The Democratic Party Called Me Today [Archive]

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 09:46 PM

So, I get a call today from the Democratic party asking who I was going to vote for. My initial answer was; "I'm not sure if I will be voting McCain or writing in a 3rd party candidate." What came next was the shocking part. The lady who had called was obviously an African American and she said to me; "So, do you think your neighbors would have a problem voting for an African American candidate?"

"Excuse me?" I said. "Are you insinuating I am not voting for Obama because of his skin color?"

The lady responded; "well, we are finding that is the primary reason people won't vote for Obama."

I just lost it at that point and gave this bitch a lecture.

"Ma'am, let me tell you something. Do you know the definition of irony?"

"Huh?" came her reply.

"The definition of irony is how racist it is of you to assume that people only refuse to vote Obama because of his skin color. I guess you have never heard of people opposed to his socialism, his hatred of the wealthy, his whopping 160 or so days of Senatorial experience, his complete lack of a strategic and viable energy plan?"

Her only response was, "Democrats aren't racists" and then the bitch hung up.

My god the Democrats are sinking low.

I wrote an email to the Democratic party about the call, but I am sure it was a waste of my time.

You know, the Democrats aren't very smart turning the indifferent into people that actually hate them and want to see them lose for no other reason than the pure satisfaction of it. Un Fucking Real.

Stoner

08-13-2008, 09:51 PM

This is typical lib behavior. Best thing to do is not vote for them. That rings louder than any email you can send them.

potter

08-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Milton Bradley

08-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Good for you.

I'm still waiting for my call.

Trish

08-13-2008, 09:55 PM

I don't really think the question was off the mark. I seem to recall a poll done that revealed a good percentage of white Americans would not vote for Obama simply because he was black.

Given the racist nature of our society, yea...I can see it.

Ahhhhhhhhh, so then it wouldn't be racist to also suggest that since a good percentage of black Americans commit crimes all black Americans are criminals? Of course it would!

Stereotyping an entire group of people based on the behavior of a "good percentage" of that group - even if the group is white American voters - is racist.

Shoey

08-13-2008, 09:56 PM

Obama will not take the White House if HIS supporters continue to play the race card! :mad:

JACKSONVILLE, Florida (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama said on Friday he expects Republicans to highlight the fact that he is black as part of an effort to make voters afraid of him.

"They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. >And did I mention he's black?"<
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2040982720080620?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP-wnyIh6Fg&feature=related

potter

08-13-2008, 10:01 PM

Ahhhhhhhhh, so then it wouldn't be racist to also suggest that since a good percentage of black Americans commit crimes all black Americans are criminals? Of course it would!

Stereotyping an entire group of people based on the behavior of a "good percentage" of that group - even if the group is white American voters - is racist.

You're comparing voting behaviour to comitting crimes? :dizzy:

Would it be racist if she had asked a black person if they were voting for Obama because he was black?

Its just a freaking question.

For all the stereotyping white folks do they sure get their panties in a bunch when it's done to them....
:drool:

I really don't see the problem in asking a question.

ilikegw

08-13-2008, 10:05 PM

Obama is a jackass. WHEN he loses he'll be all over the news crying that people didn't vote for him because he's black. I'm sure he'll go Gore on his and demand a recount.

Trish

08-13-2008, 10:06 PM

You're comparing voting behaviour to comitting crimes? :dizzy:

Would it be racist if she had asked a black person if they were voting for Obama because he was black?

Its just a freaking question.

For all the stereotyping white folks do they sure get their panties in a bunch when it's done to them....
:drool:

I really don't see the problem in asking a question.

No, I'm comparing racist attitudes and mindsets. People can't have it both ways. If stereotyping an entire group of people by the behavior of a "good percentage" of that group is racist and unacceptable in one context for that one group, it's just as racist and unacceptable in other contexts applied to other groups. That's ALL I'm saying.

So if white people need to unbunch their panties regarding stereotyping, so does everyone else. Panty bunching isn't limited to one group.

ilikegw

08-13-2008, 10:06 PM

Stoner

08-13-2008, 10:08 PM

This is all pretty mute because Obama has already lost the election. It's just a matter of time. McCain will be your next POTUS.

Shoey

08-13-2008, 10:08 PM

Obama is a jackass. WHEN he loses he'll be all over the news crying that people didn't vote for him because he's black. I'm sure he'll go Gore on his and demand a recount.

I lost all respect for Obama when he literally accused Republican white voters "fear me because I'm black" :unreal: That would be the equivalent of McCain telling Democratic black voters "fear me I'm white"

Elrathin

08-13-2008, 10:10 PM

Ahhhhhhhhh, so then it wouldn't be racist to also suggest that since a good percentage of black Americans commit crimes all black Americans are criminals? Of course it would!

