* Some Of You Gawd Don't Want *

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.
2. Is it you?
3. Are you the one out of a hundred he doesn't want?
4. Maybe its two hundred.
5. Three?
6. How do you know its you if it is you?
7. Can you get out of it being you?
8. Is there any hope for you?
9. Can you catch a break?
10. Is it already to late?
11. All these questions answered right here on DF and a bag of chips!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[underdawg]

Is that what they teach you in church these days?

[lily]

How do we know it's not you he doesn't want?

[bobbylien]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.
2. Is it you?
3. Are you the one out of a hundred he doesn't want?
4. Maybe its two hundred.
5. Three?
6. How do you know its you if it is you?
7. Can you get out of it being you?
8. Is there any hope for you?
9. Can you catch a break?
10. Is it already to late?
11. All these questions answered right here on DF and a bag of chips!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

There is hope for all who believe in the lord. At least thats what the bible/god says. At any moment someone can change his/her ways and put all of their sins behind them provided they repent for them. At no point is someone unable to come back to the lord. You are a false prophet chesswarsnow.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no, this isn't being taught at any church, as far as I know, underdawg, this is a worthy debate topic thou.
2. But lily, if it were I, then why would I your highly trained Biblical Advisor, would not of brought it up.
3. But Bobby, what I have brought up for debate isn't prophetic, or am I saying its some sort of prophecy.
4. Its just a personal belief, based on years and years, of Biblical Studies, and understanding that Gawd has a plan for everyone who he *Creates*, some for good, and some for destruction.
5. And there isn't anything that surprises Gawd, thats why he is the Creator.
6. Based on the level of wayward humans roaming the planet these days, I'd have to conclude that no less than 50% of all humans walking the planet are not making the grade.
7. This is all a part of the final plan, otherwise how else could it be viewed.
8. I mean no harm towards, those *You's* that can not say they are under Gawds umbrella.
9. I am not condemning you, *You's*, perhaps I am more extending an olive branch towards the *You's*, instead of condemnation towards the *You's, amongst this audience.
10. Unless those who are a *You*, and begin to ask question of their own *Youships*, then they may never realize what boat that they are in, unless they ask themselves the question, *Am I a You?* or *Is it I?*

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Sorry bout that,


4. Its just a personal belief, based on years and years, of Biblical Studies, and understanding that Gawd has a plan for everyone who he *Creates*, some for good, and some for destruction.
5. And there isn't anything that surprises Gawd, thats why he is the Creator.
6. Based on the level of wayward humans roaming the planet these days, I'd have to conclude that no less than 50% of all humans walking the planet are not making the grade.
7. This is all a part of the final plan, otherwise how else could it be viewed.
8. I mean no harm towards, those *You's* that can not say they are under Gawds umbrella.
9. I am not condemning you, *You's*, perhaps I am more extending an olive branch towards the *You's*, instead of condemnation towards the *You's, amongst this audience.
10. Unless those who are a *You*, and begin to ask question of their own *Youships*, then they may never realize what boat that they are in, unless they ask themselves the question, *Am I a You?* or *Is it I?*

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Then it's all pre-ordained according to you......so what's to be saved? Why ask question? But the most important question........why am I indulging your God fantasy???

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lily, your answer is: * Because *

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.
2. Is it you?
3. Are you the one out of a hundred he doesn't want?
4. Maybe its two hundred.
5. Three?
6. How do you know its you if it is you?
7. Can you get out of it being you?
8. Is there any hope for you?
9. Can you catch a break?
10. Is it already to late?
11. All these questions answered right here on DF and a bag of chips!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

There is hope for all who believe in the lord. At least thats what the bible/god says. At any moment someone can change his/her ways and put all of their sins behind them provided they repent for them. At no point is someone unable to come back to the lord. You are a false prophet chesswarsnow.


thank you is all I have to say....

[askates]

Oh, accept isn't it a sin to call God by another name.... i.e. Gawwd, You call him Gawd ill call him Mothra

[Elrathin]

1. But lily, your answer is: * Because *


God and I had a chat, he said you're going to hell. Hope you like it there.

[bobbylien]

3. But Bobby, what I have brought up for debate isn't prophetic, or am I saying its some sort of prophecy.
Maybe not but you are claiming your beliefs to be facts but you have no proof.

6. Based on the level of wayward humans roaming the planet these days, I'd have to conclude that no less than 50% of all humans walking the planet are not making the grade.
7. This is all a part of the final plan, otherwise how else could it be viewed.
It is your job, as a christian, to go out into the world and try to fix that.
Not making the grade is a lot different than "some of you god don't want."

4. Its just a personal belief, based on years and years, of Biblical Studies, and understanding that Gawd has a plan for everyone who he *Creates*, some for good, and some for destruction.
So why does god put us here if we have no control over our own destiny? Nowhere in the bible did I ever read that god created people specifically for destruction or for good. Isn't life supposed to be about choosing your own path and helping other people?


So if I'm getting your point you believe that all of us are either created to be evil or good and theres no point in trying to help anyone? If thats what you are getting at, I will have to disagree.

[Pookie]

How can God not want me? He created me just to throw me away?
My just and merciful God would not do that. He loves me, and He is with me. Why would He not want me? I think that might be a little odd.
Purrs,
Pookie

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Pookie, just apply what you said to Liberals.
2. In so doing you will have to ask yourself why is it so easy for them to throw away a baby?
3. A baby that hasn't even been born.
4. This sounds inhuman, for a women to throw out a life from within her womb, to most who have any understanding of compassion for a fellow human being.
5. But to fling a unborn baby into the trash, reveals much about human nature.
6. And also reveals some attributes to the Gawdheads judgement, towards his creation as well.
7. Gawd can be merciful, where mercy is due.
8. Otherwise, I am sure he is very very strict.
9. Bobby, the proof is in the scriptures, I have been an avid student of it for over 15 years.
10. Sometimes a man has to be have an awakening, and sometimes for those who are rough riders, need a peek over into the abyss.
11. I am providing that peek.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

5. But to fling a unborn baby into the trash, reveals much about human nature.


The fact that you used the verb "fling" reveals alot about you.

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Pookie, just apply what you said to Liberals.
2. In so doing you will have to ask yourself why is it so easy for them to throw away a baby?
3. A baby that hasn't even been born.
4. This sounds inhuman, for a women to throw out a life from within her womb, to most who have any understanding of compassion for a fellow human being.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Well, chess according to your theory, God has it all planned out. If God made some people evil and some people good, it only stand to reason that God made some babies to be aborted.

[BoogyMan]

Well, chess according to your theory, God has it all planned out. If God made some people evil and some people good, it only stand to reason that God made some babies to be aborted.


Wow, did I miss a post where this was said? I don't think I saw that.

[lily]

Post #1 and post #5.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But you, you's can bet that you will be flung into hell, not carefully placed into hell.
2. Gawd has a place for those he refuses.
3. And they will all be cast into hell, kinda like those unborn who were flung into the trash.
4. These two realities bare witness on each other.
5. And no body is meant to die in the womb by mans hands, or woman's, despicable.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Are you now changing your prophecy?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But when did I your Highly Trained Conservative Republican Adviser, say that I was a self proclaimed prophet?
2. You are mistaken.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Pookie]

So you are saying that a woman should go ahead and have a baby even if it kills them both. Ignore God-given medical advice and just go ahead. Both die.
That seems less than a solution to me.
Interesting.
Pookie

[CheesyMuslim]

Ignore God-given medical advice and just go ahead.
Pookie



Sorry bout that,

1. But no, Doctors are not Gawd.
2. That's a huge mistake to say that, you wanna take that back?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.
2. Is it you?
3. Are you the one out of a hundred he doesn't want?
4. Maybe its two hundred.
5. Three?
6. How do you know its you if it is you?
7. Can you get out of it being you?
8. Is there any hope for you?
9. Can you catch a break?
10. Is it already to late?
11. All these questions answered right here on DF and a bag of chips!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Jimmy, just today Jesus told me he loves me, but he can't STAND you.

[CheesyMuslim]

[
Jimmy, just today Jesus told me he loves me, but he can't STAND you.



Sorry bout that,

1. But seems like you have taken a look over the edge of the abyss, have you not?
2. It is obvious seeing you have started personal attacks about it.
3. Why not be honest about it bucky boy?
4. You are fooling no one.
5. Sad to say, you more than likely are to proud.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But those who pretend to have spoken to Gawd, and make claims that you want to condemn me, are just fooling yourselves.
2. I am a Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser, and can not be deceived by harsh words from any wayward sinners.
3. This site frowns on personal attacks, you are pre-warned.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

3. This site frowns on personal attacks, you are pre-warned.


We also have some gays on this board and you saying they are going to hell is a personal attack. You have been pre-warned.

