God, What A Boring Speech That Was

[ECW]

I almost fell asleep listening to this bozo whip out the same tired BS we've been listening to for the last eight years. I kept wanting to answer him and all of the garbage he was spewing, so I did. I only had to take one drink for the single 9/11 reference. Can't wait for the Rudy speech tomorrow night. I'll be passed out by the end of that one.

Well, for the last time in our lifetimes, George "Chimpster McBoring" Bush graces us with his presence at a GOP convention and here's what he had to say:

Good evening. As you know, my duties have me here in Washington tonight to oversee the Federal government’s efforts to help citizens recover from Hurricane Gustav. We are thankful that the damage in New Orleans and across the Gulf Coast was less than many had feared.

Good thing you had a "practice run" with Katrina, huh? We're thankful that the loss of life was minimal this time but we'd like it even more if you committed the government to rebuilding New Orleans within our lifetime instead of shoveling taxpayers money to your favored private developers.

I commend the Governors of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas for their sure-handed response and seamless coordination with the Federal government. I thank all of the wonderful volunteers who stepped forward to help their brothers and sisters in need.

When you hire a professional to run FEMA instead of a political hack, you can get wonderful results. American volunteers are the greatest and they work best when the guy at the top isn't a complete boob.

We know that there is still risk even after the storm has passed. So I ask citizens across the region to listen closely to local officials and follow their instructions before returning to their homes. All of us are keeping the people of the Gulf Coast in our thoughts and prayers.

Hopefully, there are enough National Guard troops to protect your homes while you are gone. There would be more but they are over in Iraq looking for the guy who bombed the WTC.

As you gather tonight in Saint Paul, I want to share some thoughts about our nominee – a great American, and the next President of the United States, John McCain.

He's a great American but that "next president" stuff ain't happening.

Before I do so, I want to say hello to two people in the hall with you tonight. I could have no finer examples of character, decency, and integrity than my mom and dad.

I wish you would have learned a bit more from your dad. At least he had the sense to fire Karl Rove. You put him in the White House.

I know what it takes to be president. In these past eight years, I’ve sat at the Resolute Desk and reviewed the daily intelligence briefings, the threat assessments, and the reports from our commanders on the front lines. I’ve stood in the ruins of buildings knocked down by killers, and promised the survivors I would never let them down. I know the hard choices that fall solely to a president.

Actually, you have no clue what it takes to be president or your approval ratings would not be in the high 20's. You listened to a briefing on August 5, 2001 about AQ but you ignored it and when they struck, you froze. You then went after Saddam Hussein, who was not responsible for 9/11 and let Osama bin Laden go free in Afghanistan. You still haven't found him.

John McCain’s life has prepared him to make those choices. He is ready to lead this nation. From the day of his commissioning, John McCain was a respected naval officer who made decisions on which the lives of others depended. As an elected public servant, he earned the respect of colleagues in both parties as a man to follow when there is a tough call to make.
John McCain’s life is a story of service above self. Forty years ago in an enemy prison camp, Lieutenant Commander McCain was offered release ahead of others who had been held longer. His wounds were so severe that anyone would have understood if he had accepted. John refused.
For that selfless decision, he suffered nearly five more years of beatings and isolation. When he was finally released, his arms had been broken, but not his honor.

I respect John McCain's service. It does not qualify him to be president.

Fellow citizens: If the Hanoi Hilton could not break John McCain’s resolve to do what is best for his country, you can be sure the angry left never will.

Don't forget, the left is angry because you fucked over the country, governing from the far right, and ignoring the 49% of the country that did not vote for you. McCain is getting the overflow from that policy. Bummer for him.


As the father of seven sons and daughters, John has the heart of a protector. He and his wonderful wife, Cindy, are adoptive parents.

That's a good thing.

John is a leader who knows that human life is fragile, that human life is precious, that human life must be defended.

But he supported a bill that would allow for torturing detainees. I guess the sanctity of human life only goes so far.

