Gay is bad

[lovely_girl_brunette]

President George W Bush dont support same sex marriage.believing Homosexualityis not immoral and illegal need is mentally sicked.Who support a man showing himself in public dress like a woman.no matter what a man dress you can't replace a real woman.Aman is always a man and no way you can be a woman.who support this 2 guys going out on a shopping mall,holding hands and kissing lips to lips by the fountain in public places with so many children,ewwwwwwwwwwwwww.Not unless your one of them.I dont want to remain silent same as President GWB.Gay parade sucks!!

[Cobra]

What not all gay guys dress like woman.

Why do people only freak about the gay guys anyway.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it does turn me stomach to see gays holding hands, etc.
2. I don't even want to paint you a picture, because it turns me stomach.
3. Gays are bad, plain and simple.
4. There is no redeeming value of being gay.
5. LGB is correct 100%.
6. Seeing a Gay Pride Parade is the Super Bowl of Shame.
7. Hurts to even think about it.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Who support a man showing himself in public dress like a woman.


Not all gays are cross-dressers. But then since you are still in grade school, we didn't expect you to know that.

[Technocrat]

Christians shouldn't hold hands. CHristianity is stomach-turning. Especially those retarded death-devices they hang around their necks. Christians are the only group I know of that venerates a torture symbol around their necks.

[piratemonkey]

Isn't it interesting the a centerpoint of the Christian religion is the violent torture of their man-god?

[cs0564]

As a Christian I believe all forms of homosexuality are wrong. I do not try to tell anyone what they should or should not do, but in my heart it is sin. Love the sinner, hate the sin. We all do sin each and every day. I hold no anger or anomosity to people who do not believe what I believe like some of the comments on this list.

[underdawg]

Love the sinner, hate the sin is another big line of bullcrap. I don't see Christians going after any of the other sins like adultery, stealing, lying, compared to homosexuality and the veracity that they go after homosexuals. You might not personally tell anyone what they should or should not do, but the right is always trying to make legislation that will try to keep homosexuals from doing what they want to do.

[Technocrat]

I find it bullshit too. You can't separate who someone is from what he does what what he does is intrinsically a part of his personality and character. If someone's a sociopath, there's no reason to like him. He's a sociopath. If someone's gay, and you hate his being gay, you are in effect hating a major part of what and who he is.

Saying you love him but hate what makes him---him, is self-deceiving.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But gays in our face is sad indeed.
2. Being gay isn't who these people are, and I get sick and tired of seeing and hearing these perverts explain to me that's who they are.
3. But no.
4. That's what they do.
4. a) They like humpbacking on other men, or boys.
5. I'm not a heterosexual, that needs to have a Heterosexual Pride Parade.
6. I don't make claims to the effect that I need to be recognized in the school system that what I do, is respectable.
7. A gay person isn't what he does in sexual ways.
8. And to allow them to preach this to me, and others is INSANE, to me.
9. I say they get back into the closet, and shut the F_ck up!
10. I find it INSANE!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[AlonzoMourning23]

I'm not a heterosexual,

Well, you are a republican who hates homosexuals, so I'm not suprised.

[piratemonkey]

Sorry bout that,
1. But gays in our face is sad indeed.
Why don't those black people shut up and stay quiet? :rolleyes:


2. Being gay isn't who these people are, and I get sick and tired of seeing and hearing these perverts explain to me that's who they are.
Don't listen.Â*Â*Turn the channel.Â*Â*Nobody's making you listen.Â*Â*You must want to listen on some level.


5. I'm not a heterosexual,
I guessed this, but didn't want to say anything.


6. I don't make claims to the effect that I need to be recognized in the school system that what I do, is respectable.
Heterosexuals are already recognized by the school system by default.Â*Â*Why don't we use history textbooks from the 1940's that had no mention of African-Americans except in talking about slaves?


7. A gay person isn't what he does in sexual ways.
Wow.Â*Â*Unknowing truth spoken.


8. And to allow them to preach this to me, and others is INSANE, to me.
Screw the First Ammendment!Â*Â*Stop them from talking!


9. I say they get back into the closet, and shut the F_ck up!
I say we put them forcably back in the closet, so you don't have to voluntarily leave the Gay Pride Parade on your television and are 'forced' to listen to their indoctrination for three hours.