Yes, but where was this woman accusing EVERYONE of not voting for Obama because he is black? She asked the question and then said that seems to be the primary reason MOST (not all ) don't vote for Obama.

So now ASKING someone if they aren't voting for Obama because he is black is racist?

ilikegw

08-13-2008, 10:11 PM

That little twerp doesn't scare me in the least. Being afraid of someone because they're black is as ridiculous of being afraid of someone who's gay.

Elrathin

08-13-2008, 10:12 PM

This is all pretty mute because Obama has already lost the election. It's just a matter of time. McCain will be your next POTUS.

I'll be sure to send you the tissues and a good psychiatrist in case you need to deal with ODS if Obama becomes President.

Shoey

08-13-2008, 10:13 PM

El,
Reverse psychology, if a McCain supporter called you on the phone and ask you "will you be voting for McCain" and you answered no and the supporter ask "is it because he's white????

Elrathin

08-13-2008, 10:16 PM

El,
Reverse psychology, if a McCain supporter called you on the phone and ask you "will you be voting for McCain" and you answered no and the supporter ask "is it because he's white????

It's still not racist to ask a question.

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 10:17 PM

I'll be sure to send you the tissues and a good psychiatrist in case you need to deal with ODS if Obama becomes President.

If a moderator can play this game then I guess I can too.

I'll be stocking up on razor blades which I will be handing out for free to liberals when Obama loses this election. It's not that I like McCain because I really don't (he's basically the Devil I know vs the one I don't). It's just Obama's supporters are so much more annoying. At least most McCain supporters are smart enough keep their ignorance hidden, but Obamaniacs actually revel in flaunting it.

Trish

08-13-2008, 10:17 PM

Yes, but where was this woman accusing EVERYONE of not voting for Obama because he is black? She asked the question and then said that seems to be the primary reason MOST (not all ) don't vote for Obama.

So now ASKING someone if they aren't voting for Obama because he is black is racist?

El, I wasn't privy to the conversation itself. Judging from Libre's post, he was very clear that the caller was implying HE was not voting for Obama due to race. THAT is racist. No matter what percentage of white voters may in fact not vote for Obama due to race, to automatically assume that Libre or his neighbors are first of all white and second are not voting for Obama due to race is racist. That's the irony Libre tried to indicate.

potter

08-13-2008, 10:19 PM

No, I'm comparing racist attitudes and mindsets. People can't have it both ways. If stereotyping an entire group of people by the behavior of a "good percentage" of that group is racist and unacceptable in one context for that one group, it's just as racist and unacceptable in other contexts applied to other groups. That's ALL I'm saying.

So if white people need to unbunch their panties regarding stereotyping, so does everyone else. Panty bunching isn't limited to one group.

:ponder::clapper:

I think the assumption that every referrence to race is "racist" is perhaps going too far and that perhaps you are right, unless the intent is hatefull or unkind people need to get a thicker skin. For me as a white person to feel like I'm racist for even using the term "Black" or "Chinese" or whatever as a descriptive makes me think we've taken things a bit to far. (IE: What did them man look like? ) And I don't think asking people if they would vote for or against someone because of their skin color is in itself a racist question. Did the pollster ask librex what color he was before asking the question? If not, how was that stereotyping?

As example, the spanish basketball team, different culture, different values, we here assume they were being racist and were making fun of the chinese, but for all we know they were honoring them in their own way. I think intent is important. I don't the the Demo question was intended to be racist, but to gain a legitimate feel for how the voting will fall in the real world.

Now perhaps what would be racist or stereotyping is how librex detrermined the woman on the phone was black by the way she talked.....

potter

08-13-2008, 10:20 PM

I lost all respect for Obama when he literally accused Republican white voters "fear me because I'm black" :unreal: That would be the equivalent of McCain telling Democratic black voters "fear me I'm white"

Can you link me to this quote?

Shoey

08-13-2008, 10:24 PM

It's still not racist to ask a question.

It's inappropriate to ask that question to a American voter! I know damn well if McCain supporters were calling American voters on the phone to gain more votes and they make stupid remarks like "you're not voting for McCain because he's white"??? The hypocrisy of the Liberal Left sometimes makes me wanna scream.

Elrathin

08-13-2008, 10:25 PM

You're right Shoey, INAPPROPRIATE, but not racist.

Shoey

08-13-2008, 10:25 PM

Can you link me to this quote?