We have seen John McCain’s commitment to principle in our Nation’s capital. John is a steadfast opponent of wasteful spending. As president, he will stand up to the high-tax crowd in Congress and make the tax relief permanent. He will invest in the energy technologies of tomorrow and lift the ban on drilling for America’s offshore oil today.

Too bad once he became a candidate that principle went out the window. He was against the tax cuts before he was for them. He was for a balanced budget before the Supreme Court selected you president and then he voted for every bloated out-of-whack budget you proposed. He was for alternative energy before he slipped into Neocon mode and voted against it numerous times just to please you. no he's a Big Oil guy thru and thru. He was against offshore drilling before he was for it.

John is an independent man who thinks for himself. He’s not afraid to tell you when he disagrees. No matter what the issue, this man is honest and speaks straight from the heart.

He may be an independent man but his lobbyist advisors tell him what to think. Sometimes he cannot even speak for his own campaign, he goes so far off his previously stated stand. Trouble is, when John disagrees with you, very often he is disagreeable. His temper is legendary. Not a good quality for a guy who may have his finger on the button one day and who's favorite song is, "Bomb Iran."

Last year, John McCain’s independence and character helped change history. The Democrats had taken control of Congress and were threatening to cut off funds for our troops. In the face of calls for retreat, I ordered a surge of forces into Iraq. Many in Congress said it had no chance of working.
Yet one senator above all had faith in our troops and the importance of their mission, and that was John McCain.

If the mission was really accomplished, why were we still in Iraq? Why did it takes so long for the Iraqis to stand up so we could stand down? Were they waiting for the UN permission to run out before they got their house together? And what about the Sunni Awakening? Why does McCain want our troops there for the next 100 years? What makes both of you so out of touch with the American people?

Some told him that his early and consistent call for more troops would put his presidential campaign at risk. He told them he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war. That is the kind of courage and vision we need in our next commander-in-chief.

He hired all of Karl Rove's cronies to make sure he didn't lose this election. The smears and dirty politics are just starting from this bunch and John is right in there with that rat squad. His Iraq war stand will cost him this election. Even the Iraqis have taken the Obama position in opposition to the Bush-McCain 100 Year Plan. Only Barack Obama has the vision and courage it takes to put this country right after a failed presidency like yours.

[ECW]

My fellow citizens, we live in a dangerous world. And we need a president who understands the lessons of September 11, 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offense, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again. The man we need is John McCain.

You still don't get the lessons of 9/11. Don't spy on Americans in the name of security. Don't torture people in our custody. Don't send them off to other countries to be tortured for inaccurate information. Don't violate the Constitution in the name of our own security. Don't conduct wiretaps without a court's permission. Get our troops out of Iraq so we can defend ourselves here at home. These are Barack Obama's positions, not yours and not John McCain's.


When he takes office next January, John will have an outstanding leader at his side. America will have a strong and principled vice president in the governor of the great state of Alaska, Sarah Palin.

The only office John will be taking next January will be that of Senator and if Sarah Palin is by his side, we'll have another beauty queen news story to add to the ones we already know about.

In the time the Oval Office has been in my trust, I have kept near my desk reminders of America’s character – including a painting of a West Texas mountain lit by the morning sun. It reminds me that Americans have always lived on the sunrise side of the mountain.

It should remind you that the sun is setting on a disasterous presidency and you are irrelevant.

We are a nation that looks to the new day with confidence and optimism. I am optimistic about our future, because I believe in the goodness and wisdom of the American people. I am optimistic because I have faith in freedom’s power to lift up all of God’s children and lead this world to a future of peace.

With President Obama that's exactly where we'll be heading.

And I am optimistic about something else: When the debates have ended, and all the ads have run, and it is time to vote, Americans will look closely at the judgment, the experience, and the policies of the candidates, and they will cast their ballots for the McCain-Palin ticket.

...and watch as that ticket loses to Obama-Biden because people are tired of the same old stuff and no plans for getting us out of the mess you created.

While I am not with you in the Twin Cities on this wonderful night for our party, with Laura Bush speaking, you have clearly traded up.

