Hitler and Putin Comparisons

[Stoner]

Very interesting article.

On October 3, 1938, Adolf Hitler’s armies marched into Sudetenland, a part of Czechoslovakia. Germany said it was responding to separatist demands from the large German population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Germany. Hitler’s tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.


On August 7, 2008, Vladimir Putin’s armies marched into South Ossetia, a part of Georgia. Russia said it was responding to separatist demands from the large Russian population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Russia. Putin’s tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.

Encouraged by his occupation of Sudetenland, Hitler continued his designs on Czechoslovakia itself and invaded the rest of the nation a few months later.

Will history continue to repeat itself?

Georgia is one of the two countries that have split off from the old Soviet Union and most firmly reached out to the West. Now Putin is testing whether the west will respond to an overt Russian military attack on a part of Georgia, doubtless paving the way for a full scale invasion, perhaps in the coming days. One immediate Russian move would be to use its new found military leverage to force Georgia to give up Abkhazia, another province with a large Russian population.

Russia has encouraged migration by ethnic Russians into its satellite empire ever since Stalin’s days and now is using the provinces with large Russian populations to foment discord in nations that lean to the West.

The United States and the European Union must not turn away at this crucial moment in history. The U.S. should take visible steps to bolster Georgia, including the dispatch of supplies, materials, and other manifestations of our determination not to let this nation be invaded.

Russia’s goal in this imperialism is to intimidate any nation on its borders into rejecting overtures from the west and to try to prove that the west will offer no real protection against Russian military designs.

NATO should speed consideration of Georgia’s application for admission and should extend its security umbrella to include the struggling democracy.

If the United States appeases Russia now, it will pay the same price British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain paid in the 1930s. This invasion must not be allowed to stand or, at the very least, it must be contained to South Ossetia and not allowed to lap over into the rest of Georgia.



http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/08/11/hitler-invaded-sudetenland-now-putin-invades-south-ossetia/

[micfranklin]

Yeah it is an interesting piece but I still don't think we need to involve ourselves.

[apdst]

I agree with Mic. We should wait until millions have died and the enemy is at the gate before we do anything. Why get involved before it's too late?

[micfranklin]

We don't have all the resources or funding we need to get involved, first of all. Second of all, another conflict with another nation is the last night we need or want.

[AnnEsthesia]

Not to mention the fact that Russia is ending operations there.

[DamnYankee]

I've said it before. Putin and Medvedev are trying to recapture some of those glory days of the Cold War. They are on the fast road to forcing former member states back into the Soviet Union.

First Georgia, next Ukraine? Latvia?

[PostmodernProphet]

Yeah it is an interesting piece but I still don't think we need to involve ourselves.

If by "involve" ourselves, you mean military action, I agree....but I think that every nation in the world ought to "involve" itself to the extent of considering how Russia's actions should affect our willingness to engage in trade and cooperation with them......

[Defensor]

Perhaps there is a comparison here to be made. Like Poland in 1939, Georgia was goaded on by self-serving great powers into antagonizing mutual rivals; the goal of course being to sacrifice a small weak nation in order to instigate a large-scale conflict. Britain ended up provoking the largest war the world has ever seen by its failed interventionist foreign policy. The U.S. is already making the same mistakes, supporting the tyrannical "democracy" of Georgia in its violent anti-Russian goals.

NATO should have been abolished two decades ago (actually it should never have been founded, but that's another story). The idea that the United States/ NATO ought to intervene in this conflict is utterly insane.

[Defensor]

I've said it before. Putin and Medvedev are trying to recapture some of those glory days of the Cold War. They are on the fast road to forcing former member states back into the Soviet Union.

First Georgia, next Ukraine? Latvia?

Too bad the U.S.A. is the superpower that never gave up those "glory days" of global imperialism to begin with.

First Afghanistan, then Iraq, next Iran? Syria?

[DamnYankee]

Too bad the U.S.A. is the superpower that never gave up those "glory days" of global imperialism to begin with.