10. I find it INSANE!
heh

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But next we will be seeing and hearing about the Beastiality Pride Parades.
2. Where these people who have sexual relations with animals, demanding that they are *Beastialities* and respectable for it.
3. And how they were born wanting to have sexual relationships with pigs and sheeps, horses, donkeys, etc.
4. And getting all up in my face telling me that's who they are.
5. I would say to them no, that's what you do.
6. And it's a sin.
7. And its very sinful.
8. Just like being gay is.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[piratemonkey]

4. And getting all up in my face telling me that's who they are.


Where and when have gays "got up in your face," where you couldn't change the channel or walk away from something you didn't want to see?

Are you hanging out in leather bars again?

[Elrathin]

1. But next we will be seeing and hearing about the Beastiality Pride Parades.SirJamesofTexas


I love it when people use this slippery slope argument because it is proven incorrect time and time again.

Is an animal the same as a human? Is an animal a consenting adult? Does an animal have the capacity to know that it is entering into a contract?

The answer to all is NO. Nice try, but that one has been refuted for over 10 years. Welcome to 1990 Chess.

[Elrathin]

Are you hanging out in leather bars again?


BUSTED :D

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

[edited for personal attacks]

7. I am not trying to convert you, you buds are on your own, as far as I know.
8. And I can hear the beastiality folks saying yourÂ*Â*marginalizing them.
9. They claim your insensitive to their sexual needs.
10. Like I said, gays are not what they do.
11. They are people who sin, and want my approval.
12. I say, Hell No!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

11. They are people who sin, and want my approval.
12. I say, Hell No!


You sin everytime on the internet. Maybe you should be banned as well for your sins right, Because you feel sins should be illegal right?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But that's completely Insane.
2. I am getting rather sick of you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

2. I am getting rather sick of you.



Like I care.

[Elrathin]

2. I am getting rather sick of you.



Like I care sinner.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I wonder how much longer before you get banned.
2. If anyone is a sinner, its you.
3. But you know that already.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But I wonder how much longer before you get banned.
2. If anyone is a sinner, its you.
3. But you know that already.


Ahhhh, someone just is pissed cause they were exposed by Christian values. It is against Christian values to insult and judge. That is the job of GOD, not YOU.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I have been given power to judge both good and EVIL.
2. Being Gay is EVIL.
3. And that's a fact.
4. Like I have already said, Gawd has already set precedence on Gays.
5. They will be sent straight to HELL.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But I have been given power to judge both good and EVIL.


Sorry, but that is a power only god has, even the basic Christian knows that. You are proving yourself to not be a Christian more and more everyday. Please keep it up, EVERYBODY is seeing this.

[underdawg]

Gays wouldn't be in anyones face to begin with if it hadn't been for Christian busy bodies who decide to on their own to worry so much what gays do and make it their business. If you don't want to see the parades, stop going to them. If they are on tv, turn the channel, if gays live together or get married someday, just ignore them and live your own lives. If you don't like gay bars, well just stop going to them. The ONLY reason that gay issues are a big deal, is because CONSERVATIVES make it a big deal. If you just ignore them, you wouldn't even know they were around.

I am not going back in the closet and lying to myself and the world. I am not backing down for no one and plan to live my life the way I want to whether it pisses off Christians or not. If someone slings insults at me, well I can do some slinging myself. You might be the majority, but you are not the only citizens with rights in this country and you are not going to use the Bible to keep homosexuals as second class citizens. So far the US constitution is the supreme law of the land and not the Bible, so whatever prejudice you have against gays, just suck it up, because we are not going away.

[lovely_girl_brunette]

Im so impressed with dawg exposing himself as an open gay..


Personal insults deleted and warning given.

[Technocrat]

Oh no! An open gay? Next thing ya know, they'll be wanting to drink from the non-gay water fountains.

Pfft. Those uppidy fags. :rolleyes:



Disclaimer: no offense meant by the term "fag." I am also gay.

[askates]

Wow

1. i dont never done understood why people who aint educated always seem to talk the most
2. Gays are they way they are, they cant change that,
3 I aint never done no readin
4. NIce philosophy about how gay men hump boys, since the next logical step down from homosexuality is pedofillia, then beastiality, then necrophelia, then probably drag queens.
5. cause it done is
6.Â*Â*all you "straight" guys need to get off all the gay websites, and take your married Di*ks back to church
7. it hurts when i spell
8. you are spouting about how another living creature is disgusting because he is different from you
9 Islamics-(whats that mean?) i know GWB talks about them, them must be gays

[Popwing]

1. i dont never done understood why people who aint educated always seem to talk the most


Welcome aboard askates!