To what? To someone that can speak in complete sentences without a script?

I am so proud the American people have come to know her gracious presence, her determined spirit, and her loving heart. Laura has been a fantastic first lady. Thank you, Laura, and thanks to all of you in the hall tonight.
God bless you, and God bless America.


Man. Thank God this is almost over.

[Leslie]

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Now there's a damn good rousin' speech, thank you, ECW!!

[aaronssongs]

I almost fell asleep listening to this bozo whip out the same tired BS we've been listening to for the last eight years. I kept wanting to answer him and all of the garbage he was spewing, so I did. I only had to take one drink for the single 9/11 reference. Can't wait for the Rudy speech tomorrow night. I'll be passed out by the end of that one.

Well, for the last time in our lifetimes, George "Chimpster McBoring" Bush graces us with his presence at a GOP convention and here's what he had to say:



Good thing you had a "practice run" with Katrina, huh? We're thankful that the loss of life was minimal this time but we'd like it even more if you committed the government to rebuilding New Orleans within our lifetime instead of shoveling taxpayers money to your favored private developers.



When you hire a professional to run FEMA instead of a political hack, you can get wonderful results. American volunteers are the greatest and they work best when the guy at the top isn't a complete boob.



Hopefully, there are enough National Guard troops to protect your homes while you are gone. There would be more but they are over in Iraq looking for the guy who bombed the WTC.



He's a great American but that "next president" stuff ain't happening.

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I wish you would have learned a bit more from your dad. At least he had the sense to fire Karl Rove. You put him in the White House.



Actually, you have no clue what it takes to be president or your approval ratings would not be in the high 20's. You listened to a briefing on August 5, 2001 about AQ but you ignored it and when they struck, you froze. You then went after Saddam Hussein, who was not responsible for 9/11 and let Osama bin Laden go free in Afghanistan. You still haven't found him.



I respect John McCain's service. It does not qualify him to be president.



Don't forget, the left is angry because you fucked over the country, governing from the far right, and ignoring the 49% of the country that did not vote for you. McCain is getting the overflow from that policy. Bummer for him.




That's a good thing.



But he supported a bill that would allow for torturing detainees. I guess the sanctity of human life only goes so far.



Too bad once he became a candidate that principle went out the window. He was against the tax cuts before he was for them. He was for a balanced budget before the Supreme Court selected you president and then he voted for every bloated out-of-whack budget you proposed. He was for alternative energy before he slipped into Neocon mode and voted against it numerous times just to please you. no he's a Big Oil guy thru and thru. He was against offshore drilling before he was for it.



He may be an independent man but his lobbyist advisors tell him what to think. Sometimes he cannot even speak for his own campaign, he goes so far off his previously stated stand. Trouble is, when John disagrees with you, very often he is disagreeable. His temper is legendary. Not a good quality for a guy who may have his finger on the button one day and who's favorite song is, "Bomb Iran."



If the mission was really accomplished, why were we still in Iraq? Why did it takes so long for the Iraqis to stand up so we could stand down? Were they waiting for the UN permission to run out before they got their house together? And what about the Sunni Awakening? Why does McCain want our troops there for the next 100 years? What makes both of you so out of touch with the American people?



He hired all of Karl Rove's cronies to make sure he didn't lose this election. The smears and dirty politics are just starting from this bunch and John is right in there with that rat squad. His Iraq war stand will cost him this election. Even the Iraqis have taken the Obama position in opposition to the Bush-McCain 100 Year Plan. Only Barack Obama has the vision and courage it takes to put this country right after a failed presidency like yours.

Brilliant. Well-put.

[nevadamedic]

Typical close minded Liberal response. President Bush's speech was beautiful and brought tears to my eyes and reminds me why he is the greatest President to ever serve in the White House.

[xLIBREx]

Must not have had enough flashing lights and meaningless anecdotal appeals to emotion to hold onto the short uber-lefty attention span.

[nevadamedic]

Must not have had enough flashing lights and meaningless anecdotal appeals to emotion to hold onto the short uber-lefty attention span.