You deny Obama is guilty of playing the race card against Republican voters????

Blueneck

08-13-2008, 10:26 PM

I get it. Anytime the subject of race comes up, it's just Obama trying to intimidate whites into a guilt vote. Makes perfect sense seeing as there are no real racists in the US.

American law enforcement agencies have expressed fear that US presidential candidate Barack Obama will be the target of a violent attack by white supremacists at the Democratic convention in Denver this month.

According to a report in the Scotsman, the concern for Obama's security is because of racist threats made against him by neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan and similar groups, since he emerged as the likely Democratic presidential candidate.

Nothing to worry about, just a card that's being played...

Meanwhile, websites and blogs have also been buzzing with racist posts.

"Obama will die, KKK forever," said a post by "Rodney" on a blog run by a person identified only as Strider333. "The KKK or someone WILL assassinate Obama! If we get a N***** President all you N*****'s (sic] will think you've won and that the WHITE people will have to bow to you F*** THAT," he added.

"People on these racist and white supremacist websites are being quite careful because they know that if they make a threat they will very likely get a visit from the Secret Service," said Mark Potok, an expert on the radical right at the Southern Poverty Law enter in Montgomery, Alabama. "The scary thing out there is the lone wolf phenomenon. There are enough crazy people in this movement that it is possible one of them will decide today is the day to kick off the Aryan revolution," he added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/USA/Obama_may_be_target_of_racist_attacks/articleshow/3353622.cms

potter

08-13-2008, 10:30 PM

You deny Obama is guilty of playing the race card against Republican voters????

No. However I haven't seen where Obama personally has done this..... I'm asking for a link to where he literally said "fear me because I'm black"

I cannot find it.....

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 10:33 PM

No. However I haven't seen where Obama personally has done this..... I'm asking for a link to where he literally said "fear me because I'm black"

I cannot find it.....

No, he said Republicans will try and make people fear him because he's black. He basically preemptively called them racists before they had done anything. You would have to be intentionally ignorant or simply irrational to not see the problem with that.

Shoey

08-13-2008, 10:35 PM

Trish

08-13-2008, 11:02 PM

I get it. Anytime the subject of race comes up, it's just Obama trying to intimidate whites into a guilt vote. Makes perfect sense seeing as there are no real racists in the US.

Nothing to worry about, just a card that's being played...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/USA/Obama_may_be_target_of_racist_attacks/articleshow/3353622.cms

No one that I have seen has denied that racism exists. No one that I have seen has attempted to even suggest that racism is appropriate or acceptable. Not everything is related to race, however. Attempting to MAKE everything about race even when race as nothing to do with it - like suggesting that the only reason a white person wouldn't vote for Obama is becauses he's black - is just as unacceptable and inappropriate. THAT's the whole point of the thread - the irony of the call Libre received - to suggest that racism is a factor while one is being racist one's self.

potter

08-13-2008, 11:04 PM

No, he said Republicans will try and make people fear him because he's black. He basically preemptively called them racists before they had done anything. You would have to be intentionally ignorant or simply irrational to not see the problem with that.

OK, I remember him saying that....and I have to say that's quite a bit different than Obama literally saying "fear me because I'm black"

I can see your point, however lets hope thou doest not protest too much.....the fat lady has not yet sung, and some attack ads have come pretty close to doing just that.

Look at how many people are convinced he's Muslim because of republican sponsored attack ads?

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 11:08 PM

OK, I remember him saying that....and I have to say that's quite a bit different than Obama literally saying "fear me because I'm black"

I can see your point, however lets hope thou doest not protest too much.....the fat lady has not yet sung, and some attack ads have come pretty close to doing just that.

Look at how many people are convinced he's Muslim because of republican sponsored attack ads?

Can you show me a Republican sponsored TV ad that claimed he was a Muslim?

ilikegw

08-13-2008, 11:25 PM

I was going to ask the same thing. I think Obama is the one who made the claim about his being Muslim "once upon a time".

Stoner

08-13-2008, 11:29 PM

Why can't the libbie party call me? I would love to have a conversation with them.

ilikegw

08-13-2008, 11:31 PM

They come to this site (and follow us around the net), they ain't calling any of us.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-13-2008, 11:39 PM

Can you show me a Republican sponsored TV ad that claimed he was a Muslim?

Isn't Faux a Republican sponsored TV ad?

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 11:43 PM

Isn't Faux a Republican sponsored TV ad?

Ok, I'll play your little game. Show me the Fox News Article claiming he was a Muslim. Again, you aren't sitting in the drum circle with other lefties. You are going to have to actually back up your claims when responding to me.

