* The Dehumanazation Of Aborted Babies To Harvest Their Parts*

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But sure this topic reads like hell, but that's what it is.
2. And that's where humans are going.
3. With the countless deaths of the living babies within the womb of a woman.
4. Those poor souls, babies have you, who are extinguished in the womb, as of now, are respected that their bodies are still their own.
5. And have and do get a proper burial in America.
6. But how long will that be?
7. Will the Liberals state a claim to those body parts for the good of mankind?
8. Will they claim that those baby eye's would be better served seeing that that baby will be put to death, and won't be needing them?
9. Liver, whatever.
10. This is going to come about sooner or later.
11. I say the ghoulish Liberals will be buying there way into Hell, for this is worse than mass murderer's, and is lower than an animal could ever consider.
12. It will take place, and I see it as an Abomination.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

I'm sure those 'liberals' will save you republicans a warm seat in hell, while all the thousands of soldiers american and iraq,you suppported the deaths of, ascend to what you call heaven.

[sbannon]

Chess, your position seems to place babies, "Those poor souls", into some special emotional status. Where's that come from? Babies are no more special than adults, are you opposed to adults donating their organs to others?

Nothing makes babies special and here's how I know that. Every Crackhead I grew up with in the poor end of Pittsburgh has popped out bunches of them. If a Crackhead can do it, it ain't special.

So why would you oppose, if medicine could use them and their parents agreed, the use of life saving organs and tissue (which isn't needed to reach that precious Heaven anyway) for those who'd need it?

I certainly wouldn't support "forced organ donations", but I've never heard anybody seriously suggest that, so I have to assume your rant was on consensual organ donations.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But what the Liberals want is, stem cell research, which kills the unborn, also all other types of abortions are unconscionable.
2. Its without regard to human life.
3. We must reverse this course.
4. We have to get back to whats right.
5. Protect the babies at all costs, even the life of the mother.
6. I disagree strongly to any and all abortions.
7. Even stem cell, get rid of it all!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Chess, your position seems to place babies, "Those poor souls", into some special emotional status. Where's that come from? Babies are no more special than adults, are you opposed to adults donating their organs to others?

Babies are completely defenseless and innocent. I am not sure that I get the context in which you are making this comment Sbannon but you are way off base with the commentary above.

At least an adult could defend himself.

[sbannon]

And babies/children have their parents to defend them. Which is why I asked in that same posting, why would a parent consenting to donating be wrong?

[BoogyMan]

And babies/children have their parents to defend them. Which is why I asked in that same posting, why would a parent consenting to donating be wrong?


I think we may be looking at this with two different views of what is being discussed. I am talking about the practice of aborting a baby purely for the purpose of donating his/her tissues. This definately fits the slippery slope scenario.

[sbannon]

BoogyMan, I can see where that would be revolting to many and that's not exactly how I was seeing what Chess put forward. My knee-jerk reaction to what you describe is that would be wrong, but I'd have to ponder it further before I actually say that is or isn't my position.

[CheesyMuslim]

I think we may be looking at this with two different views of what is being discussed.Â*Â*I am talking about the practice of aborting a baby purely for the purpose of donating his/her tissues.Â*Â*This definitely fits the slippery slope scenario.



Sorry bout that,

1. But that's why I your highly trained Conservative Republican Adviser, made this thread.
2. I know where they are going with this, give in a little, and inch, they take a mile, baby's directly from the womb, straight to the Operating Rooms.
3. That's my job to see when bad/evil, things are set to cometh this wayeth.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Technocrat]

Well, there's little reason to kill fully formed babies, or even abort fetuses on purpose to harvest. We can clone, and cloning will be useful.

However, it is better to kill a fetus and "harvest" the organs, hypothetically, if the alternative is that more people will die. The life of a fetus isn't worth the life of a person. Fetuses are not persons, especially in the early stages.