It also wasn't negative and slanderous and it was to truthful for them to like to as well.

[Stoner]

Must not have had enough flashing lights and meaningless anecdotal appeals to emotion to hold onto the short uber-lefty attention span.

ECW is upset Bush didn't have the Greek temple behind him. Libbies are easily distracted. They need the "ooohhhhh, awwwwww" factor.

Like moths to a light.

[xLIBREx]

ECW is upset Bush didn't have the Greek temple behind him. Libbies are easily distracted. They need the "ooohhhhh, awwwwww" factor.

Like moths to a light.
Did anyone see the adults carrying on like 12 year old girls at a Jonas Brothers concert during Obama's speech? Was that a potential POTUS speech or the Teen Choice Awards?

[ECW]

Typical close minded Liberal response. President Bush's speech was beautiful and brought tears to my eyes and reminds me why he is the greatest President to ever serve in the White House.

My God, you are so easy to fool.

[ECW]

ECW is upset Bush didn't have the Greek temple behind him. Libbies are easily distracted. They need the "ooohhhhh, awwwwww" factor.

Like moths to a light.

Nah. I was upset that the dumbass lied to us again. That's OK. He's gone in a few months and we'll have four years of a President Obama (maybe eight) to fix that ignorant carpetbagger did to America.

Obviously, you agreed with everything Bush said or you would have commented on the issue and not me. I guess it's tough defending Bush on the issues anymore. I understand.

[bishop]

so one week we have the democrats' circle jerk and the republicans are there to provide the flame. the following week the republicans have their circle jerk and democrats respond in kind. what a bunch of predictable sheep..

[Shoey]

ECW is upset Bush didn't have the Greek temple behind him. Libbies are easily distracted. They need the "ooohhhhh, awwwwww" factor.

Like moths to a light.

I never even bothered to watch the DNC , I already knew it be "snooze fest" before the convention even started.

[Stoner]

I never even bothered to watch the DNC , I already knew it be "snooze fest" before the convention even started.

It was. Comrade Obama smiled when his eyes weren't glued to the teleprompter.

Besides that there wasn't much substance. Just a glitzy, Greek temple.

[bishop]

was there much substance to the republicans' speeches thus far? sounds as if they did little more than attempt to deepen the "left vs. right" rift in the nation, in addition to attempting to portray themselves as the defenders of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness..

how many times was st. reagan's name mentioned?

[NIOSA]

Who is "bozo"?
Anyway, I do miss the Greek colums behind the speakers at the RNC convention. Gosh, if they would only put themselves above the rest of us, as did the DNC speakers, think how impressive that would be.

[bishop]

at least the corporate lobbyists who support both corrupt parties was consistent. there was just as many corporate parties last week as there are this week. best politicians money can buy, not that most realize this to be true.

[Shoey]

Who is "bozo"?

"Bozo" is Obama disguised as "Homey D. Clown" (just kiddin' Liberals) :love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVcUuTg5oSc&feature=related

[nevadamedic]

My God, you are so easy to fool.

Nope, im not the one voting for Barack Hussein Obama.

[nevadamedic]

Nah. I was upset that the dumbass lied to us again. That's OK. He's gone in a few months and we'll have four years of a President Obama (maybe eight) to fix that ignorant carpetbagger did to America.

Obviously, you agreed with everything Bush said or you would have commented on the issue and not me. I guess it's tough defending Bush on the issues anymore. I understand.

Carpetbagger? The Dark Side is starting to get desperate when they use that term. I think they realize that Barack Hussein Obama is going to be publically humiliated in November, so much so that he loses his Senate seat in the election following that. :)

[ECW]

Barack will lose his Senate seat only because he cannot be a Senator and President at the same time.

Carpetbagger: a northerner who comes down south to make his fame and fortune at the expense of those same southerners. Fits the Bush family perfectly.

[ECW]

double post (again)

[DamnYankee]

The angry bitter left foaming at the mouth again.

[ECW]

The angry bitter left foaming at the mouth again.