Or maybe the irony of all of these unsubstantiated claims coming from the leftists here in response to a thread about unsubstantiated racism is lost on you?

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-13-2008, 11:44 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/

:thumbsup:

Blueneck

08-13-2008, 11:49 PM

No one that I have seen has denied that racism exists. No one that I have seen has attempted to even suggest that racism is appropriate or acceptable. Not everything is related to race, however. Attempting to MAKE everything about race even when race as nothing to do with it - like suggesting that the only reason a white person wouldn't vote for Obama is becauses he's black - is just as unacceptable and inappropriate. THAT's the whole point of the thread - the irony of the call Libre received - to suggest that racism is a factor while one is being racist one's self.No, I don't agree that is being racist. There is real, actual racism in the US, true racial hate.

I'm sick of Obama and his supporters being accused of being a racist or race baiter, or playing the race card.

Real, honest to God racists don't imply or beat around the bush, they are offensive and blunt and they make scary threats and sometimes even carry them out.

Why doesn't someone start a thread complaining about those people? McCain supporters should be upset as these people as they are actually doing what they feel everyone is hinting around (heaven's no - how offensive) that they are doing. They are making all white people look bad so why not at least acknowledge it?

Why are you all whining about having been maybe kinda sorta called biased when Obama's getting actual death threats from these Stormfront white-supremacist types?

http://niggerobama.com//YaBB.pl?board=nigger

^That is racism. Oddly enough, these people hold standard Republican political opinions and other than being disgustingly racist, you couldn't tell the difference in their political views from your run of the mill Republican.

What was hinted at today to Libre on the phone is not racist. Just a little inappropriate.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-13-2008, 11:50 PM

"So, do you think your neighbors would have a problem voting for an African American candidate?"

The lady responded; "well, we are finding that is the primary reason people won't vote for Obama."

"Primary reason" is ambiguous. Is it the "primary reason" because for everyone who gives a reason it is their first reason among many, or is it the "primary reason" because that is the reason she hears most often when she is given a reason?

As I read it, what she said wasn't racist. Your further analogy doesn't fit.

Having said that, I agree with you that she was being inappropriate. I've had Republican people call me and ask very jaded questions. It's a crap tactic that both sides use.

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 11:50 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/

:thumbsup:

You might want to actually read your links before you post them because I most assuredly will:

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

:thumbsup:

ilikegw

08-13-2008, 11:50 PM

LMAO they always forget that it was Hillary and her peeps that spilled the beans about Obama.

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 11:53 PM

"Primary reason" is ambiguous. Is it the "primary reason" because for everyone who gives a reason it is their first reason among many, or is it the "primary reason" because that is the reason she hears most often when she is given a reason?

As I read it, what she said wasn't racist. Your further analogy doesn't fit.

I didn't give an "analogy" I gave an example of "irony." There is a big difference so you might want to look into that.

As far as your other questions, you'll have to ask her why she made the racist insinuation she did. "Why" someone is a racist doesn't matter so I am not sure what point you believe you are making?

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-13-2008, 11:53 PM

LMAO they always forget that it was Hillary and her peeps that spilled the beans about Obama.

Proof, please.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-13-2008, 11:55 PM

I didn't give an "analogy" I gave an example of "irony."

You're right. You didn't. I got you confused with Trish.

"Ahhhhhhhhh, so then it wouldn't be racist to also suggest that since a good percentage of black Americans commit crimes all black Americans are criminals? Of course it would! "

As far as your other questions, you'll have to ask her why she made the racist insinuation she did. "Why" someone is a racist doesn't matter so I am not sure what point you believe you are making??

Again, I don't believe she was being racist, necessarily. Again, it was an ambiguous statement. And I wasn't asking why.

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 11:56 PM

Proof, please.

You need to go back and prove your own assertions before you have any right to try and distract from the fact you haven't by demanding proof from others.

xLIBREx

08-13-2008, 11:58 PM

You're right. You didn't. I got you confused with Trish.

Ok, I'll let you slide with that excuse.

"Ahhhhhhhhh, so then it wouldn't be racist to also suggest that since a good percentage of black Americans commit crimes all black Americans are criminals? Of course it would! "

Of course that is racist. I'm not sure what point you are addressing by saying that.

Again, I don't believe she was being racist, necessarily. Again, it was an ambiguous statement. And I wasn't asking why.

Ambiguous is when you use "LY" words like you did above.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-14-2008, 12:00 AM

You need to go back and prove your own assertions before you have any right to try and distract from the fact you haven't by demanding proof from others.