They have none of the characteristics of personhood. It is not until late into the first trimester that they begin to become sentient. They don't become self-aware and increasingly sapient untill very late in pregnancy. It's therefore not wrong to kill them to save others. They do not have the capacity to create preferences for desired continuance of life. They neither exhibit the rational facutilies or the important "self" concept that persons do.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Oh but contraire.
2. Life begins before life.
3. Gawd knew you before you were conceived in the womb.
4. You are just unaware of it.
5. I the Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser can tell you this, and you should know its true.
6. Unless the Liberals learn to respect the unborn, we will have a revolution in America some day.
7. And its a done deal Liberals will lose.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Technocrat]

2. Life begins before life.

That's illogical. It's self-contradicting. Something cannot exist before it begins.


3. Gawd knew you before you were conceived in the womb.

More illogic. You cannot know someone who doesn't exist. Nothing exists as a person prior to conception. Therefore, your statement is moronic, as usual.

Try more logic, less sophistry and masturbation. It would help you make sense.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But are you sure about that Technocrat?
2. I am seldom wrong, you feel like you have caught me being wrong then?
3. It has happened before, but this isn't one of those times.
4. Man has a spirit, and this spirit, is; way before you and I were ever born.
5. And that spirit is eternal.
6. And what happens at death, those spirits that honored Gawd/Jesus, return to Gawd.
7. Those that do not, go directly to hell.
8. I don't make the laws of Gawd, just report them.
9. You may attack the messenger if you please.
10. I have become accustomed to it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

4. Man has a spirit, and this spirit, is; way before you and I were ever born.
5. And that spirit is eternal.
6. And what happens at death, those spirits that honored Gawd/Jesus, return to Gawd.
7. Those that do not, go directly to hell.
8. I don't make the laws of Gawd, just report them.
9. You may attack the messenger if you please.
10. I have become accustomed to it.


That is your opinion of what happens, but nothing more. You can no more prove the Christian God exists any more than a Muslim can prove the Muslim god exists.

[askates]

Magic Words
In the very earliest time,
when both people and animals lived on earth,
a person could become an animal if he wanted to
and an animal could become a human being.

Sometimes they were people
and sometimes animals
and there was no difference.

All spoke the same language.
That was the time when words were like magic.

The human mind had mysterious powers.

A word spoken by chance
might have strange consequences.

It would suddenly come alive
and what people wanted to happen could happen ?
all you had to do was say it.

Nobody could explain this:
That's the way it was.


translated from the Inuit (Eskimo)

[Technocrat]

1. But are you sure about that Technocrat?

Indeed, and far more justified in my assuredness than you will ever be in belief in your falsified Christian God.


2. I am seldom wrong, you feel like you have caught me being wrong then?

You are obviously wrong.


3. It has happened before, but this isn't one of those times.

Of course it is.


4. Man has a spirit, and this spirit, is; way before you and I were ever born.

No evidence.


5. And that spirit is eternal.

No evidence.


6. And what happens at death, those spirits that honored Gawd/Jesus, return to Gawd.

No evidence.


7. Those that do not, go directly to hell.

No evidence.


8. I don't make the laws of Gawd, just report them.
9. You may attack the messenger if you please.
10. I have become accustomed to it.

Your not a messanger. Your deranged and mentally ill.
You think you are talking to an imaginary friend in the sky. That's schizophrenic. You need help. And fast.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lol!!!!!!!!!!
2. You will be the one with your a$$ showing when its all over.
3. I can not say I feel bad for you.
4. You will get your just desserts it would seem.
5. Having been forewarned, you clamor on, like a mad man talking to a basket ball.
6. To each their own.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

6. To each their own.


why don't you actually take that advice? Instead of forcing your values on everyone.

[cs0564]

6. To each their own.


why don't you actually take that advice?Â*Â*Instead of forcing your values on everyone.


I would say to ElRAThin the same thing my mama would say:

"Sounds like the pea calling the kettle black".