[lily]

Askates........let's take it easy on the personal attacks.......as for the way chesswars posts. I'm going to be blunt here, that is his style. Some people can't stand it, others don't mind it.........but we here at Democracy Forums accept it.......some of us have grown rather fond of it in fact. It's who he is. It defines him. It seperates him from others....you got to admit, it's an eye catcher!

I don't want to crimp your style and I sure don't want chess to change for anyone. So, feel free to debate, but let's keep the attacks at a minimum and not try to make everyone conform. Ok?

Again, welcome to the forums and looking forward to reading more of your posts.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Pure EVIL is being gay.
2. Its strikes at the foundation of creation.
3. Gawd didn't create humans to be attracted to the same sex.
4. He created them to go opposite.
5. There is a very good reason for this.
6. Seems gays have this part of Gawds reasoning left blank in the minds.
7. Unless they learn what they have left blank in their own minds, they will some day find themselves spinning in HELL.
7.a) Gays have purposefully ignored a important moral law, to pervert their life, with gayness.
8. It is a fact, just trying to help.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

3. Gawd didn't create humans to be attracted to the same sex.
4. He created them to go opposite.



If the almighty is as powerful as you say he is, if he didn't want gays, there wouldn't be gays. You just give more and more evidence to support there is no god or that whatever god (or gods) doesn't care if someone is gay. Thank you for that.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But this is the part of the brain gays need to look at.
2. Seeing that you say, "Hey we're gay, so if Gawd didn't want this then he could stop it, if he's Gawd".
3. It writes itself.
4. Oh and your very welcome.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But this is the part of the brain gays need to look at.
2. Seeing that you say, "Hey we're gay, so if Gawd didn't want this then he could stop it, if he's Gawd".
3. It writes itself.


So as usual, you yet again prove my point. If god didn't want gays there wouldn't BE any gays. PERIOD.

[piratemonkey]

Sorry bout that,

1. Pure EVIL is being gay.

A person who hurts nobody is "Pure EVIL" because he was born with a congenital trait he had no choice in.

That idea is disgusting and unamerican.

The thing is, you don't believe that.Â*Â*How do I know?
If they are "Pure EVIL," why haven't we locked them up?Â*Â*If they are "Pure EVIL," and you really believe that, why aren't you out there pushing for deportation, confinement or just capital punishment?Â*Â*You're willing to allow "Pure EVIL" to exist in the world and not do everything in your power to prevent or destroy it?

Why not?Â*Â*Because you don't really believe that, or you don't follow what you believe.

The term for this is cognative dissonance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Either you don't believe what you say you believe or you aren't following your own beliefs.Â*Â*Typical for conservatives, but most people know that by now.Â*Â*

(Hint: It's why you are losing this election season.)

[underdawg]

One would think if being gay were such pure evil as you say, then God would have remembered to add it to his top ten commandments, Thou shalt not be a homosexual.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it is Evil.
2. I can not change that.
3. There is no one that can.
4. Its like water is wet.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Technocrat]

1. But it's not evil
2. You can think it, but reality disagrees
3. There's no one who can change that
4. It's like the living not being dead.

What's actually immoral is your disgusting religion.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I don't set down the rules of Gawd, I just support them.
2. It is a sour pill to swallow, but that's how it is.
3. At times I surprise myself.
4. Unless I am mistaken, which isn't possible, because I agree with Gawd.
5. It could get rather difficult for gays to die, better that they never die it would seem.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But I don't set down the rules of Gawd, I just support them.

If GOD disagreed with it, why isn't it in the ten commandments? Oh yeah, you only interpret what you WANT to.

[lily]

5. It could get rather difficult for gays to die, better that they never die it would seem.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Interesting point you're making here, chess. It's about time you saw the light!

[Technocrat]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I don't set down the rules of Gawd, I just support them.
2. It is a sour pill to swallow, but that's how it is.
3. At times I surprise myself.
4. Unless I am mistaken, which isn't possible, because I agree with Gawd.
5. It could get rather difficult for gays to die, better that they never die it would seem.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


1. God is wrong
2. No wait, he doesn't exist, so you're bullshitting on what God said
3. Yes, appeals to your imaginary friend are a sour swallow.
4. You are mistaken, since God doesn't exist, and God is wrong anyway if he did.

