How Bush respects the flag [Archive]

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-11-2008, 12:05 AM

So...bush is bored by the games....and waves his little flag funny. Honestly, you Dems are no better that the Repubics you hate so much.

It's not as if Bush has been stingy in his actually worthy bitchfest material.

I think you missed the point.

I don't think the point was really about how horrible Bush was for tapping his little flag on his knee...

Just about the expected hypocritical reaction by the republicans (and they didn't disappoint)...especially considering how they acted when Obama didn't put his hand on his heart during the national anthem...and how they would have acted if Obama were doing the same thing as what Bush did...

tecoyah

08-11-2008, 12:08 AM

I think you missed the point.

I don't think the point was really about how horrible Bush was for tapping his little flag on his knee...

Just about the expected hypocritical reaction by the republicans (and they didn't disappoint)...especially considering how they acted when Obama didn't put his hand on his heart during the national anthem...and how they would have acted if Obama were doing the same thing as what Bush did...

Oh...I got the point, I was simply pointing out my own dissatisfaction with the Dems dropping to the Republican level.

Hell I left the Repubs for your guys...then you start acting just like them.

Buck Laser

08-11-2008, 12:16 AM

Oh...I got the point, I was simply pointing out my own dissatisfaction with the Dems dropping to the Republican level.

Hell I left the Repubs for your guys...then you start acting just like them.
I can plead guilty to that. I agree that it was a bit snarky, but so was the alleged story about Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. I just don't think such piddling things should become election issues. I won't do something like that again, I promise. Now. I wonder what I can expect from the usual suspects here.

What do you think, Tecoyah? Are they gonna eschew the cheap shots too? Would you like to place a little bet on it?

AnnEsthesia

08-11-2008, 12:18 AM

I can plead guilty to that. I agree that it was a bit snarky, but so was the alleged story about Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. I just don't think such piddling things should become election issues. I won't do something like that again, I promise. Now. I wonder what I can expect from the usual suspects here.

What do you think, Tecoyah? Are they gonna eschew the cheap shots too? Would you like to place a little bet on it?

That would be a foolish bet.

lily

08-11-2008, 12:19 AM

So....the response to Bush playing with the flag out of total boredome and having no respect for it, is to show a picture of Obama not holding his hand over his heart?

Yeah.......I guess I'd change the subject too.

Alonzo

08-11-2008, 12:21 AM

He's a repeat offender:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/-/e/bush_flag_desecration.jpg

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-11-2008, 12:27 AM

Oh...I got the point, I was simply pointing out my own dissatisfaction with the Dems dropping to the Republican level.

Hell I left the Repubs for your guys...then you start acting just like them.

Sorry, since the point of the post wasn't really to show how bad Bush was for tapping the flag on his knee, I really don't think that the Dems "dropped to the the Republican level"...

I think it is important for people to realize that the selective patriotism and indignation that the Republicans display is really just a self-serving farse...

Stoner

08-11-2008, 12:37 AM

Must be a slow week in politics.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 12:39 AM

Must be a slow week in politics.

Or an attempetd deflection from Mr Edwards. :lmao:

Buck Laser

08-11-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Stoner
Must be a slow week in politics.
Or an attempetd deflection from Mr Edwards. :lmao:

Yeah, it's a slow week: the Olympics pretty much wipes political news, and you guys have had your fun with Edwards. Maybe after the Olympics, talk will get around to McCain's infidelity.....Nah, that would be mean-spirited on our part, wouldn't it? Wouldn't wanna do that.

Mouth Full Of Teeth

08-11-2008, 12:46 AM

Must be a slow week in politics.

Tire gages and Edward's Affair...yeah...been a slow for at least a few weeks.

webwarrior

08-11-2008, 01:35 AM

Speaks for what Bush really thinks about this country, just backs up his lies that so many died over, can't wait for his war crimes trial.

xLIBREx

08-11-2008, 01:47 AM

Speaks for what Bush really thinks about this country, just backs up his lies that so many died over, can't wait for his war crimes trial.

Bush will never have a war crimes trial and not because he doesn't deserve to, HE DOES. No, the reason it won't happen is because the other major party is no better. Their members are just as heavily invested in military industrial complex stocks and war is just as good for them as it is for the party across the aisle.

So don't fall for the game that is being played here. It's the oldest strategy in the world; divide and conquer. In effect, these scumbag politicians have divided us all in half and successfully made us fight amongst each other and all the while we don't notice the 800lb gorilla in the room picking our pockets, killing our children, and all around eroding our rights on a daily basis.