[CheesyMuslim]

3. This site frowns on personal attacks, you are pre-warned.


We also have some gays on this board and you saying they are going to hell is a personal attack.Â*Â*You have been pre-warned.



Sorry bout that,

1. But I, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser, hasn't directly attacked anyone here about being gay.
2. Your a twister, huh dude?
3. I have many times explained what Gawd tends to do to gays, That I am guilty of.
4. I spare no words.
5. I call it as I see it.
6. Spare me your pointless attacks.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But I, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser, hasn't directly attacked anyone here about being gay.
2. Your a twister, huh dude?

You saying you're a highly trained conservative republican political/bibilical adviser is the twist. Thanks for proving that.



3. I have many times explained what Gawd tends to do to gays, That I am guilty of.
4. I spare no words.
5. I call it as I see it.
6. Spare me your pointless attacks.


The only one with personal attacks is you. This is fact.

[Buck Laser]

[
Jimmy, just today Jesus told me he loves me, but he can't STAND you.



Sorry bout that,

1. But seems like you have taken a look over the edge of the abyss, have you not?
2. It is obvious seeing you have started personal attacks about it.
3. Why not be honest about it bucky boy?
4. You are fooling no one.
5. Sad to say, you more than likely are to proud.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


I didn't know "proud" was a verb. What does it mean?

[lily]

[
Jimmy, just today Jesus told me he loves me, but he can't STAND you.



Sorry bout that,

1. But seems like you have taken a look over the edge of the abyss, have you not?
2. It is obvious seeing you have started personal attacks about it.
3. Why not be honest about it bucky boy?
4. You are fooling no one.
5. Sad to say, you more than likely are to proud.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


You say that Buck Laser hasn't spoken to God. You say you know what God wants..........I have no clue what the difference is, both seem the same to me.

Your choice folks........keep up the personal attacks and everyone gets a warning or I lock the thread and the discussion is over.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I am sorry I called Buck Laser, bucky boy, that was uncalled for, and I will try to re-frame from it again.
2. Other than that I haven't done a personal attack on anyone in this thread.
3. I am discussing a topic, pointing out some details, I have noticed.
4. Some have piped in with attacks.
5. Could be they think this thread refers to them.
6. I can not say for sure, but they could.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

chesswarsnow


1. But I am sorry I called Buck Laser, bucky boy, that was uncalled for, and I will try to re-frame from it again.

Thank you.


2. Other than that I haven't done a personal attack on anyone in this thread.

I didn't say you did.......the post was meant for ALL.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But isn't life and living a good life what life is all about.
2. And wouldn't it be swell to know that in living your life, that if there were a Gawd, that he was for you and not against you?
3. So, if having Gawd be for you would be pretty cool, and having Gawd against you, if you didn't believe in Gawd, and your sense of doom was turned off.
4. Wouldn't it be worth a look at this Gawd, just to be able to be clear on it, if maybe, just maybe you have been misled, by the devil?
5. Now that brings in another whole spectrum, now you will have to believe in the devil as well.
5. a) Not that you have to concern your belief in him or even regard it as anything of worth, because he, the devil, is a worthless entity, a fallen angel, which in a way, is stupid for an angel to try to oppose, The Living Gawd.
6. Having this Great conflict between Gawd and the devil, brings in the two things angle.
7. Which you know I love, the, this does, * Two Things *.
8. One way to confirm that Gawd is real, is look and learn if you were deceived by the devil, perhaps when you were very young, that's when it took place.
9. The devil is very tricky, and subversive, and uses common tricks to treat and amaze your senses.
10. Some of you really never gave it much thought after you were tricked, being blinded by the simplistic trick.
11. What was the simplistic trick you may ask, I your Highly Trained Conservative Republican/Political Adviser, will tell you what it was that captured your soul.
12. All this and a bag of chips, right here on DF.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[underdawg]

Knowing how I feel in my heart and what I think of right and wrong. If such a God didn't like me for being homosexual, and knowing in my heart that I was made that way, then perhaps I needed to take a look at such a hatefull judgemental god and reconsider. If a god would create homosexuals , then condemn them for being homosexual, then that god is unworthy of being praised. If I were to worship such a god I might as well put a sign on my back that says "kick me harder." Knowing that the Bible was written by men instead of God, I can either think that men put their prejudice into the Bible and that god really doesn't hate homosexuals, or else I can just reject such a god altogether and pick another one, or none at all.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I got nothing for post #34.
2. I can not advise you underdawg.
3. Sorry bout that.
4. I wish I had an answer for you.
5. But I can not side contrary to Gawds words.
6. Not that I ever would, but to show you some sort of favor, or give you some sort of hope, I can not.
7. So what's left is pretty much, nothing.
8. If I were you I would seek out some help thou, your post #34 pretty much painted yourself into a corner.
9. Which I have never intended to do that to you.
10. I can see you are giving what I have said some deep thought, which is a good start.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[underdawg]

I am not worried about it. I thought about it long and hard many years ago and came to realize that I am a lot happier now than trying to fit into a religion that has no benefit to me.

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,
11. What was the simplistic trick you may ask, I your Highly Trained Conservative Republican/Political Adviser, will tell you what it was that captured your soul.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Saint James, if you actually got certified as a "highly trained conservative republican political adviser (sic)", I think you might ought to consider returning your diploma with an apology for taking it under false pretenses.:P

Ol' Buck

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the benefit is huge, for those who *ask* for it.
2. The down fall is just as bad and people unknowingly *ask* for it.
3. A man can lead another man to water, but he can not make him drink.
4. And also a woman.
5. Its a wonder why more people do not *ask*.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But what makes you think that after bashing Gawd, with your rough speeches about Gawd, that Gawd will except you after your die?
2. Sadly you will learn of it after the fact.
3. No one can make you believe, so believe or not, we all have a choice to make.
4. I can point the way, but I can't guide your steps.
5. Only Gawd, can do that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[dgridley]

Must be.. I've run into exactly that kind of thinking thruout the MidWest.. it's amazing how some people think..



Is that what they teach you in church these days?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Okay I need a translator????
2. Some one explain what that last post was about, # 40.
3. Maybe it was pointless?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[NortheastCynic]

The whole topic of this thread is "God won't accept all of you"...Were you really expecting this to be anything other than a pointless thread?

[Technocrat]

I don't want God to except me. I'd much rather go to Hell than be in Yaweh's Heaven, for he's a devious, mean, jealous, nasty, sadomasochistic, infanticidal wacktard.

[dgridley]

What's pointless is you pretending to know who God will accept and who He won't..



Sorry bout that,

1. Okay I need a translator????
2. Some one explain what that last post was about, # 40.
3. Maybe it was pointless?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Anti-Racism]

Just yesterday, I bought meth and had sex with a gay male prostitute while chanting verses from the Koran and promoting Darwinism as fact.

Your God doesn't want me... and I want hIM dead.

Anti-God (http://www.fuckchrist.com/)

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if Gawd does want some of you, then why don't you know Gawd?
2. One hinges on the other it seems.
3. Open The Door.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Professor]

I am going to answer this in CWN style, numbering my points.

1. But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.


How can God not want me? He created me just to throw me away?
My just and merciful God would not do that. He loves me, and He is with me. Why would He not want me? I think that might be a little odd.
Purrs,
Pookie

1. But Pookie, just apply what you said to Liberals.



1. So when you say that god doesn't want some of us, what you really mean is god doesn't want the liberals? Or more to the fact, you don't want god to want the liberals. I've also studied the Bible and I don't see anything in it excluding people, on any condition barring excommunication.


6. How do you know its you if it is you?
7. Can you get out of it being you?
8. Is there any hope for you?
9. Can you catch a break?
10. Is it already to late?


5. Could be they think this thread refers to them.


2. Are you trying to do mission work through this thread? It is my opinion that this is not the way to attract new people to the church. People generally don't respond well to announcements that they may be the ones excluded. Perhaps asking people if they want information, and putting something in your signature would be a kinder, more productive way.


1. But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.
2. Is it you?
3. Are you the one out of a hundred he doesn't want?
4. Maybe its two hundred.
5. Three?


3. Could you please back up these statements with Bible verses?


1. But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.
2. Is it you?


4. Is it you CWN? Are you feeling shaky in your faith right now? Ostracized? Unsure of the future and the god's part?

[askates]

Once again, isn't it a sin to call God by any other name i.e. GAWD, you are specifically disrespecting his written(lol) request to be called God, big baby jesus gonna be mad at you!!!, whats funny to me is that all you evangelical Christian republicans act like you are so anti-terrorism, but you want the same things and harbor the same f*cking beliefs as them(sexual cleansing,religious cleansing, misogynism) . also i'm sure regardless of all of your blasphemy, God will still want you Chess

[Elrathin]

God will still want you Chess, even though your a neo-american terrorist.