[CheesyMuslim]

Interesting point you're making here, chess. It's about time you saw the light!




Sorry bout that,

1. But Lily I am not gay.
2. And you should of been able to figure that out.
3. I do see the light, that's why I am here, to share it.
4. Being gay is far worse than being a sinner.
5. Being gay is and always was an abomination to Gawd.
6. That being said, by I the highly trained Conservative Republican Political and Biblical Adviser.
7. Pretty much puts the cherry on the top of this thread.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

4. Being gay is far worse than being a sinner.
5. Being gay is and always was an abomination to Gawd.


Funny, it's not listed in the ten commandments. I wonder why? Oh yeah, cause it's BS that it is worse than being a sinner.

You're own religion proves you wrong, now THAT'S funny :)

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But what's going to be funny, is when the gays appear in-front of Gawd, and say,*You didn't say being gay was bad, or an abomination, because you didn't list it in the Ten Commandments*
2. I for one will find that hilarious bud.
3. When the created make the rules, gays will be safe from judgement.
4. Until then, which will never happen, expect the worst.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But what's going to be funny, is when the gays appear in-front of Gawd, and say,*You didn't say being gay was bad, or an abomination, because you didn't list it in the Ten Commandments*


Who's Gawd? I know of God, but not Gawd. :D

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But you really got nuttin huh bud?
2. Man that's gotta hurt bad.
3. Oh well.
4. You have tanked bud, sorry bout that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But you really got nuttin huh bud?
2. Man that's gotta hurt bad.
3. Oh well.
4. You have tanked bud, sorry bout that.


You have no proof, no evidence, and you were finished the minute you started listing everything in a Davide Letternman Top Ten list form on this board.

I've proven that everything you have said is nothing but partisan BS.

You lost the day you got here. Thanks for playing though.

[askates]

A Study of Homosexuality and the BibleÂ*Â*
Homosexuality and the Scripture
A Biblically Based Study on Homosexuality in the Bible
The purpose of writing this document was threefold: 1) to understand for myself what the original Hebrew and Greek texts state concerning homosexuality, 2) to compile a concise, to the point, biblically based study, and 3) to share this information with anyone that wants to learn the truth, walk in greater love and more in Christ.
2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
John 8:32 You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

The original Hebrew and Greek texts were studied for the purposes of this document. The Hebrew and Greek words were not included in this document because most PCs and printers do not have the corresponding fonts loaded and the results would have been illegible.
Old Testament
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. ASV

Correct Hebrew translation: "and with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination".


It can be seen that, rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur. Culturally, a woman's bed was her own. Other than the woman herself, only her husband was permitted in her bed, and there were even restrictions on when he was allowed in there. Any other use of her bed would have been considered defilement. Other verses in the Law will help clarify the acceptable use of the woman's bed.


Leviticus 20:13

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. KJV


Correct Hebrew translation: "And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them.


Again it can be seen that, rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur. Culturally, a woman's bed was her own. Other than the woman herself, only her husband was permitted in her bed, and there were even restrictions on when he was allowed in there. Any other use of her bed would have been considered defilement. Other verses in the Law will help clarify the acceptable use of the woman's bed.


I Samuel 18

1 Sam 18:3-4 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle. KJV


In this passage it speaks of an "immediate bond of love", their souls being "in unison," their souls being "knit". Genesis 2:7, as written in the original Hebrew, describes how God blew the spirit into the body of Adam that God had formed from earth, so that Adam became a living soul. This means that "soul", in the ancient Israelite times and in the Old Testament Hebrew, represents a combination of body and spirit. Thus the two men appear to have loved each other both physically and spiritually. I Samuel 18:3-4 also tell us that Jonathan and David made a covenant, and that, to seal the covenant, Jonathan took off all the things he was wearing and gave them to David. The things he took off tell us a lot about the covenant itself. He took off his sword and bow and gave them to David, signifying that he intended to protect David. But it went further than that. By taking off all his clothes, he signified a much deeper and more intense relationship. Had this not been the start of a physical, sexual relationship, Jonathan's actions would have been considered bizarre indeed, by the standards of their day, or ours.4


