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Anti-Racism
11-01-2006, 02:36 AM
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Even though we know that crazy, dumb and greedy people outnumber nice, smart, decent ones, and we see whole elections snagged by the basest liar, we insist it will work. Can it?
Elrathin
11-01-2006, 02:41 AM
Even though we know that crazy, dumb and greedy people outnumber nice, smart, decent ones, and we see whole elections snagged by the basest liar, we insist it will work. Can it?


And what do you propose for the U.S. instead of Democracy?
cs0564
11-01-2006, 02:50 AM
Democracy is the worst for of government, but it is the only one that works (paraphrased Churchil)
Labrocca
11-01-2006, 03:48 AM
Democracy has worked...does work ...and is currently working.
Elrathin
11-01-2006, 03:54 AM
Democracy has worked...does work ...and is currently working.


ACtually a democratic republic has worked, not democracy. A true democracy has never worked for long. The problem is, our system is failing and because of one thing and one thing only. The people. The people have the control to prevent corruption in the government by voting their representatives out. The problem is, people have become lazy and do not excercise their rights to from their own government or care about what their representatives are doing as a whole. Instead of the representatives being the servants of the people, they want the people to be the servants of the representatives.

My proof to this, the people that constantly vote representatives in that CONTINUALLY prove to abuse their power and the fact we don't have a 95% or higher turnout for voting.

While I blame congress and the administration for the corruption we have seen, I blame the people even more. Because THEY can stop it if only they would get involved.
cs0564
11-02-2006, 12:58 AM
Democracy has worked...does work ...and is currently working.


ACtually a democratic republic has worked, not democracy.Â*Â*A true democracy has never worked for long.Â*Â*The problem is, our system is failing and because of one thing and one thing only.Â*Â*The people.Â*Â*The people have the control to prevent corruption in the government by voting their representatives out.Â*Â*The problem is, people have become lazy and do not excercise their rights to from their own government or care about what their representatives are doing as a whole.Â*Â*Instead of the representatives being the servants of the people, they want the people to be the servants of the representatives.

My proof to this, the people that constantly vote representatives in that CONTINUALLY prove to abuse their power and the fact we don't have a 95% or higher turnout for voting.

While I blame congress and the administration for the corruption we have seen, I blame the people even more.Â*Â*Because THEY can stop it if only they would get involved.


can't say I like this, but I agree with Elrathin. Corruption has been rampant since the 92 election more so than in any other time in our country's history. Bush has treid to curb some of it, but I think we all know that is an impossible task.
Anti-Racism
11-02-2006, 03:52 AM
And what do you propose for the U.S. instead of Democracy?


Answer the question first. If Democracy doesn't work, then we know we need something else.
Elrathin
11-02-2006, 05:07 AM
Answer the question first. If Democracy doesn't work, then we know we need something else.


We have that is why we do a democratic republic. A TRUE DEMOCRACY means the rule of the majority. Do you really like that idea?

That means NO PROTECTION against the rule of the majority on the minority.
cs0564
11-03-2006, 02:07 AM
YES! Majority rule that is properly balanced by the three different house's (Presdential, Legislative, Judiciary) seems to work well if each house follws the intent of our constitution. Last 15 years we have had issues with all three.

Still best place inthe world BABY to live and raise a family!

Life in Americas is GRAND compared to other places!
Anti-Racism
11-03-2006, 03:59 AM
Yet problems persist, and worsen, so that may be a temporary artifact.
Elrathin
11-03-2006, 04:16 AM
YES! Majority rule that is properly balanced by the three different house's (Presdential, Legislative, Judiciary) seems to work well if each house follws the intent of our constitution. Last 15 years we have had issues with all three.

Sorry but we do not have a majority rule. It is blanaced by the protection of some minorities as well.
Elrathin
11-03-2006, 04:16 AM
can't say I like this, but I agree with Elrathin. Corruption has been rampant since the 92 election more so than in any other time in our country's history. Bush has treid to curb some of it, but I think we all know that is an impossible task.


