post an intro in the introductions forum?Â*Â*It would help everyone get to know you better.

Also, next time you post, could you please put your reply through a spell check and grammar check before posting it?Â*Â*I'd like to hear what you have to say, but it's a little hard to understand from the post I've quoted.

Now onto the subject...

I don't think it's ironic that they are pressing charges a few days after he was removed.Â*Â*He stepped down, and now there are charges.Â*Â*Would you have preferred that they press charges while he was still in office?

Secondly, it is not the democrats that are doing this, but a part of the government.Â*Â*Yes, the democrats do have the majority of the seats.Â*Â*But it is still being done by a group of republican, independent, and democrat leaders.

Do you really think the people in Washington want to make fun of the republicans?Â*Â*I don't, I think they want to see their agenda get done.Â*Â*It's the television hosts, the bloggers, and the cynical citizens who will make fun of republicans, and anything else for that matter.


We need to be more understanding about people who have problems with spelling, even one has the right to state their point.

[mckei]

"I know that Dems are just weak on War"

We must have been educated in 2 totally different countries. I seem to remember that FDR & Truman were pretty strong on war. And it was a Democrat that prevented nukes from destorying North America during the Cuban missle crisis.

Modern day Democrats are just as strong. I'll choose the leadership & war time character of a Jack Murtha or General Wesley Clark over your cocaine snorting / alcoholic National Guard flunkie of a President any day.

If you have read one ounce of American history, you know that BOTH Republican & Democratic Presidents have done some great things & some really horrible things at times of war.

[lily]

Welcome mckei. Why not stop by the introductions thread and introduce yourself? We try to keep the personal attacks at a minimum here, ok?

[MAP2010.wireless]

"I know that Dems are just weak on War"

We must have been educated in 2 totally different countries. I seem to remember that FDR & Truman were pretty strong on war. And it was a Democrat that prevented nukes from destorying North America during the Cuban missle crisis.

Modern day Democrats are just as strong. I'll choose the leadership & war time character of a Jack Murtha or General Wesley Clark over your cocaine snorting / alcoholic National Guard flunkie of a President any day.

If you have read one ounce of American history, you know that BOTH Republican & Democratic Presidents have done some great things & some really horrible things at times of war.


Well its sad Dems are no longer that way.

Dems want to take off and stop the War to protect ourselfs and The Reps want to keep fighting.

And I can go on and on and on about what Dems have done, so let keep it on point. "About the War".

[Nathan Brazil]

I'm sorry but not all of us vote a straight ticket, I voted for dems and republicans.



That's a straight ticket. There's no difference between them. They're both for letting Mexico walk in and take over. They're both for doing nothing to fix Socialist Security, let alone doing the right thing and ending it. They're both for spending OPM to buy votes.

The Repulbican half of The Party lost a little bit this month simply because the real Americans got fed up with them acting exactly like the Democrats.

But it doesn't make any difference, because there's no difference between the two wings of The Party that mean anything.

[Nathan Brazil]

Now see......here you are just wrong.....we can multi-task. We can get that deficiet down so your kid's kid's won't have to pay it and keep them safe from war at the same time!

Oh? Which domestic programs did the Democrats promise to eliminate during their campaigns? I must have missed them.

[Nathan Brazil]

Why do you "know" Dems are weak on war? Is it because Dems were responsible for winning both World Wars?

The Dems were responsible for getting us into both world wars, you mean. Especially the first one, which we should have impeached Wilson for.

Is it because the last war fought under a Dem president left ZERO American casualties?

Yeah, we could have bombed Iraq from 35,000 feet, too. But unlike Clinton, Bush wasn't fighting a war to provide headline news to cover up a report detailing his illegal dealings with the Chinese Army and his political campaign. The US actually had a real goal in Iraq.

Is it because so many Democratic Senators and House Representatives are heroic veterans?

Who? One idiot got rice blown into his buttocks when he played with a grenade, and another got his legs blown off when he played with a grenade. Frankly, the veterans in both parties in the House and Senate aren't an impressive lot. It's been a long time since they were at war, and it's pretty damn clear that their motivations today aren't related to any real concern for the men now in the field.

Is it because Democrats would prefer that our soldiers don't die in unnecessary wars?

The Democrats today generally prefer surrender and don't view any war as necessary. Knee-jerk pacifism isn't a virtue, it's suicide.

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that they should at least have the proper body armor available?

Here's a clue: When soldiers MUST fight, they have to do it NOW, they can't wait for perfect supplies. Did the Democrats vote unanimously at some time to provide sufficient body armor to the troops and the measure failed due to lack of GOP support or a presidential veto? No. Then you can't claim any kind of virtue here.

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that the Commander in Chief has not lied to America about the reasons we must fight?