That's what you thought of the Bush speech?

Interesting! :dizzy:

[Leslie]

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I'm watchin' Giuliani.

Palin has got to be better than this.

[Leslie]

Giuliani sez Palin had more experience on her first day as Mayor than Obama and Biden combined. 350

Geeez, ya gotta be a fuckin' idiot to believe that statement. :dizzy:

[DamnYankee]

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I'm watchin' Giuliani.

Palin has got to be better than this.

She was even better than Comrade Obama!

[lily]

Who is "bozo"?
Anyway, I do miss the Greek colums behind the speakers at the RNC convention. Gosh, if they would only put themselves above the rest of us, as did the DNC speakers, think how impressive that would be.

NIOSA.......that is for the nominated president......McCain will have something tomorrow.....don't let it bother you......I'm sure it'll be just as nice as Obama's. You only have to wait one more day!

[Leslie]

NIOSA.......that is for the nominated president......McCain will have something tomorrow.....don't let it bother you......I'm sure it'll be just as nice as Obama's. You only have to wait one more day!


Yeah, he might even have a backdrop of the Hanoi Hilton. 353

[xLIBREx]

Geeez, ya gotta be a fuckin' idiot to believe that statement. :dizzy:

Based on what? Obama had a whopping 167 days of active Senate experience when he secured the nomination. So by what quantifiable criteria do you make that statement?

I won't hold my breath for your answer.

(I love watching liberals try to weasel out of actually backing up all the things they know which are in fact wrong.)

[Stoner]

(I love watching liberals try to weasel out of actually backing up all the things they know which are in fact wrong.)

It is tons of fun. What's even better is watching them make up bullshit when they feel threatened.

[apdst]

Good thing you had a "practice run" with Katrina, huh?

Of course Katrina was a practice run. You can't be prepared for something that's never happened before. Prior to Katrina, the Federal government wasn't a part of the prepatory stages of a hurricane. That was the sole responsibility of the state and local government--who fucked the dog before, during and after Katrina. The way the protocols were set up, the fed wasn't supposed to jump in until the state requested federal assistance. When Katrina--a one in a million storm--made landfall, we found out that the old system wasn't going to work anymore.

We're thankful that the loss of life was minimal this time

Enjoy it, because it won't last long. What with New Orleans recieving minimal damage during Gustav, good luck getting anyone to evac again. The whole, "we rode out the last one ok", mentality is what led us up to what happened after Katrina. BTW, you DO know that there were places that suffered far more damage than New Orleans during Katrina and Rita? Right? Don't hear no one cry-assin' about rebuilding Lake Charles, or Cameron, or Venice, or Empire.

instead of shoveling taxpayers money to your favored private developers.

Who do you think is going to rebuild New Orleans?? How many millions has the Shaw Group made off of reparing Katrina damage?

When you hire a professional to run FEMA instead of a political hack

Brownie worked 161 storms. 160 of them were successes. Katrina would have been the goat fuck that it was, regardless of who was running the show. Lest we not forget, that Blanco's and Nagin's fuck ups were cast into Brownie's lap, and he was told to deal with it.

Hopefully, there are enough National Guard troops to protect your homes while you are gone. There would be more but they are over in Iraq looking for the guy who bombed the WTC.

There are enough. Don't worry. If you're still worried, perhaps you should visit your local NG recruiter and join the ranks.

[ECW]

Based on what? Obama had a whopping 167 days of active Senate experience when he secured the nomination. So by what quantifiable criteria do you make that statement?

I won't hold my breath for your answer.

(I love watching liberals try to weasel out of actually backing up all the things they know which are in fact wrong.)

You must not be holding your breath if you can smell Obama's farts and think they smell great.

WMHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[xLIBREx]

You must not be holding your breath if you can smell Obama's farts and think they smell great.

WMHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sir, please step away from the bong.

(I have no problem with weed, but some people just shouldn't smoke it.)