1 Sam 18:21 And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law a second time. ASV

1 Sam 18:21 And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son in law in the one of the twain. KJV
Notice that "the one of" is in italics in the KJV. That means they are not found in the Hebrew text. In fact, they are not even hinted at in the Hebrew text. Adding them completely changed the meaning of the verse. Verse 21 proves that Jonathan and David's covenant was a marriage covenant, and that Saul recognized the marriage, since, beside Michal, David had no marriage covenant with any of Saul's other children. Although he was supposed to marry Saul's daughter Merab, that never happened. Therefore, the only two of Saul's children he had covenants with were Jonathan and Michal. Just as a point of information, Hebrew has no word for "son-in-law". The Hebrew word used in the verse is a verb which means "to be related by marriage". Since Saul used the verb in connection with David's impending marriage to Michal, it is clear that the relationship he referred to was indeed son-in-law.

to read the rest
http://pages.prodigy.net/evlewis51/_wsn/page7.html

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it is sad to see your debate end in tired attacks.
2. Maybe some one else can proxy for you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

1. But it is sad to see your debate end in tired attacks.


Tired attacks? All you do is attack, you never debate. When asked for proof, you never provide it. When asked for evidence you never provide it. It's not an attack on you. You don't debate, you just throw out laundry lists with "nuh-uh, I'm right" reponses. My 4-year old neice debates better than that.

Again, you lost the minute you got here.

[Technocrat]

It's hilarious. He never actually debates anything. He merely quotes an authority, repeates himself, and ad hominems. There's zero logic in his argument, and he actually thinks numbering his posts in order constitutes reasoning.

[askates]

http://pages.prodigy.net/evlewis51/_wsn/page7.html

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But askates, that link is hogwash feller.
2. Re-write the Bible, it won't help your cause.
3. You are wrong.
4. Sorry bout that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

sorry chesswars,
but you christians are the ones that rewrote the bible, ask king james about that one

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But your translation I have never ever read before.
2. It in fact is outrageous.
3. You can not pawn off on a highly trained Biblical Scholar that kind of hogwash.
4. Won't float here bud.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

[quote=chesswarsnow]


1. But your translation I have never ever read before.


thats the original hebrew translation, before it was translated (and changed) into english, a biblical scholar would know that
do you believe the original words of god, or the words that were changed by humans.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But do not make me lol!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Careful askates, if you get chess mad he may throw out l33t speak at you in a list. :D

[askates]

chesswars, have you ever considered channeling your this hatred into something constructive, think of the example you are setting for your child, even if thats what you truely believe, do you want your kid to have the same burden of carrying around such anger, imagine life without prejudice- it is important to want your child to be as happy as possible, and that kind of contempt for other human beings is a recipe for unhappiness. Just curious, have you known a gay person, what if your child is gay? would you still be able to say these things to your child? if you ever do, you may see firsthand the destruction that your words could carry

[AlonzoMourning23]

He'd probably do what Randall Terry did. That's the great family values leader (the one who founded operation rescue) who disowned his gay son and cut off contact with his daughters when they got pregnant out of wedlock.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you want to convert me, you are barking up the wrong tree.
2. Might as well try pushing up on a rope.
3. I don't follow the crowd anywhere.
4. I seem to be the only one here who accepts Gawds word about how he feels about gays.
5. But I do not mind being alone in this endeavor, its an honor to stand with Gawd on the truth itself.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[askates]

im not trying to convert you, i'm asking what if your kid is gay?

[Elrathin]

4. I seem to be the only one here who accepts Gawds word about how he feels about gays.
5. But I do not mind being alone in this endeavor, its an honor to stand with Gawd on the truth itself.


Who is the GAWD you keep speaking of?

[askates]

all i can think of is ,gawd you look fabulous!!!

[lily]

[quote=lily]

[quote]1. But Lily I am not gay.
2. And you should of been able to figure that out.

Chesswars........I was not accusing you of being gay. I was showing my surprise and happiness in your wishing gays a happy, healthful and long live. Most people that hold your point of view, just wish they would die and be done with it.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lily, er, I was saying that gays should not die, because when they do they will have to stand in-front of Gawd.
2. Who then after they have died, will have to be sent into the place of eternal torments.
3. I don't wish that upon any one, but Gawd has spoken.
4. That's why I expressed that they had better learn how not to die.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Chess.......I think I like it better the way I interpreted it.;)

[BoogyMan]

Most people that hold your point of view, just wish they would die and be done with it.


This is an intentional misrepresentation of those who are against homosexuality, Lily. Consider the following:

A biased sample is one that is falsely taken to be typical of a population from which it is drawn. Someone saying "Everyone liked that movie!" might not mention that the "everyone" was them and three of their friends, or a group of the star's fans.

