Imagine China attacking the US to steal its oil

[Dawkinsrocks]

Suppose China decided that it wanted what oil was left in the US.
Imagine them starting to claim that the US has WMD and that it is run by a religious zealot who presides over human rights abuses such as torture, execution, imprisonment without trial and extreme aggression in foreign policy.

Imagine then that China went to the UN to support it in attacking the US if it did not do as it was told.
Imagine the UN being horrified and refusing to support such an action but China ignoring this and executing the biggest carpet bombing campaign in history on the US. Dropping depleted Uranimun warheads all over the country burning hundreds of thousands of women and children and giving cancer to surviving generations.
Imagine this going on for a few years until the Chinese put a puppet Government in place and then start preaching to countries around the world how bad they are for invading other countries

When you look at like that don't you think that everyone in the US should be ashamed of what its Government does around the world and demand change?

[DamnYankee]

Suppose China decided that it wanted what oil was left in the US.
Imagine them starting to claim that the US has WMD and that it is run by a religious zealot who presides over human rights abuses such as torture, execution, imprisonment without trial and extreme aggression in foreign policy.

These claims have already been made by the leftist kook fringe.

Imagine then that China went to the UN to support it in attacking the US if it did not do as it was told.

Imagine if the US Gov't cut funding to the UN and evicted that worthless gaggle of socialists out of the country.

Imagine the UN being horrified and refusing to support such an action but China ignoring this and executing the biggest carpet bombing campaign in history on the US.

The ChiComs couldn't even scare up a couple of junks to help with the tsunami relief. How in sam hell could they "carpet" bomb the US?

[Defensor]

DamnYankee won't even address the hypothetical in the OP. Of course it would never happen considering Red China is liberalizing while the U.S.A. is socializing.

[PostmodernProphet]

Suppose China decided that it wanted what oil was left in the US.
Imagine them starting to claim that the US has WMD and that it is run by a religious zealot who presides over human rights abuses such as torture, execution, imprisonment without trial and extreme aggression in foreign policy.

Imagine then that China went to the UN to support it in attacking the US if it did not do as it was told.
Imagine the UN being horrified and refusing to support such an action but China ignoring this and executing the biggest carpet bombing campaign in history on the US. Dropping depleted Uranimun warheads all over the country burning hundreds of thousands of women and children and giving cancer to surviving generations.
Imagine this going on for a few years until the Chinese put a puppet Government in place and then start preaching to countries around the world how bad they are for invading other countries

When you look at like that don't you think that everyone in the US should be ashamed of what its Government does around the world and demand change?
Dude, you forgot a few elements of your analogy......you missed the fact that years earlier the US had invaded Canada, but that a world wide coalition had thrown us out.....that we had entered into a cease fire agreement in which we had agreed to destroy our WMD......that we had refused to do so, despite increasing pressure from the UN....I could say that apart from that your analogy is spot on, but then I would be lying....in actuality, it sucks.....

[Defensor]

Dude, you forgot a few elements of your analogy......you missed the fact that years earlier the US had invaded Canada,
And the fact that China itself had assured the U.S. it would have no objection to it "claiming its prize" in Canada..

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2005/1011-SecretWar.html

that we had entered into a cease fire agreement in which we had agreed to destroy our WMD......that we had refused to do so, despite increasing pressure from the UN....
There were NO WMDs. Sorry to tell you.

[IndieVisible]

Suppose China decided that it wanted what oil was left in the US.
Imagine them starting to claim that the US has WMD and that it is run by a religious zealot who presides over human rights abuses such as torture, execution, imprisonment without trial and extreme aggression in foreign policy.

Imagine then that China went to the UN to support it in attacking the US if it did not do as it was told.
Imagine the UN being horrified and refusing to support such an action but China ignoring this and executing the biggest carpet bombing campaign in history on the US. Dropping depleted Uranimun warheads all over the country burning hundreds of thousands of women and children and giving cancer to surviving generations.
Imagine this going on for a few years until the Chinese put a puppet Government in place and then start preaching to countries around the world how bad they are for invading other countries

When you look at like that don't you think that everyone in the US should be ashamed of what its Government does around the world and demand change?

How can I put this without offending any one or getting a infracture?

Let me be honest and hope for the best.

This is the dumbest hypothetical question I ever read. Bad example.

[Defensor]

How can I put this without offending any one or getting a infracture?