As long as our country is as divided as it is, there really is no hope that anything will get better. "Liberals" are going to have to learn that they don't have the right to force one person to work for the benefit of another and "conservatives" are going to have to learn they have no right to tell other people how to have sex or what religion to follow. If these two factions don't figure this out on their own they will wake up one day with neither economic nor social freedom.

apdst

08-11-2008, 01:53 AM

It's symbolism.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 03:52 AM

Speaks for what Bush really thinks about this country, just backs up his lies that so many died over, can't wait for his war crimes trial.

Tapping the flag on his knee shows what Bush really thinks of this country?
How, exactly?

lily

08-11-2008, 04:07 AM

It's symbolism.

What symbolism.......that he could care less?

I've read tons of posts on these forums over the years about disrespect for the flag and what it means.........so please tell me what this symbolizes?

webwarrior

08-11-2008, 05:27 AM

It's our flag, not a drum stick, Bush should be impeached!!!
If anyone in uniform did that, they would face a court marshal and dishonerable discharge, the Commander in Chief should be held to a higher standard.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/usc_sup_01_4.html

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(or bush's knees)
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/usc_sec_04_00000008----000-.html

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/ch1.html

Any person Violating the above or desecrating the flag shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/usc_sec_04_00000003----000-.html

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/usc_sec_04_00000003----000-.html

apdst

08-11-2008, 06:11 AM

What symbolism

Symbolic of how The USA is going to kick everyone's ass.

Rage

08-11-2008, 07:28 AM

Hate to break it to you guys, but that's not our flag, its a miniature model of our flag that isn't made out of the material you are supposed to make flags out of. Coke and pepsi may look the same but they taste different, if that analogy makes any sense to you.

That's like saying GWB disgraced nascar for knocking a toy car off the shelf in a supermarket and not picking it up. God this man cant take a shit without some people saying its some sort of plot.

tecoyah

08-11-2008, 11:47 AM

What do you think, Tecoyah? Are they gonna eschew the cheap shots too? Would you like to place a little bet on it?

They will continue playing to the lowest denominator...but, does that mean the only way to deal with it is a tit for tat?

There are mountains of material to throw back that have serious implications...Especially where Bush is concerned.

webwarrior

08-11-2008, 12:21 PM

RageHate to break it to you guys, but that's not our flag, its a miniature model Source? How do you know what it's made of, ect? Since when does the leader of a nation take a toy flag (there's no such thing, that statement in itself is desecrating our flag) to an international event? So you'd have no problem with a group of protesters spitting and walking on some "toy" flags huh?
Bullshit, it's an American flag or at least represents it (replica, model or whatever, it's still a flag) and you dam well know it. Like I said..if even a private in uniform did that, he'd be court marshalled.

That's like saying GWB disgraced nascar for knocking a toy car off the shelf I can't believe that you would equate our flag to a toy car, is there a one neocon that respects something other than big oil and a tax break? Incredible, absolutely incredible!! You'd probably be more offended if he stepped on a dollar.

Bush should be impeached for desecrating our flag. On top of getting millions of innocent people killed by his lies.
The man has always, disgraced and humiliated this country in an international arena, he has the manners and intelligence of a town drunk. (which he is)

Shoey

08-11-2008, 01:22 PM

> "Hyper-liberal shitstirrer"<

Appropriate.

No big surprise coming from a ACLU (Anti Christ Liberal Union) supporter since 1987. :unreal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU

^ Obama refusing to put his hand over his heart during the singing of the National Anthem.

webwarrior

08-11-2008, 01:36 PM

Well at least he's not using our flag as a drumstick!! Man that's a unique vid, I've never seen that before (only a couple of thousand times in every other thread)
Yawnn, so here we go with the change the subject tactic, same ole same ole.
This is what we're talking about..rememeber?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfibaWamS70
^Bush using flag as drumstick

Stoner

08-11-2008, 03:01 PM

Sickening Obama would disrespect the country by not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem.

BTW, anyone who isn't on their 63rd glass of kool-aid will tell you there's nothing wrong with Bush tapping a mini-flag on his knee. If he blew his nose with it you may have a point, but tapping it to the beat on his knee? Hardly anything wrong with that.

Just another case of libbies whining about anything Bush does. The rhetoric is old and doesn't work. Only thing it accomplishes is showing everyone that libbies are the biggest drama queens on the planet.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 03:50 PM

What symbolism.......that he could care less?