[ECW]

Of course Katrina was a practice run. You can't be prepared for something that's never happened before. Prior to Katrina, the Federal government wasn't a part of the prepatory stages of a hurricane. That was the sole responsibility of the state and local government--who fucked the dog before, during and after Katrina. The way the protocols were set up, the fed wasn't supposed to jump in until the state requested federal assistance. When Katrina--a one in a million storm--made landfall, we found out that the old system wasn't going to work anymore.

Enjoy it, because it won't last long. What with New Orleans recieving minimal damage during Gustav, good luck getting anyone to evac again. The whole, "we rode out the last one ok", mentality is what led us up to what happened after Katrina. BTW, you DO know that there were places that suffered far more damage than New Orleans during Katrina and Rita? Right? Don't hear no one cry-assin' about rebuilding Lake Charles, or Cameron, or Venice, or Empire.

Who do you think is going to rebuild New Orleans?? How many millions has the Shaw Group made off of reparing Katrina damage?

Brownie worked 161 storms. 160 of them were successes. Katrina would have been the goat fuck that it was, regardless of who was running the show. Lest we not forget, that Blanco's and Nagin's fuck ups were cast into Brownie's lap, and he was told to deal with it.

There are enough. Don't worry. If you're still worried, perhaps you should visit your local NG recruiter and join the ranks.

HOLY SHIT! A Brownie apologist? You are certainly hardcore to come to the defense of the worst FEMA administrator of all times. The proof is in the pudding however and the job he did demonstrated, even to a total dumbfuck like George "Clueless" Bush, that he was overmatched and not qualified to hold the post. Bush shit canning Brownie was one of the few bright spots to the whole tragedy.

And the Bush speech still sucked ass.

[ECW]

Sir, please step away from the bong.

(I have no problem with weed, but some people just shouldn't smoke it.)

Sorry, Sparky. You got me confused with the local DF dopehead. I just take your signature for the stupidity that it is. :nana:

[xLIBREx]

Enjoy it, because it won't last long. What with New Orleans recieving minimal damage during Gustav, good luck getting anyone to evac again. The whole, "we rode out the last one ok", mentality is what led us up to what happened after Katrina. BTW, you DO know that there were places that suffered far more damage than New Orleans during Katrina and Rita? Right? Don't hear no one cry-assin' about rebuilding Lake Charles, or Cameron, or Venice, or Empire.


I was in NOLA for Ivan and while my wife and I stocked up our hotel room, the locals treated it like a joke. A year later it bit them in the ass.

Gustav had only a 13ft surge and it was coming over the levies. Katrina was 28 ft! So, the apathy will set back in and the cycle will repeat as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

[I Like Beer]

I won't hold my breath for your answer.

(I love watching liberals try to weasel out of actually backing up all the things they know which are in fact wrong.)

It's interesting you should bring up 'weaseling out of things they know which are in fact wrong'.

I left you a nice post #52 here (http://democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=16625&page=6)

After I asked you to back up some things you said, you fled the thread. How come?

I mean, I'm sure conservatives don't weasel out, right? So, have a look and respond.

Oh and in case you're wondering - PMP and Stoner never backed you up.

Cheers!

[apdst]

A Brownie apologist?

Not apologizing, just stating a fact. 160 and 1 is a helluva record, no matter what the Liberals think. The question I have, is when we here you say, "Brownie", why do we NEVER hear you say, "Blanco", or, "Nagin"?

It's easy to find fault, somwhere, in ANY government run operation. It's even easier to call it a failure when the faults are all you look at.

Gustav had only a 13ft surge and it was coming over the levies. Katrina was 28 ft! So, the apathy will set back in and the cycle will repeat as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

Actually the storm surge during Katrina was only 20ft., and the storm surge in the lake is what did the levees in, but your point is correct.

[ECW]

When that one is Katrina, you lose. He was an incompetent pick by an incompetent president. You know it but are ashamed to admit it.

Apologize away.

[apdst]

When that one is Katrina, you lose.

What about Blanco and Nagin? Should there have been immediate recall elections?

He was an incompetent pick by an incompetent president.