Let me be honest and hope for the best.

This is the dumbest hypothetical question I ever read. Bad example.
It's a good analogy, and the fact that you can't come up with a single reason to back up your opinion pretty much proves it.

[IndieVisible]

I don't play stupid games. I don't mind debating things that make sense, but this is fairy tale land! :lmao:

[AlanC]

Any discussion with so many what ifs in it has the crediblity of discussing what if there really are little green men on Mars.

Its called a waste of time and effort because it has no relation to any known reality.

As the saying goes:

Never argue with morons, they will drag you down to their level and beat you to death with experience.

[Osborn F. Enready]

AN even better analogy would be to imagine China coming in to the United States with its military, using force, to overthrow the current government, claiming its a dictatorship.... and then ask yourself what you would do in return?

=Would you comply or fight back?
=Would you form and army and fight on a battlefield, or fight as an urban guerilla?
=Would you wear a uniform and badges to announce what side you were on as enemy troops patrolled your streets, or would you attempt to blend in?
=Would you use explosives to disarm or cripple enemy vehicles and troops, with possible risk to surrounding innocents, or would you just attempt to hold out until the mechanical and numerical superiority of the enemy crushed you?

I think most people would act just like many did in Iraq..... they would fight back, if for no other reason, because they couldn't trust the new attackers any more than the old defenders.

[Wndrtch]

Suppose China decided that it wanted what oil was left in the US.
Imagine them starting to claim that the US has WMD and that it is run by a religious zealot who presides over human rights abuses such as torture, execution, imprisonment without trial and extreme aggression in foreign policy.

Imagine then that China went to the UN to support it in attacking the US if it did not do as it was told.
Imagine the UN being horrified and refusing to support such an action but China ignoring this and executing the biggest carpet bombing campaign in history on the US. Dropping depleted Uranimun warheads all over the country burning hundreds of thousands of women and children and giving cancer to surviving generations.
Imagine this going on for a few years until the Chinese put a puppet Government in place and then start preaching to countries around the world how bad they are for invading other countries

When you look at like that don't you think that everyone in the US should be ashamed of what its Government does around the world and demand change?

Only if your "World" is a place called "Utopia".

First off, China likes our money, much more than it wants our oil.

Second, China knows that a US response to "carpet-bombing" would be about 50Megatons in Bejing to start. For the first time ever, the Man-made Global warming alarmists would be right, because we would raise the Earths temps 40Deg from all the nukes dropped on China. China's missle can barely get into orbit, and they know it.

Third, everybody already knows we have WMD's, and the best ones.

Fourth, nobody seems to mind that we have WMD's given that the UN comes crying to the US everytime they decided they need to be tough somewhere.

Fifth, if you are trying to claim that the Iraqi Government is just a "puppet" for the US, then how come they haven't done what we want them to do?

Sixth, when did we kill 3,000 Chinese?

Seventh, have you ever heard of "Tactical advantage"? Iraq is a tactical and strategic country with respect to fighting terrorism, because it is the most central nation in the ME region. It's the easiest place to get to, and conduct operation from, if dealing with a ME problem.

[brien]

China doesn't have to invade the US to get oil near the US borders. Witness the Cuban leases China will begin to drill in the Straits of Forida as soon as it can develop the rigs. The US Congress is so stupid they kow tow to the enviornmentalists who restrict the US from the same oil reserves while China plans to harvest that same oil. I can't wait for the first spill that fouls the beaches in Key West and Miami. Who will they blame then? How will the state of Florida force the Chinese to clean up its beaches? Tattle tale on them to Raoul? Ha, they are enviornmental fools and now 70% of Americans see it and demand that oil leases off the coast of Florida be opened up for new US drilling.

The US is defeating itself by not drilling every oil supply that is proven to contain crude and the foreigners know it. They don't need to invade the US and risk bloodshed and world condemnation. All they have to do is sit back and watch the US self destruct by allowing a minority of extemists dominate the US Congress when it comes to drilling for oil in the US.

[PostmodernProphet]

The image of China doing this is exactly what the US has done to Iraq.



only if you ignore what the US really did in Iraq and substitute your imaginings in it's place.....

[Dawkinsrocks]

My word, Fox news has really got to you.

[PostmodernProphet]

/shrugs....and your ignorance has gotten the best of you.....