Online and call-in polls are particularly at risk of this error, because the respondents are self-selected. At best, this means the people who care most about an issue will answer; at worst, people listening to a particular radio host, or on a political mailing list, flood the poll.

[Elrathin]

Well according to Chess he speaks for the whole of conservatives. Just ask him ;)

[lily]

Most people that hold your point of view, just wish they would die and be done with it.


This is an intentional misrepresentation of those who are against homosexuality, Lily.Â*Â*Consider the following:

A biased sample is one that is falsely taken to be typical of a population from which it is drawn. Someone saying "Everyone liked that movie!" might not mention that the "everyone" was them and three of their friends, or a group of the star's fans.

Online and call-in polls are particularly at risk of this error, because the respondents are self-selected. At best, this means the people who care most about an issue will answer; at worst, people listening to a particular radio host, or on a political mailing list, flood the poll.



Fair enough. I'll change it then.

Chess.......I find it surprising. I thought your point of view was I just wish they would die and be done with it.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I don't wish death on gays directly.
2. That isn't my job.
3. They are bringing death upon themselves thou.
4. Because death revolves around abominations.
5. They can't stand, not for long.
6. AIDS supports that statement.
7. It is rampant in the gays community.
8. All over the world.
9. And being permissive to it, can cost you your life as well.
10. Bringing it into your reality.
11. With a random exposure, or some slip of a needle.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

Well according to Chess he speaks for the whole of conservatives. Just ask him ;)


Just like you speak for all liberals?

[lily]

No, that would be me.:D

[Elrathin]

Just like you speak for all liberals?


Show me where I claimed to speak for all liberals.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I didn't said that, I, the highly trained Conservative Republican Political/Biblical Adviser, spoke for all Conservative Republicans.
2. Now did I El?
3. But I am a trend setter for the whole Party.
4. Everything I say and do filters its way into the collective conciseness of the Conservative Republican Party.
5. If you took my words and cross reference them within the Republican Party, you will see just how much I, CWN do in-fact affect the Party in every way, with every thought and Political Principle, I come up with.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[preservanation]

style and substance. The Chessman is the whole package, baby!

PS. Nice to see you graduated to the goose egg, CWN! In the black again.

[DANG]

Nothing is more satanic than hate.

[preservanation]

That's awful derogatory to all the Satanists out there.
One might question your tolerance of others.

[DANG]

That's awful derogatory to all the Satanists out there.
One might question your tolerance of others. Hmmm, are you saying Satanists would not be proud of the fact? Love/Hate cannot co-exist, right? Or does everything contain its opposite? (By everything I mean, including God) Is God pure good?

PS. Nice to see you graduated to the goose egg, CWN! In the black again.
hmmm, I havent voted yet.
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Just kidding.... I havent
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...anyone yet. And I doubt I ever will.

Even when I got one, I did not retalliate in kind.
(prolly why he retracted it)

[preservanation]

DANG:Even when I got one, I did not retalliate in kind.
(prolly why he retracted it) That's actually kind of saddens me. I mean it.

Congress sure wishes they had the same opportunity to retract their votes;)

[DANG]

You christo-fascists seem to be proud of the fact that you HATE, certain groups that dont happen to think or act or look like you.
Am I correct?

What about your imperfections? Does God HATE you for them??

Or does he have unconditional love for you? Are you jealous of your siblings (Yes, we are all siblings. Like it or not.)... that your Father may love them just as much as you.... Are your sins really that much BETTER than theirs?

[preservanation]

DANG:You christo-fascists seem to be proud of the fact that you HATE, certain groups that dont happen to think or act or look like you.
Am I correct?Man, easy.
Your behaving contradictory.

What about your imperfections? Does God HATE you for them?? No I believe he loves me precisely because of my imperfections.


Or does he have unconditional love for you? Are you jealous of your siblings (Yes, we are all siblings. Like it or not.)... that your Father may love them just as much as you.... Are your sins really that much BETTER than theirs? This sounds like a question more directed at yourself than at anyone else on this thread.