First Afghanistan, then Iraq, next Iran? Syria?

I do not believe there is much support in fashioning Iraq and Afghanistan into the 51st and 52nd state. Having said that...

August 6, 2008, marks the beginning of the Soviet Union's quest for dominance, once again, forcing it's will on a free people.

[Defensor]

I do not believe there is much support in fashioning Iraq and Afghanistan into the 51st and 52nd state. Having said that...
Correct, I doubt the neocons intend for U.S. imperial possessions to be given such representation in the U.S. government.

August 6, 2008, marks the beginning of the Soviet Union's quest for dominance, once again, forcing it's will on a free people.
Unfortunately for you, the Soviet Union is gone. The new boogeyman created by the U.S.S.A. fedgov is the less definable and more permanent threat posed by the concept of "terrorism."

[DamnYankee]

Unfortunately for you, the Soviet Union is gone.

Nope. The USSR was destroyed, as we know it, by Reagan, but the old commie guard is still alive and well.

Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, all communists. Putin and Medvedev are KGB. And they are rebuilding the Soviet empire.

[apdst]

We don't have all the resources or funding we need to get involved, first of all. Second of all, another conflict with another nation is the last night we need or want.

We don't have the combat power to go head-to-head with the Russians, no. That's why we need to flex our muscles and try to bring an end to this, now, before it turns into another Poland 1939.

[Defensor]

Nope. The USSR was destroyed, as we know it, by Reagan, but the old commie guard is still alive and well.
The USSR was destroyed by the Soviet people themselves, but go ahead and continue following your mythology.

Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, all communists. Putin and Medvedev are KGB. And they are rebuilding the Soviet empire.
Bush, Cheney, McCain, all neocons. They are the ones rebuilding the Soviet empire from Washington.

[December]

Russian people, and everyone else in the world who is capable of thinking, LOVE Vladimir Putin. The NWO people, neo-cons, Zionists and Co., however, hate him.

God Bless this Greate Man!

Vladimir Putin has a sixth degree black belt in judo.

http://ochevidec.net/pic/story/141/1.jpg


http://www.judoinfo.com/images/putin.jpg

Russian President Vladimir Putin executes a throw on a Japanese Judo student during a visit to a Sports Center in Gushikawa, Okinawa, Japan, July 23, 2000. He then allowed himself to be thrown onto the mat. After concluding a final round of talks with other world leaders on global issues, Putin visited the sports center and removed his jacket and shoes for light matches with several Gushikawa students. Putin, 47, told the assembled young Judo fans to persevere with their sport because it brought people together.

http://www.judoinfo.com/announce.htm


http://dementieva.ru/downloads/catimages/4267_image.jpg

Russia's tennis star Elena Dementieva with Russian President Vladimir Putin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28eW1dderVg

[December]

Hitler and Putin Comparisons

So when will America invade Russia to get rid of Russian Hitler?

[apdst]

He's a mongoloid Russian. It's no surprise that other mongoloid Russians love him.

[December]

apdst, so when will America invade Russia to get rid of mongoloid Russian Hitler?

[DamnYankee]

Russian people, and everyone else in the world who is capable of thinking, LOVE Vladimir Putin. The NWO people, neo-cons, Zionists and Co., however, hate him.

Putin is a commie thug who kills people who do not believe as he believes and imprisons those in the media who get in his way.

[PostmodernProphet]

Britain ended up provoking the largest war the world has ever seen by its failed interventionist foreign policy.
????....where did you study history?.....

[DamnYankee]

The USSR was destroyed by the Soviet people themselves, but go ahead and continue following your mythology.

I will. Reagan destroyed the USSR are we know it.

Bush, Cheney, McCain, all neocons. They are the ones rebuilding the Soviet empire from Washington.

Yeah, right. And Putin is six foot tall.

[December]

Putin is a commie thug who kills people who do not believe as he believes and imprisons those in the media who get in his way.

