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Stoner
09-03-2008, 08:24 AM
I was blown away by Joe Lieberman. Here's a longtime Democrat, even ran for VP with that guy that invented the internet and global warming, and he puts aside political affiliations and stands up for the man he knows is the best to lead this country.

I stand up and applaud you, Joe. You are a true man and American.

His speech was amazing.

President Bush addressed the crowd at the Xcel Energy Center via satellite from the White House. Fred Thompson painted a historical picture of Sen. John McCain's heroic five-year struggle in a Vietnamese prison camp. There was a video tribute to former President Ronald Reagan.

Yet it was a speech from an unlikely source that not only stole the spotlight, but also set the stage for an even bloodier political war down the road.

Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman said America needs a president that can be counted on in a time of war. For him, the candidate is Republican McCain.

Lieberman, a Democrat-turned-independent who was the blue side's candidate for vice president in 2000, said that while Sen. Barack Obama was voting to cut off funding for troops in Iraq, McCain took the unpopular position to support a surge in troops.

"Because of that, today, our troops are at last beginning to come home, not in failure, but in honor," Lieberman said.

Lieberman said that in times like these, country matters more than political parties.


"I'm here tonight because John McCain is the best choice to bring our country together and lead our country forward. I'm here because John McCain's whole life testifies to a great truth: being a Democrat or a Republican is important. But it is not more important than being an American," Lieberman said.

Charles Schumer, the senior Senator from New York, begs to differ. In fact, most Democrats are furious with Lieberman.

"I like Joe Lieberman, but that's a big mistake for him," Schumer said. "To be pro-war and to have his views on the issues, everyone respects that. But you don't go over to the other side."

Former New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean praised Lieberman for breaking ranks despite the consequences he's likely to face.

"He's going to be punished by the Democratic Party and he knows it. But he wants to do it because he thinks he's the best candidate for president," Kean said.

Lieberman could lose his Homeland Security Committee chairmanship. Right now the Democrats need him to hold the majority, but if they pick up seats in the fall all bets are off.

It's most unusual for a Democrat to get the prime speaking spot at a Republican convention, but McCain's selection of Lieberman says a lot about how he wants America to view him, not only as a Republican but as an Independent, as a maverick.

"Joe Lieberman and John McCain speak in one voice and that appeal goes far beyond conservatives and Republicans and reaches into independents and Reagan Democrats," said Rep. Peter King, R-Nassau County.

Lieberman said he wasn't going to attack Obama on Tuesday night. McCain doesn't need him for that. There are plenty of Republicans to make the red meat political arguments, but Lieberman still managed to get some barbs in.

"Sen. Obama is a gifted and eloquent young man who can do great things for our country in the years ahead," Lieberman said. "But eloquence is no substitute for a record -- not in these tough times."

In a clear appeal for backers of Obama's former rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Lieberman said, "Contrast that to John McCain's record, or the record of the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who stood up to some of those same Democratic interest groups and worked with Republicans to get important things done like welfare reform, free trade agreements, and a balanced budget."

Lieberman tried to use his experience with homeland security, his religion -- he is an orthodox Jew -- and his reputation for voting his conscience to swing disaffected Democrats to McCain.

"I think it's a very strong signal to Jewish Democrats that there's a comfort level they can have in the McCain presidency and Joe Lieberman's support adds a great deal of credibility to that argument," said former New York gubernatorial candidate John Faso, R-Kinderhook.

Republicans seemed generally pleased on Tuesday that Lieberman was crossing the aisle.

"I don't know much about Joe Lieberman, but if he wants to join us he's welcome, Jewish or non Jewish," Eleanor Friedman said.

"I believe he's going to swing a lot of people that may have some doubts," said Rockland County Republican Committee Chairman Vincent Reda. "I think he brings a lot to us as Republicans."

"They've always said the senator was a maverick and it does help bind the parties," Long Island delegate Peri Zausner said. "We do all have to work together when you get down to the bottom line."



http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/joe.lieberman.republican.2.808783.html

theoutsider
09-03-2008, 09:04 AM
The fact that he expressed support for Palin without knowing her and while disagreeing with her stance on everything takes away any respect he may have deserved for going with his conscience or whatever it is he claims to be doing.

G.B.
09-03-2008, 09:11 AM
Zell Miller did the same. I wonder why. Go beyond the red and blue rhetoric. Why would two long time Democrats suddenly cross party lines and do what they did? What motivated them to do it?

theoutsider
09-03-2008, 09:18 AM
Zell Miller did the same. I wonder why. Go beyond the red and blue rhetoric. Why would two long time Democrats suddenly cross party lines and do what they did? What motivated them to do it?

I'm not sure where you're going with this: two folks who think America should be fighting a series of wars. The fact that there aren't more defections on both sides only shows that the red, blue divide is far too strong. What's your point here, again?

Trish
09-03-2008, 12:29 PM
I didn't see the speech live. I've only read the transcript. My favorite part is "...being a Democrat or a Republican is important. But it is not more important than being an American."

I've always liked and respected Lieberman. I still do. I honestly believe he spoke last night because he truly believes John McCain is the best choice for the country. One thing is clear to me. Even if this was a matter of personal integrity for Liebermann, and I believe it was, he's going to pay one hell of a price for standing up for his beliefs. He put his entire political career on the line last night. If McCain wins, he has a few more years in politics. If McCain loses, Liebermann loses as well. Either way, he will be soundly spanked by Democrats for taking a stand outside party lines.

I don't know that Lieberman is right about McCain. However, even if you don't agree with Liebermann, you've got to admire and respect someone that is willing to risk so much personally for principle. It's an event all too rare in politics regardless of party.

