View Full Version : John Edwards: "Without Character 'Ideas Don't Matter'"
Easy90
08-13-2008, 06:22 PM
August 12, 2008
Edwards in June: Without Character 'Ideas Don't Matter'
@ 6:29 pm by Andy Barr
Two months before admitting to an extramarital affair, former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards said that all presidential candidates should be judged by their character "because without it, the ideas don't matter."
Edwards said that a candidate's "authenticity and character" demonstrates "how that person will respond in a tough wind," during a June interview with Rolling Stone.
The North Carolina Democrat added that a candidate's character reveals whether as president they would do "what they know is the right thing to do."
"You've got to have a president who has strength and character, integrity. Because without it, the ideas don't matter."
LINK (http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/08/12/edwards-in-june-without-character-ideas-dont-matter/)
Gee...I hope John still gets to speak at the DNC Convention in Denver next week.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 06:32 PM
Well, at least he'll know why no one will listen to his ideas now, he told us not to, lol.
Blueneck
08-13-2008, 08:19 PM
Sins of weakness and sins of malice, people. Get over it already, and get laid once in while while your at it. Might change your perpective on things.
Blueneck
08-13-2008, 08:47 PM
Hahahaha. I just remembered this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Vs5570pKw
:madlaugh:
Elrathin
08-13-2008, 08:49 PM
Yeah, lack of cahracter. Too bad the person MANY of the people on the right are going to vote for ALSO has a lack of character for what he did with his first wife. But I guess the righties think THAT what McCain did was ok and will ignore it when going to the polls.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 08:51 PM
It's not been proven what Craig was doing in that bathroom, it's all speculation. Maybe if the National Enquirer had been on the story we would have found out if there was more to it.....
So - does character mean that a person is perfect?
Good luck finding that guy or gal.
I am so sick of this subject.
Elrathin
08-13-2008, 08:55 PM
It's not been proven what Craig was doing in that bathroom, it's all speculation.
No it isn't speculation, HE PLEAD GUILTY.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 09:05 PM
No it isn't speculation, HE PLEAD GUILTY.
Then he RECANTED.
Elrathin
08-13-2008, 09:11 PM
Then he RECANTED.
If he wasn't guilty he wouldn't have plead GUILTY. The only reason he recanted is people found out what he did and was embarrassed for doing it.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 09:21 PM
If he wasn't guilty he wouldn't have plead GUILTY. The only reason he recanted is people found out what he did and was embarrassed for doing it.
I think he figured pleading guilty would make it go away. if they had caught him actually having sex or at the very least propositioning someone rather than just tapping his foot and snapping his fingers I'd be more inclined to believe that he was there for sex.
Blueneck
08-13-2008, 09:25 PM
I think he figured pleading guilty would make it go away. if they had caught him actually having sex or at the very least propositioning someone rather than just tapping his foot and snapping his fingers I'd be more inclined to believe that he was there for sex.He was peeking through the crack in the door of the stall. That and the "naughty, nasty boy" comment is enough for me. He's a creep, and a hypocrite and a criminal and until he's removed from office, no Republican really has the right to judge Edwards, IMO.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 09:31 PM
He's not my senator and I don't care what he does in bathrooms, in closets or at home behind closed doors.
Blueneck
08-13-2008, 09:33 PM
He's not my senator and I don't care what he does in bathrooms, in closets or at home behind closed doors.:shock: Good. Then you don't care what Edwards does either, right?
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 09:36 PM
Totally different circumstances, that boob wanted to be the President of the United States and lied about the affair while still campaigning.
Blueneck
08-13-2008, 09:50 PM
Totally different circumstances, that boob wanted to be the President of the United States and lied about the affair while still campaigning.
But if he'd been elected that would be different? If he was arrested for soliciting men in a public restroom while he was an elected official, that would be better?
Your priorities are really warped.
Why don't I make this a little easier for you.
You only think it's important because he was a Democrat. If he was a Republican, you'd be making the same arguments I am. You simply have a double standard.