It's getting borring to read these sort of posts already....

Anyway, when will America going to go to Russia to get rid of the "commie thug" (as you put it)?

[DamnYankee]

It's getting borring to read these sort of posts already....

Anyway, when will America going to go to Russia to get rid of the "commie thug" (as you put it)?

They have a way of getting rid of themselves. Just ask Stalin.

[NortheastCynic]

It's getting borring to read these sort of posts already....

Anyway, when will America going to go to Russia to get rid of the "commie thug" (as you put it)?The idea that America will invade Russia to get rid of Putin is an invention of your own, December. How do you expect anyone to answer a hypothetical situation that you yourself created?

-NC

[preservanation]

I've said it before. Putin and Medvedev are trying to recapture some of those glory days of the Cold War. They are on the fast road to forcing former member states back into the Soviet Union.

First Georgia, next Ukraine? Latvia?Poland?

[Stoner]

For all those who think the US is even considering sending in ground troops to the Soviet Union are way off. It's not even an option unless new developments arise.

What may happen is the UN could send in a force to intervene. Would Americans be involved in that? Most likely.

This matter will probably resolve itself in a timely manner.

[apdst]

December,

Does Russia still have the highest rate of inbreeding, in the world?

[Stoner]

December,

Does Russia still have the highest rate of inbreeding, in the world?

I thought West Virginia held that title.

[suedanim]

The idea that America will invade Russia to get rid of Putin is an invention of your own, December. How do you expect anyone to answer a hypothetical situation that you yourself created?

-NC

He doesn't. He's asking it, already knowing the answer and he knows the people he's asking know the answer as well.

We ain't gonna do shit. The rest is all bluster, hype, attempts to look Presidential at 3 am...and that sort of entertainment for some elements within the public. Politicians and candidates (ALL) are in this for the media event and photo-ops.

Politicians will foam at the mouth, but the military already knows we won't move on Russia.

Russia and China are the ONLY countries with long range missile capability for sending the USA mainland mushroom clouds over Cincinatti.

Iraq never had it. Iran doesn't have it. So...we can hit 'em up over there with no real worries about getting hit back on our own home turf.

OTOH.... we go in to aid Georgia... our aid will be military confrontation with Russia.. IDIOTS, like neocons and their obedient followers could quite possibly get us a direct hit right here are home.

Never mind that. We rule the world right?

btw.... Reagan did not bring the Soviet Union to its knees alone. The Soviet Union failed because communism fails. The USSR rotted from the inside out. Reagan merely capitalized on that coming failure and worked with Gorbachev to hasten its demise. Gorbachev is owed as much as Reagan anyday for the collapse of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany. Reagan, to the end... played the part of the President, like any good B actor, took credit for the USSR fall and dittoheads to this day continue to proclaim his sainthood, while ignoring all other factors at play.

[IndieVisible]

It's getting borring to read these sort of posts already....

Anyway, when will America going to go to Russia to get rid of the "commie thug" (as you put it)?

When Russia tries to put missiles in Cuba you will see the pussy Putin really is :lmao:

[Defensor]

????....where did you study history?.....
You are disputing the historical record concerning the lead-up to World War II?

[suedanim]

I thought West Virginia held that title.

West Virginia's a red state isn't it?

...you're welcome...

[apdst]

West Virginia's a red state isn't it?

...you're welcome...

Only from a Liberal.

[micfranklin]

We don't have the combat power to go head-to-head with the Russians, no. That's why we need to flex our muscles and try to bring an end to this, now, before it turns into another Poland 1939.

We want to bring an end to it the least we could do is be diplomatic rather than start sending troops in.

[apdst]

We want to bring an end to it the least we could do is be diplomatic rather than start sending troops in.

Diplomacy IS the least we can do.