[Elrathin]

I would say to ElRAThin the same thing my mama would say:

"Sounds like the pea calling the kettle black".


Funny, I am not calling for Christians to stop believing in their faith, but I do see conservatives trying to force gays from marrying and trying to force their morals on everyone else. Nice try, but you lose.

And it is "the pot calling the kettle black", not the pea. I won't even go there with the obvious comments I can make on what you just said.

[lily]

Sorry bout that,


4. Man has a spirit, and this spirit, is; way before you and I were ever born.
5. And that spirit is eternal.
6. And what happens at death, those spirits that honored Gawd/Jesus, return to Gawd.
7. Those that do not, go directly to hell.
8. I don't make the laws of Gawd, just report them.Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Ok, chess you got my curiosity peaked on this one. Your spirit is eternal you say. When you die it either goes to heven or hell.....were is it before you're born?

[Anti-Racism]

4. Those poor souls, babies have you, who are extinguished in the womb, as of now, are respected that their bodies are still their own.


And when we overpopulate, we all die, but at least we're finally EQUAL!!!

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,


4. Man has a spirit, and this spirit, is; way before you and I were ever born.
5. And that spirit is eternal.
6. And what happens at death, those spirits that honored Gawd/Jesus, return to Gawd.
7. Those that do not, go directly to hell.
8. I don't make the laws of Gawd, just report them.Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Ok, chess you got my curiosity peaked on this one. Your spirit is eternal you say. When you die it either goes to heven or hell.....were is it before you're born?



Sorry bout that,

1. With Gawd/Jesus of-course.
2. I would of thought you knew that.
3. But I see by you asking, I was mistaken.
4. But how else could Gawd/Jesus know you beforehand?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Then he has all these little unborn souls sitting around with him, just getting to know them?

[Technocrat]

That's another aspect about Christianity that makes postively no sense. If God already has all the souls up there with him, why put them on earth, wait for them to die, and then collect them again. He's gaining nothing. He's only purposefully putting them on a dangerous planet where they can suffer.

In essense, God is an ant-farmer.

That's simply retarded. God's a moron.

[cs0564]

I would say to ElRAThin the same thing my mama would say:

"Sounds like the pea calling the kettle black".


Funny, I am not calling for Christians to stop believing in their faith, but I do see conservatives trying to force gays from marrying and trying to force their morals on everyone else.Â*Â*Nice try, but you lose.


So why do you and your significant other not marry? If that is your gig than knock yourself out. Nothing is keeping gay's from marrying and spending the rest of their lifes together. If ytou have to have a government say "It's OK" than your living in the wroing place. It will not happen.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Gawd has a plan.
2. Your just a small ant to him I see.
3. But that could change.
4. Not likely, but it could.
5. Unless you can seek him out, there is no hope.
6. You could look at life as a test.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But Gawd has a plan.
2. Your just a small ant to him I see.
3. But that could change.
4. Not likely, but it could.
5. Unless you can seek him out, there is no hope.
6. You could look at life as a test.


You didn't refute a single thing Techno said.

[Technocrat]

1. But Gawd has a plan.
2. Your just a small ant to him I see.
3. But that could change.
4. Not likely, but it could.
5. Unless you can seek him out, there is no hope.
6. You could look at life as a test.


You didn't refute a single thing Techno said.





It's obvious that the God of the bible is logically contradictory at amost every stage, in addition to him being a sadistic asshole. God, and his followers offer you salvation for problems they themselves cause. Imagine someone who came up to your, slit your wrist, and then offered you a bandage and comfort. That's an Evangalistic for God. God offers "salvation" from what he created in the first place. Either he's an imbecile, or he's just sadistic. Well, he could be both.

[Elrathin]

So why do you and your significant other not marry?


I am married to my lovely wife. And I still do not disaprove of gay marriage. Imagine that. Thanks for trying to make a personal attack. ONe that failed.