Brown ramrod'ed 161 hurricane relief efforts. Name one person the country, at that governmental level with that much experience under his/her belt. I'll be waiting.

EVERYbody screwed the pooch before, during and after Katrina. Reason being, it'd never happened. EVERYbody was caught off gaurd. To pin sole blame on Bush and/or Brown is a display of ignorance.

Anyone with a brain bigger than an earth worm knows that the blame goes all the way from the top, to the bottom. The first place to start attaching blame is at the personal level, with the folks that chose not to evacuate, until it was too late.

[ECW]

Bush did not mention either one of those folks. He talked about how he was doing his damndest to do the right thing this time around for Gustav. Shame he did not have the seriousness of purpose for Katrina. But this is the Bush style. Bullshit around until he fucks something up and then tries to not fuck it up the next time while patching up the first fuck up, not fixing it. Anyone with a brain bigger than a pea knows the blame goes to the guy who put a hack in charge of a crisis intervention agency, especially one with no experience.

[xLIBREx]

It's interesting you should bring up 'weaseling out of things they know which are in fact wrong'.

I left you a nice post #52 here (http://democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=16625&page=6)

After I asked you to back up some things you said, you fled the thread. How come?

I mean, I'm sure conservatives don't weasel out, right? So, have a look and respond.

Oh and in case you're wondering - PMP and Stoner never backed you up.

Cheers!

Feel free to try and actually refute anything I wrote. You know, do some work on your own instead of having the other guy doing all the work so you can ignore it ad nauseum.

Cheers eh!

[apdst]

Bush did not mention either one of those folks. He talked about how he was doing his damndest to do the right thing this time around for Gustav. Shame he did not have the seriousness of purpose for Katrina. But this is the Bush style. Bullshit around until he fucks something up and then tries to not fuck it up the next time while patching up the first fuck up, not fixing it. Anyone with a brain bigger than a pea knows the blame goes to the guy who put a hack in charge of a crisis intervention agency, especially one with no experience.

Your perception of reality is astonishing.

[theAdviserMe]

You are right. All of them are just glorifying all the mistakes made by this current administration. All are just spewing thrash and nothing more.

[I Like Beer]

Feel free to try and actually refute anything I wrote. You know, do some work on your own instead of having the other guy doing all the work so you can ignore it ad nauseum.

Cheers eh!

I did, but you ran away without commenting.

Here is one example...

You wrote in that thread What you never see is someone going the opposite direction. People don't become educated and gain life experience and then choose to be liberals.

A statement you made with absolutely NO evidence to back it up. Something you seem to accuse liberals of doing, so I'm sure you hate it when that happens.

I responded with this (you'll notice the actual evidence I put to back it up, but I'm a liberal, so I don't know how that squares with the blanket statements you like to throw around).


Now, since you said you 'never see an educated conservative become liberal' I dug up this
poll. (http://www.gallup.com/poll/106381/Obama-Education-Gap-Extends-General-Election.aspx)

I quote from it.

If you look closely, you'll see Obama has the support of 40% of those with no high school, but 52% of those who are post-graduates. Now, how does that square with your blanket statement that "you never seen anyone get more education and turn from conservative to liberal'? I'm sure you can explain it with evidence to back you up.

As for the health care discussion - just ask and I'll provide. However, let's put our money where our mouths are. If you can show that private health care does it better, cheaper, and covers more people, I'll put 'I fully support private health care' in my signature for two weeks. When I prove the opposite to be true, would you put 'I support public health care' in your signature?

[Shoey]

*Warning , this is a thread spoiler alert* :love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgDApGPzCtA&feature=related

^ Part One of Sarah Palin's "I'm gonna knock you out" Obama/Biden speech at the RNC convention. After Palin's magnifcant speech, Obama and McCain are tied in the CBS poll and Obama fell -2.0+ points in the RCP poll. \ "Slip sliddin' away" Obama :nana:

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Bush was mentioned one time in the rest of the convention. That should tell you how important he is to the party that supported a failed presidency.