I've read tons of posts on these forums over the years about disrespect for the flag and what it means.........so please tell me what this symbolizes?

webwarrior didn't asnwer my question, maybe you can? How did Bush tapping the flag on his knee show disrespect?

webwarrior

08-11-2008, 04:51 PM

It's called desecrating..somethiong you probably don't understand, it's like pissing on a grave..
It would be like taxing the rich to a republican, a sacriledge....maybe you can relate to that.

DamnYankee

08-11-2008, 05:07 PM

President Bush tapping the little flag on his knee is nothing compared to what the leftists do to the flag.

This is non news.

potter

08-11-2008, 05:15 PM

"Hyper-liberal shitstirrer"

Appropriate.

OMG...the nerve.....take a look at all the petty "slam Obama" threads just on page one and then tell me about "liberal shit stirring"..... :unreal:

potter

08-11-2008, 05:16 PM

President Bush tapping the little flag on his knee is nothing compared to what the leftists do to the flag.

This is non news.

Screw the flag. Id rather have the constitution still in tact...thank you conservatives.

potter

08-11-2008, 05:20 PM

Symbolic of how The USA is going to kick everyone's ass.

Because that's what America is all about right? Kicking everyones ass.....:drool:

webwarrior

08-11-2008, 05:21 PM

DamnYankee President Bush tapping the little flag on his knee is nothing Not in the minds of people who justify the lies that killed millions of innocent people, all for a tax break.
You're right, desecrating the flag is nothing, the republicans and Bush have done a hell of alot worse, desecrating the flag is small potatoes.

DamnYankee

08-11-2008, 05:28 PM

DamnYankee Not in the minds of people who justify the lies that killed millions of innocent people, all for a tax break.

There's no evidence, except "evidence" presented by the kook fringe, Moveon.org types, that Bush "killed millions."

You're right, desecrating the flag is nothing, the republicans and Bush have done a hell of alot worse, desecrating the flag is small potatoes.

Tapping a little flag is not equal to burning it, or worse. Typically the leftists champion things like this. What gives?

AlanC

08-11-2008, 05:32 PM

There's no evidence, except "evidence" presented by the kook fringe, Moveon.org types, that Bush "killed millions."

Tapping a little flag is not equal to burning it, or worse. Typically the leftists champion things like this. What gives?

I'm still waiting for someone to post the link for the etiquite involved with handling of toy flags at sporting events.

I suppose next they will complain about sticking them in the ground on memorial day and leaving them to the maintence crews to toss in the trash the next day. But no, they couldn't blame Bush for that one, now could they?

DamnYankee

08-11-2008, 05:53 PM

.I suppose next they will complain about sticking them in the ground on memorial day and leaving them to the maintence crews to toss in the trash the next day. But no, they couldn't blame Bush for that one, now could they?

I'm waiting for a leftist to explain why they are b*tching about Bush tapping a little flag on his knee, while their fellow Marxists are burning real flags and they say nothing.

Typical leftist.

Buck Laser

08-11-2008, 05:54 PM

There's no evidence, except "evidence" presented by the kook fringe, Moveon.org types, that Bush "killed millions."

Tapping a little flag is not equal to burning it, or worse. Typically the leftists champion things like this. What gives?

Are you suggesting that one of the democratic candidates has burned a flag? Son, this was the President of the United States messing around with that flag. Remember when he autographed someone's flag? I think someone needs to sit you down and give you a little training on basic flag etiquette.

Wndrtch

08-11-2008, 05:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfibaWamS70

Isn't it nice that Bush shows such exquisite respect for the flag here? Wonder what the response would be if we had a picture of Senator Obama doing the same thing?

Never happen.

Obama wouldn't even be holding an Amercan flag in the first place.

Come to think of it, has anybody ever seen Obama holding a flag of "Ole Glory"? :ponder:

DamnYankee

08-11-2008, 06:16 PM

Are you suggesting that one of the democratic candidates has burned a flag?

I'm suggesting they hadn't already. At least no evidence suggest it.

Son, this was the President of the United States messing around with that flag. Remember when he autographed someone's flag? I think someone needs to sit you down and give you a little training on basic flag etiquette.

Perhaps you should channel your energy towards fellow leftists. They need the training more so than anyone. It may make your arguments more valid and less hypocritical.