[Easy90]

I love the way lefties "think." First, they live in a world of total make-believe....then they tell you to "imagine" some extrapolation of their fantasy world, but first, you must accept their faulty premises....then they try to argue with you about it....as if you've accepted ANY of what they think as reality. You have to wonder how they rationalize what little reality they have to accept, with their delusions.

Pres is correct. Debating with them is a total waste of time, as you lower yourself into discussions of rhetoric that are based on totally false premises. To waste your time in so doing gives them credence, which is what they want to begin with. Example: "Oh, so in your world the US has not executed the largest carpet bombing campaign in history on Iraq." Obviously, the Leftie has no concept of history...or doesn't know what "carpet bombing" is.

[ilikegw]

Ok, we went there to steal oil... where is the damn oil then!?!?

Will we get it before winter? I don't feel like paying $460 per 100 gallons (less than half a tank) of heating oil.

[PostmodernProphet]

Oh, so in your world the US has not executed the largest carpet bombing campaign in history on Iraq.
It has not killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis with its depleted Uranium warheads that will give cancer to many generations to come.
It has not appointed a puppet Government.
It dod not secure the Oil ministry alone on arrival leaving all the others to be looted and destroyed.


excellent progress.....you got all those 100% correct....see, reading the posts on this board IS beneficial to your intelligence level.....

[Dawkinsrocks]

Black is white

[PostmodernProphet]

It has killed far more people than Saddam Hussein did and it only did it to steal the oil.


doh'.....and then you go right back to saying stupid shit.....just when I had such high hopes for you......

[Dawkinsrocks]

Actually to be fair to you you live in a country that is not very good at reality.

You live in a nation that ran adverts saying smoking is good for you.
You live in a country that portrayed the genocide of the native Americans as an infringement on the good ol cowboy.
You live in a nation that got told there was WMD in Iraq.
You live in a country where the alleged acts of a Saudi were used as another reason to attack Iraq.
You live in a country where your film industry has to distort history to make the Americans sound great like in the discovery of the Enigma code machine in WW2 which was actually made by the Brits.

I could go on.

But it is clear that most Americans are so blinded to reality by years of propaganda that I suppose it is naive of me to think you might acknowledge what is really happening in Iraq.

[PostmodernProphet]

Actually to be fair to you you live in a country that is not very good at reality.

You live in a nation that ran adverts saying smoking is good for you.
You live in a country that portrayed the genocide of the native Americans as an infringement on the good ol cowboy.
You live in a nation that got told there was WMD in Iraq.
You live in a country where the alleged acts of a Saudi were used as another reason to attack Iraq.
You live in a country where your film industry has to distort history to make the Americans sound great like in the discovery of the Enigma code machine in WW2 which was actually made by the Brits.

I could go on.

But it is clear that most Americans are so blinded to reality by years of propaganda that I suppose it is naive of me to think you might acknowledge what is really happening in Iraq.

lol, more than half of those things I have never heard ....but I will acknowledge your naiveté ......

[Dawkinsrocks]

Oh, you never heard them??

Well they can't be true then can they????

[PostmodernProphet]

Oh, you never heard them??

Well they can't be true then can they????

I don't know....you got a link to somebody advertising smoking as good for you?.......I KNOW you don't have a link for "no WMD", since every one knows how many there were....the only thing missing is evidence of when Saddam destroyed them or that he did......

[Dawkinsrocks]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d6_1190325016

[Wndrtch]

Wndrtch

You have completely missed the point.

The image of China doing this is exactly what the US has done to Iraq.

The analogy would have been better if the US had already given up its WMD because the US doesn't like attacking countries that have a realistic chance of fighting back.

But if a country has oil and it can be stolen with just a few thousand American deaths that is a good equation.

If you have swallowed this war on terror nonesense you are a buffoon.

The US has killed millions more innocent people than all the world's terrorists combined and in terms of which countries have suffered the worst terrorism on their own soil the US is near the bottom of the list.

The whole war on terror is as much a con as the cold war was. It is all designed to get idiots like you giving you tax dollars towards a massive spending on arms.

Now you can go back to shouting USA USA and talk about kicking ass and all that other numbskull glorification of war you engage in.

You probably wouldn't though if you were watching your family burning to death in a bombing raid.

We DID watch 3,000 people burn to death. We watched as planes crashed into our tallest buildings, and erupt into a ball of Hell. We also watched them jump from 70 stories. We watched as broken bodies were pulled from the debris. We watched as the wall of the missing grew in those first days.