Find a mirror

[DANG]

You christo-fascists seem to be proud of the fact that you HATE, certain groups that dont happen to think or act or look like you.
Am I correct?Man, easy.
Your behaving contradictory.Because I called you a name? When you condemn a huge sector of the population based largely on Old Testament tenets, ... "beware what measure ye mete"
Do you realize you will go to HELL if you dont stone your own children to death, for disobeying you. Thats right, if you DONT murder your kids, all of them, you will go to the same place you want the Gays to go. Careful now. It is written.

What about your imperfections? Does God HATE you for them?? No I believe he loves me precisely because of my imperfections.Source?
Then by that rationale, there is no need for Christ. Correct?
You just rendered your own religion, useless.
Or does he have unconditional love for you? Are you jealous of your siblings (Yes, we are all siblings. Like it or not.)... that your Father may love them just as much as you.... Are your sins really that much BETTER than theirs? This sounds like a question more directed at yourself than at anyone else on this thread.

Find a mirrorIs that because you are without sin? Since when? When was the last time you sinned?
Or, are you arguing the quality of your sins is so petty, they could be broadcast on the evening news?

[DANG]

So, we are back at "Nothing is more satanic than hate"

Hate is a choice.
Sin is a choice.
Doing good works is a choice

Being Heterosexual is not a choice.
Being Homosexual is not a choice.

God will not damn you for the genes he has dealt you.
That would be Evil.

[preservanation]

None of what you say is proven fact.
Have you isolated the "gay gene" in your basement?

[Saigio]

None of what you say is proven fact.
Have you isolated the "gay gene" in your basement?


Fine. prove that homosexuality is not a choice with an unbiased site.

[DANG]

I dont know if it is a singular gene as you imply, or a combination of genes and serotonin levels. Homosexuality is not one of my main interests. I am not gay, but I am opposed to all forms of bigotry, stereotypes, and discrimination. There is more likely a defect in haters...than in those who are hated.

I am not a genetic physicist, but I understand there is a measure of difficulty in identifying/connecting subtle behaviors and specific genes.

There are also a lot of homophobes and bi-sexuals who are not gay, merely because they havent performed the actual act. Yet.
One of the best ironies occurs when a man actually becomes what he hates.... At once comedic and tragic. (Check out "Edmund" with William H Macy, Joe Montegna, Denise Richards humma, na humina, Mena Suvari, Julia Stiles)

Homosexuality is also common in the animal kingdom (as if we werent part of that ;))...is it immoral when fruit flies do it? Time Magazine reported on some extra fruity fruit flies who could not be bothered by nearby females when they were involved in circle jerks composed of 5 or more males:
PBS Frontline (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html)

Time magazine has taken up the story in a dramatic feature entitled "Search for a Gay Gene"[5] --of homosexuality's origins being revealed in the lowly fruit fly, Drosophila.[6] Males and females of this, one has to admit, rather distant relation adopt courtship behavior that has led two researchers at the US National Institutes of Health to draw extravagant parallels with human beings.

Shang-Ding Zhang and Ward F. Odenwald found that what they took to be homosexual behavior among male fruit flies--touching male partners with forelegs, licking their genitalia, and curling their bodies to allow genital contact--could be induced by techniques that abnormally activated a gene called w (for "white," so called because of its effect on eye color). Widespread activation (or "expression") of the white gene in Drosophila produced male-to-male rituals that took place in chains or circles of five or more flies. If female fruit flies lurked nearby, male flies would only rarely be tempted away from their male companions. These findings, which have apparently been reproduced by others, have led the investigators to conclude that "w misexpression has a profound effect on male sexual behavior."
In the same article there is a physical difference in the size of a region of the brain: In August 1991, LeVay, a neuroscientist who now directs the Institute of Gay and Lesbian Education in southern California, published in the magazine Science findings from autopsies of men and women of known sexual preference. He found that a tiny region in the center of the brain--the interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH) 3--was, on average, substantially smaller in nineteen gay men who died from AIDS than among sixteen heterosexual men.[7]

The observation that the male brain could take two different forms, depending on one's sexual preference, was a stunning discovery. The hypothalamus-a small, intricate mass of cells lying at the base of the brain-was long believed to have a role in sexual behavior, but direct evidence that it did so was weak. Yet LeVay expressed caution. Although his data showed that human sexual preference "is amenable to study at the biological level," he noted that it was impossible to be certain whether the anatomical differences between the brains of gay and straight men were a cause or a consequence of their preference.[8]Inconclusive perhaps, but should they be demonized and treated as 2nd class citizens... because they are physically different?