Buck Laser

08-11-2008, 06:34 PM

I'm suggesting they hadn't already. At least no evidence suggest it.

Perhaps you should channel your energy towards fellow leftists. They need the training more so than anyone. It may make your arguments more valid and less hypocritical.

If you'd take a look at the little "flag etiquette book" they issued you when you signed on as whatever you are, you'd see that putting an autograph on the flag is totally inappropriate. But how should I know? I keep a pile of flags to burn in my fireplace after I'm through running over old ladies and stepping on babies. :evil:

xLIBREx

08-11-2008, 06:43 PM

Instead of people worrying about how someone is treating a piece of cloth which has not one iota of effect in any of our daily lives, people should worry about what is being done to our Constitution. Democrats and Republicans have been destroying our Constitution at an unprecedented rate and unless we wake up, and soon, we are going to wake up one day in a country we no longer recognize.

So, if you want America to become a third world nation and little more than a shell of its former self, keep up the silly partisan infighting which is exactly what both sides of the aisle want you to do. On the other hand, if you are a reasonable and rational person who can process evidence on your own and come to your own conclusions while leaving dogma at the door, please realize that arguing over which party makes a better slavemaster is an argument that you lose even if you win.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 06:51 PM

Would the same people that are upset about Bush "disrespecting" the flag be as upset had he burnt it?

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 06:53 PM

It's called desecrating..somethiong you probably don't understand, it's like pissing on a grave..
It would be like taxing the rich to a republican, a sacriledge....maybe you can relate to that.

I'm neither rich nor republican, maybe you could quit projecting.
Tapping the flag on ones knee is desecrating it? :lmao:
Reaching are ya?

AlanC

08-11-2008, 06:58 PM

I'm neither rich nor republican, maybe you could quit projecting.
Tapping the flag on ones knee is desecrating it? :lmao:
Reaching are ya?

Nobody's arms are long enough for a reach of that magnatude. :D

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 07:30 PM

webwarrior didn't asnwer my question, maybe you can? How did Bush tapping the flag on his knee show disrespect?

Is this post "pure baiting", anyone? I was accused of baiting with this post & i disagree.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 07:31 PM

Nobody's arms are long enough for a reach of that magnatude. :D

:lmao:
It's pure projection. :D

webwarrior

08-11-2008, 08:27 PM

Elrathin

08-11-2008, 09:31 PM

Nobody's arms are long enough for a reach of that magnatude. :D

You mean like how some conservatives were upset that Obama didn't put his hands over his heart for the National Anthem? Something by the way that is not always done?

Oh but I guess since it is Obama it is ok to make a big deal out of it right?

BTW, no I don't think Bush desecrated the flag and I don't think Obama showed disrespect by just standing. If he would have just sat through the thing, that would be another story. I just find it funny people are making a big deal out of the most stupid details.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 10:02 PM

You guys are hillarious, you bash Edwards for having normal relations with a woman, you promote homosexual relations among men and defend Bush for desecrating the flag what, a gang of thugs...you do know you look like dam fools right? (probably not, they lack the mental falculties)

Again, & I'll type it slowly for you...
n-o-b-o-d-y i-s b-a-s-h-i-n-g E-w-a-r-d-s f-o-r h-a-v-i-n-g "n-o-r-m-a-l r-e-l-a-t-i-o-n-s" w-i-t-h a-n-y-o-n-e. H-e w-a-s d-a-l-l-y-i-n-g w-i-t-h a-n-t-o-h-e-r w-o-m-a-n (or person, if that's better) w-h-i-l-e h-i-s w-i-f-e w-a-s w-a-i-t-i-n-g a-t h-o-m-e s-u-f-f-e-r-i-n-g f-r-o-m a t-e-r-m-i-n-a-l i-l-l-n-e-s-s.
I woulf think that any decent human being would find Edwards debauchery nauseating to say the least. Now we find out that he might well have broken finance campaign laws too.
Dems condemn repubs for these actions & well they should, but now that one of their own is in the crapper, well my goodness, "it's just about sex". No, it is not!!!!

potter

08-11-2008, 10:10 PM

Again, & I'll type it slowly for you...
n-o-b-o-d-y i-s b-a-s-h-i-n-g E-w-a-r-d-s f-o-r h-a-v-i-n-g "n-o-r-m-a-l r-e-l-a-t-i-o-n-s" w-i-t-h a-n-y-o-n-e. H-e w-a-s d-a-l-l-y-i-n-g w-i-t-h a-n-t-o-h-e-r w-o-m-a-n (or person, if that's better) w-h-i-l-e h-i-s w-i-f-e w-a-s w-a-i-t-i-n-g a-t h-o-m-e s-u-f-f-e-r-i-n-g f-r-o-m a t-e-r-m-i-n-a-l i-l-l-n-e-s-s.
I woulf think that any decent human being would find Edwards debauchery nauseating to say the least. Now we find out that he might well have broken finance campaign laws too.
Dems condemn repubs for these actions & well they should, but now that one of their own is in the crapper, well my goodness, "it's just about sex". No, it is not!!!!

