Obama Shows Weakness in Georgia

[Stoner]

In the first real time foreign policy crisis to take place after the primary elections, we find Barack Obama appeasing Russian imperialism. Obama said he strongly condemned “the outbreak of violence in George” and urged “an immediat end to armed conflict.” He said “now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint and to avoid an escalation into full scale war.” He called for direct talks and urged that Georgia’s “territorial integrity…be respected.”

McCain told it like it is noting that “Russian military forces crossed an internationally recognized border into the sovereign territory of Georga.” He called for Russia to “immediately and unconditionally cease its military operations” and pull out its forces.

The difference is huge. Some appeasers are saying that Georgia, not Russia was the first to send in tanks to South Ossetia. They say this was provacative. But when the Russians made trouble on the border, Georgia was right to send in tanks to its own territory to defend it. Then when the Russians attacked in force, McCain rightly called in an invasion while Obama spoke as if there was a mutuality of blame.

This is such a good indication of why McCain must be president and not Obama.



http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/08/09/obama-shows-weakness-in-georgia/

[ECW]

Dick Morris has turds for brains and every time he opens his mouth more shit comes out.

[Drocket]

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/08/09/obama-shows-weakness-in-georgia/

Yes, yes, we all know how much it annoys you that Obama is a sane and rational person.

[conservative]

Dick Morris has turds for brains and every time he opens his mouth more shit comes out.

So that explains why he helped get Clinton elected twice...he had a constipated brain when he was a liberal...now that he has become a conservative all that Liberal shit that is in his head is starting to work its way loose...

[bishop]

i get the feeling, though, that obama may be seen as weak by some of the more nefarious foreign rulers/leaders... not that i believe we need to involve ourselves in this matter, but i also worry about having a president that isn't taken seriously when it comes to these types of issues.

despite my total disappointment in bush's presidency, one thing that foreign leaders knew was that he wouldn't hesitate to use our military when push comes to shove. there is some truth to the notion that some people only respect power.

mccain and obama seem to have reached the same conclusion over the issue of georgia, although mccain reached his conclusion earlier and with more resolution imo. gives me some insight into what could happen if the proverbial 3am emergency phone call scenario occurred.

[Stoner]

So that explains why he helped get Clinton elected twice...he had a constipated brain when he was a liberal...now that he has become a conservative all that Liberal shit that is in his head is starting to work its way loose...

I love how the libbies loved guys like Dick Morris and Joe Lieberman when they were with their party. Now that they've smartened up and talk about libbies in an honest manner, they all of a sudden hate them.

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y!!!!!

And save the, "I never liked them, I always hated them" bullshit for the moveon/Kos crowd. No one with an IQ of more than 7 believes that garbage.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

Er...a flat statement by a candidate for president about what Russia should do, with no teeth at all to back up his demand is less weak than Obama's plea that they cease fighting and talk to one another?

I don't think Obama's statement suggests weakness...just lacks the arrogance of McCain. Neither statement is coming from a position of "strength".

[IndieVisible]

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/08/09/obama-shows-weakness-in-georgia/

There is no question Obama's inexperience will show. McCain has years on him in that respect, and I admire he's tough talk to Russia. I'm hoping Obama gets tougher, I some how doubt it. He is looking more and more a wimp as the months go by! Talk about buyers remorse. Hillary had more balls then Obama.

But I wonder what Nader's response was to this?

"Who? What? Where? Oh them! I wish they wouldn't do that. Some one should tell them to stop!" :lmao:

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

McCain has years on him in that respect, and I admire he's tough talk to Russia.

But, you have to admit that it just is talk... And the Russians certainly know this, too...as well as McCain, himself.

[IndieVisible]

But, you have to admit that it just is talk... And the Russians certainly know this, too...as well as McCain, himself.

You really believe this? No I'm sure McCain would back his words as much as he could. Would certainly be no walk in the park with Democratic control and America's distaste for war. I don't blame the people. We were stuck in a really stupid war and they are now tired of conflicts. But yea I think McCain Bomb Bomb Iran means what he says to Russia. Whether he can deliver is another question outside his power.