What did you need proof of? You asked for an example of Faux making Obama out to be a Muslim. I believe that their smear campaign that falsely claimed that he went to a madrassa (a radical Islamic school), qualified...

It was then the suggestion that this story was planted by Hillary Clinton. I asked for proof.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-14-2008, 12:02 AM

Of course that is racist. I'm not sure what point you are addressing by saying that.

That was the analogy that I referred to...Trish's analogy.

Ambiguous is when you use "LY" words like you did above.

Er...what?

xLIBREx

08-14-2008, 12:03 AM

What did you need proof of? You asked for an example of Faux making Obama out to be a Muslim. I believe that their smear campaign that falsely claimed that he went to a madrassa (a radical Islamic school), qualified...

Again, go back and read your article. The same news report which did not originate on Fox was also repeated on CNN. That's how news work in our 24 hour a day news cycle. I know you probably nearly broke a finger trying to google that, but it would help your cause if you actually read what you were linking too not to mention understanding that everyone repeated that story. I notice you made no mention of Glenn Beck on CNN repeating the story, but then again, you probably didn't read the article.

It was then the suggestion that this story was planted by Hillary Clinton. I asked for proof.

Why don't you worry about proving your assertions first?

xLIBREx

08-14-2008, 12:07 AM

That was the analogy that I referred to...Trish's analogy.

Er...what?

When people use words like "necessarily" (as you did) which end in an "ly" it's an automatic cop out.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-14-2008, 12:10 AM

Again, go back and read your article. The same news report which did not originate on Fox was also repeated on CNN. That's how news work in our 24 hour a day news cycle. I know you probably nearly broke a finger trying to google that, but it would help your cause if you actually read what you were linking too not to mention understanding that everyone repeated that story. I notice you made no mention of Glenn Beck on CNN repeating the story, but then again, you probably didn't read the article.

You're right...the accusation first appeared in Insight...and then was repeated by Faux and put into heavy rotation without their checking the facts. Then CNN actually did do some fact-checking and found the story to be bull.

Two times in a day you corrected me. I'll be more careful in the future.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-14-2008, 12:10 AM

When people use words like "necessarily" (as you did) which end in an "ly" it's an automatic cop out.

Not necessarily.

NIOSA

08-14-2008, 12:27 AM

NIOSA

08-14-2008, 12:30 AM

I don't really think the question was off the mark. I seem to recall a poll done that revealed a good percentage of white Americans would not vote for Obama simply because he was black.

Given the racist nature of our society, yea...I can see it.

I'm not voting for any of the candidates because they're all men. (being sarcastic)
Do you not believe that a "goodly portion" of the blacks voting for Obama are racist as well?

ilikegw

08-14-2008, 12:31 AM

Now. Migs, you KNOW that blacks cannot be racist, Farrakhan said so!

NIOSA

08-14-2008, 12:31 AM

Good for you.

I'm still waiting for my call.

I'll get fined & lose my phone service if I get a call like Libre got. :shock:

NIOSA

08-14-2008, 12:31 AM

Milton Bradley

08-14-2008, 12:35 AM

I'll get fined & lose my phone service if I get a call like Libre got. :shock:

The one that called Osborn asked for the Libertarian parties website.

:madlaugh:

:evil:

:thumbsup:

NIOSA

08-14-2008, 12:52 AM

Now. Migs, you KNOW that blacks cannot be racist, Farrakhan said so!

oh mah gooness, ah forgot. :dork:

NIOSA

08-14-2008, 12:55 AM

The one that called Osborn asked for the Libertarian parties wesite.

:madlaugh:

:evil:

:thumbsup:

:lmao:

slappy

08-14-2008, 01:06 AM

The woman on the phone seemed about as sure that Libre is white as he was about her skin colour. On the basis of that assumption, she moved on to the suspicion that he was a racist and then asked the question to confirm. She could simply have said "May I ask why you're not considering a vote for Senator Obama?", but she didn't. I also find it highly doubtful that many actual racists are going to confess their racism to a campaign worker on the telephone, so I'm very skeptical about her explanation that this was "the primary reason peeople won't vote for Obama". I'd also be interested in whether that's suppported by any respectable polling that she might have had in mind (not that this would in any way excuse her conduct).

Milton Bradley

08-14-2008, 01:10 AM

I also find it highly doubtful that many actual racists are going to confess their racism to a campaign worker on the telephone, so I'm very skeptical about her explanation that this was "the primary reason peeople won't vote for Obama".

I disagree.

Archie Bunker is usually all to willing to espouse all of his racist BS. All he is looking for is sombody willing to listen.

slappy

08-14-2008, 01:26 AM

Archie Bunker is one kind of racist. I have doubts that he's representative of the mainstream 21st century white racist.

