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preservanation
08-26-2008, 01:46 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12782.html

Tensions boil between Obama-Clinton camps
By JOHN F. HARRIS & MIKE ALLEN | 8/25/08 4:04 PM EST Updated: 8/25/08 4:04 PM EST



Behind the public face of unity, tensions are boiling and both sides are trading not-for-attribution barbs.

DENVER — As Democrats arrived here Sunday for a convention intended to promote party unity, mistrust and resentments continued to boil among top associates of presumptive nominee Barack Obama and his defeated rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

One flashpoint is the assigned speech topic for former president Bill Clinton, who is scheduled to speak Wednesday night, when the convention theme is “Securing America’s Future.” The night’s speakers will argue that Obama would be a more effective commander in chief than his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.).

The former president is disappointed, associates said, because he is eager to speak about the economy and more broadly about Democratic ideas — emphasizing the contrast between the Bush years and his own record in the 1990s.

This is an especially sore point for Bill Clinton, people close to him say, because among many grievances he has about the campaign Obama waged against his wife is a belief that the candidate poor-mouthed the political and policy successes of his two terms.

Some senior Democrats close to Obama, meanwhile, made clear in not-for-attribution comments that they were equally irked at the Clinton operation. Nearly three months after Hillary Clinton conceded defeat in the nomination contest, these Obama partisans complained, her team continues to act like she and Bill Clinton hold leverage.

After a period earlier this month when the two sides were working collegially over strategy, scheduling, and other convention logistics, things turned scratchy again in recent days.


Some senior Obama supporters are irritated at how they perceive the Clintons fanned — or at a minimum failed to douse — stories that she was not even vetted as a possible vice presidential nominee. This is because she told Obama she preferred not to go through the rigorous process of document production unless she was really a serious contender, an Obama associate noted.

One senior Obama supporter said the Clinton associates negotiating on her behalf act like “Japanese soldiers in the South Pacific still fighting after the war is over.”

A prominent Obama backer said some of Clinton’s lieutentants negotiating with the Obama team are “bitter enders” who presume that, rather than the Clintons reconciling themselves to Obama’s victory, it is up to Obama to accommodate them.

In fact, some senior veterans of Clinton’s presidential campaign do believe this.

“He has not fully reconciled,” said one political operative close to the Clintons, “and he has not demonstrated that he accepts the Clintons and the Clinton wing of the party.”

While the Clintons have a relatively easy job in Denver — to deliver gracious speeches and accept what are likely to be loud cheers from their supporters — it is “Obama who has the heavy lifting” this week, this aide said.

This is because large numbers of Clinton backers — 30 percent in a recent ABC/Washington Post poll — are still not backing Obama over McCain.

The peevishness on both sides and the volume of behind-the-scenes catcalls are noteworthy because both the Clinton and Obama teams had resolved in pre-convention talks that it was overwhelmingly in the interests of both sides to get along.

Both Obama and Clinton associates have said for weeks that one of the challenges of Denver would be to control the news media narrative, in a city full of reporters and political sources, at an emotional moment for both the Obama and Clinton teams.

Several hours after this story was first published, Obama strategist David Axelrod and Clinton senior adviser Maggie Williams, issued a joint statement. It did not address the reportedly bruised feelings over Bill Clinton's speaking assignment, but said:

"We understand that some in the news media are more interested in reporting the rumor of controversy than the fact of unity. The fact is that our teams are working closely to ensure a successful convention and will continue to do so. Senator and President Clinton fully support the Obama/Biden ticket and look forward to addressing the convention and the nation on the urgency of victory this Fall. Anyone saying anything else doesn't know what they're talking about. Period."
I saw some of the "unity" outside the convention last night, coming together standing toe to toe, shouting epithets and sharing family vacation photos.
Good thing the barricades were there or they would have chewed each others' noses off.
Any more unity and the authorities will be forced to pepper spray them again.

BoogyMan
08-26-2008, 01:48 PM
LOL, unity can really mess you up!

preservanation
08-26-2008, 01:51 PM
I don't know if I trust those poll numbers about how many Hillary supporters will either not vote or vote for McCain...but even if they're half accurate it spells trouble.

Mouth Full Of Teeth
08-26-2008, 02:10 PM
The press seems to be really looking for something...that's for sure. It would make good news.

AnnEsthesia
08-26-2008, 02:21 PM
A big to-do about nothing. I do not know any democrats who would vote for McCain. Perhaps you are talking about Republican women who were supporting Clinton and now going back to their own party.

preservanation
08-26-2008, 02:33 PM
Not only all the other stuff, but picking Biden was incredibly disrespectful to Hillary Clinton.
Biden's campaign platform was identical to her's as well as his voting record on the war (Obama's main attack on Hillary).
Not only did he pick her political clone, but didn't have the decency to even consider her for VP or bother to vett her.

This is obviously personally driven.
It was an obvious slap in the face to Hillary Clinton...actually more like a pinch on the fanny and a reminder to redirect her attention to her knitting and leave the men alone.

Mouth Full Of Teeth
08-26-2008, 06:34 PM
Sorry, I find this whole thread extremely diningenuous.

You don't care what is "incredibly disrespectful to Hillary Clinton" except insofar as it would hurt Obama in some way. And you're trying to portray sexism where there isn't any. This is just another attempt at a very partisan attack.

Let me know how it works out for you...

Osborn F. Enready
08-26-2008, 06:54 PM
MFT said:
The press seems to be really looking for something...that's for sure. It would make good news.

They are looking for ratings, for sheeple support and for anything but truth it appears.

-Instead of pointing out how both major party candidates policies will lead us to financial ruin, they are building up the drama and the petty partisan propaganda as if it was news.
-Instead of adddressing how the candidates really want to address the REAL problems, they are asking what will keep people from switching the channel to American Idol, Oprah or the latest reality show fad.

But hey, lets regurgitate the propaganda.... nobody can call us ignorant if we refuse to learn the facts......or can they?

Mouth Full Of Teeth
08-26-2008, 07:20 PM
I don't know...I didn't vote for GWB...twice.

AnnEsthesia
08-26-2008, 07:22 PM
Sorry, I find this whole thread extremely diningenuous.

You don't care what is "incredibly disrespectful to Hillary Clinton" except insofar as it would hurt Obama in some way. And you're trying to portray sexism where there isn't any. This is just another attempt at a very partisan attack.

Let me know how it works out for you...

Yep. Nailed it. They could care less.. but now suddenly they are all up in arms. rofl

Osborn F. Enready
08-26-2008, 07:51 PM
MFT said:
I don't know...I didn't vote for GWB...twice.

Nor did I, what was your point?

I hope your point was that one of the major parties is more "honorable", has more "integrity" or is more "law abiding" than the other.....that would simply be false.

Buck Laser
08-26-2008, 07:56 PM
Stir that shit, Preserv!