Well I guess there is a first for everything so here goes and this one is defending Chess on the accusation of being a terrorist. I think that you should edit that comment of calling him a terrorist out.

I agree with almost NOTHING of what chess says, but I do not think he is a terrorist. I think he has some radical, backwords, and dangerous ideas if they were implemented, but I don't think Chess has actually commited any form of terrorism nor is he a terrorist.

People are entitled to their beliefs no matter how backwards they may seem to be to the rest of us. I don't like Phelps, the kkk, or any other radical group out there, but they have a right to say what they want.

[Professor]

***I edited my above post to make additional points I didn't have time to make before, as I had to go to work.**


Once again, isn't it a sin to call God by any other name i.e. GAWD, you are specifically disrespecting his written(lol) request to be called God, big baby jesus gonna be mad at you!!!,


I think it's okay to call god by other names as long as they are used with proper reverence.Â*Â*Just not, "Hey dude, for Christmas I want an Xbox."Â*Â*I've heard the names Savior, Jesus, Christ, Jesus Christ, the Son, J man, and God.Â*Â*


whats funny to me is that all you evangelical Christian republicans act like you are so anti-terrorism,Â*Â*but you want the same things and harbor the same f*ckingÂ*Â*beliefs as them(sexual cleansing,religious cleansing, misogynism) .


These are only a small percent of each group.Â*Â*Unfortunately, they seem to be the small percent that is being represented right now.Â*Â*But yes, the irony is overwhelming.

Also ironic is that Muslims and Christians share one founding patriarch, Abraham.Â*Â*The Jews also lay claim to him.Â*Â*Yet there is so much fighting among religions who have this as a similarity.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Liberalism has a serious flaw.
2. It refuse's to regard life as sacred.
3. This fatal flaw has a way of permeating throughout all its political views.
4. Everything, and everyone is expendable.
5. Look how homosexuals on opposites sides of the Political spectrum treat one another.
6. Oh and Professor, I am very secure in my Religious Life, thanks bud.
7. If I can get some of the atheists here to take a look at Gawd, then I do well in attempting to convert them with harsh words., of basic reality.
8. askates still trying to catch me in my words, but thats cool, using the word Gawd, is a reference to the all out POWER, of Gawd, and isn'tÂ*Â*slanderous or disrespectful, in the least.
9. Nice try askates.
10. Father Abraham is a Good Man.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

5. Look how homosexuals on opposites sides of the Political spectrum treat one another.


Look how heterosexuals on opposite sides of the Political spectrum treat each other. Hi, welcome to human nature. Sexual preference has nothing to do with it Chess.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it seems as thou Homosexuals in the Liberal Party, are revealing that their way of living is wrong.
2. When they use the act of homosexuality as a tool or weapon to hit others in the Republican Party over the Political Head.
3. By them doing so, this reveals that deep down inside, they believe that, their sinful nature is all wrong.
4. Or why else would they use it as a weapon on each other?
5. We believers know its wrong, and they want to convert us to believe that *Homosexual Marriages*, should be allowed to equalize them with heterosexuals, who never use heterosexuality as a weapon on others in a different Party.
6. I don't see too many drunks in the Republican Party, attacking Ol' Teddy *Boy* Kennedy, or adulterer's attacking other adulterer's.
7. For these hipicrite homosexuals to attack other homosexuals reveal their double helping of out right evil hypocrisy.
8. For moral people, this is easy to see.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But it seems as thou Homosexuals in the Liberal Party, are revealing that their way of living is wrong.

No, what they do is oust those REPUBLICAN gays that spout of anti-gay speech.


4. Or why else would they use it as a weapon on each other?

Because they are ousting hypocrites.


5. We believers know its wrong, and they want to convert us to believe that *Homosexual Marriages*, should be allowed to equalize them with heterosexuals, who never use heterosexuality as a weapon on others in a different Party.

You use heterosexuality as a weapon ALL the time chess, telling people that they are wrong if they are not heterosexuals.


6. I don't see too many drunks in the Republican Party, attacking Ol' Teddy *Boy* Kennedy, or adulterer's attacking other adulterer's.
7. For these hipicrite homosexuals to attack other homosexuals reveal their double helping of out right evil hypocrisy.

They are ousting them because they are hypocrites. There is a difference there chess.


8. For moral people, this is easy to see.

There are no moral people only hypocrites who claim they are moral.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if Liberal Homosexuals can use their Homosexuality as a weapon on other Homosexuals, then they to should be attacked and sunk by other Homosexuals, even Heterosexuals, should be attacking them, as far as that goes.
2. There should be no safe Homosexuals.
3. They should all be discouraged, and not given uncalled for freedoms.
4. They are immoral, and shouldn't be rewarded in any way whatsoever.
5. These are the facts, and I am sure some of you can not swallow them.
6. But its true.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[MAP2010.wireless]

1. But lily, your answer is: * Because *


God and I had a chat, he said you're going to hell.Â*Â*Hope you like it there.


Hey, I hope that was a Joke.
"God and I had a chat" because its only crazy people who claim they Talk with God.

[Elrathin]

Hey, I hope that was a Joke.
"God and I had a chat" because its only crazy people who claim they Talk with God.


MAP it was satire, and as you can see (I hope) Chess is full of it.

[Professor]

1. But Liberalism has a serious flaw.
2. It refuse's to regard life as sacred.
3. This fatal flaw has a way of permeating throughout all its political views.
4. Everything, and everyone is expendable.


Can you give me any examples?

I think the republican party has shown they don't respect life, by sending troops to Iraq under false pretenses and the treatment of foreign prisoners.


1. But it seems as thou Homosexuals in the Liberal Party, are revealing that their way of living is wrong.
2. When they use the act of homosexuality as a tool or weapon to hit others in the Republican Party over the Political Head.
3. By them doing so, this reveals that deep down inside, they believe that, their sinful nature is all wrong.
4. Or why else would they use it as a weapon on each other?


Again examples please.

I don't think they use homosexuality as a tool, I think support of an alternative, acceptable lifestyle in the face of a group who doesn't accept and won't acknowledge it looks like a battle. If you don't want your party to look like it's being attacked, then don't attack yourselves. I don't think it's any indication that homosexuality is wrong.


1. But if Liberal Homosexuals can use their Homosexuality as a weapon on other Homosexuals, then they to should be attacked and sunk by other Homosexuals, even Heterosexuals, should be attacking them, as far as that goes.
2. There should be no safe Homosexuals.


Example please.

I don't think I understand what you are saying. Should we threaten the livelihood of homosexuals?


5. These are the facts, and I am sure some of you can not swallow them.


Impartial source please. And the bible is not impartial.

[Elrathin]

Professor you are asking for proof from Chess. Just read his posts and you will see he gives none.

[MAP2010.wireless]

Hey, I hope that was a Joke.
"God and I had a chat" because its only crazy people who claim they Talk with God.


MAP it was satire, and as you can see (I hope) Chess is full of it.


Well as you might know, I do think Gays are not right.
I think it is wrong, God is not for Gays.
But I will say IF a person changes they can be saved.
It is not up to me to say who will be saved or who will not go to heaven.

I want everyone to goto Heaven, Everyone has that chance.

If it was up to me no one would goto Hell, No one.

Thanks

Mark

[Professor]

Professor you are asking for proof from Chess.Â*Â*Just read his posts and you will see he gives none.


I am giving him a chance to back up his claims. If he doesn't I'll assume that he can't and his argument is moot.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. What Claims?
2. I make so many.
3. Give me a list, I will try to sort it out.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Professor]

Sorry bout that,

1. What Claims?
2. I make so many.
3. Give me a list, I will try to sort it out.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Just the ones in the post when I asked for them. Post #58.Â*Â*Thank you.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,







1. But Liberalism has a serious flaw.
2. It refuse's to regard life as sacred.
3. This fatal flaw has a way of permeating throughout all its political views.
4. Everything, and everyone is expendable.


Can you give me any examples?

1.) Abortion.

I think the republican party has shown they don't respect life, by sending troops to Iraq under false pretenses and the treatment of foreign prisoners.



2.) Like WWII?
3.) Some wars have to be fought , perhaps the world in general hasn't learned this yet.




1. But it seems as thou Homosexuals in the Liberal Party, are revealing that their way of living is wrong.
2. When they use the act of homosexuality as a tool or weapon to hit others in the Republican Party over the Political Head.
3. By them doing so, this reveals that deep down inside, they believe that, their sinful nature is all wrong.
4. Or why else would they use it as a weapon on each other?