Milton Bradley

08-14-2008, 01:31 AM

Archie Bunker is one kind of racist. I have doubts that he's representative of the mainstream 21st century white racist.

Again I disagree.

I know several Archie Bunkers. They're still out there. Perhaps they are not representative of a larger group, but surely they do still exist.

slappy

08-14-2008, 01:38 AM

I am sure you're right. It's the "primary reason" that I'm skeptical about. She might have spoken to an Archie Bunker now and again, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that she heard a lot more hemming and hawing from folks who are just too polite to lay it on the line. All that notwithstanding, I'm even more sure that most of the non-racist reasons that were given were quite sincere.

lily

08-14-2008, 01:52 AM

If a moderator can play this game then I guess I can too.

I'm not sure what "game" you are accusing NC of playing.........we mods are here to debate just like all of you are........and we all have our own debating styles.

It's not that I like McCain because I really don't (he's basically the Devil I know vs the one I don't). It's just Obama's supporters are so much more annoying. At least most McCain supporters are smart enough keep their ignorance hidden, but Obamaniacs actually revel in flaunting it.

I don't know why you have to put this in every post you write.....it's like you are apologizing for being a McCain supporter.......and before I get the I'm not, it's clear that you are.......you're voting for McCain because you like his supporters better??

............but back to the topic at hand.......you said in your original post:

The lady who had called was obviously an African American and she said to me; "So, do you think your neighbors would have a problem voting for an African American candidate?"

So she's a rascist, but you noticed right away that she was African American? It didn't occur to you that she could also tell that you were White and she was trying to get an idea of the demographics of the area she was canvasing? YOU are the one that jumped to the conclusion that she was being rascist and somehow this tranfers to Obama?

This is also assuming that I believe the phone call even happened.

ttriber

08-14-2008, 02:15 AM

I've had the same situation happend to me. Some Democrat called me asking If I could please vote for Obama except they didn't know I'm a straight ticket voter on the republican side. She expecting to hear a 20 yr old young voice Independent, thought she would hear music to her ears ,only to hear me basically explain to her the cuban embargo issue which she had no clue of and to explain what happend to my uncle at the Bay of Pigs being deserted by the JFK Admin.

Trish

08-14-2008, 02:41 AM

No, I don't agree that is being racist. There is real, actual racism in the US, true racial hate.

I'm sick of Obama and his supporters being accused of being a racist or race baiter, or playing the race card.

Real, honest to God racists don't imply or beat around the bush, they are offensive and blunt and they make scary threats and sometimes even carry them out.

Why doesn't someone start a thread complaining about those people? McCain supporters should be upset as these people as they are actually doing what they feel everyone is hinting around (heaven's no - how offensive) that they are doing. They are making all white people look bad so why not at least acknowledge it?

Why are you all whining about having been maybe kinda sorta called biased when Obama's getting actual death threats from these Stormfront white-supremacist types?

http://niggerobama.com//YaBB.pl?board=nigger

^That is racism. Oddly enough, these people hold standard Republican political opinions and other than being disgustingly racist, you couldn't tell the difference in their political views from your run of the mill Republican.

What was hinted at today to Libre on the phone is not racist. Just a little inappropriate.

Well I have to disagree with you. I certainly believe there is REAL racism out there. I also believe there is a wide range of REAL racist actions and behaviors. There are the slight, almost unconscious actions and behaviors that while annoying, embarassing, and inappropriate do no actual harm. The things like not meeting a person's eyes, or refusing to shake hands with certain people because of their color. Those things are racist - but they aren't particularly harmful. Then there are other more serious forms of racism - not hiring a person because of race, or refusing to rent a home to a person because of race. Those actions are more serious forms of racism and have the potential of causing harm. THen there is the dangerous types of racism where a person gets beat up, or dragged behind a pickup truck because of race. The most serious forms can be life threatening. There are all kinds of levels of racism - just because it isn't overt and outright dangerous doesn't mean it doesn't exist - and it all doesn't run in one direction.

xLIBREx

08-14-2008, 04:45 AM

I'm not sure what "game" you are accusing NC of playing.........we mods are here to debate just like all of you are........and we all have our own debating styles.

Hey, I am just feeling out what the water level is here. If that's where it's set, I have no problem with that. I am simply coming from a situation where the water mark was set differently for different people.

I don't know why you have to put this in every post you write.....it's like you are apologizing for being a McCain supporter.......and before I get the I'm not, it's clear that you are.......you're voting for McCain because you like his supporters better??