Sounds about right.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 09:58 PM
But if he'd been elected that would be different? If he was arrested for soliciting men in a public restroom while he was an elected official, that would be better?
Your priorities are really warped.
Why don't I make this a little easier for you.
You only think it's important because he was a Democrat. If he was a Republican, you'd be making the same arguments I am. You simply have a double standard.
Sounds about right.Neither one of them is better than the other.
I don't give a crap about either one, really (Edwards is no longer running, thank God), but I do have a problem with Edwards cheating on his sick wife. If he were a regular Joe on the street and did the same thing I would still think he was a scumbag.
Blueneck
08-13-2008, 10:04 PM
Neither one of them is better than the other. I don't give a crap about either one, but I do have a problem with Edwards cheating on his sick wife. If he were a regular Joe on the street and did the same thing I would still think he was a scumbag.If he was a regular Joe on the street you never would have found out about it. You'd go on thinking he was a great guy and if he was a cop or an EMT that came to your house and helped you in a time of need, you wouldn't care. In fact if you found out later, you'd probably say, "Hey, he saved my ass! Good thing he wasn't tossed out for this because I might not be here today!" or something to that effect.
I want my public servants to serve the public. That's moral character enough for me. Let God deal with the things they do that aren't illegal and have no effect on me personally.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 10:09 PM
Cheating on your wife is immoral so there goes his moral character and if you can't be faithful to your wife how can you be faithful and honest to the people you serve?
EMTs who cheat aren't fired or forced to resign and neither was Edwards.
Elrathin
08-13-2008, 10:17 PM
Cheating on your wife is immoral so there goes his moral character and if you can't be faithful to your wife how can you be faithful and honest to the people you serve?
And what does McCain's character say about him divorcing his sick wife after she was loyal and waited for him?
Again, people are making claims about Edward's "moral" character while giving McCain's a free pass.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 10:21 PM
And what does McCain's character say about him divorcing his sick wife after she was loyal and waited for him?
Again, people are making claims about Edward's "moral" character while giving McCain's a free pass.
I never gave McCain a free pass. From everything I've read he and his wife were separated when he met his second wife. If he cheated on her while they were still married then he's a pig as well.
Elrathin
08-13-2008, 10:22 PM
If he cheated on her while they were still married then he's a pig as well.
A pig that many on the right would STILL vote for, so like I said many on the right give McCain a free pass.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 10:28 PM
A pig that many on the right would STILL vote for, so like I said many on the right give McCain a free pass.
The difference between Edwards and McCain is that Edwards cheated on his wife while he was running for President and he also lied about it while he was running for President. If McCain cheated on his wife now, I'd say the same thing about him.
A vote for McCain is a vote against Obama.
Character does not mean that one never does anything wrong. And there will never be a win in the 'who is worse, dems or reps?' game in this area.
I see no comparison between McCain and Edwards - the situations are totally different.
AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR DANG JOB!
THEREFORE, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN, AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE ELSE!
(glad I got that off my chest ;-).
Seriously, we have so many real issues to pay attention to.
People have too little stress to even be capable of giving this any attention whatsoever.
Blueneck
08-13-2008, 10:44 PM
The difference between Edwards and McCain is that Edwards cheated on his wife while he was running for President and he also lied about it while he was running for President. If McCain cheated on his wife now, I'd say the same thing about him.
A vote for McCain is a vote against Obama.So once they are in office, it's okay? I love the way your arguments wind around in a big circle of morality that coincidentally never touches any Republican. How convenient.
You should be a lawyer the way you rationalize things.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 11:02 PM
No one said it's ok either way, stop putting words at my fingertips.
Men who cheat on their wives, whether they are sick or not, whether the man is in office or not, are immoral. BUT if you're running for president, trying to appeal to the people as an honest human being and you cheat on your wife and lie about it to those same American people, then you will be scrutinized and judged more harshly than if you had cheated on your wife 35 years ago.
BUT if you're running for president, trying to appeal to the people as an honest human being and you cheat on your wife and lie about it to those same American people, then you will be scrutinized and judged more harshly than if you had cheated on your wife 35 years ago.