Um corruption hasn't happened starting from 92 until you are actually saying Nixon was innocent. Corruption has been rampant for quite a LONG TIME.
cs0564
11-03-2006, 04:38 AM
Even in a near perfect world problems exist!
cs0564
11-03-2006, 04:41 AM
can't say I like this, but I agree with Elrathin.Â*Â*Corruption has been rampant since the 92 election more so than in any other time in our country's history.Â*Â*Bush has treid to curb some of it, but I think we all know that is an impossible task.


Um corruption hasn't happened starting fromÂ*Â*92 until you are actually saying Nixon was innocent.Â*Â*Corruption has been rampant for quite a LONG TIME.


Tell me again what corruption Nixon did worse than that of Clinton or Jimmy Carter? It has happened since the beginning of this country. Clinton however brought in a whole new animal with the items he and his posse did.
cs0564
11-03-2006, 04:45 AM
YES!Â*Â*Majority rule that is properly balanced by the three different house's (Presdential, Legislative, Judiciary) seems to work well if each house follws the intent of our constitution.Â*Â*Last 15 years we have had issues with all three.

Sorry but we do not have a majority rule.Â*Â*It is blanaced by the protection of some minorities as well.


hum? Not sure how minority's pass votes without the majority. Could be wrong though, but doesn't it take a majority to get something passed on capitol hill? laws are suppose to start there and then be passed. The legislative portion is suppose to view the legality of the law, but unfortunaltely they have abused that right and have legislated from the bench. Compound that with no line item veto power and we get to the point where we are now.
Elrathin
11-03-2006, 04:46 AM
hum? Not sure how minority's pass votes without the majority.


It's called the judicial branch.
cs0564
11-03-2006, 05:02 AM
Last time I looked the Judicial branch wasn't suppose to make laws. They were suppose to enforce laws that were created and passed through both house of congress then approved by the president. Just a little history lesson that most LIBS fail to understand.

LAWS ARE NOT MADE BY THE BENCH!
Elrathin
11-03-2006, 05:13 AM
Last time I looked the Judicial branch wasn't suppose to make laws. They were suppose to enforce laws that were created and passed through both house of congress then approved by the president. Just a little history lesson that most LIBS fail to understand.

LAWS ARE NOT MADE BY THE BENCH!


They are supposed to INTERPRET the CONSTITUTION. Hence they protect the rights of the minority and protect them from tyranny of the majority.

Laws are found to be unconstitutional by the judicial branch at times.

What you call making laws, are REALLY called making laws unconstitutional. Which IS THEIR JOB. Something the conservatives FAIL to understand.
cs0564
11-03-2006, 07:12 AM
No Sir! The Bench seems to make laws too. Many of which are not really there. The good news is though that we now have conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Look out!
Elrathin
11-03-2006, 02:24 PM
The good news is though that we now have conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Look out!


Sounds like your just pissed cause there were liberal decisions being made. Now that there are conservatives on the bench, you don't seem to mind them doing the same thing.
cs0564
11-04-2006, 02:41 AM
Sounds like your just pissed cause there were liberal decisions being made.Â*Â*Now that there are conservatives on the bench, you don't seem to mind them doing the same thing.


No I am not pissed about anything actually! I do not want corruption from anyone, on the left or right. I want our government to run the way our founding fathers planned for it to run. On basic principles of eqaluity and justice for all.

Absolute power corrupts absolutly. I am not a neo-conservative, but I think my morals, values, and ideas are conservative.

Sounds like you may be the angry one Elrathin. You lose this one :)
firefox
11-07-2006, 07:08 AM
All I can say is http://www.democracyisnotfreedom.com/, guys!
Anti-Racism
11-12-2006, 02:44 PM
Even more, we see few historical examples of working democracy and none on a large scale.

"Freedom" is an abused word.
cs0564
11-12-2006, 03:00 PM
Even more, we see few historical examples of working democracy and none on a large scale.

"Freedom" is an abused word.


Seriously? Few historical examples? What would you propsoe then?

"For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others".Nelson Mandela (1918 - )

FREEDOM is a beautiful thing!