NIOSA
09-03-2008, 03:11 PM
I agree Trish. Good post. :clapper:

Truth_and_Power
09-03-2008, 03:14 PM
I didn't see the speech live. I've only read the transcript. My favorite part is "...being a Democrat or a Republican is important. But it is not more important than being an American."

I've always liked and respected Lieberman. I still do. I honestly believe he spoke last night because he truly believes John McCain is the best choice for the country. One thing is clear to me. Even if this was a matter of personal integrity for Liebermann, and I believe it was, he's going to pay one hell of a price for standing up for his beliefs. He put his entire political career on the line last night. If McCain wins, he has a few more years in politics. If McCain loses, Liebermann loses as well. Either way, he will be soundly spanked by Democrats for taking a stand outside party lines.

I don't know that Lieberman is right about McCain. However, even if you don't agree with Liebermann, you've got to admire and respect someone that is willing to risk so much personally for principle. It's an event all too rare in politics regardless of party.

What are you smoking? That bridge was burned like a year ago.. there is grass growing where the ashes fell and no one even remembers exactly where it was built.

piratemonkey
09-03-2008, 03:21 PM
I didn't see the speech live. I've only read the transcript. My favorite part is "...being a Democrat or a Republican is important. But it is not more important than being an American."


...and then went on a tirade about how Democrats don't "Put America First."

yeah, really great guy. I like how he's consistent. :rolleyes:

NIOSA
09-03-2008, 03:29 PM
...and then went on a tirade about how Democrats don't "Put America First."

yeah, really great guy. I like how he's consistent. :rolleyes:
Got any proof that Lieberman made that disgusting remark?

Lieberman NEVER said that democrats don't put America first.

Trish
09-03-2008, 03:31 PM
What are you smoking? That bridge was burned like a year ago.. there is grass growing where the ashes fell and no one even remembers exactly where it was built.

Maybe if I knew what you were talking about, I'd be able to answer.

Trish
09-03-2008, 03:37 PM
...and then went on a tirade about how Democrats don't "Put America First."

yeah, really great guy. I like how he's consistent. :rolleyes:

As I said, I didn't see the speech, so I have no idea if his delivery constituted a "tirade." My reaction to the speech is based entirely on reading the transcript. It doesn't read as tirade material, but then again with a speech delivery is everything.

But yeah, I do think that for a politician he's a great guy. I admire and respect his willingness to place his political future on the line for what he believes.

Truth_and_Power
09-03-2008, 03:39 PM
Maybe if I knew what you were talking about, I'd be able to answer.

Leiberman and the democratic party ... the bridge.. between them... burned to the ground a good while ago.. you missed it?

NIOSA
09-03-2008, 03:41 PM
I did watch & listen to the speech by Lieberman. Not once did he say what piratemonkey claims. He implored democrats & independents to vote for McCain.
Can you imagine Joe Lieberman going on a "tirade"? He didn't even do that when the democrats betrayed him for a know nothing candidate that challenged Joe for the senate seat.
Lies & more lies about a man that bucked the status quo.

Shoey
09-03-2008, 03:44 PM
Leiberman and the democratic party ... the bridge.. between them... burned to the ground a good while ago.. you missed it?

I believe you're correct. I was watching the RNC convention last night on Fox News and they had a Democratic special guest and he stated on record the Democratic party "wrote off" Lieberman a long time ago. I'm pretty sure it had something to do with Lieberman's support for the Iraq war but I could be wrong.

Trish
09-03-2008, 03:52 PM
Leiberman and the democratic party ... the bridge.. between them... burned to the ground a good while ago.. you missed it?

Oh. Yeah...he did pretty well blot his copybock with the Democratic Party. Still, they've needed him to vote with the Party in critical votes and have not been overly harsh regarding his "betrayal." After his speech last night, however, I doubt they will be as tolerant, however reluctantly, as they've been the past 2 years.

AlanC
09-03-2008, 04:30 PM
The speech was low key, personal and well delivered. There was no tirade and there was no trashing of the democratic party. It was a speech about working outside of party for the good of the country.

Lieberman has been trashed because of his stance on the war by democrats. But they needed him, so they have kept their criticisms in check. They pray daily that they won't need him anymore so they can exact the revenge that so bitterly want to.

But they are not hypocrites, so say they.

One of the commentators had breakfast with Lieberman that morning and says they brought the consequences of what he was doing. He said, Joe knows what they are. But the truth is that at this point he just doesn't care and he's set on doing what he thinks is right for the country.

That says it all.

Trish
09-03-2008, 04:44 PM
The speech was low key, personal and well delivered. There was no tirade and there was no trashing of the democratic party. It was a speech about working outside of party for the good of the country.

Lieberman has been trashed because of his stance on the war by democrats. But they needed him, so they have kept their criticisms in check. They pray daily that they won't need him anymore so they can exact the revenge that so bitterly want to.

But they are not hypocrites, so say they.

One of the commentators had breakfast with Lieberman that morning and says they brought the consequences of what he was doing. He said, Joe knows what they are. But the truth is that at this point he just doesn't care and he's set on doing what he thinks is right for the country.

That says it all.

I didn't hear the speech so had no idea how it was delivered. What I read didn't seem to lend itself to a tirade, but without hearing the speech I couldn't be sure.

Even when I don't agree with Liebermann, I admire his integrity. Doing what you think is right, no matter the personal cost, is noble and honorable. I admire and respect that in a person. It's a rare trait in people as a whole, and even more rare in politicians.

NIOSA
09-03-2008, 04:54 PM
Maybe you tube has a video of his speech. If so, it will show that "tirade" is a lie.

Stoner
09-03-2008, 10:48 PM
Lieberman was classy and respectful.