Again examples please.


4. ) Foley, Haggard.



I don't think they use homosexuality as a tool, I think support of an alternative, acceptable lifestyle in the face of a group who doesn't accept and won't acknowledge it looks like a battle.Â*Â*If you don't want your party to look like it's being attacked, then don't attack yourselves.Â*Â*I don't think it's any indication that homosexuality is wrong.


5. ) I do, its very obvious if you look with open eyes.





1. But if Liberal Homosexuals can use their Homosexuality as a weapon on other Homosexuals, then they to should be attacked and sunk by other Homosexuals, even Heterosexuals, should be attacking them, as far as that goes.
2. There should be no safe Homosexuals.


Example please.Â*Â*



6.) Tom Haggard.




I don't think I understand what you are saying.Â*Â*Should we threaten the livelihood of homosexuals?


7.) That would be a start, fire the whole lot of them.
8.) And replace them over night.
9.) Could be one way to force them back into the closet.




5. These are the facts, and I am sure some of you can not swallow them.


Impartial source please.Â*Â*And the bible is not impartial.



10. I am the source, live with it, others agree.
11. Doing an Internet search for a source, even you can do.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

10. I am the source, live with it, others agree.



Meaning more rhetoric, thanks for admiting that Chess. No proof, just rhetoric. We don't expect anymore from you really we don't.

I think those that believe in god are nutballs, so I guess I am right because I say it. I am the source, live with it, others agree.

[Professor]

1. But Liberalism has a serious flaw.
2. It refuse's to regard life as sacred.
3. This fatal flaw has a way of permeating throughout all its political views.
4. Everything, and everyone is expendable.

Can you give me any examples?

1.) Abortion.


[/quote]

I disagree that abortion shows life is expendable. I think it can preserve the quality of life for those already living by preventing a financial drain on a parent who isn't ready for it and giving them the right to chose what happens in their life.


I think the republican party has shown they don't respect life, by sending troops to Iraq under false pretenses and the treatment of foreign prisoners.

2.) Like WWII?
3.) Some wars have to be fought , perhaps the world in general hasn't learned this yet.
[/quote]

I agree. Some wars do need to be fought. Iraq was not one of them.





1. But it seems as thou Homosexuals in the Liberal Party, are revealing that their way of living is wrong.
2. When they use the act of homosexuality as a tool or weapon to hit others in the Republican Party over the Political Head.
3. By them doing so, this reveals that deep down inside, they believe that, their sinful nature is all wrong.
4. Or why else would they use it as a weapon on each other?


Again examples please.


4. ) Foley, Haggard.



I don't see Foley and Haggard using their sexuality as a weapon on each other. They are simply coming out of the closet with their lifestyle. Foley though is a different case.



I don't think they use homosexuality as a tool, I think support of an alternative, and acceptable lifestyles in the face of a group who doesn't accept and won't acknowledge it looks like a battle. If you don't want your party to look like its being attacked, then don't attack yourselves. I don't think it's any indication that homosexuality is wrong.


5. ) I do, its very obvious if you look with open eyes.




I am looking at it with open eyes and I still don't see it. Could you explain your views without being so vague?





1. But if Liberal Homosexuals can use their Homosexuality as a weapon on other Homosexuals, then they to should be attacked and sunk by other Homosexuals, even Heterosexuals, should be attacking them, as far as that goes.
2. There should be no safe Homosexuals.


Example please.




6.) Tom Haggard.


Did you mean Ted Harrard (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-05-haggard-church-stunned_x.htm)?

I don't see what he did to be anything involving liberals. He was gay but he was the one who decided to hire the prostitutes, take the drugs and engage in the lifestyle. He is married, so he can't even blame clerical celibacy. The only one responsible is him.



I don't think I understand what you are saying. Should we threaten the livelihood of homosexuals?


7.) That would be a start, fire the whole lot of them.
8.) And replace them over night.
9.) Could be one way to force them back into the closet.


You can't force someone back into the closet. Once you know that they are gay, you know. The only way someone has a change to hide their sexual preference again is by moving to a new area or if an entire population takes a blow to the head.

Your ideas scare me, they sound like the beginnings Holocaust.



10. I am the source, live with it, others agree.


No, that's bogus. You can have opinions, but you are not a source.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But CWN is a Source.
2. I'm am sourced all the time.
3. There are thousands who source my views everyday, because I am ahead of the curve on Reality.
4. With knowledge on loan from Gawd.
5. The turn against homosexuals has to take place in order to get more of you in a happy place in your lives.
6. Otherwise more and more will have to accept being gay as being happy.
7. But it is better for you and everyone in general that what I say take hold, and come to pass, and take root.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But CWN is a Source.

Not a credible one.


2. I'm am sourced all the time.
3. There are thousands who source my views everyday, because I am ahead of the curve on Reality.

Proof? Show us the links where people source you. Oh wait you don't provide proof, just rhetoric.


4. With knowledge on loan from Gawd.

More offtopic ego crap. Can you stay on topic Chess or do you want this thread to be about you?


5. The turn against homosexuals has to take place in order to get more of you in a happy place in your lives.

It won't homosexuality is here to stay. Deal with it.


6. Otherwise more and more will have to accept being gay as being happy.

They are happy. They are happy when bigoted iditos stop harrassing them for being gay.


7. But it is better for you and everyone in general that what I say take hold, and come to pass, and take root.

It won't, we just take your comments as we would a comment from the KKK or any other hate filled group in regards to gays. We laugh and discard it as lunacy.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But its sane, and what's correct.
2. And it will always be correct.
3. Not ever will a homosexual get into heaven.
4. Its an abomination remember?
5. I can not say that strongly enough.
6. Every homosexual who ever walked the planet will end up in hell.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

if hell is the opposite of where you are going, sign me up, id rather be there

[dgridley]

I think CWN will be in for a rude awakening on Judgement Day.. but I'm with you on this one, Askates.


if hell is the opposite ofÂ*Â*where you are going, sign me up, id rather be there

[askates]

will and grace is playing each season in consecutive order forever, in hell

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Suit yourselves.
2. You have a right to choose your own path.
3. No one here will stop you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Professor]

will and grace is playing each season in consecutive order forever, in hell


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


1. Suit yourselves.
2. You have a right to choose your own path.
3. No one here will stop you.


Thank you.

[wonder cow]

But the fact is, Gawd doesn't want everyone of you.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But how do you think Gawd will consider a suicide bomber?
2. Or a person living a sinful life, knowingly, ie. homosexuals.
3. Can those who refuse to be reasoned with on morality, can they be forgiven?
4. How does a suicide bomber repent after hes blown himself up?
5. Or crashed planes into buildings?
6. I am sure some people will do despicable things, and Gawd is already aware of what they will do, and have done as far as that goes.
7. And these people will not find the room or time to repent.
8. So in-turn, Some of you Gawd don't want.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Professor]

8. So in-turn, Some of you Gawd don't want.


Not only have you failed to give sources but wonder cow just quoted something that goes against what you say.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I just answered that.
2. I don't go and search out links very often.
3. I think I was very clear in my answer thou.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Now you're comparing homosexuals to suicide bombers? Unbelievable!

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But sure, both are an abomination, as far as what Gawd says about them both.
2. Having innocent blood on your hands is comparable to being a homosexual, on Gawds ruler.
3. You might think that's a stretch but it isn't, both are hideous to Gawd.
4. There isn't a grey area here, its a cut and dried fact.
5. And there's no way to sugar coat it.

Regards,
SIrJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But sure


You've said some sick things in your time Chess, but comparing Homosexuals to people that strap bombs and kill innocent people is beyond sick.

They are nowhere the same.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you look up what the word abomination means, and compare the two, you would see the comparison.
2. I see them as both insanely bad.
3. But that's my opinion, and I think Gawd is with me on this.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

3. But that's my opinion, and I think Gawd is with me on this.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Oh, the humility!!!:P

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you look up what the word abomination means, and compare the two, you would see the comparison.
2. I see them as both insanely bad.
3. But that's my opinion, and I think Gawd is with me on this.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas



Seriously, Chess.........I honestly don't think your getting any converts with this rhetoric. The more I read, the more I know I don't want any part of the hateful God you're selling.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1, But are you prepared to defend homosexuals, and terrorists, Buck Laser ?
2. I'm all ears.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I am getting converts lily, who's know when it will take place.
2. I planted some seeds, they will grow, no doubt.
3. Sure maybe it was hard for you to watch, but it worked.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

1, But are you prepared to defend homosexuals, and terrorists, Buck Laser ?
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Wull, maybe you can think of some good reasons why I shouldn't. But see, I take this "love your neighbor" stuff pretty seriously. I don't really think God intended to say "love your neighbor unless he's a liberal or a queer." Do you? Me, I think you're a little queer (prolly in the other sense of the word), but I don't hear God telling me to write you off as a lost cause.