[ECW]

So that explains why he helped get Clinton elected twice...he had a constipated brain when he was a liberal...now that he has become a conservative all that Liberal shit that is in his head is starting to work its way loose...

Despite your wishing to the contrary, Dick Shit For Brains Morris was NEVER a Liberal and was hated by Liberals as he was filling Clinton's brain with his stupid rightwing garbage. He's a rightwing bottom feeder thru and thru that Clinton brought on board to deal with the scum suckers who were trashing him and his family during the 1990's. Fighting fire with fire, as it were.

I'm not going to bother showing you how many times this dumbfuck got up on his soapbox to spew his so-called knowledge only to have events unfold and prove him wrong again and again and again.

This time is no different.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

You really believe this? No I'm sure McCain would back his words as much as he could. Would certainly be no walk in the park with Democratic control and America's distaste for war. I don't blame the people. We were stuck in a really stupid war and they are now tired of conflicts. But yea I think McCain Bomb Bomb Iran means what he says to Russia. Whether he can deliver is another question outside his power.

I absolutely believe this. McCain isn't president but a candidate. He has absolutely no means to carry out any kind of threat and the Russians know it.

Even if he does become president, much of our forces are committed elsewhere...especially if McCain wants to go through with his mantra of "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran".... As you admit, the people of the US are also war-weary... I think Russia is damn safe from attack from the US...even if McCain were president and somewhat able to carry out any kind of threat. And I absolutely believe that Russia and McCain are keenly aware of these facts.

If anything, I think taking the hard stance that McCain does, when you aren't in a position of strength, simply turns countries like Russia off from the arrogance of the US. It's like Bush when he decried China's human rights record... It's arrogant and hypocritical and in terms of fostering a conversation, counter-productive.

[xLIBREx]

Obama's response came a full day later than McCain's. I guess that answers who will be up at 3 am to answer the phone? Keep in mind, Obama has 200!! Yes, 200!! foreign policy advisors, most of whom never have met Obama. They basically throw their ideas into a giant pot and then a few Obama inner-circle handlers pick which one for Obama to go with. I think it's fairly clear to any rational person Obama is not fit to lead this nation. Sadly, McCain is only better by the most razor thin of margins, but given the choice between a 2nd degree burn and 3rd degree burn I am picking the 2nd degree burn.

[bishop]

mccain's initial response was good, but afterwards the senile old man suggested that russia should be kicked out of the g8 for this.. i'm not sure that such a statement was appropriate at the moment, as it only worsens our already poor relations with russia. (unless we want to have another cold war..)

[xLIBREx]

Imagine how pissed off China must be right now with Russia taking this action right at the start of the Olympics. Imagine, America and China in a war against Russia? HOLY SHIT!

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

Imagine, America and China in a war against Russia? HOLY SHIT!

I imagine that you are just drooling over the possibility...

[IndieVisible]

Imagine how pissed off China must be right now with Russia taking this action right at the start of the Olympics. Imagine, America and China in a war against Russia? HOLY SHIT!

I would be thrilled beyond words!

[xLIBREx]

I imagine that you are just drooling over the possibility...

Why would you say that? We spend a trillion dollars a year maintaining our empire and it's killing us (along with the $1.5T a year we already spend on socialism). Don't think that just because someone doesn't support Obama they are pro-war. If you think in stereotypes it will only get you in trouble.

[Stoner]

But, you have to admit that it just is talk... And the Russians certainly know this, too...as well as McCain, himself.

You're confusing idle talk with tough talk. Big difference. Look at that fucktard Carter and the hostage situation. Carter had absolutely no testicles to speak of and everyone knew it. No leader took him seriously. He tried and tried to get the hostages freed without success. Reagan took over, told them what would happen if they weren't released and guess what? Hostages released.

It's the person talking that makes the difference.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

You're confusing idle talk with tough talk. Big difference. Look at that fucktard Carter and the hostage situation. Carter had absolutely no testicles to speak of and everyone knew it. No leader took him seriously. He tried and tried to get the hostages freed without success. Reagan took over, told them what would happen if they weren't released and guess what? Hostages released.