[PostmodernProphet]

You are disputing the historical record concerning the lead-up to World War II?

no, just your interpretation of it.....when I studied history it sort of looked like WW2 was brought on by Hitler's desire to rule Europe......not by Britain's "interventionist" foreign policy

[Defensor]

no, just your interpretation of it.....when I studied history it sort of looked like WW2 was brought on by Hitler's desire to rule Europe......not by Britain's "interventionist" foreign policy
Go beyond the first-grade history book and you'll see there was a lot more to World War II than the ridiculous 'evil maniac randomly starts invading countries' story. Poland was a pawn in Britain's plan to instigate war. South Ossetia is the new Danzig.

[PostmodernProphet]

Go beyond the first-grade history book and you'll see there was a lot more to World War II than the ridiculous 'evil maniac randomly starts invading countries' story. Poland was a pawn in Britain's plan to instigate war. South Ossetia is the new Danzig.

and again I ask....in which country were the first grade history books you studied published?......it's not a difficult question...I am surprised it stumped you the first time I asked it....

[PostmodernProphet]

South Ossetia is the new Danzig

yes, I see the parallel....including the evil maniac intent on seizing it....

[Defensor]

and again I ask....in which country were the first grade history books you studied published?......it's not a difficult question...I am surprised it stumped you the first time I asked it....

No, but it is a ridiculous question. I'm not here to debate the merits of textbook publishers.

[Defensor]

yes, I see the parallel....including the evil maniac intent on seizing it....

You mean the parallel between Bush and Churchill instigating global conflicts?

[apdst]

Go beyond the first-grade history book and you'll see there was a lot more to World War II than the ridiculous 'evil maniac randomly starts invading countries' story.

How 'bout you give us a summary of those events? I'm a student of history, especially military history, and I've never heard of that.

In fact, it makes no sense that Britain was trying to sucker Germany into war, since Britain's priminister was intent on making himself look like a dork by singing a non-aggression pact with Germany.

[Defensor]

How 'bout you give us a summary of those events? I'm a student of history, especially military history, and I've never heard of that.
Of course you've never heard of that, Germany just woke up one day and decided to invade Poland out of the blue. :rolleyes:

In fact, it makes no sense that Britain was trying to sucker Germany into war, since Britain's priminister was intent on making himself look like a dork by singing a non-aggression pact with Germany.
Britain's prime minister at the time was Neville Chamberlain, who was no non-interventionist by any stretch of the imagination. British intervention in continental affairs was the prime cause of World War II.

[apdst]

Britain's prime minister at the time was Neville Chamberlain, who was no non-interventionist by any stretch of the imagination. British intervention in continental affairs was the prime cause of World War II.

Care to give us some details?

[PostmodernProphet]

let me be blunt, Defensor....it seems apparent, though you won't acknowledge it, that your "education" regarding European history has a rather shaded tilt to it.....I expect you grew up somewhere where the facts were not fully presented to you in, shall we say, a free and independent atmosphere of learning......

the internet is a wonderful tool......you will find access to information which has not been programmed by some government filter.....make use of it and get back to us.....

[Defensor]

Care to give us some details?
Pretty simple. Britain pretends to guarantee the independence of Poland. Poland becomes antagonistic and refuses to negotiate over the Danzig corridor. Germany responds with force. Britain gets its war. So far, three of these steps have already happened with the current Georgia-Russia situation. Will the U.S./NATO take advantage of this situation to start a war, or will we be able to stop them in time?

[Defensor]

let me be blunt, Defensor....it seems apparent, though you won't acknowledge it, that your "education" regarding European history has a rather shaded tilt to it.....I expect you grew up somewhere where the facts were not fully presented to you in, shall we say, a free and independent atmosphere of learning......
You mean I don't spout the mythological, war-worshiping rhetoric of U.S. propaganda mills masquerading as schools?

I believe in free and objective analysis of history. You apparently do not.

the internet is a wonderful tool......you will find access to information which has not been programmed by some government filter.....make use of it and get back to us.....
Yes, I suggest you read websites other than those that end in .gov.

[apdst]

I believe in free and objective analysis of history.

Then, show us some documentation supporting your earlier statements.

