BREAKING: Democrats Release Sarah Palin's Social Security Number

[BoogyMan]

I thought they couldn't get much lower, I was wrong.


Source: Link (http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/02/breaking-democrats-release-sarah-palins-soc/)

The Politico has received an opposition research file from the Alaska Democrats.

In the file, the Democrats have released Sarah Palin's social security number minus the last four digits. Also tied to the information are her various home addresses.

Back in 2005, Democrats used Michael Steele's social security number to get his credit record.

It is atrocious that the Democrats would not only seek out Sarah Palin's social security number, but release it in opposition research to the press.

We need to know who did this. We also need to know what happened. We also need to know if it was used to bolster the Democrats' opposition research.

When it happened to Michael Steele, it turns out the Democrats knew about it and did nothing.

They cannot not take action now.

Politico posted the information and has now apparently removed it from their site.

Egads....

[xLIBREx]

The lefty desperation continues to mount.

[ScareCrow]

That is really low. I would think someone could face jail time for something like that.

[slappy]

Perhaps I'm missing something, Boogy. Isn't releasing someone's social security number "minus the last four digits" sort of like asking people to take a wild guess at her 4-digit ATM code?

[lily]

Perhaps I'm missing something, Boogy. Isn't releasing someone's social security number "minus the last four digits" sort of like asking people to take a wild guess at her 4-digit ATM code?

You beat me to it slappy......also the fact that something called redstate.com is the one reporting this and Poltico has no article.

[BoogyMan]

The document was at politico and was removed. Most likely because they are probably facing a large number of lawyers who rightly refuse to accept the fact that you just don't publish ANY of someone's SSN information.

This is irresponsibility in the grandest of terms. The story is slowly showing up in other places this evening as well. I just noticed it on Matt Drudge's page and am sure we will see it elsewhere.

[Leslie]

The document was at politico and was removed. Most likely because they are probably facing a large number of lawyers who rightly refuse to accept the fact that you just don't publish ANY of someone's SSN information.

This is irresponsibility in the grandest of terms. The story is slowly showing up in other places this evening as well. I just noticed it on Matt Drudge's page and am sure we will see it elsewhere.

Well, get back to us on that. :peace:

[BoogyMan]

Well, get back to us on that. :peace:

I will, I figured RedState wouldn't sit well, but news is news.

[lily]

Also let me know when a mathematician figures out what the last 4 numbers are. This isn't as big of a deal as you want it to be, boogy. When I was working everyone's password was their last 5 numbers of their SS.

[BoogyMan]

Lily, whomever you were working for certainly was not aware of modern practice with regard to SSN exposure.

This was a SERIOUS nono.

[AnnEsthesia]

Funny, places like FreeRepublic have pulled threads related to this. Could it be because it is not true? lol

[BoogyMan]

I wouldn't bank on that AnnE.

[Leslie]

I wouldn't bank on that AnnE.

Have you checked National Enquirer?

[AnnEsthesia]

Some of us will just wait until it comes out in the MSM rather than lathering up like a horse that has been ridden too hard... but whatever gets your engine revving.

[NIOSA]

This doesn't surprise me at all, not after some of the low down disgusting things they've done lately, actually, for a long time.

[AnnEsthesia]

Have you checked National Enquirer?

I did. It isn't there.. so it cannot be true.

[BoogyMan]

Have you checked National Enquirer?

Nah, I only read the cartoons there.

[xLIBREx]

The apologistas are out in force it would seem.

Hey, for all you guys saying it's no big deal; go take a pic of your SS card, blank out the last 4 and post it up for all to see. Otherwise, STFU because you are full of shit.

(I won't hold my breath.)

[Alonzo]

They said they don't know who did it, yet you try to lay it on "Democrats" as a whole. Seems unfair.

[BoogyMan]

It was an opposition research paper created by the democratic party of Alaska, Zo, and it is being sloughed off as no big deal by many of the democrats that have posted in the thread.

Intentional public exposure of SSN information in any form is a real nono.

[PostmodernProphet]

They said they don't know who did it, yet you try to lay it on "Democrats" as a whole. Seems unfair.

/boggle.....yeah you might be right....it was the Libertarians.....

[lily]

Funny, places like FreeRepublic have pulled threads related to this. Could it be because it is not true? lol

Oh hell.......we've reached a new high........we're posting articles that even the freepers have pulled. :lmao:

[xLIBREx]

Oh hell.......we've reached a new high........we're posting articles that even the freepers have pulled. :lmao:


Hmm, where's that pic of your SS card with the last 4 blacked out?