It's the person talking that makes the difference.

In this case, McCain's "tough talk" is idle...and everyone knows it.

The person that made the "tough talk" is in no position to do anything.

[IndieVisible]

Why would you say that? We spend a trillion dollars a year maintaining our empire and it's killing us (along with the $1.5T a year we already spend on socialism). Don't think that just because someone doesn't support Obama they are pro-war. If you think in stereotypes it will only get you in trouble.

Well said. I support Obama and support war. I find a lot of people here are only able to think along party lines. I call that followers. They wouldn't dream of saying something that sounded too conservative or too liberal. I just hate such generalization.

[xLIBREx]

Well said. I support Obama and support war. I find a lot of people here are only able to think along party lines. I call that followers. They wouldn't dream of saying something that sounded too conservative or too liberal. I just hate such generalization.

People that toe party lines generally tend to think that everyone else does as well.

I guess I am an outcast to both sides of the aisle though. I am an extreme social liberal and an extreme financial conservative. My underlying principle is freedom; you either believe in it, or you don't and to say that economic freedom is any different than social freedom is simply arbitrary. Otherwise, you are just fighting over which part of the Constitution you want to rape.

[conservative]

Despite your wishing to the contrary, Dick Shit For Brains Morris was NEVER a Liberal and was hated by Liberals as he was filling Clinton's brain with his stupid rightwing garbage. He's a rightwing bottom feeder thru and thru that Clinton brought on board to deal with the scum suckers who were trashing him and his family during the 1990's. Fighting fire with fire, as it were.

I'm not going to bother showing you how many times this dumbfuck got up on his soapbox to spew his so-called knowledge only to have events unfold and prove him wrong again and again and again.

This time is no different.

Right...:madlaugh: Morris was a consevative undercover...

[December]

What do you mean by weakness?

[apdst]

Dick Morris has turds for brains and every time he opens his mouth more shit comes out.

Is that why he was the driving force behind Bill Clinton getting elected for two terms?

[lily]

Imagine how pissed off China must be right now with Russia taking this action right at the start of the Olympics. Imagine, America and China in a war against Russia? HOLY SHIT!


Why would China be pissed off? Russia and China are allies.......and despite what they did......it was brilliat stategy to do it on the first day of the Olympics when all the dignitaries were out of the country and the media was focused on opening day.


Stoner Quote:


You're confusing idle talk with tough talk. Big difference. Look at that fucktard Carter and the hostage situation. Carter had absolutely no testicles to speak of and everyone knew it. No leader took him seriously. He tried and tried to get the hostages freed without success. Reagan took over, told them what would happen if they weren't released and guess what? Hostages released.

You think they were release on the day Reagan took office, because of tough talk????

[DamnYankee]

Obama Shows Weakness in Georgia

I wouldn't expect Obama to speak out against fellow Marxists.

[Wndrtch]

Dick Morris has turds for brains and every time he opens his mouth more shit comes out.

Insults for Dick, and no thought-provoking response to the charges.

I thought we were supposed to be above that sort of thing?

[Wndrtch]

Er...a flat statement by a candidate for president about what Russia should do, with no teeth at all to back up his demand is less weak than Obama's plea that they cease fighting and talk to one another?

I don't think Obama's statement suggests weakness...just lacks the arrogance of McCain. Neither statement is coming from a position of "strength".

A position of strength, would be 10,000 marines in Turkey, on the Georgian boarder!

We know Obama won't do that, not now, not ever.

[DamnYankee]

When a non democracy invades a democracy, one would think there would be strong condemnation. Even the Euros are protesting loudly. But Obama won't condemn fellow Marxists.

Bush should start sending arms to Georgia. Screw the Soviets.

[Wndrtch]

When a non democracy invades a democracy, one would think there would be strong condemnation. Even the Euros are protesting loudly. But Obama won't condemn fellow Marxists.

Bush should start sending arms to Georgia. Screw the Soviets.

Russia WANTS a conflict with somebody. It's how they intend to rebuild their national image, and maybe get some pride.

[PostmodernProphet]

You think they were release on the day Reagan took office, because of tough talk????

yes, actually........