Every post huh? Exaggerate much?

Anyway, calling me a "McCain supporter" really misses the mark. It's like saying someone who would choose to have diarrhea over vomiting is a "diarrhea supporter." You do realize there are people out there who don't fit into stereotypical "left/right" dichotomy I hope. You know, like the men who founded this nation?

............but back to the topic at hand.......you said in your original post:

So she's a rascist, but you noticed right away that she was African American? It didn't occur to you that she could also tell that you were White and she was trying to get an idea of the demographics of the area she was canvasing? YOU are the one that jumped to the conclusion that she was being rascist and somehow this tranfers to Obama?

Where did I say it transfers to Obama? I said this is reflective of the Democratic party in general. I assume you are white and it certainly seems to apply to you so far.

To think asking if your neighbors would vote for a "black person" is somehow a scientifically based demographic polling question is pretty laughable. Her response came quickly and by wrote. I have no doubt it was a deliberate question designed to insight guilt and to interrupt the pattern of the questioned person in order to take the few moments you have on the phone to try and insert a new thought process. It's called neurolinguistic programming.

This is also assuming that I believe the phone call even happened.

Ah yes, when all else fails throw out a huge red herring and call someone's integrity into question when you have absolutely zero evidence.

lily

08-14-2008, 05:11 AM

Hey, I am just feeling out what the water level is here. If that's where it's set, I have no problem with that. I am simply coming from a situation where the water mark was set differently for different people.

We're all in the same water......so make sure you don't piss in it. :love:

Every post huh? Exaggerate much?

Anyway, calling me a "McCain supporter" really misses the mark. It's like saying someone who would choose to have diarrhea over vomiting is a "diarrhea supporter." You do realize there are people out there who don't fit into stereotypical "left/right" molds I hope.

Every post I've read........but then I don't read all the posts here.

Maybe it's me......I don't like fence sitters. I stay mainly in the Current events and I've yet to see you say that you are for anything......I've seen you say that you think Obama supporters are crazy, so that's the reason you're voting for McCain and I've seen you say that Mc Cain supporters are smart enough to keep their ignorance hidden.........call me silly lily......but I need more than that to vote for someone.

Where did I say it transfers to Obama? I said this is reflective of the Democratic party in general.

Are we not discussing the Democratic candidate?

I assume you are white and it certainly seems to apply to you so far.

I'm not one of those smart enough to keep my ignorance hidden.....is this a compliment or an insult?

To think asking if your neighbors would vote for a "black person" is somehow a scientifically based demographic polling question is pretty laughable. Her response came quickly and by wrote. I have no doubt it was a deliberate question designed to insight guilt and to interrupt the pattern of the questioned person in order to take the few moments you have on the phone to try and insert a new thought process. It's called neurolinguistic programming.

Well......you see that was my opinion.........on your opinion. Oh and I think you mean by rote? You can save the W........I might need to borrow it sometime, if I'm ever inclined to write a post about him.

Don't mind that last quip........I get teased about my spelling all the time......I just "needed" to do it.......I couldn't control myself. :lmao:

Ah yes, when all else fails throw out a huge red herring and call someone's integrity into question when you have absolutely zero evidence. Thanks for ironically proving my point.

Hey........it's my opinion.......it's not like I haven't been around the block a few times.

xLIBREx

08-14-2008, 05:25 AM

We're all in the same water......so make sure you don't piss in it. :love:

When in Rome I do as the Romans do.

Every post I've read........but then I don't read all the posts here.

Why not just admit the exaggeration and move on instead of continuing down a path which erodes your credibility?

Maybe it's me......I don't like fence sitters. I stay mainly in the Current events and I've yet to see you say that you are for anything......I've seen you say that you think Obama supporters are crazy, so that's the reason you're voting for McCain and I've seen you say that Mc Cain supporters are smart enough to keep their ignorance hidden.........call me silly lily......but I need more than that to vote for someone.

I stand for things neither candidate stands for, individual rights, freedom, liberty, and the Constitution. Neither one of these candidates represents me or the ideals our nation was founded upon and reached an unheard of hegemony upon. Until people realize nearly all of the problems we face in this nation arise from people ignoring these very things our country was founded upon, we will continue down the exact same road with little or no change in course. So Both sides will continue to blame each other while the 800lb gorilla in the room goes about his merry business completely unobstructed.

I can't vote "for" either one of these guys. I can basically only vote against the less desirable of two very undesirable choices. It's a sad state of affairs. You may not realize it, but a large group of Americans feels this way. If you study history, you would realize the conditions are very similar to those which existed when our nation was founded. Less than a majority of the colonists stood up against British tyranny, but freedom loving humans with real conviction are obviously a much greater force than their numbers would indicate.