[Milton Bradley]

Also let me know when a mathematician figures out what the last 4 numbers are. This isn't as big of a deal as you want it to be, boogy. When I was working everyone's password was their last 5 numbers of their SS.


Well, you know those little updates you get in the mail from Social Security each year, those contain the last four digits ( minus all the rest ) of your SS number, so it could be compromised in that manor accidentally, or intentionally.

[xLIBREx]

TIC TOC TIC TOC

I'm turning blue!

[Truth_and_Power]

The last 4 digits are routinely given out, for what it's worth. I got 3 people's last 4 digits earlier today, coincidentally enough, and none of them objected. I'm not saying this is an OK move, frankly I think it's not smart and I don't see what was to be gained by it. Hopefully we will get evidence to verify this "crime" (is it illegal?) faster than we've gotten evidence to verify the great crimes of the georgian army against the ossetians.

[BoogyMan]

The last 4 digits are routinely given out, for what it's worth. I got 3 people's last 4 digits earlier today, coincidentally enough, and none of them objected. I'm not saying this is an OK move, frankly I think it's not smart and I don't see what was to be gained by it. Hopefully we will get evidence to verify this "crime" (is it illegal?) faster than we've gotten evidence to verify the great crimes of the georgian army against the ossetians.

It isn't illegal T&P, it is stupid and irresponsible to post enough of that number to give someone a roughly 1 in 10,000 shot at getting the rest. With modern computing technology and access to the Internet being ubiquitous, identity theft is common. That is why nearly every university in the country is spending big money converting from using SSN information to a privately hashed number.

[Stoner]

TIC TOC TIC TOC

I'm turning blue!

I love you bro but stop asking for her name and parts of her social. It's dangerous. You'd be surprised what people can do with very little information. Trust me.

[xLIBREx]

It isn't illegal T&P, it is stupid and irresponsible to post enough of that number to give someone a roughly 1 in 10,000 shot at getting the rest. With modern computing technology and access to the Internet being ubiquitous, identity theft is common. That is why nearly every university in the country is spending big money converting from using SSN information to a privately hashed number.

The real issue is why do we even have a gov assigned number, making our identities so easy to steal, in the first place? But that's a libertarian argument for another thread.

[Invayne]

I thought they couldn't get much lower, I was wrong.



Politico posted the information and has now apparently removed it from their site.

Egads....

Um, no. It's still there. Unless I was looking at the wrong site...:embarrased:

[Invayne]

Nope, sorry. The pdf is gone. Fucking snakes. Sorry. Insult to snakes. Scumbuckets.:fight:

[BoogyMan]

Um, no. It's still there. Unless I was looking at the wrong site...:embarrased:

Nah, the link on redstate.com to Politico doesn't work anymore. Thank goodness somebody there had some common sense and took it down.

[Invayne]

Nah, I only read the cartoons there.

I used to love the cartoons in Hustler....

[BoogyMan]

The real issue is why do we even have a gov assigned number, making our identities so easy to steal, in the first place? But that's a libertarian argument for another thread.

You should start that discussion thread xLIBREx, it sounds like a good one.

[Invayne]

The real issue is why do we even have a gov assigned number, making our identities so easy to steal, in the first place? But that's a libertarian argument for another thread.

The social security number will never be used as a number for identification. The government said so and I believe them.






http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/laidbacknluvinit/stupid_photo1.jpg

[Drocket]

I discovered a while back that my social security number is rather readily available through Google. I think its time to give up on the idea of a social security number being "secret" - if you know what you're doing, you can rather easily get anyone's number. Its as absurd of a security device as asking for your mother's maiden name (yes, using ancestry.com to find out that information is SOOOO difficult...)

[Stoner]

if you know what you're doing, you can rather easily get anyone's number.

You've got that right.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Whomever did this, its unconscionable. There should be charges pressed here.

[Invayne]

I discovered a while back that my social security number is rather readily available through Google. I think its time to give up on the idea of a social security number being "secret" - if you know what you're doing, you can rather easily get anyone's number. Its as absurd of a security device as asking for your mother's maiden name (yes, using ancestry.com to find out that information is SOOOO difficult...)