Your "point" is that American invaded Iraq for oil (even though we haven't gotten any, :grrrr:), and how would we like it if it happened to us. "Facts" are irrelevent to you, because you just want to find fault with those "We The People" hired and voted for to protect us (which they have). You exemplify my sig-line to a tee.

Any chance you attend Trinnity Church? Rev Wright would be proud.

[Wndrtch]

My word, Fox news has really got to you.

And Al Franken really got to you.

[Dawkinsrocks]

BTW was it twin towers, wmd, regime change or whatever they thought up next???

You are sooo stupid that you are happy for your Government to go to war murdering hundreds of thousands of women and children on a lie and you don't care.

That is very scary,

[Dawkinsrocks]

Oh so if I select an example from the 50s that you thought I couldn't supply at all it is not valid because it is a few decades old??

You really do have some convenient arguments don't you?

It is a valid example of how maleable the US population is and how gullible they are.

That is why you believe your nation is doing good when really it is burning women and children in their thousands to steal oil.

You don't like it because it does not fit your apple pie view of USA USA but as with all the other examples I gave it does not stop it from being true.

[brien]

Actually to be fair to you you live in a country that is not very good at reality.

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You live in a country where your film industry has to distort history to make the Americans sound great like in the discovery of the Enigma code machine in WW2 which was actually made by the Brits.

I could go on.

But it is clear that most Americans are so blinded to reality by years of propaganda that I suppose it is naive of me to think you might acknowledge what is really happening in Iraq.

Talk about being blind to reality and history. If it wasn't for the US, the Brits would be speaking German, along with the French and most other European nations. There would be no Jews in Europe at all. It is becomming clear to some in the US, the sooner the US leaves Europe and England to solve it own political problems, the better off the US will be here. No good deed ever goes unpunished.

Let's see you guys take on the newly created Russia as they continue their expansion of influence over other Democratic European countries they gave up upon the Soviet collapse. The French did a great job brokering the current peace between Georgia and Russia. Sure....we will see how long that one will last. The Russians haven't even honored their commitment to completely withdraw from the pre August 6th positions as they have agreed to on Sunday.

When Russia invades Eastonia and Latvia, both NATO members btw, what you will ever do? After they get their ass kicked, and Russia turns on Poland, what do you plan to do? Send in Sarkosy again? Russia will dominate Europe and we will see how you like them telling you what to do there comrade. NO "Lend Lease" from the US this time. No US troops to support NATO. No economic support from the US. You guys do it all by yourselves while we sit and watch for the results. I can't wait.

If you hate the US, then go fuck off and throw away our telephone number when the Russian bear comes howling outside your door mister, because we don't need you people and according to you, you certainly don't need us. Have a good time there, mate...

We may be blind to history according to your view, but we certainly won't be blind to what will happen to Europe should the US pull out of NATO and not offer any military or economic support when the bear shits upon your head.

You people who hate the US never cease to amuse me because it is we who will have the last laugh.

[AlanC]

Actually to be fair to you you live in a country that is not very good at reality.

You live in a nation that ran adverts saying smoking is good for you.

Actually, no. Ads used to portray smoking as being cool, socially enhancing or just pleasurable, all of which were true at one time, but never that it was "good for you."


You live in a country that portrayed the genocide of the native Americans as an infringement on the good ol cowboy.

This is not ture either. Has the conflicts between cultures ever recieved true historical balance in its presentation? Seldom. And that is still the case. However your phrasing has never been part of the picture, that it was "an infringment on the good ol cowboy".

You live in a nation that got told there was WMD in Iraq.

There were.

You live in a country where the alleged acts of a Saudi were used as another reason to attack Iraq.

Ah no, the acts of any Saudi were never given as a reason to invade Iraq. That one makes you quite delusional if you believe it.

You live in a country where your film industry has to distort history to make the Americans sound great like in the discovery of the Enigma code machine in WW2 which was actually made by the Brits.

Please name any movie that made such a presentation. It doesn't exist.

I think I see your problem. Are you one of those that is still mad about that whole revolution thing? Sorry to have started the break up of the British Empire, but it just wasn't working out for us. You really should learn to deal more effectively with your own emotions and not let them get in the way of your critical thinking so much.

[DamnYankee]

This is what happens when foreigners rely on TV and a steady diet of anti-Americanisms.