[lily]

I don't see how you could call that a personal attack, El. You support and have no prejudice against gays. I could see it being one, if you said that to a homophobe, and you're far from that!

[Elrathin]

I don't see how you could call that a personal attack, El. You support and have no prejudice against gays. I could see it being one, if you said that to a homophobe, and you're far from that!


Well when you're right your right.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But my * This Thread Just Got Hijacked * alarm, just went off.
2. I read two folks blubbering about how they respect homo's.
3. And are not some kind of twisted homophobes.
4. I think that we have some topic stealer's here.
5. Okay Labrocca, show these two the door!
6. Just kidding.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[cs0564]

Made an assumption by your comments. It wasn't meant as a persoanl attack. The issue is that gays can marry anyone they want. What is stopping them? The answer is NOTHING!

[Danoz]

God, and his followers offer you salvation for problems they themselves cause. Imagine someone who came up to your, slit your wrist, and then offered you a bandage and comfort.


I like that analogy because it really is a very modest example of the logic involved in the christian mindset. Dooming the entire human race to hell indirectly through god's predestined will, then offering them a way out if they manage to hear about it (which is highly unlikely outside of western culture), and knowing that the magority will not make a propper commitment because they're not convinced (read: nominal christians) is not demonstrative of god's mercy. Quite the opposite

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But you would find that comforting.
2. Finding a like mindset is always attractive to others who have fallen.
3. The Gospels have reached the ends of the Earth, anyone can accept it.
4. If they refuse it, they refuse life.
5. Which happens even to those who once understood Gawds Grace.
6. Both end up losing out.
7. Some people have a morbid curiosity, rather than a respect for their own lives, and future.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Danoz]

Sorry bout that,

1. But you would find that comforting.
2. Finding a like mindset is always attractive to others who have fallen.
3. The Gospels have reached the ends of the Earth, anyone can accept it.
4. If they refuse it, they refuse life.
5. Which happens even to those who once understood Gawds Grace.
6. Both end up losing out.
7. Some people have a morbid curiosity, rather than a respect for their own lives, and future.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Actually I was agreeing about how screwed up and UNCOMFORTABLE the whole concept of god's election was chess. There is nothing comforting in the idea that god will only possibly save 5% of the worlds population and doom the rest to hell forever.

I refuse chrisianity because I believe it to be complete rubbish. Just like you consider Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism to be complete rubbish. You are just as much the agnostic (though you're more than likely athiestic) as I am to those particular faiths. The difference between you and me though is that I, in Richard Dawkins' words: "just go one religion further than you"

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But did you make the thistle plant?
2. A story where one of the elect was tried, and he didn't always do the correct thing in the site of the test.
3. But still made it, and we learned from it too.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[wonder cow]

wonder cow quizes himself

Is harvesting the parts from an aborted fetus ethical?

No.

Is abortion "good".

No.

Why are there so many abortions every year when, for the most part, it is preventable?

I don't know. I wish I did.

Why don't people who say they care about the abortion issue do something extra-legal to drastically reduce the number of abortions each year, instead of wasting so much money, time, and effort on destroying or defending Roe v. Wade?

Because it is such a great political tool on both sides to motivate your base and win elections.

So, the Roe v. Wade debate itself is probably responsible for the needless slaughter of millions of unborn babies over the last 30 years?

Most likely.

[Danoz]

1. But did you make the thistle plant?
2. A story where one of the elect was tried, and he didn't always do the correct thing in the site of the test.
3. But still made it, and we learned from it too.