Ancestry.com...you can get ss#'s of dead people.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

..

Mispost.

[Invayne]

How about a li'l chuckle while y'all wait for this breakin' story about Palin's SSN?



More Info 'n Video (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_manager_this_election_i.html)

Interesting. And this has to do with giving out a SS#....how?

[xLIBREx]

..

Mispost.

Must have posted up that SS card pic and then thought better of doing so!

:lmao:

[Leslie]

Interesting. And this has to do with giving out a SS#....how?

It's fluff til the big SSN story breaks.:D

[Invayne]

It's fluff til the big SSN story breaks.:D

OK, I loves me some fluff before the big one!:dork:

[Stoner]

OK, I loves me some fluff before the big one!:dork:

Must...not...respond...

[Invayne]

Must...not...respond...

Save it for FP, baby!:ecstatic:

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

BREAKING: Republicans lie about Democrats!

[Stoner]

BREAKING: Republicans lie about Democrats!

I see close to 70 threads about Palin that says otherwise.

[Invayne]

BREAKING: Republicans lie about Democrats!

BREAKING: Mouth Full of Teeth

Nothing more.:madlaugh:

[mj278]

Funny, places like FreeRepublic have pulled threads related to this. Could it be because it is not true? lol

Ben Smith's blog has a response to the Red State article here (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Breaking_Phone_book_reveals_Palin_phone_number.htm l#comments).

So yes, the story is true.

[lily]

A second blogger confirming it...........I'm sold!

[Invayne]

Wouldn't this be considered identity theft in some way? I mean, imagine having your ss # printed all over the place for anyone to use. There's got to be SOME kind of charge that can brought upon this person.

[mj278]

A second blogger confirming it...........I'm sold!

Well, it was from a politico blog. And Ben Smith, the writer of the blog, also wrote this story (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13084.html), which was the story that redstate was writing the response to. If you actually read the blog, you would have known that. Also, if you click on the research document (http://www.politico.com/static/PPM106_palin_doc.html), you will see that they went back and blackened out the entire social security number.

[xLIBREx]

A second blogger confirming it...........I'm sold!

TIC TOC Still waiting for that pic, or should we just say I was right and move on?

I thought you might like to know, but your partisanship is showing.

(I think that's enough and denial won't change the fact my point was confirmed.)

[xLIBREx]

Wouldn't this be considered identity theft in some way? I mean, imagine having your ss # printed all over the place for anyone to use. There's got to be SOME kind of charge that can brought upon this person.

It's no different than posting someone's address. There is nothing illegal about it.

[Invayne]

It's no different than posting someone's address. There is nothing illegal about it.

You can't steal someone's identity just by knowing their address.

[brien]

Perhaps I'm missing something, Boogy. Isn't releasing someone's social security number "minus the last four digits" sort of like asking people to take a wild guess at her 4-digit ATM code?

So, what's your SS # minus the four digits? You wouldn't dare release the real one now would you?

So why don't all the Democrats, and others who would approve of this and play it down, all release all of their own SS numbers...minus the last 4 digits of course. It doesn't matter one bit whether the story is true, it matters that some here defend the practice and play it down as no big deal.

Well, if it's no big deal, post your SS # minus the last four digits. Let's see who has the bullocks to do it here. I haven't seen anyone do it yet, though many have asked and those who approve of the practice and then play it down, say it is no big deal. The proof is in the proverbial pudding and there ain't no pudding yet, except in some of the heads around here.

[apdst]

This has been a baaaaaaad two weeks for the Leftists.

[apdst]

Indeed, poor Buck took his cowboy hat, and went home.

I'm serious, first there's Michael Moore and his blow hole, then Fowler acting like there's something funny about the storm, then the Libs go after Palin's kid, and now this.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

What? Still no proof?

[BoogyMan]

What? Still no proof?

Sounds like someone STILL isn't reading the thread MOT.

[BoogyMan]

A second blogger confirming it...........I'm sold!

Lily, Ben Smith of Politico was the one who posted the material. LOL

[xLIBREx]

What? Still no proof?

http://www.dynart.com/jorge/imagens/iraqi_information_minister.jpg

"There is no proof."

[Invayne]

I'm serious, first there's Michael Moore and his blow hole, then Fowler acting like there's something funny about the storm, then the Libs go after Palin's kid, and now this.

They're desperate. I love it!