Now I'm just speculatin' here, but I have the feeling you're kinda in favor of the people that want to do bad things to kids who get abortions and such.

And as to defending homosexuals, my very best friend in the world from the first grade on came out as a homosexual at the age of 31, after he had served seven years as a Methodist clergyman and fathered three beautiful boys with his wife, who was/is also one of my best friends. No only was he the best person I've ever known, he was one of the best biblical scholars I knew. He performed my wife's and my wedding ceremony, and his wife sang. We have been happily married for 49 years, while my friend literally gave his life to get the United Methodist Church to face the reality that there are faithful people of different sexual orientations WITHIN the Christian faith.

My patience gets tested just about to the breaking point when I encounter people like you who wrap your prepackaged faith up in neat little impregnable bundles that are impervios not only to reason or to the grace of God. I'm glad God is graceful in his judgments, because I'd have a hard time being graceful toward the kind of stiff-necked person you are.
Buck

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But things happen in peoples lives, Buck.
2. Your bud didn't bother to tell you he was a homosexual?
3. And how did he die trying to convert the Methodists?
4. The Methodists seem to be homosexual friendly as far as I can tell.
5. They have hired some homosexual priests.
6. I can see why you have deep feelings about homosexuals, but it wasn't your choice he became a homosexual, it was his.
7. Don't you think it would of been a better choice he he remained straight?
8. He could of continued in the priesthood.
9. Raised those boys, and kept being the regular person he was meant to be.
10. I do feel for your situation thou, and am aware of your pain.
11. What I say is true, and you should know it.
12. If you have any *Bible Knowledge* at all.
13. I didn't write the Bible, but I do understand it.
14. And I won't diminish it for those who claim it points out their sinful ways, as being wrong.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

people who say homosexuality is a choice, are currently dealing with that "choice" in their lives

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. But things happen in peoples lives, Buck.
2. Your bud didn't bother to tell you he was a homosexual?
3. And how did he die trying to convert the Methodists?
4. The Methodists seem to be homosexual friendly as far as I can tell.
5. They have hired some homosexual priests.
6. I can see why you have deep feelings about homosexuals, but it wasn't your choice he became a homosexual, it was his.
7. Don't you think it would of been a better choice he he remained straight?
8. He could of continued in the priesthood.
9. Raised those boys, and kept being the regular person he was meant to be.
10. I do feel for your situation thou, and am aware of your pain.
11. What I say is true, and you should know it.
12. If you have any *Bible Knowledge* at all.
13. I didn't write the Bible, but I do understand it.
14. And I won't diminish it for those who claim it points out their sinful ways, as being wrong.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


There are so many mistakes and deliberate misstatements in your response that about all I can do is respond point by point.
2. "didn't bother?" You don't seem to know much about what it was like growing up in rural Texas in the 40s. None of us had even heard of homosexuality then. I don't think he realized that he was truly different until he was grown. Now, 60+ years later, I can see that he was what he was when we were little boys. But neither of us saw it then.
3. This is a smarmy question. But he died of a tumor on his heart. He spent the last fifteen years of his life trying to get the church to recognize that sexual orientation is unrelated to faith.
4. Although the Methodist church rather famously had a bishop who died of AIDS, neither that bishop, his family, or the church ever admitted it. To this day, the "official" stand of the Methodists is that they will not knowingl ordain a gay person.
5. "Hired some homosexual priests?" You evidently haven't been paying attention much, because there are homosexuals in every religious group in the world, and always have been.
6 & 7: Homosexualtiy has never been a matter of "choice," the delusions of many to the contrary. I have no insight myself into the mind of a homosexual person, but I know that there was never a time when I consciously decided to be a heterosexual rather than a homosexual. It could be, of course, that some people do choose, and hate others for making a different choice. I just don't know.
8. My friend was the best man I ever knew. He could not have remained a minister, because he was compelled by his inner integrity to reaveal who he was. And the Methodist church did not in 1968, nor does it now ordain admitted homosexuals, regardless of what you assert.
9. Although he remained close to his sons, he died while they were still young children. His being gay, however, has nothing to do with his qualities as a parent. I am still close to his former wife, and she says that both her sons and her stepchildren loved him.
12. "If you have any bible knowledge at all..." Son, I have studied Greek and Hebrew extensively enough to be able to have read the bible in the original languages--alas, 40 years of neglect has made that no longer so. But I have a deep and thorough understanding of the scriptures, and of how they came together. I spent three years in graduate studies in preparation for the ministry, and served actively in the church for ten years. I don't usually mention this, but your egregious and outrageous claims to some special and intimate knowledge of God's will has finally pushed me too far. Next time you decide to promote yourself as the arbiter of God's word, try to make sure there's nobody around withe a REAL education in the scriptures.

I will say again that I am eternally grateful that God is merciful and loving, because a lot of his followers sure do piss him off!!!

[askates]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAA WE LOVE BUCK WE LOVE BUCK!!!!!!!!!

[Elrathin]

12. "If you have any bible knowledge at all..." Son, I have studied Greek and Hebrew extensively enough to be able to have read the bible in the original languages--alas, 40 years of neglect has made that no longer so. But I have a deep and thorough understanding of the scriptures, and of how they came together. I spent three years in graduate studies in preparation for the ministry, and served actively in the church for ten years. I don't usually mention this, but your egregious and outrageous claims to some special and intimate knowledge of God's will has finally pushed me too far. Next time you decide to promote yourself as the arbiter of God's word, try to make sure there's nobody around withe a REAL education in the scriptures.


Damn, I think Chess just got the proverbial BITCH SLAP! :D:D:D:D:D

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you indeed have Bible knowledge you would be alert to the parts of it that I agree with about homosexuals.
2. You know what it says yet you go against it.
3. And then you tell me Gawd is mad at me for my agreement with Him.
4. And isn't mad at you and full of gracious mercy towards you for disagreeing with him.
5. I feel your old friend threw it all away for to be a homosexual.
6. He had three sons, a wonderful life helping others in a ministers role.
7. Had a nice wife, sounds like.
8. And yet it wasn't enough, he turned his back on them all, even you to some degree, and went into the homosexual under world.
9. Church had no other recourse but to throw him out.
10. I thought that they were warmer to homosexuals, but I could be wrong about that.
11. I stand with them for being stern.
12. Come on man, I know you guys were buds, and you supported him, but he chose badly.
13. After fathering three sons he should of decided on their behalf, not his sexual perversion.
14. People have a sex drive to breed as youth, but a sex drive to be homosexual is by choice, there's no benefit for being homosexual.
15. And besides that its an abomination, written and told in the Bible.
16. That will never change.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you indeed have Bible knowledge you would be alert to the parts of it that I agree with about homosexuals.
2. You know what it says yet you go against it.
3. And then you tell me Gawd is mad at me for my agreement with Him.
4. And isn't mad at you and full of gracious mercy towards you for disagreeing with him.
The arrogance of someone assuming to know the will of God based on what he thinks is in the bible is absolutely mind-bogglilngly ignorant. I'm gonna have to sit down for a few minutes and let that soak in...I mean, I've been in the presence of fools before, even GREAT fools, but never, I tell you, NEVER have I met any fool so deluded as to believe he knows it all so well he can just 'splain it back to us poor mortals who've spent a lifetime studying it.

I'm not gonna spend my precious time trying to explain the bible and sexuality to you, because I don't think you have the mental equipment to understand. But for starters, you might be able to understand that the hoo-raw at Sodom wasn't about butt-fucking, but about a lack of hospitality and respect by the men of Sodom and Gomorrah for the strangers who were visiting them.

The Hebrews in the OT were locked in nasty struggles with their neighbors and among themselvs during most of their history, and homosexual behavior just wasn't something they spent a whole lot of time worrying about. Since most of them were heterosexual, their worries had more to do with such stuff as keeping their own friends out of their wive's and daughter's beds. If you spent even the tiniest portion of the time and energy you spend vilifying homosexuality trying to clean up your own relationships with your neighbors, you might actually wind up having a pretty good life yourself. But I must say that given your return time and time again to fretting about and condeming homosexuals--and equating them with liberals (?), suggests to me that you are a very confused and conflicted young man, fearful that someone may come along and take your virtue away. That kind of behavior is relatively common among clergy like this Haggard dude, who spent the time he wasn't inveighing against immorailty chasing after it.