T-h-i-s-i-s-t-h-e-e-x-a-c-t-s-a-m-e-t-h-i-n-g-M-c-C-a-i-n-d-i-d-t-o-h-i-s-e-x-w-i-f-e.

Apparently nobody finds anything wrong with cheating on and then leaving your cancer ridden spouse. The republicans have nominated just such an "immoral" person to be president.

This is a big problem with todays society. No moral standards whatsoever....except for the "other" party.

lily

08-11-2008, 10:45 PM

I'm waiting for a leftist to explain why they are b*tching about Bush tapping a little flag on his knee, while their fellow Marxists are burning real flags and they say nothing.

Typical leftist.

This really isn't a left or right issue, unless you want to admit that the right has a coniption fit everytime they percieve that someone isn't as patriotic as they think they should be........in this case it came back to bite you in the ass, as you now have to defend the one person in the world that should know better.........

apdst

Symbolic of how The USA is going to kick everyone's ass.

::scratches head:: Bush tapping the American flag on his knee bored out of
his mind is symbolic of how the USA is going to kick everyone's ass?

.......come on, apdst, put some thought into your reply.

NIOSA

webwarrior didn't asnwer my question, maybe you can? How did Bush
tapping the flag on his knee show disrespect?

Webwarrior may have not, but plenty others have, buy quoting flag
ettequitte. Since that didn't seem to work, let's go to visual
aides.........see the people at the begining of the clip? See how they are
all waving their flag proudly? Is it too much to ask that the leader of the
free world actually act like he has some brains?? Hell, even if he was using
it as a fan, I don't think it would have been so bad, as it would at least
look like he was waving it, instead of tapping it on his knee like it was
nothing........but then what do I expect from someone that tried to walk
though a door that wasn't a door, that he just walked through 10 minutes
before, the last time he was in China......

I honestly have to say, I am shocked by the response of some in this thread
after reading the hot and heavy debates about flag burning and lapel pins.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 10:58 PM

This really isn't a left or right issue, unless you want to admit that the right has a coniption fit everytime they percieve that someone isn't as patriotic as they think they should be........in this case it came back to bite you in the ass, as you now have to defend the one person in the world that should know better.........

::scratches head:: Bush tapping the American flag on his knee bored out of
his mind is symbolic of how the USA is going to kick everyone's ass?

.......come on, apdst, put some thought into your reply.

Webwarrior may have not, but plenty others have, buy quoting flag
ettequitte. Since that didn't seem to work, let's go to visual
aides.........see the people at the begining of the clip? See how they are
all waving their flag proudly? Is it too much to ask that the leader of the
free world actually act like he has some brains?? Hell, even if he was using
it as a fan, I don't think it would have been so bad, as it would at least
look like he was waving it, instead of tapping it on his knee like it was
nothing........but then what do I expect from someone that tried to walk
though a door that wasn't a door, that he just walked through 10 minutes
before, the last time he was in China......

I honestly have to say, I am shocked by the response of some in this thread
after reading the hot and heavy debates about flag burning and lapel pins.

After sifting through your condescending post I came to this conclusion, you view tapping the flag on ones knee equivelent to burning the flag.
I'm not surprised, since it's Bush in question.
I asked webwarrior & you specifically to explain how Bush disrespected the flag, since you both seem to think Bush committed an all out act of treason by tapping the flag on his knee.

Elrathin

08-11-2008, 11:15 PM

I asked webwarrior & you specifically to explain how Bush disrespected the flag, since you both seem to think Bush committed an all out act of treason by tapping the flag on his knee.

So you don't think Bush signing his name on the American Flag is disrespectful?

xLIBREx

08-11-2008, 11:22 PM

So you don't think Bush signing his name on the American Flag is disrespectful?

It's a stupid non-issue just like Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge. These back and forth arguments about stupid bullshit by the left and the right reminds me of kids fighting in the backseat of a car on a long ride.