How does this relate to anything we have been talking about?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Yes wonder cow, there is a political angle to this whole baby killing reality.
2. And the Liberals claim its their right to be able to flush their babies Lives.
3. And they have hawked this in the Law of the Land.
4. Their Lawyers have installed this into it.
5. To the detriment of all Americans.
6. The Liberals wanted it and the Liberals got it.
7. Now they sooth each others conscience by saying the baby isn't a human till it can live outside the womb on its on.
8. A lie straight from hell!
9. Its a crime, what they do, and its a crime towards humanity in general.
10. The animal world is more civilized than Liberal Humans.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[crimzonsol]

So if I understand your argument you say that women that have unintentional teenage pregnancies should have to endure all the pain both physically and emotionally as well as raise the child, a task that many people ready for child birth cannot accomplish. Think for a moment about the ten year old girl sexual abused by her father, should she be forced to give birth to the baby. How could she live her life if every time she gazed at her child she remembered what her father did to her life? No human could live their life like that; eventually the mother will come to hate her child. This child will be unable to function in a normal environment and the results of her life were accurately portrayed recently, maybe you now of it the shooting at Virginia Tech campus. So unless you support that kind of action why not let the girl abort the fetus and let the remains be used by science to perhaps save someone’s life. Killing 32 people or saving someone’s life, you decide which the more desirable outcome is.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But a women doesn't own her baby machine.
2. The women's womb is a place owned by the baby which lives inside, when ever a baby is in one.
3. The women is just the host of the baby, and of-course mother.
4. Nowadays in America, the women has owned the womb, and ever sense then a murderous holocaust has been taking place.
5. Its a human tragedy, on no other matching scale, not even the Jewish Holocaust was worse.
6. To rip out a baby from its womb, is frankenstian.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

I'm sure your wife would be pleased to know that you consider her an incubator.

[ticbeast]

So, by your logic, a mother could injure her womb and the baby could sue her for damages to the baby's property?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But nobody really owns their bodies.
2. Its a lease.
3. We all have borrowed time in these bodies.
4. I for one intend to turn mine in some day for a far better one.
5. A re-created one, that will never age or get worn out.
6. Then we who make the grade, shall truly own those bodies.
7. How we deal with these bodies now, reflect if we get those bodies then.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[AlonzoMourning23]

5. Its a human tragedy, on no other matching scale, not even the Jewish Holocaust was worse.


Somehow I think if you went to a holocaust survivors meeting and told someone "I survived a worst holocaust than you", you wouldn't find many supporters.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. What was done to the Jews is deplorable.
2. And hideous beyond description.
3. But watch a film of what an abortion doctors has been doing to unwanted babies.
4. If it doesn't touch your soul to the marrow, then your a dead soul already.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[AlonzoMourning23]

Somehow I fail to have much empathy for something that has minimal to no brain function, and which cannot fail pain, which is the case for most aborted fetuses.

I'm just funny that way.

[crimzonsol]

So Your only arguement is that the Bible is Right and Never Can Be Wrong. If you can come up with logical arguement please write it. and you still have not anwsered my question about which case is better suicide or saving someones life

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Zo, dude.
2. You equating life with pain is typically stated by a neoliberal.
3. Pain isn't the life factor.
4. Its the blood.
5. Seeing the baby can bleed he/she, is alive.
6. There is no other true measure of life, but the escape of blood.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Zo, dude.
2. You equating life with pain is typically stated by a neoliberal.
3. Pain isn't the life factor.
4. Its the blood.
5. Seeing the baby can bleed he/she, is alive.
6. There is no other true measure of life, but the escape of blood.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas



Must-resist-the-reply-I-want-to-make.

[crimzonsol]

so then a blood transfusion is against god?

[AlonzoMourning23]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Zo, dude.
2. You equating life with pain is typically stated by a neoliberal.
3. Pain isn't the life factor.
4. Its the blood.
5. Seeing the baby can bleed he/she, is alive.
6. There is no other true measure of life, but the escape of blood.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


So if an embryo can't bleed yet, that means people can abort as many as they want?

Guess I'll be cracking open my "cooking with embryos" cookbook then.

[crimzonsol]

So Then When We go to heaven we are no longer alive. Also If The aborted fetus does not bleed then The abortion is corect. Liberals no longer claim aborted fetuses for science, they now have something called stem cell Lines and most of those are from Marrow Cells.