5. I feel your old friend threw it all away for to be a homosexual.
6. He had three sons, a wonderful life helping others in a ministers role.
7. Had a nice wife, sounds like.
8. And yet it wasn't enough, he turned his back on them all, even you to some degree, and went into the homosexual under world.
9. Church had no other recourse but to throw him out.
10. I thought that they were warmer to homosexuals, but I could be wrong about that.
11. I stand with them for being stern.
12. Come on man, I know you guys were buds, and you supported him, but he chose badly.
The assumptions you make about my friend and his family and the church are utterly ludicrous: I have no idea where you come up with the fantasies you believe, but it worries the hell out of me that so many people still believe the same old stuff

13. After fathering three sons he should of decided on their behalf, not his sexual perversion.
14. People have a sex drive to breed as youth, but a sex drive to be homosexual is by choice, there's no benefit for being homosexual.
15. And besides that its an abomination, written and told in the Bible.
16. That will never change.
Boy, I have lived and worked among creative people all my life: people with musical, artistic, and physical abilities so far beyond ordinary human norms as to boggle the mind. I've even on occasion been privy to some of that creative drive, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that a person engaged in a creative spell makes no choices, but does what his "muse" guides him to. Similarly, a person subject to a powerful sexual drive doesn't choose whom to love. His genes and hormones drive him.

I've never had to "choose" which gender to be attracted to, because there never were any particular strictures against guys chasing girls. Evidently you live in a different world, where you have to decide each morning whether to like girls or like boys. So I guess I'll have to assume that you are about 14, and still not sure which way you'll flop. Don't worry, Sonny, you won't really have a whole lot of choice in the matter when push comes to shove. If you'd like some F2F counseling, I suppose I can help you get straightened out.

[CheesyMuslim]

[quote=Buck Laser]
That kind of behavior is relatively common among clergy like this Haggard dude, who spent the time he wasn't inveighing against immorailty chasing after it.

Sorry bout that,

1. But isn't this Haggard dude a fallen minister?
2. Kinda like your bud was?
3. But he was a Republican, so that makes him a target, for you, even thou your not a homosexual.
4. But you feel its important to bring up another fallen minister to support the fact your bud was a fallen minister.
5. That's a perfect match for this thread title.
6. Its why I'm here debating, to bring out all the truth.
7. Some people don't like to know the truth, like Bobby.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

[quote=Buck Laser]
That kind of behavior is relatively common among clergy like this Haggard dude, who spent the time he wasn't inveighing against immorailty chasing after it.

Actually, boyo, I was comparing you to the Haggard dude. None of the REAL clergymen I know spend much time preaching against homosexuality--only the looney ones, like Fred Phelps, of Westboro Baptist Church.

When you're ready to engage in some REAL discussion instead of a pissing contest, let me know.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But your the genius and I'm the fool, so why not explain bud?
2. Explain how Gawds going to wink at homosexuality, after he doomed Sodom and Gomorrah, yeah you do that.
3. When Jesus arrived in Sodom, he was greeted by homosexuals who wanted to rape him, Sodom had sunk to this low, and I think that that's where this Country could be headed, if we don't push back the hoards of Homosexuals in this Country.
4. Okay Genius spend a little of your precious time to explain that away.
5. Haggard chose badly, and now he reaps the whirlwind, he brought that upon his whole family.
6. And I, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser have nothing in common with Haggard, other than we are both human beings and are males.
7. Your "Muse" comment has me worried about you.
8. Does sound witch craftish to me, and a bit of the under world reality may have stuck on you, maybe get that checked out.
9. And Buck I am middle aged, (oh the shock!), but look, your friend should of been able to ask you before he turned to homosexuality, "Heyman do you think its a sin to be a homosexual?" And your response to him should of been, *YES*.
10. The fact that you perhaps had an opportunity to guide this old bud of yours shows how lacking your counsel of wisdom, and perhaps value, isn't worth two cents.
11. So stop counseling people, if you indeed did counsel your bud, that its okay to leave your three children, wife, and faith, to escape into the under world of homosexuality.
12. You were in error if you did, and you are the one who needs to take some advise from me, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser.
13. You lecture me, about how I am wrong, nut in-fact its you bud, I can only hope I am getting through to your think head, and no this isn't a personal attack, just the plain truth.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

Sorry bout that,

3. When Jesus arrived in Sodom, he was greeted by homosexuals who wanted to rape him, Sodom had sunk to this low, and I think that that's where this Country could be headed, if we don't push back the hoards of Homosexuals in this Country.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


did jesus use his nunchucks to beat away the rapists, someone call Mel Gibson, i smell blockbuster

[Professor]

3. When Jesus arrived in Sodom, he was greeted by homosexuals who wanted to rape him, Sodom had sunk to this low, and I think that that's where this Country could be headed, if we don't push back the hoards of Homosexuals in this Country.


Sources please.

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. But your the genius and I'm the fool, so why not explain bud?
2. Explain how Gawds going to wink at homosexuality, after he doomed Sodom and Gomorrah, yeah you do that.
3. When Jesus arrived in Sodom, he was greeted by homosexuals who wanted to rape him, Sodom had sunk to this low, and I think that that's where this Country could be headed, if we don't push back the hoards of Homosexuals in this Country.
4. Okay Genius spend a little of your precious time to explain that away.

Damn, sonny, I wish you didn't make this so easy. "Jesus arrived in Sodom????" I hate to have to tell you this, but it was Abraham who had the Sodom adventure. The story is in the 18th and 19th chapters of Genesis if you want to look it up.:cool: (Now I know why my ol' momma told me never to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man!)

5. Haggard chose badly, and now he reaps the whirlwind, he brought that upon his whole family.
6. And I, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser have nothing in common with Haggard, other than we are both human beings and are males.
Well, both of you are obsessed with sex.

7. Your "Muse" comment has me worried about you.
8. Does sound witch craftish to me, and a bit of the under world reality may have stuck on you, maybe get that checked out.
9. And Buck I am middle aged, (oh the shock!), but look, your friend should of been able to ask you before he turned to homosexuality, "Heyman do you think its a sin to be a homosexual?" And your response to him should of been, *YES*.
10. The fact that you perhaps had an opportunity to guide this old bud of yours shows how lacking your counsel of wisdom, and perhaps value, isn't worth two cents.
11. So stop counseling people, if you indeed did counsel your bud, that its okay to leave your three children, wife, and faith, to escape into the under world of homosexuality.
12. You were in error if you did, and you are the one who needs to take some advise from me, The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser.
13. You lecture me, about how I am wrong, nut in-fact its you bud, I can only hope I am getting through to your think head, and no this isn't a personal attack, just the plain truth.
Your constant reference to yourself that you are "highly trained" convinces me beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are a troll. You may in fact be middle aged as you claim, but your understanding of people lies somewhere in the early adolescent range.

[underdawg]

If there is one thing that I have learned, it is that age does not always imply wisdom. I think that everyone stumbles about life searching for answers to life's questions through trial and error. Some seek them through religion, others through science. Those who think they know all the answers usually don't, while those who still seek, may never find the answers, but usually find compassion and understanding of his fellow travelers along the way.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Buck, it was Jesus who went and met with Abraham.
2. He brought other angels with him.
3. That's where Abraham was able to get Lot and his family saved.
4. Abraham negotiated with Jesus if so many were righteous, would He still destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
5. He said he wouldn't.
6. Then Jesus went there to fetch Lot, his wife and two daughters.
7. Then he wiped Sodom and Gomorrah of the face of the Earth.
8. I am The Highly Trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser, never doubt me.
9. Did you not have an opportunity to advise your bud, before he came out of the closet?, Just wondering.
10. I am not obsessed with sex.
11. Just answer the question please, no personal attacks about who's an adolescent or whatever. Thanks.

Regards,
SirJAmesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Buck, it was Jesus who went and met with Abraham.
2. He brought other angels with him.
CWN, much as I hate to have to tell you this, you aren't exactly what I'd call an informed interpreter of scripture.Â*Â*Soon as you can show a biblical or legitimate interpretive source that posits that Jesus was there with Abraham, then I'll listen to you.Â*Â*

Until then, I've read Genesis in the Hebrew and Greek versions (aka the Septuagint, and Jesus is nowhere to be found.Â*Â*In my lifetime, I've probably read twenty or so commentaries on Genesis and the rest of the Pentateuch.Â*Â*The moral of the story in all the commentaries I've read is that the inhabitants of Gomorrah and Sodom violated the sacred and ancient rules of hospitality due to strangers.