NIOSA

08-11-2008, 11:37 PM

So you don't think Bush signing his name on the American Flag is disrespectful?

About as much as I think Obama goofed up when he didn't place his hand over his heart. In other words, no, I do not.
But since you asked, how do you feel about the realllly non story on both Obama & Bush? One worse than the other? Notihng to see here, move on? Or just some reallllly bored photographer & reporter looking for something in a relatively quiet place, the Olympics?

apdst

08-12-2008, 12:01 AM

Bush tapping the American flag on his knee bored out of
his mind is symbolic of how the USA is going to kick everyone's ass?

That's right. As he taps the colors on his knee, he's saying under his breath, "we're going to kick your ass, and your ass, and your ass, and we're gonna really kick your ass".

NIOSA

08-12-2008, 12:17 AM

That's right. As he taps the colors on his knee, he's saying under his breath, "we're going to kick your ass, and your ass, and your ass, and we're gonna really kick your ass".

:lmao:
Like the French stood good on their promise of crushing the American relay swim team? :D

Buck Laser

08-12-2008, 12:18 AM

If y'all think this is a non-issue, how come you keep posting on it?

apdst

08-12-2008, 12:20 AM

Like the French stood good on their promise of crushing the American relay swim team?

Yeah...LOL!!! The French never pass up a chance to look like ass holes...LOL!!!

Elrathin

08-12-2008, 12:33 AM

It's a stupid non-issue just like Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge. These back and forth arguments about stupid bullshit by the left and the right reminds me of kids fighting in the backseat of a car on a long ride.

About as much as I think Obama goofed up when he didn't place his hand over his heart. In other words, no, I do not.
But since you asked, how do you feel about the realllly non story on both Obama & Bush? One worse than the other? Notihng to see here, move on? Or just some reallllly bored photographer & reporter looking for something in a relatively quiet place, the Olympics?

Section 8g of the flag code: The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

BTW both Bush and McCain are guilty of this. If this doesn't concern you, then I guess flag burners don't either since that is against flag code unless you are retireing the flag and then it is done under a private ceremony.

So xLibrex and Niosa, I am assuming you have no problems with flag burners right?

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

Now, can you provide me the rules on where you HAVE to put your hand over your heart during the National Anthem? I've provided proof, you've provided opinion.

NIOSA

08-12-2008, 12:54 AM

Section 8g of the flag code: The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

BTW both Bush and McCain are guilty of this. If this doesn't concern you, then I guess flag burners don't either since that is against flag code unless you are retireing the flag and then it is done under a private ceremony.

So xLibrex and Niosa, I am assuming you have no problems with flag burners right?

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

Now, can you provide me the rules on where you HAVE to put your hand over your heart during the National Anthem? I've provided proof, you've provided opinion.

Burning the flag isn't illegal, it's free speech, I believe, law of the land. Abortion is the law, tapping ones knee with the flag isn't iillegal either.
How ya feel about the peace sign being drawn on the American Flag?

Elrathin

08-12-2008, 01:00 AM

Burning the flag isn't illegal, it's free speech, I believe, law of the land. Abortion is the law, tapping ones knee with the flag isn't iillegal either.
How ya feel about the peace sign being drawn on the American Flag?

LOL I just showed you that there are rules to the flag code, there are NO RULES that you have to place your hand over heart for the National Anthem. What Bush and McCain did was wrong. What Obama did was not wrong as there are no rules for that.

Rules does not equate to legal or illegal in all cases.

I never said what Bush and McCain did was illegal, I said it was wrong, There is a difference. There are no rules, however, that state you have to place your hand over your heart while standing for the National Anthem.

To answer your question, I don't think peace signs drawn on the flag is right either. It is legal, but being legal doesn't mean it is right.

I don't approve of flag burners or people that desecrate the flag. I know it is their right to free speech, but I don't have to like it. I just have to accept it is their right to do so. That includes those that use the flag as clothing wear etc.

lily

08-12-2008, 01:07 AM

After sifting through your condescending post I came to this conclusion, you view tapping the flag on ones knee equivelent to burning the flag.

Exactly what was condescending? I stated that many here have posted the rules on the proper way to handle the flag.........I showed you the proper way of waving the flag.

I'm not surprised, since it's Bush in question.

Well, it's him doing it, isn't it?

.......that's ok though..........we're used to him embarrssing our country. Let's give him a free pass, he's almost done doing it.