I am part of a growing group of Americans who are rising up to follow in this tradition.

Are we not discussing the Democratic candidate?

Is that what it says in my thread title? Did I say I got a call from Obama himself?

Well......you see that was my opinion

Opinions presented with nothing to back them up are worthless. Not all opinions are created equal.

Hey........it's my opinion.......it's not like I haven't been around the block a few times.

No, it was an intentional red herring that added nothing substantive to what we were talking about.

xLIBREx

08-14-2008, 05:29 AM

Lily, thanks for the green. I can't give you another one, but I am glad you actually debate. There are a couple of people here who simply refuse to answer any criticisms of their posts. As you can tell, I never pass up a chance to answer a criticism!

I look at politics like I look at science, you test your positions by defending them. If you can't defend them, you have to change them. It was actually from debating like this that I moved away from being a liberal (and if you don't believe that I can point you to the board where it all went down). :)

lily

08-14-2008, 05:38 AM

When in Rome I do as the Romans do.

Well........if I feel something warm.........I'm moving fast!

Why not just admit the exaggeration and move on instead of continuing down a path which erodes your credibility?

Um......because I didn't make an exageration and I don't think my credibility is at stake.

I stand for things neither candidate stands for, individual rights, freedom, liberty, and the Constitution. Neither one of these candidates represents me or the ideals our nation was founded upon and reached an unheard of hegemony upon. Until people realize nearly all of the problems we face in this nation arise from people ignoring these very things our country was founded upon, we will continue down the exact same road with little or no change in course. So Both sides will continue to blame each other while the 800lb gorilla in the room goes about his merry business completely unobstructed.

I can't vote "for" either one of these guys. I can basically only vote against the less desirable of two very undesirable choices. It's a sad state of affairs. You may not realize it, but a large group of Americans feels this way. If you study history, you would realize the conditions are very similar to those which existed when our nation was founded. Less than a majority of the colonists stood up against British tyranny, but freedom loving humans with real conviction are obviously a much greater force than their numbers would indicate.

I think I've read that somewhere before.

...........but all kidding aside......I know how you feel........I felt the same way in 2004..........but I finally made up my mind........I'm so happy it wasn't because the other side debating on a political forum sounded crazy! It was on issues and the direction the country was going.

Is that what it says in my thread title? Did I say I got a call from Obama himself?

Um.....again.......who did they ask questions about??? Who is the Democratic party running???

Opinions presented with nothing to back them up are worthless. Not all opinions are created equal.

I'll keep that in mind!

No, it was an intentional red herring that added nothing substantive to what we were talking about.

Is that one of those "Opinions presented with nothing to back them up are worthless. Not all opinions are created equal", thing a bobs you were talking about?

Milton Bradley

08-14-2008, 05:46 AM

Anyway, calling me a "McCain supporter" really misses the mark. It's like saying someone who would choose to have diarrhea over vomiting is a "diarrhea supporter." You do realize there are people out there who don't fit into stereotypical "left/right" molds I hope.

What a wonderful analogy.

That's worthy of a signature quote.

:clapper:

potter

08-14-2008, 09:23 PM

I'm not voting for any of the candidates because they're all men. (being sarcastic)
Do you not believe that a "goodly portion" of the blacks voting for Obama are racist as well?

Could be...I've already indicated such. We're a very racist society...no matter how self righteously we hypocritically pound on about how evil racism is.....

potter

08-14-2008, 09:38 PM

Can you show me a Republican sponsored TV ad that claimed he was a Muslim?

Sponsored? No. I'm not sure how to get that information. Lots of innuendo out there though being slung around by FAUX news though.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/

And then there are those that just put it out there.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html

Its all in the vien of making claims like "Obama literally said "fear me because I'm black"

Comments made to strike fear into the hearts of like minded racists....OMG...the blacks are going to take over and enslave the whites!!!!

I personally think the OP was a bunch of contrived BS put out there to assuage the white racists guilt for voting against obama because he's black....but that's just an opinion.....

Osborn F. Enready

08-14-2008, 09:42 PM

Congratulations xLIBREx, I also have been called by both parties so far during this election cycle, for Clinton, McCain and Obama. I think I made all of them go home with deep questions they didn't want to answer for fear of the realization that they are working against themselves and their own intrests by supporting who they do.....One, from Obamas campaign, actually asked me for reference websites and thanked me for being so open and honest before he said "I respect all of your points, and there is really nothing I can say except thank you, and have a nice day".