[bishop]

When a non democracy invades a democracy, one would think there would be strong condemnation. Even the Euros are protesting loudly. But Obama won't condemn fellow Marxists.

Bush should start sending arms to Georgia. Screw the Soviets.

we already are sending arms to georgia according to some of the reports out there.

the europeans aren't looking to escalate this conflict, nor are they interested to rush to georgia's aid. i see no reason why we should send arms to georgia or embroil ourselves in this affair, especially when georgia's neighbors aren't interested.

screw foreign entanglements..

[December]

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/08/09/obama-shows-weakness-in-georgia/

So Barack Obama supports Georgia? It is the case?

[Stoner]

So Barack Obama supports Georgia? It is the case?

The point of the article if you would have read it is he isn't firm enough with Russia. His remarks were weak and feable.

[IndieVisible]

The point of the article if you would have read it is he isn't firm enough with Russia. His remarks were weak and feable.

More like wishy washy!

Hillary had more balls then him. She knew how to speak to aggressors!

[IndieVisible]

Not very happy with Obama's response to Russia at all! Not what i wanted to hear.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/last-graph-mess.html

Even McCain seemed too soft for me but more stern then Obama.

In a twisted way I'm glad I am seeing this now before November. I can not support a wimp for President. He better get tougher and I mean soon. his approach to foreign affiars is waaaaay to passive for me. I'm all for diplomacy, but a leader also needs to be stern too! Damn, I hate to say this but HILLARY may have been a better candidate!

[Stoner]

I can hear it now. Every request Obama has to a foreign leader will end in, "Please, pretty please, with sugar on top."

No one takes this nutless rookie seriously.

[apdst]

You think they were release on the day Reagan took office, because of tough talk????

That's exactly what happened. It was made perfectly clear, by Carter's negotiations team, that once Reagan took office, there would be no more negotiations.

[Stoner]

That's exactly what happened. It was made perfectly clear, by Carter's negotiations team, that once Reagan took office, there would be no more negotiations.

Exactly. Reagan didn't fuck around and Iran knew that they wouldn't be dealing with a nutless fucktard anymore. A real leader was taking office and they knew Reagan meant fucking business.

[xLIBREx]

Exactly. Reagan didn't fuck around and Iran knew that they wouldn't be dealing with a nutless fucktard anymore. A real leader was taking office and they knew Reagan meant fucking business.

Let me preface this post by saying Carter was a douche for many reasons, but your Reagan man-love is a bit over the top and the credit you are giving him for the hostage release very likely should be disdain for causing the release of the hostages to be delayed for his own political gain. I'm also not really sure what you believe Reagan did in his first minutes of his presidency since the hostages were released nearly immediately after he was sworn in?

I'm also not sure how Reagan's "tough talk" against Iran led to him selling their anti-American government weapons. You might also not be aware that Reagan's campaign director and future CIA head had high level meetings with Iranian officials even though the Algiers Accord to release the hostages was all but wrapped up near the 1980 election. Funny how the Accord happened to only get signed once Reagan was sworn in. Later, when Reagan's CIA head Casey was just hours away from being forced to testify on Iran-Contra, he was deemed incapable of speech and later died of brain cancer. How lucky for Reagan.

I think in light of Iran-Contra it is highly probable that Reagan delayed the hostage release for his own political gain. Reagan was one of those presidents that said all of the right things. His platform was perfect. Unfortunately actions speak a lot louder than words and in that respect Reagan failed miserably to follow through with the conservative platform he was elected upon.

[lily]

A position of strength, would be 10,000 marines in Turkey, on the Georgian boarder!

We know Obama won't do that, not now, not ever.

I didn't know he had that power yet.

Bush comes back from Beijing gives a two minute speech in the Rose Garden and you people are upset about what Obama has to say about all of this?

[DamnYankee]

Russia WANTS a conflict with somebody. It's how they intend to rebuild their national image, and maybe get some pride.

The Soviets might as well invade Georgia BEFORE they become part of NATO. Makes sense. Why invade a country that the US has a military alliance with? The Soviets cannot take on the US, militarily, economically, nor politically.