I asked webwarrior & you specifically to explain how Bush disrespected the flag, since you both seem to think Bush committed an all out act of treason by tapping the flag on his knee.

Now you're just making stuff up.

apdst

08-12-2008, 01:12 AM

I'm flabbergasted at the big deal that the Libbos are making about this.

Elrathin

08-12-2008, 01:14 AM

I'm flabbergasted at the big deal that the Libbos are making about this.

You mean like how conservatives make a big deal out of flag burners and Obama not placing his hand over his heart for the National Anthem (which Obama was not wrong in doing)?

Seems like some conservatives are hypocrites.

AnnEsthesia

08-12-2008, 01:19 AM

Don't forget the flag pin crap.

apdst

08-12-2008, 01:21 AM

You mean like how conservatives make a big deal out of flag burners and Obama not placing his hand over his heart for the National Anthem (which Obama was not wrong in doing)?

And I remember the defensive nashing of the teeth coming from the Left, too. Is this hypocrisy, or just plain stupidity? I mean, if this the best you can do, you should quite while you're behind.

Elrathin

08-12-2008, 01:27 AM

And I remember the defensive nashing of the teeth coming from the Left, too. Is this hypocrisy, or just plain stupidity? I mean, if this the best you can do, you should quite while you're behind.

So then you are ok with flag burners right? After all the flag code means nothing correct?

Seems like some of the conservatives here got caught and are back peddling because it is Bush and McCain that did the violation of the flag code. Legal? Absolutely. Right? Absolutely not.

But there are Republicans and conservatives that will not only vote for someone that violates the flag code, they will vote for someone that treated his first wife like shit such as McCain. Some family and moral values. Hypocrites.

DamnYankee

08-12-2008, 01:52 AM

If y'all think this is a non-issue, how come you keep posting on it?

We're trying to learn leftists something.

DamnYankee

08-12-2008, 02:07 AM

When DF's leftists start b*tching about their friends burning the flag, then I will start condemning Bush for tapping a little toy flag on his knee. Until then the leftists have zero, zip, nada, to whine about.

Elrathin

08-12-2008, 02:09 AM

When DF's leftists start b*tching about their friends burning the flag, ....

I think I did that right here:

To answer your question, I don't think peace signs drawn on the flag is right either. It is legal, but being legal doesn't mean it is right.

I don't approve of flag burners or people that desecrate the flag. I know it is their right to free speech, but I don't have to like it. I just have to accept it is their right to do so. That includes those that use the flag as clothing wear etc.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showpost.php?p=238300&postcount=72

NIOSA

08-12-2008, 05:25 AM

Don't forget the flag pin crap.

Obama won't let us forget about it. First he refuses to wear it then he wears it, then he wears it & an Israeli lapel flag pen together. :lmao:
Obama is such a man of convictions....not.

NIOSA

08-12-2008, 05:27 AM

LOL I just showed you that there are rules to the flag code, there are NO RULES that you have to place your hand over heart for the National Anthem. What Bush and McCain did was wrong. What Obama did was not wrong as there are no rules for that.

Rules does not equate to legal or illegal in all cases.

I never said what Bush and McCain did was illegal, I said it was wrong, There is a difference. There are no rules, however, that state you have to place your hand over your heart while standing for the National Anthem.

To answer your question, I don't think peace signs drawn on the flag is right either. It is legal, but being legal doesn't mean it is right.

I don't approve of flag burners or people that desecrate the flag. I know it is their right to free speech, but I don't have to like it. I just have to accept it is their right to do so. That includes those that use the flag as clothing wear etc.

I don't believe I said that I liked Bush writing on the flag either. I also said this whole thing & the flap about Obama, his wearing the lapel pin or not, & his holding his hand over his heart, Bush tapping his knee, is a whole lot of crap about not much.

Stoner

08-12-2008, 05:31 AM

Obama is such a man of convictions

I prefer unpatriotic liar.

Elrathin

08-12-2008, 05:42 AM

I prefer unpatriotic liar.

And what do you say about McCain and Bush violating Flag Code Stoner? Or are you another conservative that doesn't care about things of the flag code such as writing on the flag or burning it?

NIOSA

08-12-2008, 05:59 AM

I prefer unpatriotic liar.