You mean those Democrats that voted overwhelmingly in support of resolutions supporting the pending invasion of Iraq? You know, the ones that had access to the same information the president did? I always enjoyed hearing complaints about how Bush lied from people who think Clinton was a good president. The halitosis of their hypocrisy makes a fragrant reminder of just how evil Democrats really are.

Or that, when soldiers must fight, Democrats believe that we should have a plan for victory, and a subsequent exit strategy?

Oh? We still have troops in Bosnia. We went into Haiti for what purpose? Our exit strategy was what, again?

Was the invasion of Iraq well thought out? Not really. Were we attempting something new? Yup. So that's what happens.

Are those the reasons that you believe that Democrats are weak?

Belief doesn't come into it. No one can argue with facts. Nancy Pelosi has been insisting that a former judged impeached for bribery (who somehow got elected to the House. Democrats!) and who's been very weak in national defense take the Chairmanship of the House Intelligence Committee (should be on ethics, eh?). While I don't much like Jane Harman, she's clearly better qualified that Alcee Hastings for any job more significant than toilet cleaner.

[lily]

Now see......here you are just wrong.....we can multi-task. We can get that deficiet down so your kid's kid's won't have to pay it and keep them safe from war at the same time!

Oh?Â*Â*Which domestic programs did the Democrats promise to eliminate during their campaigns?Â*Â*I must have missed them.


Don't need to eliminate programs, Nathan. Pay as you go.

You mean those Democrats that voted overwhelmingly in support of resolutions supporting the pending invasion of Iraq? You know, the ones that had access to the same information the president did? I always enjoyed hearing complaints about how Bush lied from people who think Clinton was a good president. The halitosis of their hypocrisy makes a fragrant reminder of just how evil Democrats really are.

Information we now know was manufactured. Some Republicans as well as Democrats regret their vote and would have voted differently, if given the true facts.

[Nathan Brazil]

Don't need to eliminate programs, Nathan. Pay as you go.

Of course you need to eliminate programs. "Pay as you go" is wonderful if you're visiting a toilet, but it's not so great when the person paying isn't the person getting the benefits. Especially when 90% of the prorgams the money is being wasted on aren't even Constitutional.

People without kids shouldn't have to pay to support public schools.

People who want to retire should have their very own money saved up to do it.


You mean those Democrats that voted overwhelmingly in support of resolutions supporting the pending invasion of Iraq?Â*Â*You know, the ones that had access to the same information the president did?Â*Â*I always enjoyed hearing complaints about how Bush lied from people who think Clinton was a good president.Â*Â*The halitosis of their hypocrisy makes a fragrant reminder of just how evil Democrats really are.

Information we now know was manufactured. Some Republicans as well as Democrats regret their vote and would have voted differently, if given the true facts.[/quote]

They had the same information as the President did. And if wishes were horses, everyone would have shit on their shoes. The Surrender Monkeys like to dwell in a fairyland past that never existed, and waste valuable time and resources in the process.

We're there. We can't just walk away. Too bad the Democrats won't deal with this basic reality.

[Buck Laser]

Especially when 90% of the prorgams the money is being wasted on aren't even Constitutional.


What? Are you a constitutional lawyer?

[lily]

Nathan Brazil



Of course you need to eliminate programs. "Pay as you go" is wonderful if you're visiting a toilet, but it's not so great when the person paying isn't the person getting the benefits. Especially when 90% of the prorgams the money is being wasted on aren't even Constitutional.

People without kids shouldn't have to pay to support public schools.

People who want to retire should have their very own money saved up to do it.

Nathan......we've had this discussion before. Lobby to put a box on your income tax to where you want your money to go to, both state and federal.


They had the same information as the President did. And if wishes were horses, everyone would have shit on their shoes. The Surrender Monkeys like to dwell in a fairyland past that never existed, and waste valuable time and resources in the process.

Well.....it was you who brought up the subject. I can't help it if you don't like my answer. Let me ask you......do you think if there actually were a nuke in Iran anyone would believe this president?

We're there. We can't just walk away. Too bad the Democrats won't deal with this basic reality.

Walk away? Where did I say that?

[Nathan Brazil]

Right, you're not capable of arguing the morality of taxation for socialism (it has none), so you tell everyone who's willing to admit that socialism is the greatest evil facing mankind to ask congress to change things.

As if that will do anything.

[lily]

Whew! I said all that?!?

[Buck Laser]

I'd like to ask Nathan once again what his credentials as a constitutional lawyer are.

[Nathan Brazil]

I'm God.

[ECW]

I'm God.


I thought there was another guy on this forum who already claimed that. You're a few weeks too late.

[Buck Laser]

I'm God.

When my kids were little, they used to run around with a stick yelling "I'm God! I'm God!" I finally figured out that they'd been watch a sword fighting cartoon where the characters constantly said "en garde."

[lily]

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