Good timing on their part.

[DamnYankee]

we already are sending arms to georgia according to some of the reports out there.

the europeans aren't looking to escalate this conflict, nor are they interested to rush to georgia's aid. i see no reason why we should send arms to georgia or embroil ourselves in this affair, especially when georgia's neighbors aren't interested.

screw foreign entanglements..

We wouldn't be entangled in a foreign war by sending arms to Georgia. Sending arms would be heaps more than the wet noodle Euros would do.

[lily]

The Soviets might as well invade Georgia BEFORE they become part of NATO. Makes sense. Why invade a country that the US has a military alliance with? The Soviets cannot take on the US, militarily, economically, nor politically.

Good timing on their part.

While I will agree with you that Russia is no match for us militarily.......I'm not so sure about monetary. We fell into the same trap that they did when they invaded Afghanistan. You also have to remember that China is their ally.

[DamnYankee]

While I will agree with you that Russia is no match for us militarily.......I'm not so sure about monetary. We fell into the same trap that they did when they invaded Afghanistan. You also have to remember that China is their ally.

The ChiComs are looking out for themselves. They will screw the Soviets any chance they get.

They know who butters their bread. That would be the US. Don't kid yerself.

The US involvement in Afghanistan is nothing like the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan.

[IndieVisible]

Let me preface this post by saying Carter was a douche for many reasons, but your Reagan man-love is a bit over the top and the credit you are giving him for the hostage release very likely should be disdain for causing the release of the hostages to be delayed for his own political gain. I'm also not really sure what you believe Reagan did in his first minutes of his presidency since the hostages were released nearly immediately after he was sworn in?

I'm also not sure how Reagan's "tough talk" against Iran led to him selling their anti-American government weapons. You might also not be aware that Reagan's campaign director and future CIA head had high level meetings with Iranian officials even though the Algiers Accord to release the hostages was all but wrapped up near the 1980 election. Funny how the Accord happened to only get signed once Reagan was sworn in. Later, when Reagan's CIA head Casey was just hours away from being forced to testify on Iran-Contra, he was deemed incapable of speech and later died of brain cancer. How lucky for Reagan.

I think in light of Iran-Contra it is highly probable that Reagan delayed the hostage release for his own political gain. Reagan was one of those presidents that said all of the right things. His platform was perfect. Unfortunately actions speak a lot louder than words and in that respect Reagan failed miserably to follow through with the conservative platform he was elected upon.

Reagan didn't have to do any thing. Just five minutes of Reagan sent chills down those spineless coward Iranians! They knew their days were numbered. And I might add if we had a Reagan now, there would be no fucking problems in Iran or Russia. Just like dogs who can sense fear and attack, these cowards respond the same way. Show no fear, they are all bark. Show no fear and bark back and they run with their tails tucked under them.

[lily]

The ChiComs are looking out for themselves. They will screw the Soviets any chance they get.

They know who butters their bread. That would be the US. Don't kid yerself.

The US involvement in Afghanistan is nothing like the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan.


In the sense that it is bleeding us dry, I think it is the same. I also don't agree with you about China......they stood with the Russians on sanctions or any action in Iran. I can see them backing Russia, espcially if they think it is slipping back to Communism.

[xLIBREx]

Reagan didn't have to do any thing. Just five minutes of Reagan sent chills down those spineless coward Iranians! They knew their days were numbered. And I might add if we had a Reagan now, there would be no fucking problems in Iran or Russia. Just like dogs who can sense fear and attack, these cowards respond the same way. Show no fear, they are all bark. Show no fear and bark back and they run with their tails tucked under them.

That's a nice party line response, but how about trying to address the points I made? Otherwise you are simply the right wing equivalent of your average liberal zealot. You claim to be independent? Well show it.

[PostmodernProphet]

In the sense that it is bleeding us dry, I think it is the same. I also don't agree with you about China......they stood with the Russians on sanctions or any action in Iran. I can see them backing Russia, espcially if they think it is slipping back to Communism.

no, Lily....the last thing the Chinese would want is a return to an aggressive Soviet state on it's largest border.....