Some day we may find a reason to deny the right for HATERS to marry, rather than gays. It would be a better world, Haters breed little haters. Homosexuals dont breed at all.

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Dont underestimate the power of hormones.... they are proof-positive that we are nature driven.

I took an ethics class last fall, my studies made some things very clear:

For over 30 years now, both the American Psychiatric Association (1973) and the American Psychological Association (1975) have stopped calling homosexuality a mental illness. Since then, they have been treating the problems of homosexuals, rather than their sexual orientation. (Paraphrase: From page 270 of Issues and Ethics in the Helping Professions ISBN # 0534187625)

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If your marriage is so fragile, that it is jeopardized by what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes miles away from you or even next door.... your marriage is a flighty venture to begin with and not the sacred union you pretend.

[DANG]

Are you aware that a woman has a small penis?

The ubiquitous little "Man in the Boat".

If you touch it ... does that make you gay?

[Saigio]

None of what you say is proven fact.
Have you isolated the "gay gene" in your basement?


Fine. prove that homosexuality is not a choice with an unbiased site.


Crap. I meant to ask for proof as to how it is a choice. That'll teach me to post late at night when I'm eshausted...

[Viki]

None of what you say is proven fact.
Have you isolated the "gay gene" in your basement?


Fine. prove that homosexuality is not a choice with an unbiased site.


Crap. I meant to ask for proof as to how it is a choice. That'll teach me to post late at night when I'm eshausted...


Ooooh, OK, I'm brand new as of this morning, and I love standing at the edge of cliffs, so I think I'll "choose" this as my very first "real" post (I said a couple howdys in the Intro thread).

I'm a lesbian ... :D well, aren't we all glad I got THAT outta my system; I also happen to be a religious (very) professional (so parse that one ...), sooooo I have lots of opinions about this sort of thing ...

And one opinion I have is that I do have a choice about with whom I partner and I long ago got over feelin' any PC guilt about that.

No, I'm not hetero or bi, my preference is clearly and distinctly for female partners, but I've had the other kind :) and it ain't all bad, which leads me to believe I DO have a choice. So, I choose.

Do I, though, think all folks have a similar "choice?" No, clearly not. I've got both gay and lesbian friends who, upon pain of death, could never make a choice.

What do I conclude from all of this (I should probably also add that I'm a developmental geneticist, so I could argue this thing from that end too, but not today)?

That being lesbian or gay, like almost all human behavior I can think of, falls along a spectrum of possibilities.

Still, that doesn't seem to be the "real" issue on this one... does it?

[preservanation]

HI Viki.
God bless you and I hope you maintain happiness.
Let us unite not divide.

[JohnM81]

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. ASV

Correct Hebrew translation: "and with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination".


Leviticus 20:13

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. KJV


Correct Hebrew translation: "And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them.

I Samuel 18

1 Sam 18:3-4 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle. KJV




Starting out I would like to say hello to everyone I just joined this forum. This is quite the interesting conversation. I didn't feel compelled to add to it until I saw your post. I am sorry to tell you that the source you are using for the "correct" translation is in fact incorrect. Lets examine this a bit closer shall we?


"Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Correct Hebrew translation: "and with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination"."

This is not correct, here is the verses transliteration"

-Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. (English)
-shakab zakar mishkab 'ishshah tow`ebah (OT Hebrew)

shakab (verb, qal tense) - shalt not lie (of sexual relations)
zakar (adj/male noun) - male of humans and animals
mishkab (male noun) - as with lying down (for sexual contact)
'ishshah (feminine noun) - woman, wife, female
tow`ebah (feminine noun) - a disgusting thing, abomination

The transliteration for bed is:
mittah (feminine noun)

This word doesn't show up in the verse. Your source is wrong the verse doesn't even speak to the issue of location.





"Leviticus 20:13

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. KJV

Correct Hebrew translation: "And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them."


This again is wrong. Here is the correct translation:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

'iysh shakab zakar mishkab 'ishshah shanayim `asah tow`ebah muwth muwth dam

Again, the word bed (mittah) doesn't exist in the old hebrew. The english translation I gave above is correct. Your source is wrong on this.



"I Samuel 18

1 Sam 18:3-4 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle."

It is your sources assumption (or agenda) that assumes that love and covenant is of the same type that a man and a woman share and not one that might be made between friends and not sexual in nature. But in the end its a moot point. David had commited many sins in his life none of which means the bible/God endorse that behavior.