Well, in all honesty, I do believe that Obama loves what he thinks this country SHOULD be. I mean, isn't he always talking about changing it? I must admit, I think most of the politicians should be changed, him included, but I love the country the way it is. :)
"Politicians are like diapers, smelly & changed often"

NIOSA

08-12-2008, 06:02 AM

And what do you say about McCain and Bush violating Flag Code Stoner? Or are you another conservative that doesn't care about things of the flag code such as writing on the flag or burning it?

Mind if I ask you a question? What have you done in way of trying to change the law on flag burning? Or have you written/called your reps to voice your concern about Bush & McCains "faux pas"? Did you complain about Obamas faux pas? Since burning the flag is not illegal but you seem upset about it, just wondering?

Rage

08-14-2008, 07:57 PM

Rage Source? How do you know what it's made of, ect? Since when does the leader of a nation take a toy flag (there's no such thing, that statement in itself is desecrating our flag) to an international event? So you'd have no problem with a group of protesters spitting and walking on some "toy" flags huh?
Bullshit, it's an American flag or at least represents it (replica, model or whatever, it's still a flag) and you dam well know it. Like I said..if even a private in uniform did that, he'd be court marshalled.

I can't believe that you would equate our flag to a toy car, is there a one neocon that respects something other than big oil and a tax break? Incredible, absolutely incredible!! You'd probably be more offended if he stepped on a dollar.

Bush should be impeached for desecrating our flag. On top of getting millions of innocent people killed by his lies.
The man has always, disgraced and humiliated this country in an international arena, he has the manners and intelligence of a town drunk. (which he is)

I didn't know it was possible to strawman half a sentence, because without the other half it says something else, so I am just going to not respond to that last part.

As for the flag thing, I was guessing. Most people don't make model flags out of silk, and from the looks of it and how it was moving when he shook it I can almost guarantee you it wasn't made out of silk. Sure, I may not know where he got it, but when I see someone driving a hummer I assume its a hummer.

http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB102399.jpg?size=572&uid={A4D26901-091E-4FA4-8C79-7DD0CA989C96}

That is a toy flag, similar in size to the one bush was holding.

http://spiritualoasis.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/american-flag.jpg

That's our flag, and no; I would not have a problem with someone burning a miniature flag like the one bush was holding, they can burn it all day and all knight so long as they buy the flags and the matches from stores in the U.S :) Burning this flag however I might see as offensive, but people have the right to protest. I myself would never burn it.

On top of getting millions of innocent people killed by his lies.
The man has always, disgraced and humiliated this country in an international arena, he has the manners and intelligence of a town drunk. (which he is)

Source? Obviously you have never met the man; I found him to be rather nice and respectful.

Also, a lie is something that you say and at the time know it not to be true. Just because you speculate, and have your own opinion doesn't mean that it is factual.

Just for the record, I could care less (and you should too) about overseas Marxists not liking us. I bet you if we left NATO and the UN everyone would like us all of a sudden and want us back :)

Rage

08-14-2008, 08:01 PM

It's called desecrating..somethiong you probably don't understand, it's like pissing on a grave..
It would be like taxing the rich to a republican, a sacriledge....maybe you can relate to that.

Yeah and we can argue all you want about that, because this is a semantical debate. Good for nothing, and a mere postcount thread.

Dawkinsrocks

08-14-2008, 08:25 PM

Bush stole the election, stole trillions of dollars of the US public to steal oil for himself and his cronies.
He is an embarrassment on the world stage, an alcoholic, a cocaine abuser, a semi-literate, a human rights violator and an intergalactic hypocrite.

Rage

08-14-2008, 08:43 PM

No he isn't :)

Dawkinsrocks

08-14-2008, 08:47 PM

Well argued.

I'm convinced

AlanC

08-14-2008, 08:54 PM

It was a worthy response to the post it reacted to.

Dawkinsrocks

08-14-2008, 10:07 PM

No it wasn't

lily

08-15-2008, 03:54 AM

http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB102399.jpg?size=572&uid={A4D26901-091E-4FA4-8C79-7DD0CA989C96}

That is a toy flag, similar in size to the one bush was holding.

http://spiritualoasis.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/american-flag.jpg

That's our flag, and no; I would not have a problem with someone burning a miniature flag like the one bush was holding, they can burn it all day and all knight so long as they buy the flags and the matches from stores in the U.S :) Burning this flag however I might see as offensive, but people have the right to protest. I myself would never burn it.

Duh.......I don't know why I didn't get this before.......it's the size that counts! Disrespecting little flags is ok, but not bigh waving ones..