One of the unpleasant truths you're going to have to face, CWN, you aren't particularly biblically or theologically literate.Â*Â*I doubt that you could pass an entry-level graduate course in biblical studies. I could, and did, and the statements I make grow out of that education and an additional 43 years of wide reading since my graduation.

Your only interest in the bible seems to be to use it as a proof text to shore up your sex-crazed worries that someone might turn you gay.:P

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

A. But read this bud, a quote from the Bible, now you went and made me do it, bring out the big guns, Gawds word.
1. Genesis CHP. 18 V. 1. And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2. And he lift up his eyes and looked, and lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself towards the ground.
3. And said, My Lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant.

B. This is just the begining of Abraham's one on one contact with Jesus, THE LORD.
C. It goes on just like I stated , where Abraham asks for the lives of Lot, and his family.
D. You didn't learn much when you were in Seminary bud, get a refund dude.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

where in that passage does it mention Jesus getting jumped by gay rapists

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Jesus didn't get jumped by homosexual deviants.
2. What he did was, struck them all with blindness, then He took Lot and his Family out of Sodom and Gomorrah.
3. Then He, Jesus, destroyed both cities.
4. Another link that is in the Bible, Jesus told the Priests in Jerusalem, when they were questioning his authority over them," Before Abraham I am ", dropping a hint, that it was He who met with Abraham at Mamre: can't be any clearer Buck, look into it.
5. And do ask for a refund, it you indeed paid for your schooling, I teach for free.

Regards,
SirJamesofexas

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

A. But read this bud, a quote from the Bible, now you went and made me do it, bring out the big guns, Gawds word.
1. Genesis CHP. 18 V. 1. And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2. And he lift up his eyes and looked, and lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself towards the ground.
3. And said, My Lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant.

B. This is just the begining of Abraham's one on one contact with Jesus, THE LORD.
C. It goes on just like I stated , where Abraham asks for the lives of Lot, and his family.
D. You didn't learn much when you were in Seminary bud, get a refund dude.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


CWN, you need to go back and take a little basic course in biblical language and theology. When the words "the LORD" are used, particularly in the Pentateuch, it's used in place of the Hebrew word YHWH, also known as Yahweh or Jehovah. When the word GOD is used, it stands for the Hebrew word Elohim or simply EL. Incidentally the word "EL" and "ALLAH" are the Hebrew and Arabic versions of the same word.

None of your hot-air claims can take the place of a bit of genuine scholarship, boyo, so I'd suggest that you put your mind in gear before your fingers go to work. People always come back to the Sodom business in attempting to portray the Abrahamic faiths as anti-homosexual, but I don't believe it will wash.

I would suggest that you spend a bit more time in your study of the scriptures concentrating on such things as the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself, and leave the decisions as to whom God may not want to the Lord himself. I'm pretty sure he can make the judgments entirely without your help, however much you may think you're qualified to be his special assistant.:rolleyes:

[dgridley]

To which I can only say, "Amen, brother!" Not to mention, I view CWN's continued use of the appelation "Gawd" as profane, as in blasphemous.




I would suggest that you spend a bit more time in your study of the scriptures concentrating on such things as the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself, and leave the decisions as to whom God may not want to the Lord himself.Â*Â*I'm pretty sure he can make the judgments entirely without your help, however much you may think you're qualified to be his special assistant.:rolleyes:

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But nope, Gawd isn't asking for my judgements, I am explaining HIS.
2. He said what He said, and won't go back on it.
3. So if you teach otherwise, your the heretic, not I.
4. Get a grip ol man, your wrong.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

[quote=dgridley]
To which I can only say, "Amen, brother!" Not to mention, I view CWN's continued use of the appelation "Gawd" as profane, as in blasphemous.


Sorry bout that,

1. Prude.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Lets end the name calling here and now.

[Buck Laser]

1. But nope, Gawd isn't asking for my judgements, I am explaining HIS.
2. He said what He said, and won't go back on it.
3. So if you teach otherwise, your the heretic, not I.
4. Get a grip ol man, your wrong.

Damn, Jimmy, this is SO much fun!!:D You make your outrageous claims about what you think the bible says, and I explain to you in plain language how and why you're wrong. And you decide to ignore it.

Millions of scholars have labored over a period of nearly 3000 years to understand scripture, and no two of them have managed to agree completely, yet you come in here with your comic book theology and tell me I'm the heretic. Okay, you are right. You go on preaching hate at gay people and people who don't share your political view--Anathematize 'Em, By God!!! Meanwhile, I'll just hang around the outskirts, tryin' to feed a few poor folk, help some afflicted, and believe what I heard from the Lord about him loving everybody.

Y'know, I wonder who it is God REALLY doesn't want?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no, its not hate, its the bare truth.
2. You have brain washed yourself to believe in a lie.
3. Your wrong ol man.
4. Look I bet your one heck of a guy, maybe even a decent person, but look your defending what Gawd says is an abomination dude.
5. I think thats a huge mistake bud.
6. And its not supported Biblically.
7. Find it if you can I will wait here.
8. This will take awhile.
9. Anyway, I'm educating these homosexuals, not condemning them, its not my job, to do that.
10. But I am in total agreement with Gawd about what he says about homosexuality.
11. Oh and what was the outrageous claims I made?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Not to mention, I view CWN's continued use of the appelation "Gawd" as profane, as in blasphemous.

I have to agree, this seems to be a use of the name of God in vain.Â*Â*

Also Chess, considering the thread title, it should be pointed out that God wants ALL to come to him, but on His terms.Â*Â*There is not a single person in sin that is not grieved over.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us–ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it would seem some of my critics ain't got much on my message, so they begin to attack specific words.
2. You hypocrites bring it on.
3. Those who use Gods name in vain spell it such, God.
4. I myself do not pretend to use the creators name in vain so I spell it Gawd.
5. Your constant use of one of His names without belief in Him is troublesome.
6. I avoid using His name in vain, by spelling it Gawd, which means * Gawd is the God.*
7. You would be better to use a blank where ever you used His name.
8.Try, ***, would be far better, but you go learn of it, and check back with me latter.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But it would seem some of my critics ain't got much on my message, so they begin to attack specific words.
2. You hypocrites bring it on.
3. Those who use Gods name in vain spell it such, God.
4. I myself do not pretend to use the creators name in vain so I spell it Gawd.
5. Your constant use of one of His names without belief in Him is troublesome.
6. I avoid using His name in vain, by spelling it Gawd, which means * Gawd is the God.*
7. You would be better to use a blank where ever you used His name.
8.Try, ***, would be far better, but you go learn of it, and check back with me latter.


I think you need to read more about what people post because Boogy is actually a Christian. I would trust his word on what the bible means and what the Christian god means over you.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But certainly you would, Boogy isn't firm with his beliefs, and able to side with Gawd on all issue's like I do.
2. He isn't defending the Faith.
3. But he isn't in a position to I suppose.
4. I am, and I will always defend the Bible, over others feelings.
5. If you have a problem with what I say, you have a problem with Gawd.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But certainly you would, Boogy isn't firm with his beliefs, and able to side with Gawd on all issue's like I do.
2. He isn't defending the Faith.
3. But he isn't in a position to I suppose.
4. I am, and I will always defend the Bible, over others feelings.
5. if you have a problem with what I say, you have a problem with Gawd.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess, I can defend my commentary with book, chapter, and verse. With what do you defend yours?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But then explain to these homosexuals how Gawd will forgive what He has condemned, and how I am all wrong.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But then explain to these homosexuals how Gawd will forgive what He has condemned, and how I am all wrong.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess the act is condemned and men are commanded to repent. I never said you were all wrong so lets lose the pouty lipped attitude.

Read my previous commentary and postings. Any man who repents and comes to God in the manner God has designed can be forgiven. Do you have a grasp on the idea of repentance? It doesn't just mean to say you are sorry, it is born of a godly sorrow that leads to a change of life, that is to turn away from and do no more.