Now that may be true because it is human nature to be more forgiving of an action further in the past. We can tell ourselves that the person is 'all better now', lol.
But that doesn't make it so. I feel we ought to rise to a higher understanding of human behavior and 'judge' accordingly, rather than trick ourselves this way.
ilikegw
08-13-2008, 11:22 PM
Now that may be true because it is human nature to be more forgiving of an action further in the past. We can tell ourselves that the person is 'all better now', lol.
But that doesn't make it so. I feel we ought to rise to a higher understanding of human behavior and 'judge' accordingly, rather than trick ourselves this way.
True, the "bad" doesn't go away, but people see more of the present and focus on that rather than delve into the past. It doesn't make one action better or worse than the other, of course, but we are talking about politicians. If McCain cheated on his first wife it happened before he was a US Senator and we're comparing apples and oranges if we compare Edwards cheating with McCain's cheating, though both men would be immoral all the same.
True, the "bad" doesn't go away, but people see more of the present and focus on that rather than delve into the past. It doesn't make one action better or worse than the other, of course, but we are talking about politicians. If McCain cheated on his first wife it happened before he was a US Senator and we're comparing apples and oranges if we compare Edwards cheating with McCain's cheating, though both men would be immoral all the same.
It's apples to oranges only in one sense - one is a worse political move than the other.
It's apples to apples on the immorality aspect.
preservanation
08-26-2008, 03:12 PM
John Edwards calling former staffers asking for forgiveness
By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Updated Tuesday, August 26th 2008, 8:41 AM
Willens/AP
John Edwards
DENVER - John Edwards is burning up the phone lines, begging former aides and backers to forgive him for lying about his affair - but hearing their rage instead.
As Democrats kick off their convention Monday, the onetime presidential contender is a man without a party - or a political future - trying to rebuild bridges through dozens of remorseful phone calls.
It's proving a hard sell with onetime true believers.
Many are bitter and disillusioned after swallowing his lies about his affair with a campaign staffer and vouching for his credibility with friends and journalists.
Some ignore his plaintive phone entreaties and don't call back - even when Edwards leaves follow-up messages. A few return his calls - and give him a piece of their angry minds.
When Edwards reached one longtime confidant asking for advice, he was cut off with a terse: "I don't want you to call me again."
The conversation ended abruptly.
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"I let you down, and I'm sorry," is a common refrain of these messages, said another top ex-assistant on the receiving end of one of the calls.
"It was kind of pathetic, to tell you the truth," said the ex-aide, who said he didn't return the call and doesn't expect to speak to his former boss again.
For months, the former North Carolina senator and John Kerry's 2004 running mate vigorously denied National Enquirer reports of an affair with campaign videographer Rielle Hunter, who since gave birth to a child.
On Aug. 8, Edwards admitted the 2006 affair with Hunter in an ABC interview - when his wife Elizabeth's cancer was in remission - but insisted he isn't the father of her son.
One source who compared notes with other former colleagues said Edwards makes no attempt to justify or rationalize his behavior in these desperate phone conversations. He simply expresses his regret for deceiving them and asks for their understanding and forgiveness.
Many think he's still not telling the truth.
"As painful as it will be for him, he needs to come clean," one of them said. "There's an overwhelming view that he's still lying."
What amazes me is that some on the left were so eager to dismiss this as lies, they were easily duped by Edwards just as they are being easily duped by Obama.
My feeling is that Edwards life is over.
Sounds like he better seek psychological counseling, pronto.
Wndrtch
08-26-2008, 04:39 PM
So - does character mean that a person is perfect?
Good luck finding that guy or gal.
I am so sick of this subject.
Would you trust a known theif with your belongings, if he told you that he's reformed?
BIrdzeye
08-26-2008, 06:20 PM
A pig that many on the right would STILL vote for, so like I said many on the right give McCain a free pass.
Go figure. Apparently right wingers get a free pass that they would never give a leftie.
ilikegw
08-27-2008, 02:30 PM
Yea, like giving Obama a free pass for hanging out with an American terrorist as recent as this spring... go figure.
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