[Invayne]

http://www.dynart.com/jorge/imagens/iraqi_information_minister.jpg

"There is no proof."

:madlaugh:

[AnnEsthesia]

The same way ya'll were so desperate and had a billion obama threads? Oh right... that was /different/.

[xLIBREx]

The same way ya'll were so desperate and had a billion obama threads? Oh right... that was /different/.

NEWSFLASH: Obama's the one actually running for POTUS. I guess you missed Obama's text message on that one?

[apdst]

The same way ya'll were so desperate and had a billion obama threads? Oh right... that was /different/.

Very different...we weren't laughing about a major hurricane that uprooted 2 million people's lives, we weren't attacking Obama's kids and we weren't violating the privacy act of 1964.

Remember all the hoop-la when someone merely looked at Obama's passport?

[AnnEsthesia]

NEWSFLASH: Obama's the one actually running for POTUS. I guess you missed Obama's text message on that one?

And Palin is running for VP and will be pres if McCain dies. Your point?

[AnnEsthesia]

Very different...we weren't laughing about a major hurricane that uprooted 2 million people's lives, we weren't attacking Obama's kids and we weren't violating the privacy act of 1964.

Remember all the hoop-la when someone merely looked at Obama's passport?

Where have most of us done any of those? And no, instead you were making muslim comments, making racist comments, demeaning his wife for not being hawt enough, making nasty remarks about his 'fame', etc etc. Yea, you are soooo different. Now tell us again how hawt your VP candidate is and how you would like to fuck her. That is just right up there.

[mj278]

And Palin is running for VP and will be pres if McCain dies. Your point?

And Biden might be president if Obama were to be assassinated. I do not wish this on him, but in reality, there is some concerns over this. I have not seen anywhere near as many threads on him.

[AnnEsthesia]

That is because Biden is not an unknown.

[xLIBREx]

That is because Biden is not an unknown.

He's the Democratic McCain. Pretty ironic.

[mj278]

That is because Biden is not an unknown.

Maybe not to those who closely follow politics, like those on these types of boards, but this isn't exactly true. I have encountered quite a number of people who did not know who he was.

[xLIBREx]

Maybe not to those who closely follow politics, like those on these types of boards, but this isn't exactly true. I have encountered quite a number of people who did not know who he was.

A lot of people have no clue who the guy is despite 2 losing Presidential bids! He's truly Mr. Forgettable. But for those of us who follow these things, who can forget wonderful moments like these from good ol' "Foot In Mouth" Joe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIT3jUrNTX0

[Invayne]

A lot of people have no clue who the guy is despite 2 losing Presidential bids! He's truly Mr. Forgettable. But for those of us who follow these things, who can forget wonderful moments like these from good ol' "Foot In Mouth" Joe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIT3jUrNTX0

What a dork.

[lily]

Lily, Ben Smith of Politico was the one who posted the material. LOL

..........and Ben Smith is still a blogger.......which still doesn't bring us back to your original claim: "Democrats Release Sarah Palin's Social Security Number"

[BoogyMan]

..........and Ben Smith is still a blogger.......which still doesn't bring us back to your original claim: "Democrats Release Sarah Palin's Social Security Number"

LOL, I would have to actually show you a democrat operative delivering the document in order for you to believe it lily, even though it was an opposition research piece created by her democratic opposition in Alaska.

Ben Smith is also a journalist as well as a blogger and he admits posting the material, even though he is too stupid to realize the damage posting such information could cause.

If you want to claim the guy is a liar it is no skin off my back.

[xLIBREx]

LOL, I would have to actually show you a democrat operative delivering the document in order for you to believe it lily, even though it was an opposition research piece created by her democratic opposition in Alaska.

Ben Smith is also a journalist as well as a blogger and he admits posting the material, even though he is too stupid to realize the damage posting such information could cause.

If you want to claim the guy is a liar it is no skin off my back.

Boogy, you have done all you can here. This isn't a political debate, this is a religious debate and as we all know, logic and reason are useless in religious discussion because the believers aren't operating at that level. They are running on nothing but faith. When you question ANYTHING about Obama, in the minds of the faithful you are immediately compartmentalized as a blasphemer.

[Invayne]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/laidbacknluvinit/sub%203/obama-marxpreview.jpg



At least his farts smell good!:worship:

[lily]

LOL, I would have to actually show you a democrat operative delivering the document in order for you to believe it lily, even though it was an opposition research piece created by her democratic opposition in Alaska.