Try reading 2 Corinthians 7:9-10 and understand also that the whole book of 1 Corinthians was written to people involved in all kinds of sin. What were those in Corinth told to do? Repent of their sin.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But why didn't those men in Sodom repent, and or get a chance to repent?
2. Ever wonder?
3. I have.
4. Maybe you should too.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But why didn't those men in Sodom repent, and or get a chance to repent?
2. Ever wonder?
3. I have.
4. Maybe you should too.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Guess what Chess, we are not under OT law now. We are under a different covenant. Do the reading.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But in all seriousness, those sins dealt with harshly in the Old, are exposed as remaining sinful in the New.
2. Also a homosexual isn't repentant if he is doing homosexual acts.
3. And I can not see Gawd flinging the doors of heaven wide open for homosexuals just because they say they believe in Him, and yet live in sin, just like all those he already dealt with in Sodom and Gomorrah.
4. Where would be the justice for those he already dealt with?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. But in all seriousness, those sins dealt with harshly in the Old, are exposed as remaining sinful in the New.
2. Also a homosexual isn't repentant if he is doing homosexual acts.
3. And I can not see Gawd flinging the doors of heaven wide open for homosexuals just because they say they believe in Him, and yet live in sin, just like all those he already dealt with in Sodom and Gomorrah.
4. Where would be the justice for those he already dealt with?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Cheesy, I'd like to introduce you to a guy named Fred Phelps. He's the pastor of a nice little church in Topeka, KS, called Westover Baptist Church. I'm pretty sure that you and he will prolly see eye-to-eye on just about everything that you consider important in Christianity. Your best chance of meeting would be at a funeral for an Iraq War victim: he likes to go there to protest homosexuality in America. Of course, you could also go to his website, GodHatesFags.Com. He's your kind of guy.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But, Thanks.
2. I have heard of him and he's nothing like myself.
3. You are just growing weary ol man.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Then perhaps you should take a vacation from slamming gay people. As I've said before, to concentrate on that is to take a mean and narrow view of the faith we share.

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But in all seriousness, those sins dealt with harshly in the Old, are exposed as remaining sinful in the New.
2. Also a homosexual isn't repentant if he is doing homosexual acts.
3. And I can not see Gawd flinging the doors of heaven wide open for homosexuals just because they say they believe in Him, and yet live in sin, just like all those he already dealt with in Sodom and Gomorrah.
4. Where would be the justice for those he already dealt with?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Once again Chess, READ MY COMMENTARY! The definition of repentance I gave you has "turn from and do no more" as part of it.

[askates]

i know this is played out but appropriate
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?


7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

[askates]

Cheesy, I'd like to introduce you to a guy named Fred Phelps. He's the pastor of a nice little church in Topeka, KS, called Westover Baptist Church. I'm pretty sure that you and he will prolly see eye-to-eye on just about everything that you consider important in Christianity. Your best chance of meeting would be at a funeral for an Iraq War victim: he likes to go there to protest homosexuality in America. Of course, you could also go to his website, GodHatesFags.Com. He's your kind of guy.
[/quote]

good callbuck, but chess probably owns stock in godhatesfags.com

[CheesyMuslim]

i know this is played out but appropriate
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.


CWN. No problem.



1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?



CWN 1. No sacrifice's take place now, voided, a Jewish law for Jews.



2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?


CWN 2. Slavery isn't abolished, but there are rules that govern it.



3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.



CWN 3. This one is hard to be perfect in, and there is room for error, should try to avoid it, another Jewish Law.



4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?




CWN 4. USA has laws against it, must follow local laws from whatever nation we are in, Jewish Law.



5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?




CWN 5. Another law directed at the Jewish Peoples, but everyone needs a day of rest, would be good to abide by it, Jewish Law, against Israeli Law.



6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?




CWN 6. Food Laws apply to Jews, still applies.




7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?




CWN 7. Jewish Law, still applies.





8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?




CWN 8. Jewish Law, still applies.





9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?





CWN 9. Jewish Law, still applies, but they have ways to be made clean again.




10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)




CWN 10. Jewish Law, still applies.





I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.





Its no problem, I hope I was able to shed some light on this for you, let me know if you need further instructions.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

i know this is played out but appropriate
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?


7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


This is very simple to deal with askates, we are not under OT law. We have a new and better covenant.

[Elrathin]

We have a new and better covenant.


Isn't that convenient. ;)

Sounds like the OT was a little hard and man decided it was time for a change. :D

No chance mankind would change that would they? ;)

[BoogyMan]

We have a new and better covenant.


Isn't that convenient.Â*Â*;)

Sounds like the OT was a little hard and man decided it was time for a change. :D

No chance mankind would change that would they?Â*Â*;)


If by convenient you mean that it shuts down a silly argument made out of a lack of knowledge of scripture, why yes it is convenient.

God changed the convenant, not man.

You might read Romans chapter 8 and then rethink your commentary.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Gawd didn't change the Covenant, he amended it.
2. Bringing in a better way for those whom would believe in his Son, Jesus.
3. The Covenant with the Jews is Eternal, as is the New and Better Covenant.
4. One dealing with the Jews.
5. The other dealing with the Non-Jews and some Jews who get called into it, to be leaders in this Covenant.
6. The Jewish Laws are still in place for those Jews who have not found Jesus.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[piratemonkey]

If by convenient you mean that it shuts down a silly argument made out of a lack of knowledge of scripture, why yes it is convenient.
I see a pattern.

By definition, anyone who disagrees with your particular Christian sect's interpretation of the Bible displays a "lack of knowledge of scripture."

As in all matters of faith, you are right because you say you are right.


God changed the convenant, not man.

If the new covenant is "new" and "better," why did God make a faulty one the first time?

[BoogyMan]

I see a pattern.

By definition, anyone who disagrees with your particular Christian sect's interpretation of the Bible displays a "lack of knowledge of scripture."

As in all matters of faith, you are right because you say you are right.

I can support my claims with scripture, pirate. All you have is argumentation stating that scripture should not be considered seriously, and you give serious treatment to the writings of a guy who claims Christians should be laughed out of public discourse. I would consider that a lack of knowledge of scripture.

If the new covenant is "new" and "better," why did God make a faulty one the first time?

You are so much fun pirate. Why must the first be faulty if another is given that completes God's will?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Jesus amended the First one, creating the second, to allow the heatherns away to come into Covenant with him.
2. Otherwise, just the Jews would find Gawds grace.
3. Not all people are made to be Jews.
4. A Jew is a Jew.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[piratemonkey]

If the new covenant is "new" and "better," why did God make a faulty one the first time?

You are so much fun pirate.Â*Â*Why must the first be faulty if another is given that completes God's will?


Let's play a game.

What's the opposite of the word "better?"

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Jesus amended the First one, creating the second, to allow the heatherns away to come into Covenant with him.
2. Otherwise, just the Jews would find Gawds grace.
3. Not all people are made to be Jews.
4. A Jew is a Jew.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Ok, then since the Jews would find God's grace before the New Testament, they're already guaranteed a spot in heaven, right Chess? They believed, before it became fashionable.

[BoogyMan]

If the new covenant is "new" and "better," why did God make a faulty one the first time?

You are so much fun pirate. Why must the first be faulty if another is given that completes God's will?


Let's play a game.

What's the opposite of the word "better?"


No games necessary pirate. So, anything that is easier for man means that its predecessor must have been faulty? HOGWASH!

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no lily, not all Jews are automatically Heavenly bound.
2. It don't work that way.
3. They have to do there best to obey the Jewish Laws, but to perfection was always impossible, but they were able to have sacrifice to clean themselves of sin.
4. I am not sure how its done now, but it is done someway I am sure.
5. Gawd Amended The Old, didn't abolish it, created the Amendment to have consideration for the heatherns, Gentiles, and even the Ishmaelites. (Arab decent)
6. Yes some Ishmaelites have come to know Gawd, through this Amendment, which involves the coming of Jesus Christ, The Lord.
7. Jesus Christ, The Lord, is the Living Amendment, to the Old Covenant.
8. That's where the New Testament was founded on, The Living Amendment Jesus Christ, The Living Bible.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no lily, not all Jews are automatically Heavenly bound.
2. It don't work that way.
3. They have to do there best to obey the Jewish Laws, but to perfection was always impossible, but they were able to have sacrifice to clean themselves of sin.
4. I am not sure how its done now, but it is done someway I am sure.
Covenant.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


How can you be sure, if you just said you don't know?

[NortheastCynic]

This is not meant as sarcasm, I'm genuinely curious [I don't know why], but in what way, Chesswarsnow are you a "highly trained Bible Advisor"?

-NC

[BoogyMan]

5. Gawd Amended The Old, didn't abolish it, created the Amendment to have consideration for the heatherns, Gentiles, and even the Ishmaelites. (Arab decent)

Chess, I would invite you to read the book of Romans and then come back here and tell me how the old law is still in effect.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But NEC, mind your own business bud.
2. Some things shouldn't be revealed.
3. Nice try thou.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it is and it isn't.
2. If your a Jew, it is.
3. If your not a Jew it isn't.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Show me some scripture to backup your position Chess. I can show you scripture to support the position that I have taken on this matter. Consider Rom 1:16.

Since I doubt you would look it up I will post it here.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

I eagerly await your scripture based response. :)

[NortheastCynic]

But NEC, mind your own business bud.
Mind my own business?Â*Â*You proclaim you're supposed expertise in almost every religious debate, it is p