[Defensor]

Then, show us some documentation supporting your earlier statements.

THE WESTERN GUARANTEE OF POLISH INDEPENDENCE, MARCH 31, 1939 (http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/pre-war/390331a.html)

Danzig -- Speech of September 19, 1939 (http://www.hitler.org/speeches/09-13-39.html)

A World at War (http://eddyteddy.com/worldwar.htm)

A fatal guarantee: Poland, 1939.(British and French guarantees of Polish independence) (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-19847155.html)

Pat Buchanan just put out a new book on this issue as well. (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=66983)

[PostmodernProphet]

THE WESTERN GUARANTEE OF POLISH INDEPENDENCE, MARCH 31, 1939 (http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/pre-war/390331a.html)

Danzig -- Speech of September 19, 1939 (http://www.hitler.org/speeches/09-13-39.html)

A World at War (http://eddyteddy.com/worldwar.htm)

A fatal guarantee: Poland, 1939.(British and French guarantees of Polish independence) (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-19847155.html)

Pat Buchanan just put out a new book on this issue as well. (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=66983)

how is it that British assurances giving Poland the nerve to resist Hitler's demands "caused" the war, and Hitler's demands did not.....why was he insisting on changes in the Danzig corridor when he had entered into a treaty stating he would not do so?......

[Defensor]

how is it that British assurances giving Poland the nerve to resist Hitler's demands "caused" the war, and Hitler's demands did not.....why was he insisting on changes in the Danzig corridor when he had entered into a treaty stating he would not do so?......
Germany and Poland were in negotiations to resolve the issues surrounding the predominately German city of Danzig. Only when Britain stuck its big nose into things did Poland break the negotiations off, taking a belligerent stance with the assumption that the U.K. would back it up. Poland was duped into thinking it could easily defeat Germany, and possibly even gain territory. The same thing has gone on with Saakashvili's "miscalculation" in his hopes of overrunning South Ossetia.

[tony mitra]

I do not believe there is much support in fashioning Iraq and Afghanistan into the 51st and 52nd state. Having said that...

August 6, 2008, marks the beginning of the Soviet Union's quest for dominance, once again, forcing it's will on a free people.

It is silly to be criticising Russia without also acknowledging that they too have rights to secure their borders and keep external influence as far as possible away from neighbors. USA did too, when they precipitated the Cuban crisis.

USA has been less than open and friendly to Russia and has been trying to box it in. Russia has a long border with China which is essentially unprotectable given the difference in populations of the two nations, and border towns have increasing numbers of Chinese. And on the European side, Russia is facing a situation where its newly independent neighbors are being courted by the west not necessarily because the west loves the east block nations, but because it wishes to establish military and strategic links with them, essentially circling Russia.

So, before discussing what Russia has been doing in Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia or Georgia, how about discussing also what precisely USA has been doing, about the border nations?

How would USA feel of Mexico was to become a strategic military partner of Russia ?

Cheers and have fun everyone
Tony

[PostmodernProphet]

Germany and Poland were in negotiations to resolve the issues surrounding the predominately German city of Danzig. Only when Britain stuck its big nose into things did Poland break the negotiations off, taking a belligerent stance with the assumption that the U.K. would back it up. Poland was duped into thinking it could easily defeat Germany, and possibly even gain territory. The same thing has gone on with Saakashvili's "miscalculation" in his hopes of overrunning South Ossetia.

so basically it's your position that the war was "caused" by Poland's failure to succumb willingly to Hitler's aggression instead of by Hitler's aggression?.......

[NIOSA]

As soon as Putin was "installed" as leader of Russia, everybody should've known what his game plan was. He didn't get to be head of KGB because he was shy.
Just heard that Russian armored personnel carriers had entered Gori, that's just 40 miles from Tiblisi. So much for Russias cease fire.
Even if we should do something, how can we? What can we do?
Putin & Hitler? Putin is just more refined (sneaky) in his quest.