Ben Smith is also a journalist as well as a blogger and he admits posting the material, even though he is too stupid to realize the damage posting such information could cause.

If you want to claim the guy is a liar it is no skin off my back.

Boogy....you know as well as I do, that if this story were true and it was the Democrats, then this would be splashed all over the new....hell fox alone would run it 24/7 marathon.

For someone that won't respond to anonymous sources or third pary confirmation.....you're taking the story a little too far.....and the title of the thread is wrong.

[BoogyMan]

Boogy....you know as well as I do, that if this story were true and it was the Democrats, then this would be splashed all over the new....hell fox alone would run it 24/7 marathon.

For someone that won't respond to anonymous sources or third pary confirmation.....you're taking the story a little too far.....and the title of the thread is wrong.

According to the guy who posted it, the document was real and that is why it was taken down.

The title is exactly as it appeared on the article from the OP, and it is right.

[xLIBREx]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/laidbacknluvinit/sub%203/obama-marxpreview.jpg



At least his farts smell good!:worship:

:worship:

[apdst]

And no, instead you were making muslim comments, making racist comments, demeaning his wife for not being hawt enough, making nasty remarks about his 'fame'

But, again, it was all about him, not laughing at a buncha poor fuckers who got the shit kicked out of them by a major hurricane, with three more coming down the pipe behind it, not attacking his kids and not publishing his SS#.

[lily]

According to the guy who posted it, the document was real and that is why it was taken down.

The title is exactly as it appeared on the article from the OP, and it is right.

Then please show me exactly where it says the Democrats put it put there/gave it to him. I'd also like the name......since that is your requirement when we disagree on an article of this nature.

[xLIBREx]

A lot of libbies still running their mouths yet I don't recall a single one them having posted up a pic of their SS card minus the last four digits. Their original argument of "it's no big deal" has made way for their latest red herring. It's so predictable I could make a flow chart.

[BoogyMan]

Then please show me exactly where it says the Democrats put it put there/gave it to him. I'd also like the name......since that is your requirement when we disagree on an article of this nature.

The document was prepared by Tony Knowles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Knowles_%28politician%29) campaign originally. Ben Smith (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Breaking_Phone_book_reveals_Palin_phone_number.htm l#comments) at politico released it and had to have it removed from the Politico site. He ADMITS to posting it lily.

It is pretty simple, if you have an issue with Smith, you should post a comment on his blog about his unscrupulous use of campaign materials in aid of character assassination. :D

[BoogyMan]

Boogy, you have done all you can here. This isn't a political debate, this is a religious debate and as we all know, logic and reason are useless in religious discussion because the believers aren't operating at that level. They are running on nothing but faith. When you question ANYTHING about Obama, in the minds of the faithful you are immediately compartmentalized as a blasphemer.

Nah, lily aint like that, she just likes to poke me in the eye. :shock:

[xLIBREx]

Nah, lily aint like that, she just likes to poke me in the eye. :shock:

I tend to find that libs simply exploit the civility of others. I think that i painfully obvious in this thread as you keep doing all the work and backing up your position while the opposition simply puts a SEP Field around it and never for a moment even lets it enter their universe.

You will eventually give up and the libs will claim victory. Then the cycle repeats.

[lily]

The document was prepared by Tony Knowles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Knowles_%28politician%29) campaign originally. Ben Smith (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Breaking_Phone_book_reveals_Palin_phone_number.htm l#comments) at politico released it and had to have it removed from the Politico site. He ADMITS to posting it lily.

It is pretty simple, if you have an issue with Smith, you should post a comment on his blog about his unscrupulous use of campaign materials in aid of character assassination. :D

Boogy..........I'm just going by the debating standards you ask of any other poster...no more......no less.

There isn't one shred of proof that a Democrat gave out this information.

[AnnEsthesia]

Maybe not to those who closely follow politics, like those on these types of boards, but this isn't exactly true. I have encountered quite a number of people who did not know who he was.

And yet, they can look at his record and learn. Since Palin is a no one, not much to learn from her record other than that she stands on one side of a LOT of wedge issues.

[AnnEsthesia]

Boogy..........I'm just going by the debating standards you ask of any other poster...no more......no less.

There isn't one shred of proof that a Democrat gave out this information.

Lily, you aren't supposed to notice when the goal posts move! :ecstatic: